'Bury Me Here' Episode Discussion

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  • also kinda call bullshit how the kingdom people just let morgan kill him and didnt even try to stop him. why? whatever.

    Think I heard one of the Saviors telling them not to interfere, so Ezekiel and others couldn't intervene.

    jamex1223 posted: »

    loved this episode. only thing that i didnt love what that bullshit they did when they shot Ben. cmon now, enough of that shock shit. no i d

  • One of the best episodes of this season for me. The pacing was just right and not unnecessarily slow at times for me, the interactions were great, it had a lot of build up and finally triggered multiple butterfly effects (Morgan, Ezekial, Carol and wanting to go to war), not only that-- the character development was just right.

    Seeing Morgan losing it was concerning cause he is very dangerous back when he met that guy in the woods (forgot his name), a lot of nice call backs of his life and he's now stone cold after losing another close friend, Ben (total Kenny moment btw.). I'm interested to see if it's full "clear" Morgan, or a mix of both paths he went through. Also, really liked how he was silently intense after discovering Richard's deceit up to the latest deal. Spoke a lot words without saying anything.

    I'm glad Carol finally learns the truth now, when things are calm, because I felt if she learned when the saviors were in the Kingdom it wouldn't have went well. Good to see her going back in action though (also, seeing Morgan and her switch places to stay is kinda neat.)

    Finally, Ezekiel going to war. Only it happened too late. As for Richard, big episode for him. I understood why he went through with the plan but it didn't go as planned, he didn't think of possible outcomes and that's what caused the following events. I thought he would get a redemption arc but what Morgan did to him, quite the opposite. Which is okay, since redemption doesn't always have to happen in stories. Finally Gavin gets a little redemption point for threatening Jared and telling him to fuck off. lmao

    RIP Benjamin. Fuck "Fuck-face" Jared.

  • Morgan is the worst character ever

    WTF how have these people survived for so long. Are all those guys with weapons kidding me standing there while he chokes one of your people to death.

    The saviours in the show are ridiculously evil

    Wow it only took 13 full episodes for carol to learn about glenn dying

    Poor scraggly long haired kid who should have died long ago, Him holding a gun was the one funny part of the episode.

    How is that long haired saviour still alive, someone would have shot the idiot a long tine ago.

  • really? oh ok, that makes sense then. so still 9/10, great episode.

    also kinda call bullshit how the kingdom people just let morgan kill him and didnt even try to stop him. why? whatever. Think I heard one of the Saviors telling them not to interfere, so Ezekiel and others couldn't intervene.

  • I thought I was going to get old before I see a good episode of The Walking Dead again, but I'm glad I was wrong. This episode was great, but the bad thing is that it was too predictable.

    The moment when that Savior said that the delivery was not full, I told my brother "It was Richard's fault, and Benjamin is going to die". And that happened.

    Its a little sad that the show can't surprise me anymore, but the episode itself was very good and the best since 7x01.

    Now it is Telltale's turn to do an amazing episode (I hope they do)

  • Richard did nothing wrong.
    I hope Morgan finally stops being a pacifist idiot.

  • Honestly, Morgan and Carol are becoming two of the best things this season for me. In some dark, twisted way, I think Carol's finally starting to respect him as a survivor, even if it took Morgan to finally start killing again for it to happen. Then again, with her asking him to stay, maybe she's starting to realize that he could be starting to go through a similar path that she did.

    But Morgan, man... He friggin' killed it this episode, no pun intended. After forcing himself to follow that guy's teachings for so long, I was wondering if he'd ever revert back somewhat. This definitely put that doubt to bed, that's for sure. I liked the transition he made, too; going from that pacifist role to basically having a relapse of the PTSD he got after losing all his family. I guess the guy was hanging on by a thread all along.

    I'm loving Ezekiel more and more whenever he appears. The Kingdom itself is such a cool place to see on screen, with some pretty awesome characters to boot (especially Jerry - he's the man xD). But Ezekiel's finally starting to realize that they can't just sit there and let the Saviors screw them over anymore, not when they've killed one of their own.

    All in all, I think this was the best episode they've had in a while. Perfect blend of action, drama and character development - something I hope will continue into the later episodes. Things are finally starting to come together, it seems.

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    Slow, boring start but solid recovery in the middle and end. 7/10. So that's a garbage Rick ep sandwiched between a great ep and a solid ep, both not involiving Rick. Further evidence to me that the show don't need him anymore. Hopefully my fellow WD fan's are starting to wake up and see it. Had to laugh at that gimp that was acting all tough about how they were going to "deal with it" , then when that guy did do something to deal with it by shooting the kid, he started getting all emotional. Hopefully the rejuvinated psychotic, badass Morgan ends up killing him later.

  • What? Morgan is the best.

    Morgan is the worst character ever WTF how have these people survived for so long. Are all those guys with weapons kidding me standing th

  • edited March 2017

    Recently it's felt like a chore to watch the walking dead. Changing stuff from the comic and some pretty poor writing for some characters is really annoying me... Sasha and Rosita are both poorly written and acted, next week might have them in it and im not prepared. I want more Rick, Carl + Hilltop. But NOT Rick in shitty situations like the prev episode, but actaully planning more towards what they want to do, not repeating the same conversation over and over with michonne "We are the ones who live" or something or other but they keep hoovering over it.

    But last night's episode was pretty good. Well... a few exceptions..

    Mainly Morgan's sudden change, and the predicatable death of the kid to motivate Ezekiel into joining Rick. Oh and the obvious return of Carol once she found out but now is suddenly ok with killing again now too. Are the writers even looking at their logic?

  • Plus WHY KILL RICHARD?!? He could of taken at least five saviours with him in the war. Where's the logic writers??

    Megumin posted: »

    Recently it's felt like a chore to watch the walking dead. Changing stuff from the comic and some pretty poor writing for some characters is

  • Why? I mean i get you liked the goody goody he turned into but now hes back to murdering people and being crazy again

    KCohere posted: »

    What? Morgan is the best.

  • Subtle how? It seemed pretty on the nose to me.

    Wow talk about symbolic actions. Morgan whittling his stick into a spear. That's a subtle yet powerful image.

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    I agree it wasnt subtle at all however for the walking dead it is. I mean usually they would have morgan directly tell carol or somebody

    "Im sharpening this stick for war"

    I mean look at the whole richard thing, they had to have not only richard tell morgan but also exactly why he did it and what his plan was even though it was pretty obvious.

    Flog61 posted: »

    Subtle how? It seemed pretty on the nose to me.

  • Low key, Richard could've probably been a really cool character... He didn't really deserve to die either. I mean, in the end he didn't want anyone to get hurt (except himself and the saviors), he even said that Benjamin's death is something he'll have to live with. Oh well, everyone dies in the walking dead...

  • How was that shock? Without that, Morgan wouldn't change and Ratface wouldn't push them into war.

    jamex1223 posted: »

    loved this episode. only thing that i didnt love what that bullshit they did when they shot Ben. cmon now, enough of that shock shit. no i d

  • Morgan is great, and the show Saviours are far more nuanced than the comic Saviours. Dwight, Gavin, Laura etc. are not evil.

    Morgan is the worst character ever WTF how have these people survived for so long. Are all those guys with weapons kidding me standing th

  • That's a character arc

    Why? I mean i get you liked the goody goody he turned into but now hes back to murdering people and being crazy again

  • Slow and boring? Wow. Also, I hope your Rick comment is a joke because it sounds it. If you found the Gavin scene funny, I'm confused as to why you watch it.

    wdfan posted: »

    Slow, boring start but solid recovery in the middle and end. 7/10. So that's a garbage Rick ep sandwiched between a great ep and a solid ep,

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    Morgan's change was fast because that's PTSD, it can be triggered easily. Carol has taken a season and a half to get back to wanting to fight, it was built up. For Richard, I don't know why you think PTSD rage Morgan would be using logic in that scene.

    Megumin posted: »

    Recently it's felt like a chore to watch the walking dead. Changing stuff from the comic and some pretty poor writing for some characters is

  • Yea, no. Rick is TWD, and no, fans of the show aren't starting to see that the main character isn't needed. I'm extremely interested in seeing Ricks reaction to what's transpired and him leading the communities against Negan.

    wdfan posted: »

    Slow, boring start but solid recovery in the middle and end. 7/10. So that's a garbage Rick ep sandwiched between a great ep and a solid ep,

  • edited March 2017

    It wasn't really the scene itself that was funny, just the guy's nonsensical flip flopping, acting tough and ruthless one second and regretful the next. I haven't really been keeping up that much though and only got back into the show a few eps ago (missed most of the 2nd half of season 6 bar the finale) so there might be a good reason why he was acting like that. And the Rick comment is no joke. That's 2 eps I enjoyed that didn't involve him right in between one involving him which was quite frankly shit. He's one of the main reasons I stopped watching for a while.

    Kryik posted: »

    Slow and boring? Wow. Also, I hope your Rick comment is a joke because it sounds it. If you found the Gavin scene funny, I'm confused as to why you watch it.

  • Morgan went full on rage mode. Damn, I got this bad feeling he's not making it, and I really like Morgan. Lennie James has been fantastic in every episode he's appeared in.

  • I liked it tbh, throughout this season it's been established he's only following orders, and isn't a fan of what he has to do. He has to be a dick to the Kingdom in the sense that he needs them to follow the rules, but it was Richard who was supposed to be shot. He'd warned them two visits prior that if trouble started, Richard pays. Ben being shot complicates things, and he probably didn't like a kid who didn't do a thing being killed either. To the Saviours, Richard had it coming. Showed more nuance to the Saviours imo. You should catch up on the eps you missed last season, there's some great ones

    wdfan posted: »

    It wasn't really the scene itself that was funny, just the guy's nonsensical flip flopping, acting tough and ruthless one second and regretf

  • I just don't want Morgan to go "clear" again. I loved that man, then hated him, now loved him again but I'm starting to hate him again.

  • Being pacifist is not so bad even in a world like that if you can defend yourself, even if I don't agree on being pacifist in The Walking Dead universe I believe it's billion times better than the "clear" version of Morgan.

    Bogglefuzz posted: »

    Richard did nothing wrong. I hope Morgan finally stops being a pacifist idiot.

  • Ive liked Morgan from the first scene he was in and continue to, even when he is acting crazy. I think that I understand his struggling with his losing his sanity after his son died, and then trying to come back from that after befriending Eastman. So, I applauded him sticking to his guns on the nonviolence, or what you dismiss as him being "goody goody". He's the only one that was trying to give some kind of new perspective when everyone else is kill first, ask questions later. And now that he has lost a kind of surrogate son and had more or less snapped, because he sees how senseless trying to keep peace is when a boy can be murdered over a melon, I feel like I still understand where he is coming from, even if I am worried for him. So yeah, I love him as a character because he's very complex and tragic in some ways, but he still has a very strong character that I admire.

    Why? I mean i get you liked the goody goody he turned into but now hes back to murdering people and being crazy again

  • Did you start hating him when he stopped killing?

    I just don't want Morgan to go "clear" again. I loved that man, then hated him, now loved him again but I'm starting to hate him again.

  • he lived with it for the rest of his life.

    Low key, Richard could've probably been a really cool character... He didn't really deserve to die either. I mean, in the end he didn't want

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    The woods guy was Eastman.

    One of the best episodes of this season for me. The pacing was just right and not unnecessarily slow at times for me, the interactions were

  • Richards sudden death didn't surprise you?

    I thought I was going to get old before I see a good episode of The Walking Dead again, but I'm glad I was wrong. This episode was great, bu

  • edited March 2017

    Very well said KCohere. But I think you might be wasting your breath here. Firewallcano is incredibly pessimistic and negative when it comes to this show or at the very least VERY harshly critical. I think its impossible to convince him there's anything good this season even if there IS a lot of really good things. And I blame that mostly on him telling me he hated the following 4-5 storylines in which the show will be based on and him already hating the show ever since season 5B as far as I can tell. I have tried to say things similar to what you have about many things, though I will admit sometimes very, very poorly with just things like 'it's deep', 'it's good', exc. But even when people like you make arguments like this he just doesn't answer, so I've just given up on convincing him. Better to let him have his opinion than argue pointlessly. Who knows maybe his way to enjoy the show is to riff on it.

    Anyway Awesome comment. Have a good day.

    KCohere posted: »

    Ive liked Morgan from the first scene he was in and continue to, even when he is acting crazy. I think that I understand his struggling with

  • I didn't agree to his methods but I didn't hated him either, I'm a pacifist myself. The reason that I didn't agreed with him is because of The Walking Dead universe, but it's still better than the "Kill everything/everyone on your sight" rule.

    KCohere posted: »

    Did you start hating him when he stopped killing?

  • "Shit, I thought that was Danny. Whatever."

    lol I completely forgot his name since it's been a while that I watched it.

    Lord_EAA posted: »

    The woods guy was Eastman.

  • Aww thanks. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind though. He asked me why I like Morgan and I told him. I don't think a lot of fans put much effort into trying to understand the characters and that's why they judge them so harshly. But I love these characters and the show. I know most of the people on this board don't care for the show, that's fine. Ive been there since day one and I'm staying until the end.

    Lord_EAA posted: »

    Very well said KCohere. But I think you might be wasting your breath here. Firewallcano is incredibly pessimistic and negative when it comes

  • What do you think of him in full rage mode now? I'm afraid he's going to get himself hurt.

    I didn't agree to his methods but I didn't hated him either, I'm a pacifist myself. The reason that I didn't agreed with him is because of The Walking Dead universe, but it's still better than the "Kill everything/everyone on your sight" rule.

  • I fully agree with what you said here.

    KCohere posted: »

    Aww thanks. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind though. He asked me why I like Morgan and I told him. I don't think a lot of fans put muc

  • We need at least one more episode to answer that question.

    KCohere posted: »

    What do you think of him in full rage mode now? I'm afraid he's going to get himself hurt.

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