He always had good reasons Javi didn't deserve that and I more have a problem how they made her too much like Jane when I chose Kenny it doesn't make any sense why she would act like Jane
He always had good reasons Javi didn't deserve that and I more have a problem how they made her too much like Jane when I chose Kenny it doesn't make any sense why she would act like Jane
I think it's definitely arguable whether Clementine can be seen as a good person even season 2. Possibly involved in robbery of some random Russian guy and willingly associating with Jane who robs him to some degree regardless.
Then stuff like shooting the guy in season 3, threatening Javier etc. A lot of people argue endlessley about how bad Kenny and Jane were. Well Clementine was possibly friends with one or both of them. You have to judge people by the company they keep in these situations.
That's all detrimental though I didn't steal supplies in either season 1 or 2 Clementine should be changed and not steal in season 3 but nope too much work for Telltale I guess
I think it's definitely arguable whether Clementine can be seen as a good person even season 2. Possibly involved in robbery of some random … moreRussian guy and willingly associating with Jane who robs him to some degree regardless.
Then stuff like shooting the guy in season 3, threatening Javier etc. A lot of people argue endlessley about how bad Kenny and Jane were. Well Clementine was possibly friends with one or both of them. You have to judge people by the company they keep in these situations.
I think it's definitely arguable whether Clementine can be seen as a good person even season 2. Possibly involved in robbery of some random … moreRussian guy and willingly associating with Jane who robs him to some degree regardless.
Then stuff like shooting the guy in season 3, threatening Javier etc. A lot of people argue endlessley about how bad Kenny and Jane were. Well Clementine was possibly friends with one or both of them. You have to judge people by the company they keep in these situations.
Ok but im just saying that overall the plan would have worked if it hadn't been for Luke but ok, your Clem didn't want to, fine. But sadly the plot demanded it either way and its a shame that we as the player could not change this.
So the ends justifies the means, that it was okay for Kenny to abandon a team member solely because he was able to get out a sticky situation in the end anyways?
Lee determinantely put Kenny and everyone else in danger previously so yeah he got even if you want to put it like that. If a man robbed your house, you'd want to get even by putting him in jail wouldnt you? I see it as the same thing in an apocalypse. Sorry to disagree there. I would also think Katjaa and everyone else would have looked after Clem if Lee had died knowing she'd be on her own then. At least she had people round her that were nice and caring which is better than having those that don't or no one at all.
And as cathartic it would have been to have Kenny fend for himself in Episode 4 when he was grabbed by a walker, I still saved him, because I wanted to prove to him that I was better than leaving a team member to save themselves solely because I didn't like him or I disagreed with him.
Ok fair enough..
And I find it ironic that you consider that the 'if and buts' doesn't matter in a choice-based game where there are consequences to the choices that you make. Seems like you're only using this term to excuse Kenny in the most convenient way when you haven't got a strong enough argument to explain why Kenny is right to refuse to lift the walkers off of Lee in A Long Road Ahead, when if it was the other way around, you'd condemn Lee for abandoning Kenny to fend the walkers off by himself.
Strong enough argument? Ive already told you why i said that I don't blame him for his treatment of Lee at the start of Long Road Ahead and you can dislike that all you want, please don't try and rile me up by saying that. You didn't like what he did because you feel Kenny should have helped you yet it seemed ok for your Lee to not help keep everyone safe in the meat locker because a woman's feelings and and a clinically dead man (who would have died if revived anyway) was more important? The situation from the meat locker and drugstore is different but the outcome was the same when you actually think about it. 2 dangerous situations that both characters determinantely put each other in. Disagree with me by all means because i know you will but that is how i see it and i am sorry you don't approve. Edit - I didn't mean to get angry there so im sorry if it comes across like that, it just seemed you were calling me out on it
And no thank you very much for that wrong assumption. If it was the other way around i most certainly would not condemn Lee for leaving Kenny under the door either. I would say exactly the same as i have done about Kenny. If Lee left Kenny under the door, i wouldn't have blamed him if Kenny had put Lee and everyone at risk in the meat locker. You won't believe me when i say this but Lee is actually my favourite character above Kenny and Clementine. People always think that Kenny is my fav character because of all the discussions i get involved with about him but that's only because there are nowhere near as many topics about Lee mostly because his decisions are up to the player rather than a NPC i imagine. I like to think I'm a fair person when it comes to certain scenes with certain characters though you may not think this. I don't agree with "everything" he has said and done believe it or not.
I agree that trust and loyalty is important, but it only works if both sides are willing to reach a mutual agreement. If a person cannot handle a disagreement or conflict of ideals, and no longer considers the other person worthy of their 'trust or loyalty' because of it, then that's not trust or loyalty to begin with: it's a one-sided affair where that person expects the other to agree with their terms on practically everything in exchange for their cooperation.
Yes you are right that Kenny wasn't willing to reach a mutual agreement when disagreeing over stuff that happened with Lee in the past but why are you ignoring the times when Lee does the same? Because it's determinant? If so then that shouldn't be a reason to not mention it. Lee can also not show loyalty or trust. The thing is, for me Kenny redeemed himself when talking to him in the attic in No Time Left. Kenny would tell Christa how Lilly came between them a lot and spent a lot of nights hating Lee's guts to which Lee can respond that he is sorry for the pain he caused or water under the bridge and Ken responds with "you and me both doc". So in my opinion they finally reconcile with each other at this point.
Which makes me wonder why he still hesitates on going out to rescue Clementine when Kenny would be happy to accompany a bitten man on his boat, even if he is not loyal enough to prompt Kenny to help look for Clementine. Why is he prioritizing an infected man's position on the boat over rescuing a little girl he supposedly likes right now? I'm assuming that this happens right near the end of Episode 4.
Maybe because Omid and Christa only go with you if you reveal the bite and he knows that Lee will at least have people watching out for him? I don't know. That's the question. But yes he does say that to Lee about taking him on the boat despite being bitten. I guess despite his grudge, he still gives at least a bit of a shit about Lee right?
Well it's like you said, we have different opinions on Kenny, and we both have the right to express those views. I am sorry if i sometimes continue disagreeing with you or sounded hostile like earlier and other times but i do hope you understand how strongly i feel about this game and these characters. The one thing Telltale did right was season 1. I still hold that game in such high esteem and i always will. It's a shame it's sequels didn't follow that.
Except that had Luke have been there when she entered the comic book store, she'd have given him the radio "before" Troy found her and if he… more had searched her would have found nothing then and Luke would have stayed hidden, so again the plan to have Clem take the radio WOULD have worked if it wasn't for Luke's recklessness and it turned out that giving Clem the radio would have been the right decision as Mike/Kenny were both being closely watched by Troy and wouldn't have been able to slip past Troy were as Clem could (waits for yet another differing response? Lol)
You're missing the point. My Clementine did not want any part in the radio plan, and yet she's forced by Kenny to take the radio and go along with the plan anyway. Kenny forced incriminating evidence on her without her consent and gave her no opportunity to back out. That would mean that if Clementine was found out, it would be Kenny's fault at the end of the day.
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Well it's like you said, we have different opinions on Kenny, and we both have the right to express those views. I am sorry if i sometimes continue disagreeing with you or sounded hostile like earlier and other times but i do hope you understand how strongly i feel about this game and these characters. The one thing Telltale did right was season 1. I still hold that game in such high esteem and i always will. It's a shame it's sequels didn't follow that.
It's no trouble, but we're getting to the point where we filling up the entire screen with these debates, and I'm deciding to no longer continue the debate in case we don't know when to stop.
You're passionate about Kenny's role and character, and I have no intentions of changing your mind, just as much as I have my own views of Kenny that won't be changing anytime soon.
What I do agree on is that the quality of Season 2, the Michonne Mini-Series, and A New Frontier will never be as highly regarded as Season 1, which is why I personally decided that Telltale's TWD story had ended at Season 1 for me.
You're missing the point.
Ok but im just saying that overall the plan would have worked if it hadn't been for Luke but ok, your Clem… more didn't want to, fine. But sadly the plot demanded it either way and its a shame that we as the player could not change this.
So the ends justifies the means, that it was okay for Kenny to abandon a team member solely because he was able to get out a sticky situation in the end anyways?
Lee determinantely put Kenny and everyone else in danger previously so yeah he got even if you want to put it like that. If a man robbed your house, you'd want to get even by putting him in jail wouldnt you? I see it as the same thing in an apocalypse. Sorry to disagree there. I would also think Katjaa and everyone else would have looked after Clem if Lee had died knowing she'd be on her own then. At least she had people round her that were nice and caring which is better than having those that don't or no o… [view original content]
He always had good reasons Javi didn't deserve that and I more have a problem how they made her too much like Jane when I chose Kenny it doesn't make any sense why she would act like Jane
Of course I do but he couldn't have stuck around forever so a farewell was understandable.Season 2 already felt like a bonus round after his "death" in S1 which was cool but he couldn't have jumped to another season again
Of course I do but he couldn't have stuck around forever so a farewell was understandable.Season 2 already felt like a bonus round after his "death" in S1 which was cool but he couldn't have jumped to another season again
yes, even more after that bullshit disservice they gave us on the first episode. still fucking mad about it. and then they spit and dick slap us on the face with fucking Kenny 2.0 aka Tripp. like fucking at least have the fucking decency to make the character look different, making him muscular doesnt mean different. also for fuck sake's.... can you also at LEAST have him not sound so similar to Kenny? i mean, really? why piss on us and call it rain? its like im always hearing kenny, every time he speaks. and if you wanted him to sound like kenny, at least have Gavin voice him, also a slap on the face to Gavin. smh.
yes, even more after that bullshit disservice they gave us on the first episode. still fucking mad about it. and then they spit and dick sla… morep us on the face with fucking Kenny 2.0 aka Tripp. like fucking at least have the fucking decency to make the character look different, making him muscular doesnt mean different. also for fuck sake's.... can you also at LEAST have him not sound so similar to Kenny? i mean, really? why piss on us and call it rain? its like im always hearing kenny, every time he speaks. and if you wanted him to sound like kenny, at least have Gavin voice him, also a slap on the face to Gavin. smh.
Personally, I would've preferred if they gave his scene to Jane and just have him pass in his sleep or something similar so as to give something resembling an actual sendoff.
yes, even more after that bullshit disservice they gave us on the first episode. still fucking mad about it. and then they spit and dick sla… morep us on the face with fucking Kenny 2.0 aka Tripp. like fucking at least have the fucking decency to make the character look different, making him muscular doesnt mean different. also for fuck sake's.... can you also at LEAST have him not sound so similar to Kenny? i mean, really? why piss on us and call it rain? its like im always hearing kenny, every time he speaks. and if you wanted him to sound like kenny, at least have Gavin voice him, also a slap on the face to Gavin. smh.
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Good person? she threatens to kill Javi for not giving her the van
And Kenny has done much worse but you think he can keep her "good"?
He always had good reasons Javi didn't deserve that and I more have a problem how they made her too much like Jane when I chose Kenny it doesn't make any sense why she would act like Jane
Apparently, Jane was supposed to be seen as a bad future version of Clementine to begin with.
I think it's definitely arguable whether Clementine can be seen as a good person even season 2. Possibly involved in robbery of some random Russian guy and willingly associating with Jane who robs him to some degree regardless.
Then stuff like shooting the guy in season 3, threatening Javier etc. A lot of people argue endlessley about how bad Kenny and Jane were. Well Clementine was possibly friends with one or both of them. You have to judge people by the company they keep in these situations.
That's all detrimental though I didn't steal supplies in either season 1 or 2 Clementine should be changed and not steal in season 3 but nope too much work for Telltale I guess
Yeah, pretty much.
He still could be alive if you leave him, but we won't see him again even if he is alive.
Ok but im just saying that overall the plan would have worked if it hadn't been for Luke but ok, your Clem didn't want to, fine. But sadly the plot demanded it either way and its a shame that we as the player could not change this.
Lee determinantely put Kenny and everyone else in danger previously so yeah he got even if you want to put it like that. If a man robbed your house, you'd want to get even by putting him in jail wouldnt you? I see it as the same thing in an apocalypse. Sorry to disagree there. I would also think Katjaa and everyone else would have looked after Clem if Lee had died knowing she'd be on her own then. At least she had people round her that were nice and caring which is better than having those that don't or no one at all.
Ok fair enough..
Strong enough argument? Ive already told you why i said that I don't blame him for his treatment of Lee at the start of Long Road Ahead and you can dislike that all you want, please don't try and rile me up by saying that. You didn't like what he did because you feel Kenny should have helped you yet it seemed ok for your Lee to not help keep everyone safe in the meat locker because a woman's feelings and and a clinically dead man (who would have died if revived anyway) was more important? The situation from the meat locker and drugstore is different but the outcome was the same when you actually think about it. 2 dangerous situations that both characters determinantely put each other in. Disagree with me by all means because i know you will but that is how i see it and i am sorry you don't approve. Edit - I didn't mean to get angry there so im sorry if it comes across like that, it just seemed you were calling me out on it
And no thank you very much for that wrong assumption. If it was the other way around i most certainly would not condemn Lee for leaving Kenny under the door either. I would say exactly the same as i have done about Kenny. If Lee left Kenny under the door, i wouldn't have blamed him if Kenny had put Lee and everyone at risk in the meat locker. You won't believe me when i say this but Lee is actually my favourite character above Kenny and Clementine. People always think that Kenny is my fav character because of all the discussions i get involved with about him but that's only because there are nowhere near as many topics about Lee mostly because his decisions are up to the player rather than a NPC i imagine. I like to think I'm a fair person when it comes to certain scenes with certain characters though you may not think this. I don't agree with "everything" he has said and done believe it or not.
Yes you are right that Kenny wasn't willing to reach a mutual agreement when disagreeing over stuff that happened with Lee in the past but why are you ignoring the times when Lee does the same? Because it's determinant? If so then that shouldn't be a reason to not mention it. Lee can also not show loyalty or trust. The thing is, for me Kenny redeemed himself when talking to him in the attic in No Time Left. Kenny would tell Christa how Lilly came between them a lot and spent a lot of nights hating Lee's guts to which Lee can respond that he is sorry for the pain he caused or water under the bridge and Ken responds with "you and me both doc". So in my opinion they finally reconcile with each other at this point.
Maybe because Omid and Christa only go with you if you reveal the bite and he knows that Lee will at least have people watching out for him? I don't know. That's the question. But yes he does say that to Lee about taking him on the boat despite being bitten. I guess despite his grudge, he still gives at least a bit of a shit about Lee right?
Well it's like you said, we have different opinions on Kenny, and we both have the right to express those views. I am sorry if i sometimes continue disagreeing with you or sounded hostile like earlier and other times but i do hope you understand how strongly i feel about this game and these characters. The one thing Telltale did right was season 1. I still hold that game in such high esteem and i always will. It's a shame it's sequels didn't follow that.
Not at all. Couldn't be happier that he's gone. But even I admit his S3 death was atrocious.
It's no trouble, but we're getting to the point where we filling up the entire screen with these debates, and I'm deciding to no longer continue the debate in case we don't know when to stop.
You're passionate about Kenny's role and character, and I have no intentions of changing your mind, just as much as I have my own views of Kenny that won't be changing anytime soon.
What I do agree on is that the quality of Season 2, the Michonne Mini-Series, and A New Frontier will never be as highly regarded as Season 1, which is why I personally decided that Telltale's TWD story had ended at Season 1 for me.
Until then, take care and have a good weekend.
Yeah, he always had what he thought were good reasons, I'm sure.
Because they were at least better than Clementines
Well, Clementine is a child. I don't know what Kenny's excuse is, lol.
His story is over...
Oh shit wtf is this text oooops my bad
He actually got a somewhat heroic death because he always has to be the hero.
yes, even more after that bullshit disservice they gave us on the first episode. still fucking mad about it. and then they spit and dick slap us on the face with fucking Kenny 2.0 aka Tripp. like fucking at least have the fucking decency to make the character look different, making him muscular doesnt mean different. also for fuck sake's.... can you also at LEAST have him not sound so similar to Kenny? i mean, really? why piss on us and call it rain? its like im always hearing kenny, every time he speaks. and if you wanted him to sound like kenny, at least have Gavin voice him, also a slap on the face to Gavin. smh.
Mostly agreed.
Personally, I would've preferred if they gave his scene to Jane and just have him pass in his sleep or something similar so as to give something resembling an actual sendoff.
Tripp is nothing like Kenny because he agrees with Javier no matter what.
lol now thats true, but im talking mainly looks wise and how he seems to want to fuck shit up most of the time.
im just glad TT decided to not have him have a kid.. you know, now that be way too much.
When did Kenny threaten to kill a guy over not giving him a van? That's nothing like Kenny
Of course I do. More then any other character.