My main problem with Javier and his family...
Ok so how is it that we are four years into the Zombie apocalypses and they still act like they are only a week into it? I mean in four years a lone guy and stoner girl with two useless kids have not run into anything bad till now? It is just to convenient. Javier is way to "green" to how the world works now for someone who has been keeping a group of four people alive this long.
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that's actually true
Javi's family are blessed. They just probably been in areas away from cities all this time and stayed in the countryside.
That has been a consistent problem with the storytelling since Season 2, the bizarre shock and silly drama that they create due to it despite these people supposedly surviving two years and being desensitised is ridiculous.
Not to mention in their advertising, Telltale was talking as if Javier was as hardened a survivor as Clementine, and went through a lot of horrible situations as well.
I don't think it's that bad, Mariana is pretty little, and Javi probably never teached her how to kill walkers or use a gun (his fault here) and Gabe already has a gun (even in the beggining, it's in a holster on his leg), as for Javi I think he's pretty though, he can fight, he can shoot, you can make him be a total asshole and it will fit him.
I mean it could be better, the kids killing walkers and all but I don't know, I think it's been done better than Season 2 (*Cough, Sarah *Cough)
Seriously I mean some of season 2's issues was having so many characters that would have died years ago. I know they need variety but some were just daft in how chilled they were after dead people rose up and started eating people. The motor inn group seemed more fucked up after 3 months
Kenny, Jane, Nick, Rebecca maybe sarah if you buy that she repressed carver are the only ones from your group who really make sense and feel like damaged human beings after years of horror when you meet them. You could argue Luke and the rest were a bit sheltered living in a camp but still.
Season 3 its even worse
At least characters like carlos and alvin had hints of trauma these jokey weed smokers act like they are out camping
Sarah was psychologically messed up from the moment you met her added to the fact she was in a community pretty much since the outbreak in my opinion.
Still the issue of stupid survivors after even a few months really starts to stretch believability
I wonder if Gabe actually knows how to use a Gun even though he has one, Javier is definitely pretty and nice to look at and his skills are pretty awesome and anything fits him like you said -forgot to put reply instead of add comment, sorry this was in reply to @BadWolf14
Don't know, looks like it, he points it at Conrad and at Jesus
Yeah I guess so, I don't know how Carlos thought she was gonna survive in that kind of world, I mean she couldn't just stay in a house, in one place for all those years, something was bound to happen.
The issue with the stupid survivors mostly occur at children, they're too young to understand what is going on and that they need to kill to survive (Javi actually tells Mariana to run and hide if something happens so it's clear he hasn't teached her to protect herself) and also it's their parent's fault for not teaching them to survive, think what would had happened with Clementine if she was with her parents, I don't think they would have done what Lee did.
We dont know everything about them yet though, yeah they are lucky that no one died but Hector, but that doesnt mean bad things have happened. We still have flashbacks so maybe one will show something that happened to Javi and his family during the outbreak.
Mariana is also dead and Ya-Ya and Rafael
Well Mariana was also right after we got involved in the story, and Javis Mom and Dad was at the start, pretty sure op is talking about that it seems like nothing bad happened from that day up until we started playing as Javi 4 years later.
But they dont act like that though.
"I hate being the bad guy parent" is something dumb couples argue about not desperate people barely keeping ahead of a massive horde. They all sound upbeat and cheery nearly all the time. That little kid after javi found her sounded like it was christmas "I hid just like you said, my brother and step mom might be totally dead but praise me I hid"
I agree with this. But what topped the cake is that they are still in the same car. The one they had since day one. Looks like they've been camping in their car for four years straight and all has been well. Heh, Gabe, "I'm sick of being in the car! The AC hasn't worked in ages!" Please, Clem would have loved to have lived in that hot car if it meant avoiding all the shit she's seen.
its better to be scared and warm than scared and cold
It seems to me that Javier and gang have managed to avoid most of the traumatic shit that Clem and co went through. They kept to themselves and kept moving, avoiding others. In that way, he actually is a competent survivor and he managed to keep his kids as more of kids because they were protected. Or you could call it good luck, but that's the impression I'm getting. It seems like he and Kate are usually very careful about where they go and what they do, but of course you had to fuck up a little in Season 3 because otherwise you couldn't move forward with the story.
The only thing that bugs me is that they didn't more emphasize that the cozy little hideout filled with food you found was obviously somebody's and they'd probably come back to kill you.
Just look at the people of Alexandria. I mean, if Rick and co never showed up, and if Negan and the saviors avoided them. Heck, even if the Whisperers never crossed their paths. The majority of them minus those who went out on runs, and those who went out searching for survivors, would have stayed pretty green. They wouldn't have been faced with everything that those "out there" have hardened to, and adapted to. But Javier and his family have been on the road for most of the time, so I do find it pretty hard to swallow that they haven't come across "bad" people. That they would still be so "normal".
Darwinism should have more than kicked in by this point, it is completely baffling. Pete seemed competent and rational, but he was killed off almost immediately. I cannot sympathise with their shock at Kenny killing a murderer, or any of those freak outs when, like, two walkers show up (and people somehow still get overwhelmed by a single walker sometimes despite clem fighting of 3 at once at melee).
One of the reasons the time jump in Season 1 worked is because you got a real sense of the history of the location, and the experiences and stories the characters have been through up to this point, the way they all schedule breaks and patrols, how they taught the kids to stay low and get close in case of a breach of the Inn simply based on a whistle cue. The rationing schedule, the discussions of the past 3 months. Mark in particular was extremely valuable in helping give depth to what the group had been through.
We know absolutely nothing about what Christa, Omid, and Clementine had been doing, and (somehow) even less about Javier's family, it just doesn't make sense at this point.
In a real world zombie apocalypse, there is no way people would conflict this much with each other, by four years in, there definitely would be stable communities built up, and people would have realised killing each other and having gunfights due to stupid short term supplies or out of spite, would have far more consequences than benefits. (Destroying Wellington is utterly moronic).
Last Of Us, which I haven't played, seems more practical in that the military didn't just randomly vanish, there are communities set up that have strict schedules, patrols, rationing, and work, and are no doubt difficult places to live in, but they work, and people are still alive due to it.
There is no way, four years in, people are still dumb enough to have firefights for almost no reason, when cooperation is completely practical in almost all of these situations.
The fact you, as Javier, can't explain that you didn't realise the location wasn't abandoned, and are forced to fight them no matter what, is so frustrating. It is the exact same problem I had with Michonne, where you are forced to side with a teenage girl you know absolutely nothing about. And can't explain rationally that you just met her (Norma completely ignores that dialogue choice).
Also, is anyone confused how so many people are still alive when, in all the stories, we see almost every character introduced die in some way?
It seems far to convenient that so many people figured out how to survive this long, but then only die in moronic ways when the "main character" meets them.
So lets say he managed to avoid any serious trouble for around quite a few years now since ZA begun by just keeping to himself and getting lucky. Problem is would the people he ran into throughout all those years just allow him and his family to keep to themselves without any hassle? ZA doesn't really work like that from what i've seen. And then another strange thing is that after years of staying out of trouble, his luck just happens to take a drastic turn for the worse right around the time he meets Clementine? It's like Clementine is cursed or something lmao.
Maybe their brains got zapped 4 years into the future as well
I'd argue that the relative well-adjusted nature of Javi and his family benefited their survival. Kenny and Jane, for all their survivalist talk, were extremely emotional people who made decisions based on how they felt. Kenny in particular was pretty much all rage and heart, and even Jane was making decisions in Episode 5 because she didn't want to be alone anymore. Jane even outright begs Clem to stay if you decide to leave, stating that she can't do this alone.
Gabe acts the way he does because of puberty, but even when he storms off, he was careful to sit too high for the walkers. But you can't just will all the emotions and hormones puberty causes away, and Carl often acts similar. Carl is still making bad decisions in the comics now. Clementine killed Eli because she failed very basic gun safety, and you can bet her age and immaturity played a role in that. Had she been anyone else, players would call for her blood for that scene.
Yes, Kate (and Javi) smoke sometimes. Other characters in Season One and Two drink hard alcohol (including Lee and a pregnant Christa). But Kate is capable of analyzing herd movements. She is completely distrustful of the idea of staying at the junkyard. because it might indeed be someone's stuff.
Javi and the group are aware of how dangerous other survivors can be, and Javi shows little to no concern with killing people who prove to be a threat. Look at how coldly he kills Conrad; a man that has been humanized to him. His dialogue following that is to comfort Gabe, but nothing shows that Javi himself is distraught, perhaps beyond Gabe being threatened.
In addition, the van has clearly been through hell. Many of the windows are boarded up, it is rusted and dented and has a huge blood stain. Javier and Kate also note that they've been on the road "a while", not the entire time, and Gabriel lamenting that he likes being with other people suggests that they have been in groups before. Either those groups died, or they left.
This was a point where I stopped caring even more. It was just pure forced conflict, no option to say this is just ridiculous. The walking dead always has this idea that two people have the most extreme view and then another extreme view back. There is no compromise.
Though this isnt new kenny allowing lee to die twice based off one decision was always absolutely ridiculous to me
I'd think that maybe they've encountered shits like bandits before but managed to "charm" their way out like Kate said. You can call it lucky, or unbelievable but it's possible. I think that four of them mostly played safe, anything that could get them food and supplies with lowest risks. They may have stayed in some community/town for a few months, and moved on to another, not wanting to overstay their welcome. They've probably escaped an overtaking and or overrun of the town they were staying by bandits and walkers. Like Clem said, it's impressive for Javi's group to survive that long. So, the saying that Javi's a hardened survivor is really not a stretch.
Wtf? Are you referencing some of the earlier predictions about her or something?
This made my day.
I read that too, and I was like, "Oh no."
I interpreted as that she "repressed carver". Repressing a person doesn't make sense. Repressing a memory does, however.
That means he is saying that she has a repressed memory of carver. I don't want to continue on to what I think it could be about.
It's quite possible for Javi and Co. to still be something less than hardened survivors who lost any traces of positivity. The US is a big place. There's probably places that are relatively free of people and Walkers.
Any idiot with a finger can shoot, the trick is to do it properly.
Javi have been through some stuff. He puts out his dad at the start of the game ,loses his mom, and uncle. But compared to Clem, he's lucky.
"Oh no! I can't remember him! I can't! He'll come back to life if I do!"
I'm sorry, I just had to make that reference.
Clueless me is clueless
It's an unfair world and there are people out there that just get way more luck then others and yes that luck can last up to 4 years then out of no where it all just drops like a rock tossed over a water fall.
The Will of Clem dictates we shall always look after Clementine no matter the character or reason.
Kingdom Hearts II.
And so it begins.
The crusade of the Clemers. Holy be The Will of Clem!
"Clem? i think I know him? , He cant see me!"
I know sarah isnt the brightest character but ive always found the way she acts around carver like shes never met him is very strange. Her repressing any memories of him is the only thing that really made sense to me
Oh, yeah. I never thought of it like that before, oddly enough. I just thought that was either suspiciously specific denial(which she also seems to do with Carlos) or just part of her weird perception of things at times.
I still can't believe that that-gay-guy-on-the-bridge was just used for shock value and Nick's character development instead going further with the consequences...
...I sometimes wish we remade this whole game...
This is why I think a season 4 with all new characters again won't work. By then we will be, what? 5-6 years into the apocalypse? And it will be the same thing all over again but even worse.
My favorite part was definitely right at the start when they found the trailer in the junkyard and somehow didn't manage to put two and two together and come to the conclusion that someone definitely lived there. The fact that Javier is the one who seems so oblivious in that moment (besides the kids) is really frustrating. "This place does have a funny feeling about it." Jesus Christ, Javi...
Not only that but there are several times when you encounter a walker, and Javier seems frighten/surprised and even gasps like he never saw them before. In those moments I was like "ok, calm down, it's just one lousy walker, why are you shitting your pants?". And then he suddenly changes his face and posture and goes into badass mode. It seems weird and out of place. Not really sure what Telltale was thinking there.