No. Some people say suicide is coward, or weak. The person that commits suicide is delicate, they just couldn't take all the pain, they just wanted to go to sleep. I can't blame her.
Well, there's no one else to blame for it. She made a decision, no one forced a rope around her neck, to leave two defenceless children on their own. It was selfish, pure and simple, and something that truly puts into question how much Jane actually cared for Clementine.
Now that I think of it, it would have been a better ending if she died protecting AJ and Clementine from walkers. But I didn't cared much for her anyway.
Now that I think of it, it would have been a better ending if she died protecting AJ and Clementine from walkers. But I didn't cared much for her anyway.
Oh come on, look. Fact of the matter is, If they hadn't pitted Jane and Kenny against each other, Jane would probably have little to no detractors at all. Maybe she'd even be remembered fondly. So listing all her faults is ultimately pointless.
I hated Jane. Every minute of season 2. And I was glad she finally died at the end in my playthrough.
But even I have to say that her flashback in Season 3 was nothing but awfully stupid and lazy of Telltale. Does not fit her character and her principles at all.
Jane's storyline never gave me a reason to keep her around. She was always depressing. At least Kenny tried to make things better despite having lost an eye.
Oh, she'd definitely have at least few detractors somewhere between Molly and Nate; I mean, she'd definitely have fans, but she'd be far from the most popular character. After all, she did enable getting Sarah and [I guess] Rebecca killed either way, triggered Arvo's Start of Darkness(thereby, being responsible for 50% of the conflict in No Going Back), and was almost certainly meant to do the same for Luke to make the long hyped fight between him and Kenny more ambiguous.
As for the iceberg comment, my point was that if you pay attention to how Jane acts in all of the episode, you'll notice she clearly had a sanity slippage a long time ago and is pretty much an experienced, high-functioning brand of insanity that can seem like she's got it all together(much like Carver was probably meant to and some versions of Batman and The Joker), but the right push(Kenny attacking her), trigger(Being in the trailer with Sarah), or even opportunity(Deciding Troy outlived his usefulness) will have her suddenly act in an irrational manner with a burst of emotion before turning the facade back on seamlessly. Being a foil to Carver, Sarah/Arvo, and eventually Kenny will do that to you and it's almost tragic.
Oh come on, look. Fact of the matter is, If they hadn't pitted Jane and Kenny against each other, Jane would probably have little to no detractors at all. Maybe she'd even be remembered fondly. So listing all her faults is ultimately pointless.
I tend to call some people by full names, and it either means I'm formally addressing them or I hate them and calling someone by their full name is a 'ticked off' thing. And in this case, it's formally addressing Luke.
Nate is a fucking asshole. That's the whole point. Whether you hate him or love him, he's an asshole. Molly felt out of place in the bleak tone of season 1. I don't think Jane feels out of place in season 2.
Arvo is responsible for his own fucking actions. Sarah was the one being a stubborn ass, putting Luke in danger.
And you could use that exact same paragraph for Kenny. Remember how Kenny got all pissed in ep 2 just because Sarita wouldn't let him "play gentleman" and carry a box for her? Dude was fucking unhinged and was only pretending to be happy, even before Carver showed up.
Oh, she'd definitely have at least few detractors somewhere between Molly and Nate; I mean, she'd definitely have fans, but she'd be far fro… morem the most popular character. After all, she did enable getting Sarah and [I guess] Rebecca killed either way, triggered Arvo's Start of Darkness(thereby, being responsible for 50% of the conflict in No Going Back), and was almost certainly meant to do the same for Luke to make the long hyped fight between him and Kenny more ambiguous.
As for the iceberg comment, my point was that if you pay attention to how Jane acts in all of the episode, you'll notice she clearly had a sanity slippage a long time ago and is pretty much an experienced, high-functioning brand of insanity that can seem like she's got it all together(much like Carver was probably meant to and some versions of Batman and The Joker), but the right push(Kenny attacking her), trigger(Being in the trailer with Sarah), or even opportunity(De… [view original content]
I don't know. There is evidence for each side of the argument, and I could go with both.
BUT... I don't agree with how she killed herself. Why --in a world where people come back from the dead, roam around to eat people's faces, and the only way to kill them or to avoid turning is to kill the head-- why did she hang herself? That's what people do in the pre-apocalypse, not now. She should have just shot herself, and not come back as a walker. She should have known how much danger she put Clementine in by letting herself turn after death. She should have known that Clem would find out about her death, so it didn't really matter if Clem heard a gunshot or not.
Nate is a fucking asshole. That's the whole point. Whether you hate him or love him, he's an asshole.
The point I was making is that all three would likely be base-breaking characters, with some who love them, some who hate them, and maybe a few stragglers in the middle. Granted, that applies to pretty much every character that's not Lee or to a lesser extent Clementine, but that's kinda the point of the series, at least initially: focusing on the survival of sympathetic, but flawed humans.
Jane would've still been loved for her hypercompetence and influence on Clementine, but hated for...well, the same reasons but also the consequences her actions had on the remaining cast and episode.
Molly felt out of place in the bleak tone of season 1. I don't think Jane feels out of place in season 2.
Hmm...you're not wrong there. I think the distinction is that while Molly was there to help lighter the mood with some comic book hero tropes, Jane unfortunately ended up playing a big hand in the cynical tone of Season 2.5, with what was left of the character group being killed off in messed up ways as a casualty of her influence(in-universe and out).
Sarah was the one being a stubborn ass, putting Luke in danger.
I'm not saying she helped the situation, but Jane should've been a little more empathetic about other people's problems and actually try to do something about it herself, especially when those problems match up with what she had and has. Not to mention she, after self-righteously demonizing Sarah [regardless of what you do in the trailer], turns around and does what she was warning against herself, getting the Russians on the group's back and distracting Luke, which forced Sarah to pick up their slack and help get Rebecca to safety with the herd on their heels. This ends costing Sarah her life due to a freak accident(which took both of them by surprise, no less) that probably could've been avoided and is implied to have nearly caused Rebecca to miscarriage before eventually dying days later due to internal bleeding.
Nate is a fucking asshole. That's the whole point. Whether you hate him or love him, he's an asshole. Molly felt out of place in the bleak t… moreone of season 1. I don't think Jane feels out of place in season 2.
Arvo is responsible for his own fucking actions. Sarah was the one being a stubborn ass, putting Luke in danger.
And you could use that exact same paragraph for Kenny. Remember how Kenny got all pissed in ep 2 just because Sarita wouldn't let him "play gentleman" and carry a box for her? Dude was fucking unhinged and was only pretending to be happy, even before Carver showed up.
I don't know. There is evidence for each side of the argument, and I could go with both.
BUT... I don't agree with how she killed herself… more. Why --in a world where people come back from the dead, roam around to eat people's faces, and the only way to kill them or to avoid turning is to kill the head-- why did she hang herself? That's what people do in the pre-apocalypse, not now. She should have just shot herself, and not come back as a walker. She should have known how much danger she put Clementine in by letting herself turn after death. She should have known that Clem would find out about her death, so it didn't really matter if Clem heard a gunshot or not.
Looking back on it, I don't think Jane really believed in putting down people before they turned to begin with; the situation Nick had him blocking their entrance to the trailer park after all, but she acted like she did for Clementine's sake, as Nick was her friend and she needs to be able to do that if any of her friends turn on her.
Plus, it's definitely inferrible(if not outright implied/stated in places) that Jane had her demons to begin with that she had been putting off dealing with for so long, which would explain her behavior throughout Season 2, then getting pregnant caused her hormones to make things worse and finding out that that was the cause just sent her over the edge for good. The absence of a note and the test being on the floor(which has a weird implication ) indicates she just ceased to function mentally and just decided to end it on the spot.
I don't know. There is evidence for each side of the argument, and I could go with both.
BUT... I don't agree with how she killed herself… more. Why --in a world where people come back from the dead, roam around to eat people's faces, and the only way to kill them or to avoid turning is to kill the head-- why did she hang herself? That's what people do in the pre-apocalypse, not now. She should have just shot herself, and not come back as a walker. She should have known how much danger she put Clementine in by letting herself turn after death. She should have known that Clem would find out about her death, so it didn't really matter if Clem heard a gunshot or not.
Look, if they had all fucking stayed at Carver's camp, Sarah, Rebecca and the rest probably wouldn't have died. Carlos wouldn't have been shot, he would have been there to deliver the baby.
We can cast blame all day, but they all made their decisions. I don't think it's fair to place all that on Jane. Luke is a grown man, he's responsible as well. He's not a little boy that got seduced. Dude's almost 30.
Nate is a fucking asshole. That's the whole point. Whether you hate him or love him, he's an asshole.
The point I was making is that… more all three would likely be base-breaking characters, with some who love them, some who hate them, and maybe a few stragglers in the middle. Granted, that applies to pretty much every character that's not Lee or to a lesser extent Clementine, but that's kinda the point of the series, at least initially: focusing on the survival of sympathetic, but flawed humans.
Jane would've still been loved for her hypercompetence and influence on Clementine, but hated for...well, the same reasons but also the consequences her actions had on the remaining cast and episode.
Molly felt out of place in the bleak tone of season 1. I don't think Jane feels out of place in season 2.
Hmm...you're not wrong there. I think the distinction is that while Molly was there to help lighter the mood with some comic book h… [view original content]
Yeah, okay.
I just find it weird that people would still use such a method of suicide when they're so far into the apocalypse. They should know what repercussions turning into zombies near other survivors can have.
Looking back on it, I don't think Jane really believed in putting down people before they turned to begin with; the situation Nick had him b… morelocking their entrance to the trailer park after all, but she acted like she did for Clementine's sake, as Nick was her friend and she needs to be able to do that if any of her friends turn on her.
Plus, it's definitely inferrible(if not outright implied/stated in places) that Jane had her demons to begin with that she had been putting off dealing with for so long, which would explain her behavior throughout Season 2, then getting pregnant caused her hormones to make things worse and finding out that that was the cause just sent her over the edge for good. The absence of a note and the test being on the floor(which has a weird implication ) indicates she just ceased to function mentally and just decided to end it on the spot.
Look, if they had all fucking stayed at Carver's camp, Sarah, Rebecca and the rest probably wouldn't have died. Carlos wouldn't have been shot, he would have been there to deliver the baby.
Sigh...I hate to agree, but it's an unfortunately possible truth. Aside from the whole herd invasion thing, that is.
I don't think it's fair to place all that on Jane.
I'm only blaming her for the stuff her arrogance and philosophy had a hand in making go wrong. Which, due to how much spotlight and shilling she got, is an alarming amount.
Dude's almost 30.
Which admittedly caught me offguard when I first played because I thought Luke, Nick, and Jane were in they're late teens to early twenties. So him saying he turned 27 was a bit of a shocker.
Look, if they had all fucking stayed at Carver's camp, Sarah, Rebecca and the rest probably wouldn't have died. Carlos wouldn't have been sh… moreot, he would have been there to deliver the baby.
We can cast blame all day, but they all made their decisions. I don't think it's fair to place all that on Jane. Luke is a grown man, he's responsible as well. He's not a little boy that got seduced. Dude's almost 30.
I just find it weird that people would still use such a method of suicide when they're so far into the apocalypse.
Yeah, that's one of the many reasons why her flashback was the worst. I mean, really: the edgy, too-cool-for-school character went and got herself pregnant due to her unhealthy habits, so she decides to literally hang herself? Wow. Brilliant, original, auvant-garde! How long did it take you to think of THAT not-cliche masterpiece?
Yeah, okay.
I just find it weird that people would still use such a method of suicide when they're so far into the apocalypse. They should know what repercussions turning into zombies near other survivors can have.
Aside from the whole herd invasion thing, that is.
they helped with that. I don't care what Luke says, it might not have hit. dude's been wrong plenty of times.
I'm only blaming her for the stuff her arrogance and philosophy had a hand in making go wrong. Which, due to how much spotlight and shilling she got, is an alarming amount.
When you've survived the zombie apocalypse for this long, you kinda got a right to be arrogant in my opinion. Anyway, wasn't that really just a front for how anxious she was at being reminded of Jamie? (Both by Clem and Sarah)
Which admittedly caught me offguard when I first played because I thought Luke, Nick, and Jane were in they're late teens to early twenties. So him saying he turned 27 was a bit of a shocker.
Well, Luke does call Nick a kid at one point. ("I'm worried about that kid") Maybe he really is almost a decade younger. It's possible.
Look, if they had all fucking stayed at Carver's camp, Sarah, Rebecca and the rest probably wouldn't have died. Carlos wouldn't have been sh… moreot, he would have been there to deliver the baby.
Sigh...I hate to agree, but it's an unfortunately possible truth. Aside from the whole herd invasion thing, that is.
I don't think it's fair to place all that on Jane.
I'm only blaming her for the stuff her arrogance and philosophy had a hand in making go wrong. Which, due to how much spotlight and shilling she got, is an alarming amount.
Dude's almost 30.
Which admittedly caught me offguard when I first played because I thought Luke, Nick, and Jane were in they're late teens to early twenties. So him saying he turned 27 was a bit of a shocker.
they helped with that. I don't care what Luke says, it might not have hit. dude's been wrong plenty of times.
True, but we're clearly told that the walkers operate by smell, are attracted to signs of life, and have hit the place before. Even if it didn't converge at once or even in significant amounts, the fact that Troy apparently fucked up the shutter door doesn't make me think at least some wouldn't have gotten in, especially since they had two breaches before the plan was put in motion.
When you've survived the zombie apocalypse for this long, you kinda got a right to be arrogant in my opinion. Anyway, wasn't that really just a front for how anxious she was at being reminded of Jamie? (Both by Clem and Sarah)
I suppose; honestly, I probably wouldn't care as much if she and Kenny weren't such assholes at times when it came to doing things as a member of the group/team. And the fact that she's so lacking in empathy towards Sarah's plight, not to mention the hypocrisy of leaving her to die brutally in her traumatized grief while refusing to deal with her own psychological issues, is part of what makes her so reprehensible. So no, unfortunately I don't really care why she does what she does when it involves being so adverse to basic human emotion that she'd rather let someone die than doing anything about it--including herself.
Well, Luke does call Nick a kid at one point. ("I'm worried about that kid") Maybe he really is almost a decade younger. It's possible.
No, Nick actually has one or two lines beforehand that confirms they've known each other for 20 years. It's just that admittedly easy to forget/miss, especially if you're not interested in him. Still, the fact that his uncle apparently watches over him and Luke helps give you the idea that they're younger.
Meanwhile, I assumed Luke and Jane were teenagers because of their bonding with Clementine, general countryboy/gothgirl vibe, boy/girl pronouns from other characters, and the hints of immaturity that show from time to time. Jane even says "you even sound like a teenager" to Clementine at one point and the fact that she's apparently meant to be seen as a kindred spirit and/or possible future version of Clementine doesn't help.
Aside from the whole herd invasion thing, that is.
they helped with that. I don't care what Luke says, it might not have hit. dude'… mores been wrong plenty of times.
I'm only blaming her for the stuff her arrogance and philosophy had a hand in making go wrong. Which, due to how much spotlight and shilling she got, is an alarming amount.
When you've survived the zombie apocalypse for this long, you kinda got a right to be arrogant in my opinion. Anyway, wasn't that really just a front for how anxious she was at being reminded of Jamie? (Both by Clem and Sarah)
Which admittedly caught me offguard when I first played because I thought Luke, Nick, and Jane were in they're late teens to early twenties. So him saying he turned 27 was a bit of a shocker.
Well, Luke does call Nick a kid at one point. ("I'm worried about that kid") Maybe he really is almost a decade younger. It's possible.
they helped with that. I don't care what Luke says, it might not have hit. dude's been wrong plenty of times.
True, but we're clearl… morey told that the walkers operate by smell, are attracted to signs of life, and have hit the place before. Even if it didn't converge at once or even in significant amounts, the fact that Troy apparently fucked up the shutter door doesn't make me think at least some wouldn't have gotten in, especially since they had two breaches before the plan was put in motion.
When you've survived the zombie apocalypse for this long, you kinda got a right to be arrogant in my opinion. Anyway, wasn't that really just a front for how anxious she was at being reminded of Jamie? (Both by Clem and Sarah)
I suppose; honestly, I probably wouldn't care as much if she and Kenny weren't such assholes at times when it came to doing things as a member of the group/team. And the fact that she's so lacking in empathy to… [view original content]
I don't know. There is evidence for each side of the argument, and I could go with both.
BUT... I don't agree with how she killed herself… more. Why --in a world where people come back from the dead, roam around to eat people's faces, and the only way to kill them or to avoid turning is to kill the head-- why did she hang herself? That's what people do in the pre-apocalypse, not now. She should have just shot herself, and not come back as a walker. She should have known how much danger she put Clementine in by letting herself turn after death. She should have known that Clem would find out about her death, so it didn't really matter if Clem heard a gunshot or not.
I'm gonna go with writers couldn't think of anything so they killed her off... Last time I spend money on this garbage. I'll wait till 2020 when any subsequent seasons are fully 'out' and wait for some feed back.
I wonder, if there are Zombiebabies inside of women if it's a still birth. You know, imagine it dies inside of you, turns and starts trying to eat and scratch you (without teeth&fingernails nor muscles really) xd...
No, but seems like being pregnant is a high risk for the mothers life (even without the apocalypse there is maternal death), so it's understandable if she doesn't wanna risk it.. If there was a good reason to kill herself, that would've been it..
And she did car e a lot for Clem, remember when she got back to the group after she left them and told Clem, if it wasn't for her.. Also the things she taught her, actually we see Clem in ANF still making use of the move Jane taught her, kick Zombie's hollow of the knee and then stab in head.
Still, she could've just kept on going and help AJ and Clem more. Seems like she just made the pregnancy test and immediately afterwards decided to kill herself. Like, that's not a thought process. That was very impulsively.
Writers really were just like "Yea... We need to kill both now.. so, how we gonna do it?"
Well, there's no one else to blame for it. She made a decision, no one forced a rope around her neck, to leave two defenceless children on t… moreheir own. It was selfish, pure and simple, and something that truly puts into question how much Jane actually cared for Clementine.
While it was totally lazy writing and an ultimate cop out, I don't think it was out of character at all. I genuinely think Jane is that selfish of a person.
I know this opinion isn't a popular one, but hey. I'm not the one hanging in a hardware store.
Oh, yeah, I completely agree with you about the writers. Majority, if not all, of the problems with Jane's death scenes fall entirely on the bad writing of Telltale's team. I know some have argued it was in character and that in some mad way, it was constructed well, but I really can't come to agree with such a conclusion.
After everything she'd done to get Clementine away from Kenny, who Jane did genuinely perceive to be a dangerous individual (which, I personally don't agree with. but that's a different discussion altogether), it makes no actual sense for her to just give up so suddenly without having put any consideration into Clementine's safety and/or emotional state. The entire idea of her getting all in and out with Luke, knowing full well the risks of a pregnancy and even laying witness to an actual pregnant woman in Rebecca, doesn't fit the criteria of Jane's supposed hardened, -survival above all else- character, in the first place. I mean, if they were that...um, frustrated, there are other things available in that aspect of things...I'd imagine, and it's not like Jane was meant to be a stupid person. But yeah, anyway, what I'm saying is the whole thing was just out of character, in my opinion. And in the long run, it reflects truly awfully on her. Before, whatever your opinion was of Jane there was no denying she cared for Clementine deeply. But now, after she made such a selfish choice that seemed to be so incredibly dismissive of Clementine's already-increasing emotional baggage, not to mention her physical safety, makes it seem as though Jane didn't care for her as much as she initially claimed.
And on the topic of your comment about the zombie baby and all that- While I would think it's fairly likely to assume that such a thing as carrying something inside you that could potentially eat it's way through your flesh, is a pretty scary possibility, it isn't a guarantee. There is potential that it could happen,no doubt, but there's also a possibility that it would not. And I would be of the opinion that Jane, someone who'd already risked her life just to do what she believed was saving Clementine, would've waited it out until she could figure out a means to either get rid of the baby in the safest manner for her own health. And if not, at least talk it over with the girl she supposedly saw as a second sister, and ya know, not leave when they already had little to no supplies thus leaving said girl and the baby defenceless...Cause that would be a shitty thing to do.
I wonder, if there are Zombiebabies inside of women if it's a still birth. You know, imagine it dies inside of you, turns and starts trying … moreto eat and scratch you (without teeth&fingernails nor muscles really) xd...
No, but seems like being pregnant is a high risk for the mothers life (even without the apocalypse there is maternal death), so it's understandable if she doesn't wanna risk it.. If there was a good reason to kill herself, that would've been it..
And she did car e a lot for Clem, remember when she got back to the group after she left them and told Clem, if it wasn't for her.. Also the things she taught her, actually we see Clem in ANF still making use of the move Jane taught her, kick Zombie's hollow of the knee and then stab in head.
Still, she could've just kept on going and help AJ and Clem more. Seems like she just made the pregnancy test and immediately afterwards decided to kill herself. Like, that's not a thoug… [view original content]
I blame her for having unprotected sex knowing she'd most likely get pregnant. Honestly several things that Jane did seemed to be out of character for her.
I blame her for having unprotected sex knowing she'd most likely get pregnant. Honestly several things that Jane did seemed to be out of character for her.
Yes, that was selfish as hell. She doesn't want to be in a world with a baby to take care of, so she leaves a little girl with the same fate? What?
She tore Clementine away from someone who would've never abandoned her, and then abandoned her. Fuck you, Jane.
Yes, that was selfish as hell. She doesn't want to be in a world with a baby to take care of, so she leaves a little girl with the same fate… more? What?
She tore Clementine away from someone who would've never abandoned her, and then abandoned her. Fuck you, Jane.
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No. Some people say suicide is coward, or weak. The person that commits suicide is delicate, they just couldn't take all the pain, they just wanted to go to sleep. I can't blame her.
Well, there's no one else to blame for it. She made a decision, no one forced a rope around her neck, to leave two defenceless children on their own. It was selfish, pure and simple, and something that truly puts into question how much Jane actually cared for Clementine.
Now that I think of it, it would have been a better ending if she died protecting AJ and Clementine from walkers. But I didn't cared much for her anyway.
No shit, mate.
Oh come on, look. Fact of the matter is, If they hadn't pitted Jane and Kenny against each other, Jane would probably have little to no detractors at all. Maybe she'd even be remembered fondly. So listing all her faults is ultimately pointless.
I hated Jane. Every minute of season 2. And I was glad she finally died at the end in my playthrough.
But even I have to say that her flashback in Season 3 was nothing but awfully stupid and lazy of Telltale. Does not fit her character and her principles at all.
Jane's storyline never gave me a reason to keep her around. She was always depressing. At least Kenny tried to make things better despite having lost an eye.
I am blaming the writers in this occasion.
Damnit, shoulda gave a heads up for the spoiler
Oh, she'd definitely have at least few detractors somewhere between Molly and Nate; I mean, she'd definitely have fans, but she'd be far from the most popular character. After all, she did enable getting Sarah and [I guess] Rebecca killed either way, triggered Arvo's Start of Darkness(thereby, being responsible for 50% of the conflict in No Going Back), and was almost certainly meant to do the same for Luke to make the long hyped fight between him and Kenny more ambiguous.
As for the iceberg comment, my point was that if you pay attention to how Jane acts in all of the episode, you'll notice she clearly had a sanity slippage a long time ago and is pretty much an experienced, high-functioning brand of insanity that can seem like she's got it all together(much like Carver was probably meant to and some versions of Batman and The Joker), but the right push(Kenny attacking her), trigger(Being in the trailer with Sarah), or even opportunity(Deciding Troy outlived his usefulness) will have her suddenly act in an irrational manner with a burst of emotion before turning the facade back on seamlessly. Being a foil to Carver, Sarah/Arvo, and eventually Kenny will do that to you and it's almost tragic.
Lucas is the full name for Luke, you ninny. =_=
I tend to call some people by full names, and it either means I'm formally addressing them or I hate them and calling someone by their full name is a 'ticked off' thing. And in this case, it's formally addressing Luke.
I'm a she, thanks.
And no I'm not.
Oh sorry, my bad.
Nate is a fucking asshole. That's the whole point. Whether you hate him or love him, he's an asshole. Molly felt out of place in the bleak tone of season 1. I don't think Jane feels out of place in season 2.
Arvo is responsible for his own fucking actions. Sarah was the one being a stubborn ass, putting Luke in danger.
And you could use that exact same paragraph for Kenny. Remember how Kenny got all pissed in ep 2 just because Sarita wouldn't let him "play gentleman" and carry a box for her? Dude was fucking unhinged and was only pretending to be happy, even before Carver showed up.
I don't know. There is evidence for each side of the argument, and I could go with both.
BUT... I don't agree with how she killed herself. Why --in a world where people come back from the dead, roam around to eat people's faces, and the only way to kill them or to avoid turning is to kill the head-- why did she hang herself? That's what people do in the pre-apocalypse, not now. She should have just shot herself, and not come back as a walker. She should have known how much danger she put Clementine in by letting herself turn after death. She should have known that Clem would find out about her death, so it didn't really matter if Clem heard a gunshot or not.
The point I was making is that all three would likely be base-breaking characters, with some who love them, some who hate them, and maybe a few stragglers in the middle. Granted, that applies to pretty much every character that's not Lee or to a lesser extent Clementine, but that's kinda the point of the series, at least initially: focusing on the survival of sympathetic, but flawed humans.
Jane would've still been loved for her hypercompetence and influence on Clementine, but hated for...well, the same reasons but also the consequences her actions had on the remaining cast and episode.
Hmm...you're not wrong there. I think the distinction is that while Molly was there to help lighter the mood with some comic book hero tropes, Jane unfortunately ended up playing a big hand in the cynical tone of Season 2.5, with what was left of the character group being killed off in messed up ways as a casualty of her influence(in-universe and out).
I'm not saying she helped the situation, but Jane should've been a little more empathetic about other people's problems and actually try to do something about it herself, especially when those problems match up with what she had and has. Not to mention she, after self-righteously demonizing Sarah [regardless of what you do in the trailer], turns around and does what she was warning against herself, getting the Russians on the group's back and distracting Luke, which forced Sarah to pick up their slack and help get Rebecca to safety with the herd on their heels. This ends costing Sarah her life due to a freak accident(which took both of them by surprise, no less) that probably could've been avoided and is implied to have nearly caused Rebecca to miscarriage before eventually dying days later due to internal bleeding.
THIS. You are SO right. She was so much smarter than that when it came to survival.
Looking back on it, I don't think Jane really believed in putting down people before they turned to begin with; the situation Nick had him blocking their entrance to the trailer park after all, but she acted like she did for Clementine's sake, as Nick was her friend and she needs to be able to do that if any of her friends turn on her.
Plus, it's definitely inferrible(if not outright implied/stated in places) that Jane had her demons to begin with that she had been putting off dealing with for so long, which would explain her behavior throughout Season 2, then getting pregnant caused her hormones to make things worse and finding out that that was the cause just sent her over the edge for good. The absence of a note and the test being on the floor(which has a weird implication
) indicates she just ceased to function mentally and just decided to end it on the spot.
Look, if they had all fucking stayed at Carver's camp, Sarah, Rebecca and the rest probably wouldn't have died. Carlos wouldn't have been shot, he would have been there to deliver the baby.
We can cast blame all day, but they all made their decisions. I don't think it's fair to place all that on Jane. Luke is a grown man, he's responsible as well. He's not a little boy that got seduced. Dude's almost 30.
Yeah, okay.
I just find it weird that people would still use such a method of suicide when they're so far into the apocalypse. They should know what repercussions turning into zombies near other survivors can have.
Sigh...I hate to agree, but it's an unfortunately possible truth. Aside from the whole herd invasion thing, that is.
I'm only blaming her for the stuff her arrogance and philosophy had a hand in making go wrong. Which, due to how much spotlight and shilling she got, is an alarming amount.
Which admittedly caught me offguard when I first played because I thought Luke, Nick, and Jane were in they're late teens to early twenties. So him saying he turned 27 was a bit of a shocker.
Yeah, that's one of the many reasons why her flashback was the worst. I mean, really: the edgy, too-cool-for-school character went and got herself pregnant due to her unhealthy habits, so she decides to literally hang herself? Wow. Brilliant, original, auvant-garde! How long did it take you to think of THAT not-cliche masterpiece?
they helped with that. I don't care what Luke says, it might not have hit. dude's been wrong plenty of times.
When you've survived the zombie apocalypse for this long, you kinda got a right to be arrogant in my opinion. Anyway, wasn't that really just a front for how anxious she was at being reminded of Jamie? (Both by Clem and Sarah)
Well, Luke does call Nick a kid at one point. ("I'm worried about that kid") Maybe he really is almost a decade younger. It's possible.
True, but we're clearly told that the walkers operate by smell, are attracted to signs of life, and have hit the place before. Even if it didn't converge at once or even in significant amounts, the fact that Troy apparently fucked up the shutter door doesn't make me think at least some wouldn't have gotten in, especially since they had two breaches before the plan was put in motion.
I suppose; honestly, I probably wouldn't care as much if she and Kenny weren't such assholes at times when it came to doing things as a member of the group/team. And the fact that she's so lacking in empathy towards Sarah's plight, not to mention the hypocrisy of leaving her to die brutally in her traumatized grief while refusing to deal with her own psychological issues, is part of what makes her so reprehensible. So no, unfortunately I don't really care why she does what she does when it involves being so adverse to basic human emotion that she'd rather let someone die than doing anything about it--including herself.
No, Nick actually has one or two lines beforehand that confirms they've known each other for 20 years. It's just that admittedly easy to forget/miss, especially if you're not interested in him. Still, the fact that his uncle apparently watches over him and Luke helps give you the idea that they're younger.
Meanwhile, I assumed Luke and Jane were teenagers because of their bonding with Clementine, general countryboy/gothgirl vibe, boy/girl pronouns from other characters, and the hints of immaturity that show from time to time. Jane even says "you even sound like a teenager" to Clementine at one point and the fact that she's apparently meant to be seen as a kindred spirit and/or possible future version of Clementine doesn't help.
Alright, fair enough.
Okay.
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Fair enough to what?
It wasnt that they were in the zombie apocolypse fully its that she was going to have a child in the zombie apocolypse
Probably 3 times over at that.
Also gunshots attract walkers, so maybe hanging herself was even safer since Clem would find her soon afterwards anyway.
I'm gonna go with writers couldn't think of anything so they killed her off... Last time I spend money on this garbage. I'll wait till 2020 when any subsequent seasons are fully 'out' and wait for some feed back.
I wonder, if there are Zombiebabies inside of women if it's a still birth. You know, imagine it dies inside of you, turns and starts trying to eat and scratch you (without teeth&fingernails nor muscles really) xd...
No, but seems like being pregnant is a high risk for the mothers life (even without the apocalypse there is maternal death), so it's understandable if she doesn't wanna risk it.. If there was a good reason to kill herself, that would've been it..
And she did car e a lot for Clem, remember when she got back to the group after she left them and told Clem, if it wasn't for her.. Also the things she taught her, actually we see Clem in ANF still making use of the move Jane taught her, kick Zombie's hollow of the knee and then stab in head.
Still, she could've just kept on going and help AJ and Clem more. Seems like she just made the pregnancy test and immediately afterwards decided to kill herself. Like, that's not a thought process. That was very impulsively.
Writers really were just like "Yea... We need to kill both now.. so, how we gonna do it?"
Both deaths, very questionable. VERY.
Honestly, yeah. I do blame her.
While it was totally lazy writing and an ultimate cop out, I don't think it was out of character at all. I genuinely think Jane is that selfish of a person.
I know this opinion isn't a popular one, but hey. I'm not the one hanging in a hardware store.
I didn't care for Jane
So for her killing her self wasn't
A shame
Oh, yeah, I completely agree with you about the writers. Majority, if not all, of the problems with Jane's death scenes fall entirely on the bad writing of Telltale's team. I know some have argued it was in character and that in some mad way, it was constructed well, but I really can't come to agree with such a conclusion.
After everything she'd done to get Clementine away from Kenny, who Jane did genuinely perceive to be a dangerous individual (which, I personally don't agree with. but that's a different discussion altogether), it makes no actual sense for her to just give up so suddenly without having put any consideration into Clementine's safety and/or emotional state. The entire idea of her getting all in and out with Luke, knowing full well the risks of a pregnancy and even laying witness to an actual pregnant woman in Rebecca, doesn't fit the criteria of Jane's supposed hardened, -survival above all else- character, in the first place. I mean, if they were that...um, frustrated, there are other things available in that aspect of things...I'd imagine, and it's not like Jane was meant to be a stupid person. But yeah, anyway, what I'm saying is the whole thing was just out of character, in my opinion. And in the long run, it reflects truly awfully on her. Before, whatever your opinion was of Jane there was no denying she cared for Clementine deeply. But now, after she made such a selfish choice that seemed to be so incredibly dismissive of Clementine's already-increasing emotional baggage, not to mention her physical safety, makes it seem as though Jane didn't care for her as much as she initially claimed.
And on the topic of your comment about the zombie baby and all that- While I would think it's fairly likely to assume that such a thing as carrying something inside you that could potentially eat it's way through your flesh, is a pretty scary possibility, it isn't a guarantee. There is potential that it could happen,no doubt, but there's also a possibility that it would not. And I would be of the opinion that Jane, someone who'd already risked her life just to do what she believed was saving Clementine, would've waited it out until she could figure out a means to either get rid of the baby in the safest manner for her own health. And if not, at least talk it over with the girl she supposedly saw as a second sister, and ya know, not leave when they already had little to no supplies thus leaving said girl and the baby defenceless...Cause that would be a shitty thing to do.
I blame her for having unprotected sex knowing she'd most likely get pregnant. Honestly several things that Jane did seemed to be out of character for her.
Starting where exactly?
Yes, that was selfish as hell. She doesn't want to be in a world with a baby to take care of, so she leaves a little girl with the same fate? What?
She tore Clementine away from someone who would've never abandoned her, and then abandoned her. Fuck you, Jane.
Are you talking about Sarah, Luke, or Kenny?
He means Kenny since you have to kill him to save Jane