Its all clem's fault
when javier was in the truck with the guy hostage clem knocked the tree down if she didn't do that the guy was driving him to richmond where javier would have found his brother sooner so mariana is dead and francine is dead everyone in prescott dead all could be alive still if she didnt stop the truck tell me your thoughts
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Rufus never said they were going to Richmond, nor is it Clementine's fault they got triggered over two puddings being eaten.
jesus said ep 2 new frontier took over richmond so he was driving him to meet the boss for his punishment
Mariana and Kate and Gabe would be dead if Clem had not done what she did. Consider that the trip was going to be long...consider that when Javi went before justice...the NF may have a court system set up that David does not participate in. Javi may have had to cool his heels in jail in New Richmond for a day or 2 before court. In that time ..Badger would have found them...killed Gabe...probably had his fun with Kate and Mariana..then killed them. Clementine is a god damned hero.
That is a good point there they were traveling all night
Even then, we don't know if New Frontier has other bases, we just know Richmond is one.
That's fucking sick, even a 10 year old? If I'm not misinterpreting that implication, that's disgusting, but Clem was in there and probably didn't get raped so they'd probably just shoot them all or take them back as hostage.
Badger strikes me as that type of guy...he willfully murdered everyone in Prescott without orders from New Richmond...
To will_c, I honestly don't understand why you blame Clementine for knocking down the tree. Did you pay attention? She only did it to get the truck. She's looking for any vehicle to drive away. Also, as Kennyshouladiedins1 said, if it wasn't for her, Javier would've been too late to save Kate, Gabe and Mariana. Though I do feel bad that Mariana got killed anyway but again, it's not Clementine's fault. And as the story goes on, it looks like Javier was gonna find his brother anyway, it was easily predictable to me.
Rufus never said he was going to take him to Richmond so your point is invalid.
I suppose that is a way of looking at it. After all, we're not told of any other New Frontier bases that would be appropriate for dealing "justice" to Javier, Max is later seen leading the guard at Richmond, and the chance of David at least seeing him from afar and at least stopping him to say hi is relatively high. Still though, Badger is a loose cannon and it's Kate or Gabe may have been discovered if his chapter approached the junkyard before Javier and David/Max possibly returned.
No, if it's anyone's fault it's Javier's. It isn't though, so it ain't fair to blame anyone.
yes but he did say you are lucky we do things a certin way meaning he is taking him to see the boss who is in richmond
dont get me wrong i love clem im just sayin rufus was driving him to richmond rufus said your luckey we do things a sertin way meaning he was taking him to the boss who is at richmond
Just wanted to link you my ridiculous post where I blame Clementine for every wrongdoing in ANF:
The ridiculous post
By the way don't blame me for not fixing the format, grammar, and arguments; It won't allow me to update the post.
In a realistic nature allocating blame like this is poor detective work.
So you're blaming Clementine for everything she HASN'T DONE!!!!
No. Its not. BEcause Clem he didn t know if he brother is on the new frontier
look i love my clem im just saying if she never knocked the tree down things might have went better
Then why blame her? And for all we know, the boss probably wasn't at Richmond yet. Or what if there's more than one bosses? If there's different bases, there's bound to be different type of bosses.
there is always one boss in groups in the walking dead and all we know is they took over richmond mabie there other place got overrun by walkers
Doesn't stop Negan in TV series and comic series for having more than one places. Though that's about it as far as I know. But anyway, I'm sure there's more than one places, we still don't know if 'A New Frontier' is as big as Saviors are. If the Walkers do overrun one place, the group could easily go to their other base as their back-up.
Overall, Clementine isn't to blame. If anything, it happens and there's not much else to do about it. And regardless of what happened, Javier found his brother anyway which again, it was predictable, I knew Javier was gonna end up finding his brother anyway, just didn't expect him to be the leader of New Frontier. With that, I believe there's gonna be a fallout between them, possibly depending on what you do as Javier in the past actions and fighting over Kate (Who is still considered David's wife). That's all I gotta say now.
Or they might have went worse. You have no way of knowing. You're trying to blame a chain reaction on a single character. What if I told you that it's actually Mariana's and Gabe's fault for eating the pudding?
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Lmao The way I read this out loud killed me. But yeah, Clementine has a habit of causing a lot of trouble, that's my little girl though!
Ahah, thank you. Here's a smiling Clementine.
fair point
i know i love that girl too
Looks like I was right. A New Frontier had four bosses as explained in Episode 3: Above The Law.
I blame clementine who (unintentionally) caused Lee's death and (Determinant) Ben's death. And the reason the boat was stolen and the group was disassembled. I know this is S1, but it seems none ever acknowledges or addresses this.
Lol I like how when Ben gets a bunch of people killed (Indirectly had no way of knowing) but when Clementine does people come up with excuses for it.
Well, Clementine sort of got kidnapped, its not like she had a choice, by that logic you can blame every car accident in existance on the person who invented cars, sure, its technically true, but it doesnt really make sense to blame them
If you shoot Rufus in episode 1, It is explained that Rufus intended to bring Javi to Richmond.
She willingly left on her own to the stranger. He didn't come to the house and kidnap her against her will. Granted she didn't understand what she did it doesn't excuse the fact people died and the group was disbanded from it.
Max said they were
Max could have been lying, he's pretty slimy
Actually, Clementine can tell Luke that she ran away and got Lee killed and that people die because of her.
Have you played episode 3? That seems perfectly in character for Badger.
actually, that's exactly what he did.
there's a line in season 2 that supports that he kidnapped her.
He probably called her on the radio, said he had her parents outside or something. She probably went out to meet him, maybe he coaxed her over the gate or something then he snatched her and gagged her so she couldn't call for help