Do you think Clementine was forced in this series?
Ik this thread has been done before, but anyways do you think they only added Clementine to get buyers from the original fanbase? it seems like more thought was put into Javier and the New Frontier than in Clementine.
Was Clementine a last minute addition?
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I wouldn't say a last minute addition, but she definitely doesn't seem to be the focus of the season. She's just an addition. By that, I mean they seemingly made a plot for Javier which was the focus, then made a separate plot for Clementine, and tried to 'merge' them together the best they could.
It really makes me question how TellTale approached the role of Javier as well as what their plans are for a potential Season 4.
Are they going to kill Javier off? Nice meme. Way to reinforce the 'every one dies' theme by killing off another protagonist.
Are they going to just remove him from Season 4 and keep him exclusive to Season 3? What was the point of introducing him in the first place then? For the sake of Clementine's character development? Why is she so disconnected from Javier's plot and generally not really the focus of the Season?
Are they planning to have him as the main character for Season 4? That's unnecessarily risky and banking on the fact that people are okay with Clementine taking a back seat to whatever plot is being prepared for Javi.
I don't think this perception that Clementine was a 'last minute addition' comes from the fact that there's more focus on Javier. I think it's just that TellTale have no idea what to do with Clementine other than try and tie her in with the story of another character. Because really, at the moment she doesn't really have a story or motivation in Season 3. She cares about AJ. And apparently hates The New Frontier for reasons. And apparently doesn't want to be alone anymore and misses other people.
And while that is more development than basically any other character's gotten in Season 3, it's still off because we're seeing her story revealed to us in segments. Really small, three minute, bite sized segments.
I think you mean "forced into this season/installment" and a little.
yea i do believe she was forced to be in here cause so many like clem and they did not want to upset there fan base and that i believe was the only reason clem was in this one i think originally she wasn't going to be in it which over all would of been a bad move
plus without her you really couldnt move the story forward so at best at that point would be to force her in to move the story forward or reboot it or make anther spin off story
but over all i think she was just there cause of the clem fans and thats it but the way they did this it feels like a spin off with clem making a guest appearance
a true season 3 would of been to continue it with clem and had javier as the side character
I doubt Clem was added in last minute, but she is handled pretty badly.
I feel like Telltale wanted to include Clem, but they didnt really know how. Im sure they always wanted to add her but, I feel like something happened in season 3's development, because right now it feels like she doesn't really belong in the story at all.
Oh she was definetly forced into this season which sucks. This season is great so far, but would be better if it just focused on Javi.
Clementine was always going to be in the game so no it's not forced. It was Javier that was added to the story.
That's actually true, this is Clem's story, and they forced us into Javier's shoes where we don't even care about his family (a few do, but most of us aren't nearly invested enough, plus Kate/Gabe irks a lot of the community on how they act 5 years into the apocalypse).
Well that's not what I meant. It is still Javier's story, I think he's a great character and I care about him and his family. I just meant that there's no way that Clem was forced into it.
Well, even if you didn't mean that, it opened my eyes a little on how forced it was. We didn't even build much relationships with them, they give us some mini-introduction and we're supposed to care for them unconditionally, yet I'd rather side with Clem anyways as I don't see myself from Javier's view of caring for his family, it's quite the disconnect actually. I still like Javier as a character (and Tripp as an honorable mention), but I don't know why I'm expected to care for his family already, especially when they're incompetent 5 years into the apocalypse (e.g. Gabe hasn't even killed one walker so far; no survival skills 5 years in, and Kate smokes weed while running into bullets for an obvious dead Mariana body on the ground).
It's like robbing someone house and then complaining why he defense himself.
People wanted a continuation for Clem's story, but they forced us on a new character story.
So if there is someone who is forced into the story, it would be Javi, because Clem is in the story from day 1 and it's all about her from the first season.
I think it started by their multiple endings in season 2 that put them in a sticky situation as to how to move forward.They knew they couldn't continue the story because with so many endings, it would be far to complicated because of how many endings. They were able to to do with season 2 because season 1 had only one ending with Clementine being by herself. They decided to make a new story because that was easier then trying to make a sequel to season 2. They most likely wanted to have Javiers story but knew that Clementine is cash, so added her in and told the fans "Hey guess what? Clementine and Javier will be duel player characters" But in reality, Clementine is only played through flashbacks, not the actually game, They never actually said it was going to be like borderlands, it was the fans who assumed it was. She's more a side character now, her rank in all 3 seasons has changed a lot. Season 1 she was the main non player character, season 2 she was the player character and now she is a supporting character, just to fit her in the game but base it on Javier and his story.
I find it stupid how people claim it's about her, Season 3 is not about her, it's about Javier, they can't accept that telltale is moving onto a new character, because it always has to be about Clementine to them.
It kinda feels that way, but with 3 more episodes to go it's too early to tell. I think they knew they wanted to do something with her in ANF so as to not lose a good deal of fans interested in continuing her story, but also wanted to expand and were left in a position where they're trying to find a balance for the fan favorite major character of the first two games while also trying to catch up a new character on 2 games and 4 years of history. It's definitely been a rocky start trying to give the new story as much weight as the continuing story, but given the lopsided nature of the players decisions in the first two episodes and fan response, they may be looking to hit more of a balance now that we've got Javier established in the first two episodes.
I feel it's the other way around. Javier is the one forced into the story.
As a supporting character, no. But as a playable character, incredibly so.
To get fans of the previous seasons to keep buying their game? Yep. Take her out and we get a really short story with less quality.