Is the Ending to Episode 2 too Predictable/Unrealistic? SPOILERS
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Am I the only one who feels like the ending to Episode 2 was too predictable and unrealistic?
For starters, the second David went off screen with their mother, I asked myself where he went. Second, this is the most obvious thing they could do in terms of a plot twist. It's a great one, but I'm strangely disappointed... Intrigued as to where it will go, but also disappointed since realistically it seems far-fetched to me? Not that David's the leader, cause he seems strangely abusive to Javier and Kate and this group seems right up his alley, but the fact that he survived on his own and the whole family just happened to make it until this point in the apocalypse? I remember he was a member of the military which helps his case, but the odds there just seem weird. I don't see how that's possible. If we're talking in terms of TWD world as a whole, even Rick's group didn't entirely make it by the time Jesus entered the picture.
Thoughts?
Comments
I think it's less strange that they all survived and Davids leading a group, and more strange that they all survived and Davids leading the random group his family has had violent encounters with so far from where they started in Florida. He just happens to have settled down in the same state Javiers traveling through in his mystery band with his incredibly unskilled family? That's quite a reach.
A bit odd to call it predictable AND Unrealistic. If it seemed unrealistic why would you predict it?
Anyway realism has never been an issue with me. I tend to just enjoy the story and not nitpick every little thing. As for the twist I didn't see it coming and rather enjoyed it. I was actually expecting someone from Clementine's past, not Javier's. As for predictability, I don't see how anyone could see it coming, I saw nothing to suggest that David would make a surprise return as the leader of TNF.
I don't really mind that they meet David again. If you look at Episode 1 and Episode 2 as a single cohesive story, then reuniting with David again has a better narrative flow to it. It just brings the whole thing circle again. And it just shows how much Javier and David has changed over the course of four years.
Depends on what do you mean by 'whole group'. If I remember correctly David's daughter died , so they aren't whole anymore (which will be interesting to see how David will react to the news).
I didn't expect David to still be alive, but unexpected reunions tend to happen in TWD universe.
Well I didn't call it by any means. But the reveal did nothing for me either, I wasn't shocked or anything. I just took it in stride.
See if this was season 1 I may be tempted to say "don't let realism get in the way of a good story" but... season 3 being what it is, the jury is still out on the good story bit of that equation.
Honestly it depends on how much realism matters to you and how much a game can get away with in this regard. Realistic or not, when David finds out about his daughter, shit is going to hit the fan so the story is going to get juicy.
Its predictable because people have told stories for so many years now, and writers have realized what makes for interesting stories (personal investment, such as your brother being the leader of an "evil" group), and its quite easy to put things into categories, and so many movies and games have been made, that it gets quite easy (if you spend the time thinking about it) to predict whats gonna happen.
Its unrealistic because the chance of Javier and David being at the same place, and meeting under those circumstances are very miniscule.
Now, I did not predict David being there either, because like you, I just enjoy the story, and overthinking things and trying to predict things tend to ruin immersion, and also makes the story less enjoyable, but it can be quite easy (if you try) to predict such things, since twists like that have been made since the beginning of story telling, because they make more interesting and personal stories than "oh no, this random guy is the leader of the New Frontier"
Unexpected reunions is used pretty often in storytelling in general as a way to make stories more interesting, it happens in Mass Effect, it happens in The Witcher games, personally I dont mind unexpected reunions, even if theyre slightly (or very) unrealistic, as it makes the story more interesting than some random guy being the New Frontier leader
I dont mind realism being thrown out in cases like this where its somewhat feasable that it could happen somehow, since I tend to just enjoy the story, and not think about such things, since they tend to make the story less enjoyable for me, obviously if Javier gets super powers and start flying around killing everybody, thats dumb and have no place in the game, but things that can happen, though unlikely, and arent completely stupid, but makes a good addition to the story, I dont mind, since realism can go in the way of telling a good story
It did seem very predictable comsidering how much David was in the episodes and mentioned not including the whole Javi-Kate-David Love Triangle drama story telltale is doing. I'm certainly interested as to what telltale does with david and his involvement to the story and characters. I certainly hope he just isnt there to push this undeeded love triangle story and have a generic "bad leader" character.
Unrealistic? Hell yeah. But you should remember that TWD is about dead people coming back to life so it was never realistic in the first place. Predictable? I wouldn't say so. I didn't see that coming, actually.
Yes, but I'm talking in terms of this long in the game, after the time lapse in Episode 1, they all survived until this point and David's alive and his group just happens to be the one that kills his own daughter.
Agreed.
Because at first it has to be predictable. Once it's predicted and turns out to be the correct plot twist, then you can debate as to whether or not it's unrealistic. To me, it's both.
I usually don't nitpick, I'm just surprised that they've gone this route with the story. I never would have expected someone from Clementine's past since they're all dead or gone.
The reason I saw it coming was they never showed David again, but they kept showing flashbacks with him in it, meaning that there had to be a reason why as to why David was so important this whole time. They even did one in Episode 2. If there wasn't something crucial about his character, they would have dropped him after Episode 1.
My guess is he'll become the new villain for the season. You'll have the choice to either comply with the group and completely invest in what they're doing or go against it and start a sort of war...
Not like any of these choices will matter in the long run if there's another season since it didn't matter what you chose at the end of last season either.
I don't mind it to be honest, because whereas Kenny's return in A House Divided was totally spoiled by the "Next Time" from the previous episode this one had no buildup so it was legitimately unpredictable and can lead to some good interactions/controversies if TellTale plays their cards right.
Hell, it took a quite bit to even realize who he even was.
Yea, I was kind of underwhelmed by the reveal. The insane lack of logic aside, this is a guy who's gotten slightly more screen time than everyone who died in the short opening flashback. I sat there with a blank look while they made a big drama out of revealing his face, then said "oh" when Gabe called him dad.
Was he even mentioned in Episode 2?
David? Briefly, around the beginning.
"I'm gonna be tough, like my dad."
"It should have been you, Gabe."
My memory might be fuzzy on the reply, there.
Oh yeah, you're right. For some reason, I just thought that was still in Part 1.
Ya don't say.
Yeah I think the reason they released two episodes at once was not as a reward to the Telltale fans, but just so everyone wouldn't predict it coming by the time episode two came out.
Well, let's think of it in another way: they tell us their story because of this twist(and because Clementine happened to bump into Javier). If it wasn't something interesting to tell then it would be redundant. The group meeting David again seems unlikely, but not impossible.
To be honest I thought the flashbacks were there only to realise Javier and David's wife were flirting before the whole apocalypse happened.
Yes, that goes without saying
) And sometimes it feels nice to see old characters again. It makes the investment in the story worth it.