Episode 3 was miles better than the first two, but they really didn't address much more than the length. Javier and his family receive minimal development, and Conrad is a character most won't see develop since he was killed by 80% in the first episode and TT only develops him for the minority, the majority of fans receive nothing more than a stripped down episode, sadly. Nothing much changes if you kill him, other than the character most people killed him for not appearing until late in the episode. It's an overall improvement after the debut, but a disappointing installment in a once great series.
Javier remains as uncompelling as he was in the launch, and David emerges as one of the only likeable members of the Garcia clan. I hope they build on that, he has a lot of potential.
Javier's family is the focus, and they've been getting a shit ton of development. I mean, you get all that backstory between Javier, Kate, a… morend David in the flashbacks that give you a good idea on how you want to play Javi. Hell, the trailers even do a neat bait-and-switch with David, and make you think he's the sole leader and all around bad guy of the New Frontier until you discover things are far more complicated than they appear.
Conrad has a really great redemption arc if you decided to go along with his plan and gave him a gun in this episode. Telltale didn't just write off a determinant character for dead this time and allowed him make it through an episode with a few shining moments. Compare that to saving Nick from Walter back in Season 2 where afterwards he pretty much just sleeps through all of Episode 3, doesn't say much to anybody, and then gets an off-screen death Episode 4.
Anyways, this is going way better than the cabin group in my opinion.
I honestly actually liked Ep 1 and 2 for what they were and how they brought it all together. I killed Conrad... So I didn't see how his character grows in this ep. But I actually like how he seems to play a part going into the next episode. Instead of just killing him off. I honestly got a great feel for how the politics worked in the New Frontier. I hope they expound upon that in the next episode. Kinda get like a GOT feel a bit to it. In a way. I thought they could have developed it a bit more, but it was interesting nonetheless.
I agree that some people are just looking for excuses to dislike the game at this point. Ep. 3 really developed all of the characters nicely, adding a good/bad David that makes it hard to know what to do really. ITs so tough. The decisions in this episode were very good I thought. Definitely the best episode of the season. Have to let it sit for a bit to see how it ranks as far as the whole series goes.
You just always find something to complain, don't you? I think it was improved and is 100% better than Episode 1 & 2.
@Sir_Roswellington has got a point.
Yeah, I found that weird that Jesus got all pissy with me. Like she actually fired her gun at the door. She literally would kill David, possibly shoot me.
Again, I loved most of this episode. But there is something that I forgot to write that has bothered me about it big time:
when David is tr… moreapped outside of the warehouse Clem pulls her gun and says something like, "I'll kill him the moment he walks into the door."
I chose not to open the door because a) she looked dead serious and b) he would at least have a slight chance of surviving if he didn't have a Clem bullet to the brain.
So Jesus got all sanctimonious and scowled at me as he said, "I thought you were a good man."
Then he opened it. As he opened it Clem didn't even react. She didn't tell HIM not to open it. She even put her gun away and didn't draw it again as he entered the room.
That part REALLY angered me. I'm the a--hole because I was trying to at least let the brother have a slight chance?
I agree man! ANF has really done a great job with flashbacks and character development. The ending for the episode was so intense, I feel like I made so many mistakes that I want to go back over and redo. Definitely pumped for the rest of the season. I also hope that they do continue the series after this. It will be interesting to see how they do it, ya know? I don't know how this will end but I do hope that it goes back to a Clem perspective at least for the next season. It would be good to see all of it coming back around.
New Frontier is awesome, just finished episode 3 and Telltale has really hit it out of the park with ongoing character development and a sto… morery line that pulls you in deeper the longer you play. I left this episode just like the last, immediately wanting to move onto the next. I haven't been this drawn into the story's development since Clementine was with us as Lee in the original. I can't wait to finish this season and I hope Telltale will continue the series for many more to come.
Yes exactly! It's knowing they have the ability to make them like they used to but have fixed something that was never broke in the first place. Whatever happened to little things like say for example you choose an optional piece of dialogue to say to a character and then he or she will mention what you said a few episodes later? Im not referring to then main choices, i mean just a random line? Because in season 1 you could say the smallest of things and and a character would genuinely remember it where as these days a lot of the time it will say "so and so will remember that" and they just never bring it up again.
I just miss the way they used to make games. It's changed so much and its not a good thing for me
Ah sorry. Tbh for me if this had included hubs/optional conversations, it'd be an easy 10. It's already a 9 for me though so eh. I agree abo… moreut the recent games in a way though, although tbh what makes me upset is we know Telltale -can- still do things the way they did. Like Tales from the Borderlands and The Wolf Among Us, love them or hate them but they included a fair amount of variation, choices mattered and hubs/optional conversations with multiple topics were a thing, recently
I killed Max too, not because I didn't like him. I actually thought he was an alright dude, but I had just "Lucilled the shit out of Badger" as you said, and I thought mercy to one dude after absolutely obliterating another would seem a bit weird.
Man, I loved Lucille-ing the shit out of Badger. I want him out of this game ASAP. I actually like letting assholes suffer and turn but I ju… morest wanted him to see what happens if he fucks up with the wrong people.
I killed Max. I know, he wasn't that bad but he still agreed to steal stuff from other communities. I couldn't trust him enough so not taking any chances. At least I gave him a peaceful death.
Is it just me or is anyone else annoyed with the super forceful Kate, Javi, and David love triangle? Lol I get it, we need the drama, but it sucks for those of us who are trying to keep Kate and Javi's relationship strictly platonic.
I do agree with others who have said it: This episode is a step in the right direction. It's better than the first two, I'm happy we were able to see how the Garcias got on the road. I also really enjoyed not being able to truly tell if David was a good guy or not. However, how he sort of implied that Kate and Gabe would be fine with him and that Javi should leave was insulting.
I do wish the cliffhanger had been stronger, but I'm interested to see what happens next!
P.S. reading about everyone's Conrad playthrough is making me jealous haha.
So here we go. 1. Loved the ability to kill Conrad as Javi. (Though David probably should get the honor) 2. Hug Clementine (The feels if you felt nothing here plz seek help) 3. Finally getting answers to what happened between Clem and the NF. (Though we knew it would be something minor blown way out of context ) As to what I hated......#NeedsmoreClem comes to mind but I think we'll get that NXT Ep unless we play as "Paul" or Davids wife. Javi and David are .....tied up so....
But seriously, I really enjoyed this episode. The only complaints I have are more Clementine, longer episodes, hubs, and give me a choice whether I want to be with Kate or not. That's all I ask Telltale.
Props on dealing with Conrad. I actually killed him last episode just because I knew he was a determinant character after that. But you proved me wrong, and choices actually mattered on this one.
I agree about Kate, its come to the point where I care even less about her than I did before, it used to be kinda cute at the start, especially with the "trip to Norway" and such, which seemed innocent enough, but when she keeps on hitting on me every chance she gets, even though I am not interested, and she is basically the same clueless character from the start of the season, same with Gabe, he hasnt really changed at all
I thought this episode was quite good apart from the ending which was too predictable and the part that didn't makes sense was that if you have Max and he exposes what Joan did and then they condemn her including that leader guy with the cap on I forgot his name, but then Joan talks for only one minute about how they need to survive by doing whatever etc so they change their mind and agree with her and turn against Javi and David just like that.
That was lazy writing, so now I'm sure they'll make it so that we get to kill Joan and either choose some gruesome way or let her die more quietly, just like with every other antagonist, same old story.
Well it was a step in the right direction no doubt. But if this is what passes for good, Telltale has some seriously low standards.
Cheesy dialogue, god some of these lines were just embarassing. The plot, while finally somewhat intresting, is still hollow in my opinion. The episode felt like it was just going through the motions, even when it was good it was still loose with no real sense of direction. The whole season has been like the writers have just been throwing shit at the wall, and thankfully this time some of it stuck.
Clem is still so shoehorned into this thing, and still the only thing that I care about. Her character has no variation to it, its still just tacked on meaninglessness. and that is by far the biggest problem I have with the season. I made my Clem into one hard as nails survivor, and even though that is now the only Clem we get, she doesn't feel like my Clem. I am really starting to think Telltale is intentionaly trying to destroy her. A five minute flashback and some corny, edgy, and insipid dialouge will never cut it. I need to get back in touch with my Clem not a panel of writers Idea of my Clem.
But there was some good to be found here as well. All the characters are starting to come to life a bit more, the plot while far from perfect now seems to be living and moving. David has been a great addition, but man I don't trust him, I dont think he is lying, but I dont see the NF being a better place under his rule then under the committee's rule or Joan's silent dictatorship.
So while I'm still pretty down on the episode and the season as a whole. My general impression of this episode, well to put in baseball terms, if these episodes were batters, the first two struck out, and this one got hit by a pitch and took a base.
I want a soundtrack back. It used to be pretty heavy and reflective when the episodes would end and music would play. Now im abruptly asked to buy something I already own instead. GOtta love that...
When compared to the first two episodes this 3rd one felt like a great episode lol because the first 2 were so terrible, but it is still like you say has a long way to go before it is ever anywhere near S1 standards as there were still problems especially with the ending. It feels like a small step in the right direction for TellTale but the next episode will be massive for them as it is now make or break time.
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Well it was a step in the right direction no doubt. But if this is what passes for good, Telltale has some seriously … morelow standards.
Cheesy dialogue, god some of these lines were just embarassing. The plot, while finally somewhat intresting, is still hollow in my opinion. The episode felt like it was just going through the motions, even when it was good it was still loose with no real sense of direction. The whole season has been like the writers have just been throwing shit at the wall, and thankfully this time some of it stuck.
Clem is still so shoehorned into this thing, and still the only thing that I care about. Her character has no variation to it, its still just tacked on meaninglessness. and that is by far the biggest problem I have with the season. I made my Clem into one hard as nails survivor, and even though that is now the only Clem we get, she doesn't feel like my Clem. I am really starting to think T… [view original content]
One thing that really irritates me (and is cheesy in itself) is the Tripp and Eleanor relationship.
They dated, she said 'no' in the end, then he concludes he should respect her wishes. Good. But THEN he's all like 'i'm gonna go tell her I love her'?
Maybe it'll work out sensibly, but there really shouldn't be a 'guy gets girl' story in the mix as well, when we have a rebellious teenager and a love triangle as tropes already. Girls don't fall in love with you because you want them to.
Again, I loved most of this episode. But there is something that I forgot to write that has bothered me about it big time:
when David is tr… moreapped outside of the warehouse Clem pulls her gun and says something like, "I'll kill him the moment he walks into the door."
I chose not to open the door because a) she looked dead serious and b) he would at least have a slight chance of surviving if he didn't have a Clem bullet to the brain.
So Jesus got all sanctimonious and scowled at me as he said, "I thought you were a good man."
Then he opened it. As he opened it Clem didn't even react. She didn't tell HIM not to open it. She even put her gun away and didn't draw it again as he entered the room.
That part REALLY angered me. I'm the a--hole because I was trying to at least let the brother have a slight chance?
I quite enjoyed the further insight we got with the Garcia family, great use of music and scene work when they were leaving the house. Not much else to say here, a few nods and hints as to how things would eventually turn out in the future. Curious to see how these flashbacks will play a role, even if they do serve as mostly insight and character building.
Opening Present Scene and first half
Here we pick up where we left off, I feel like there was a curveball thrown at me here, the antagonistic role that I figured David would fall into actually wasn't the case, generally he seemed to be an alright, all be it flawed individual, but not the antagonist I was previously expecting him to be. I questioned my previous choice of kissing Kate, Javier was there to take care of everyone in his absence but sometimes I figured that maybe it was time to back off. Kate and Gabe are David's wife and son, not Javier's.
Kate wanting to leave behind David's back was a recipe for disaster and I can already see it turning David against us as he would just think we were the brother that took everything away from him, even before the apocalypse it was implied that Javier was the golden child in the family, not to mention there were problems of pent up jealousy between David and Javier, so If Javier were to try and leave with Kate and Gabe, it would certainly push David over the edge, which is mainly why I stuck to his plan and remained fairly loyal to him this episode, playing the "I'm your brother and i got your back card' with him usually works at keeping him calm. As far as Im concerned, Kate should sort out if she wants to officially break up with David instead of just trying to run off with Javier and Gabe without a second thought since it will look a lot worse on us from David's perspective.
Davids character was one of the things that was intriguing this episode, a connection to Javier's past self and a family member, but not knowing whether to confide in family or your gut feeling was what made it tense. David seems alright for now and relatively an alright guy, but I get a feeling that sense of jealousy from their childhood will resurface in later episodes, hopefully they can work together to take down the corrupted members of TNF, although I wouldn't rule out one of the brothers trying to kill each other, but hopefully its something thats avoidable, maybe the flashbacks with David and Kate will play a factor in that in future episodes. He seems to know whats up between Javier and Kate, but is trying to put it at the back of his head because maybe he doesn't want to believe it.
There was a good sense of getting to know and explore a community, seeing how far things have come since the days of season 1, there are now solid settlements around with many like minded individuals, but with that returns some corrupt politics and intentions of humans from the old times, people turning against people. It's still about survival, but I still think its more about community and world building.
The Motor Inn days where things were a lot less established and a lot more solitary seem to be a thing of the past, things have evolved over the years. I do kind of miss how desperate and how high the stakes seemed back in the season 1 and 2 days however.
In regards to Tripp, I'm wondering what his reaction would be if/when he finds out what I did to Conrad, hopefully he doesn't find out because I personally think the guy is pretty likeable, he has a temper, but he's a good guy at heart, cant necessarily disagree at the fact that he reminds me of a younger and more level headed Kenny, especially when he got knocked on his ass. Although Im quite pleased with how Conrad gets treated this episode if you keep him alive, he can live or die in this episode and he has a good moment with Badger if you let Conrad kill him, good move there Telltale. Didn't see too much of Eleanor this episode, I like her, but not much more to say about her, my opinion is still the same from ties that bind part 1 and 2, still wondering if she will be a potential partner for Javi, but for me that seems unlikely, maybe for other players its a possibility. Feels like if you end up with either there will be ramifications for both, Go with Kate and David will obviously want to hate your guts, Go with Eleanor and that stirs things up with Tripp especially since he wanted to tell Eleanor his true feelings for her, I could also see Kate feeling abandoned and pissed off.
The scene with TNF leaders was particularly well done, biting my tongue on Marianna's death was hard, but I tried to not screw things up with David and play along.
Second half of the episode, Clementine's Flashback
Being forced back out on to the road I finally felt like the stakes were higher for survival, not being able to depend on the walls of the community had me a little more on edge, we get to see how Javier behaves on his own two feet without his family around, which was good.
Then the part I was particularly anticipating arrived, Clementine's entry into the episode. Her flashback scene with AJ was particularly well done, her goodbye to him had me a little misty eyed, mostly because I remembered the promises I made to the season 2 characters to take care of him. Hearing him speak his first word was really crushing as you were forced to leave your only connection to Clem's attachment to all the characters in Season 2 behind.
Then 'Goodbye' from Season 1 started to play as she then said that she thought AJ would finally be the one who didn't die.. It kind of hit home for me since to me the only person she could have been thinking of in that moment was Lee. Instinctively the Inner Lee in me re emerged from Season One, without haste I chose the [Hug Clem] option, this was the highlight of the episode for me, something Im wanting to see more out of ANF and Clem's development. It's great to see Clementine slowly open up more and more each episode, sadly it does still feel like her role is very minimal at the moment, I'm hoping her quest to find AJ plays a larger role in future episodes.
I'd still like to see some more Javier and Clementine teamwork/ moments, even a chilled scene where they just talk around a campfire, maybe share a few laughs, focus a little more on the smaller things, even if its just for a brief few moments, it makes those kind of scenes feel extra special. When the characters can just forget about the matter at hand and just be themselves, even if it is short lived, its great to see play out. Hopefully this gets touched on in future episodes.
The whole scuffle that ensued with Badger and Max, particularly the scene where we get the choice what to do with Badger, there wasn't really a grey area with it, Badger was the lowest of the low, a scumbag, couldn't say the same for Max, he had some redeemable qualities, so I kept him around, later on I was glad to see he assisted in telling the truth, wondering what his role in episode 4 will be.
Overall near the end I was glad there were more opportunities to branch out the story with the multiple different styled endings, the ending of the episode where Javier and David get locked up didn't particularly leave my jaw dropping and felt like a rather straightforward ending compared to previous season cliffhangers, but the rest of the episode made up for it, a good step in the right direction for Telltale.
I liked it a lot overall.
One thing that really irritates me (and is cheesy in itself) is the Tripp and Eleanor relationship.
They dat… moreed, she said 'no' in the end, then he concludes he should respect her wishes. Good. But THEN he's all like 'i'm gonna go tell her I love her'?
Maybe it'll work out sensibly, but there really shouldn't be a 'guy gets girl' story in the mix as well, when we have a rebellious teenager and a love triangle as tropes already. Girls don't fall in love with you because you want them to.
There's something up with Eleanor. Also, those "next time I see her I'm going to confess my love"-stories are never ending well. It's going to be something traaaagic.
I liked it a lot overall.
One thing that really irritates me (and is cheesy in itself) is the Tripp and Eleanor relationship.
They dat… moreed, she said 'no' in the end, then he concludes he should respect her wishes. Good. But THEN he's all like 'i'm gonna go tell her I love her'?
Maybe it'll work out sensibly, but there really shouldn't be a 'guy gets girl' story in the mix as well, when we have a rebellious teenager and a love triangle as tropes already. Girls don't fall in love with you because you want them to.
episode was very lackluster. for me even more so than the previous episode**
for me the ending sucked. felt unfinished, and not in a cliffhanger kind of way, in a "we lost the last 15 pages of script what do we do?... publish it as is" kind of way
it also seems really easy to tell that choices really don't matter when you sit and think about it, especially if you replay and choose other choices. Some of the dialogue, actions and story just don't make sense when paired with some decisions. It just doesn't seem to flow very well
Not to mention another hour long episode... I looked over at my S1 copy on steam that I got in the deals pre S3 release just for a laugh. I got up to completing episode 3 on the steam playthrough and it's sitting at 6.5 hours played. That's at least 2 hours per episode, and that's for someone that's lost count of the amount of time I've played S1 across PS3, iOS and now Steam as well
Not gonna lie, not really looking forward to the next two episodes. I'll play them because I've paid. Then I'll go back to replaying S1 again
** I say episode as part 1 and 2 are one episode. There was no reason to split them off into two parts (apart from the obvious fact that now they only need to write and deliver 4 episodes in a 5 episode series)
Not interesting new plot ( Joan fight or whatever ).
Obvious plotholes due to rewrites are obvious.
Cringe dialogue that makes me think it was written by a 12 years old girl. Or people who wrote andromeda. Maybe both?
Reusing soundtracks and silent-ass credits ( Lazy-tale in a nutshell )
Other than that, it's pretty okay, I guess? Not worse than EP1, 2, but not telltale's best. But I'm glad most of the people liked it, however, it's kinda sad if they think this redeems EP 1 and 2.
That was David being a authoritative dick; Ava went along with it to make it easier for Clementine to make it on her own and David does reveal that he let Dr. Lingard keep him and he eventually bounced back.
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if instead of the medicine Clementine stole actually working, Ava/Dr. Lingard snuck him small doses of medicine to either cure him under the table or just to keep him comfortable while waiting for him to start dying.
There's just nothing authentic, logical, or sensible about any of this. Kate never says a single thing about her dead daughter (she barely even seems aware of where she is and what's going on around her), and David doesn't seem to care all that much. David directs us to a factory he thinks is safe- but of course the place has no real protection from walkers and the garage door doesn't even open properly. Which makes zero sense, because the place is being used as a storehouse by the raiders; wouldn't they need to open the door regularly? And guard all their stolen stuff (a recurring problem with this season)? They're "David's people" - and yet he has no idea that they're raiding, and they're willing to kill him at the drop of a hat. It's all the fault of a woman named Joan, who I'm sure wasn't even conceived of by the end of Episode 2, simply because they need to keep the New Frontier as antagonists while not making David not quite such a bad guy.
And of course Jesus acts like somebody's OC in some really, really bad self-insert fic. Clementine might as well have just shot him when he tried to open the door, the bullet could have physically bounced off his head, he could have said "Sorry, plot armor", and it would have made exactly as much sense.
This is nonsense. This is just Birdemic quality. This is the exact wrong way to write a story.
I want a soundtrack back. It used to be pretty heavy and reflective when the episodes would end and music would play. Now im abruptly asked to buy something I already own instead. GOtta love that...
I think the only way it'd end up well is if Eleanor was like 'I said no and that's that'.
Otherwise it's going to be extremely cheesy no matter what happens, and not exactly sending a good message. 'If a girl says no to you keep on going after her til she says yes' isn't a great mantra.
There's something up with Eleanor. Also, those "next time I see her I'm going to confess my love"-stories are never ending well. It's going to be something traaaagic.
good god, yes.... it started early-- it's almost like Kate is trying to rape you at this point-- it's like I need to tell her "no" TWO MORE TIMES, AND I need to have a super awkward "isn't she hot" moment with David?!
Then Gabe is all, "you can't hide your love for her from me."
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH. STOP.
JUST. STOP.
episode was very lackluster. for me even more so than the previous episode**
for me the ending sucked. felt unfinished, and not in a clif… morefhanger kind of way, in a "we lost the last 15 pages of script what do we do?... publish it as is" kind of way
it also seems really easy to tell that choices really don't matter when you sit and think about it, especially if you replay and choose other choices. Some of the dialogue, actions and story just don't make sense when paired with some decisions. It just doesn't seem to flow very well
Not to mention another hour long episode... I looked over at my S1 copy on steam that I got in the deals pre S3 release just for a laugh. I got up to completing episode 3 on the steam playthrough and it's sitting at 6.5 hours played. That's at least 2 hours per episode, and that's for someone that's lost count of the amount of time I've played S1 across PS3, iOS and now Steam as well
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Clementine might as well have just shot him when he tried to open the door, the bullet could have physically bounced off his head, he could have said "Sorry, plot armor", and it would have made exactly as much sense.
I disagree with a lot of your message (maybe not most of it-- but a lot). But this made me laugh.
Clem didn't make any effort at all to stop him, and Javi is supposedly the jerk for refusing to let his brother walk in on an ambush. It was just completely lame.
Realistically, he would have yelled, "this angry girl with a gun will kill you, bro! PLEASE FIND ANOTHER WAY!" Instead, Jesus just scowls, basically says "you're a piece of trash," then opens the door with no resistance. Horrible writing.
It's trash.
There's just nothing authentic, logical, or sensible about any of this. Kate never says a single thing about her dead daughte… morer (she barely even seems aware of where she is and what's going on around her), and David doesn't seem to care all that much. David directs us to a factory he thinks is safe- but of course the place has no real protection from walkers and the garage door doesn't even open properly. Which makes zero sense, because the place is being used as a storehouse by the raiders; wouldn't they need to open the door regularly? And guard all their stolen stuff (a recurring problem with this season)? They're "David's people" - and yet he has no idea that they're raiding, and they're willing to kill him at the drop of a hat. It's all the fault of a woman named Joan, who I'm sure wasn't even conceived of by the end of Episode 2, simply because they need to keep the New Frontier as antagonists while not making David not qu… [view original content]
I didn't know how high my expectations were, but that episode was pretty darn good. But on the other hand there are still some flaws cough more clem cough
Overall I liked episode 3 and how there wasn't a clear "bad guy" to me. Even the assholes seem to have some valid reasons behind it. My biggest gripe comes from the whole Javi - Kate - David love triangle that keeps trying to happen no matter how many times I shut it down. Like, I get it, David's a nightmare to be in a relationship with, but that doesn't mean Javi has to swoop in and be the next asshole Kate gets into bed with. I keep trying to play the story as a good brother, surrounded by shitty circumstances, that tries to hold true to Cuban family values if nothing else. The way the story was going however, even down to side conversations like the one between Javi and Tripp, seem hell-bent on forcing me into a love triangle that my version of Javi wouldn't want to be a part of. I backed down from David during the kitchen scene from the two part opener, and every decision made since then has been to remove Javi from any hint of a relationship with his brother's wife. It just seems like Telltale is really trying to use this triangle as a vehicle for a split between the three of them; I just wish there was a more gray option where Javi is simply a friend to Kate as she finds a way to split with David without scarring her son.
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Episode 3 was miles better than the first two, but they really didn't address much more than the length. Javier and his family receive minimal development, and Conrad is a character most won't see develop since he was killed by 80% in the first episode and TT only develops him for the minority, the majority of fans receive nothing more than a stripped down episode, sadly. Nothing much changes if you kill him, other than the character most people killed him for not appearing until late in the episode. It's an overall improvement after the debut, but a disappointing installment in a once great series.
Javier remains as uncompelling as he was in the launch, and David emerges as one of the only likeable members of the Garcia clan. I hope they build on that, he has a lot of potential.
I agree with you.
I honestly actually liked Ep 1 and 2 for what they were and how they brought it all together. I killed Conrad... So I didn't see how his character grows in this ep. But I actually like how he seems to play a part going into the next episode. Instead of just killing him off. I honestly got a great feel for how the politics worked in the New Frontier. I hope they expound upon that in the next episode. Kinda get like a GOT feel a bit to it. In a way. I thought they could have developed it a bit more, but it was interesting nonetheless.
I agree that some people are just looking for excuses to dislike the game at this point. Ep. 3 really developed all of the characters nicely, adding a good/bad David that makes it hard to know what to do really. ITs so tough. The decisions in this episode were very good I thought. Definitely the best episode of the season. Have to let it sit for a bit to see how it ranks as far as the whole series goes.
Yeah, I found that weird that Jesus got all pissy with me. Like she actually fired her gun at the door. She literally would kill David, possibly shoot me.
I agree man! ANF has really done a great job with flashbacks and character development. The ending for the episode was so intense, I feel like I made so many mistakes that I want to go back over and redo. Definitely pumped for the rest of the season. I also hope that they do continue the series after this. It will be interesting to see how they do it, ya know? I don't know how this will end but I do hope that it goes back to a Clem perspective at least for the next season. It would be good to see all of it coming back around.
Yes exactly! It's knowing they have the ability to make them like they used to but have fixed something that was never broke in the first place. Whatever happened to little things like say for example you choose an optional piece of dialogue to say to a character and then he or she will mention what you said a few episodes later? Im not referring to then main choices, i mean just a random line? Because in season 1 you could say the smallest of things and and a character would genuinely remember it where as these days a lot of the time it will say "so and so will remember that" and they just never bring it up again.
I just miss the way they used to make games. It's changed so much and its not a good thing for me
AAAAAAAAAH! I actually shed a tear at that part. It was so unexpected. I didn't think I would get hit in the feels that hard.
I killed Max too, not because I didn't like him. I actually thought he was an alright dude, but I had just "Lucilled the shit out of Badger" as you said, and I thought mercy to one dude after absolutely obliterating another would seem a bit weird.
Is it just me or is anyone else annoyed with the super forceful Kate, Javi, and David love triangle? Lol I get it, we need the drama, but it sucks for those of us who are trying to keep Kate and Javi's relationship strictly platonic.
I do agree with others who have said it: This episode is a step in the right direction. It's better than the first two, I'm happy we were able to see how the Garcias got on the road. I also really enjoyed not being able to truly tell if David was a good guy or not. However, how he sort of implied that Kate and Gabe would be fine with him and that Javi should leave was insulting.
I do wish the cliffhanger had been stronger, but I'm interested to see what happens next!
P.S. reading about everyone's Conrad playthrough is making me jealous haha.
So here we go. 1. Loved the ability to kill Conrad as Javi. (Though David probably should get the honor) 2. Hug Clementine (The feels if you felt nothing here plz seek help) 3. Finally getting answers to what happened between Clem and the NF. (Though we knew it would be something minor blown way out of context ) As to what I hated......#NeedsmoreClem comes to mind but I think we'll get that NXT Ep unless we play as "Paul" or Davids wife. Javi and David are .....tied up so....
But seriously, I really enjoyed this episode. The only complaints I have are more Clementine, longer episodes, hubs, and give me a choice whether I want to be with Kate or not. That's all I ask Telltale.
Props on dealing with Conrad. I actually killed him last episode just because I knew he was a determinant character after that. But you proved me wrong, and choices actually mattered on this one.
I agree about Kate, its come to the point where I care even less about her than I did before, it used to be kinda cute at the start, especially with the "trip to Norway" and such, which seemed innocent enough, but when she keeps on hitting on me every chance she gets, even though I am not interested, and she is basically the same clueless character from the start of the season, same with Gabe, he hasnt really changed at all
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I thought this episode was quite good apart from the ending which was too predictable and the part that didn't makes sense was that if you have Max and he exposes what Joan did and then they condemn her including that leader guy with the cap on I forgot his name, but then Joan talks for only one minute about how they need to survive by doing whatever etc so they change their mind and agree with her and turn against Javi and David just like that.
That was lazy writing, so now I'm sure they'll make it so that we get to kill Joan and either choose some gruesome way or let her die more quietly, just like with every other antagonist, same old story.
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Well it was a step in the right direction no doubt. But if this is what passes for good, Telltale has some seriously low standards.
Cheesy dialogue, god some of these lines were just embarassing. The plot, while finally somewhat intresting, is still hollow in my opinion. The episode felt like it was just going through the motions, even when it was good it was still loose with no real sense of direction. The whole season has been like the writers have just been throwing shit at the wall, and thankfully this time some of it stuck.
Clem is still so shoehorned into this thing, and still the only thing that I care about. Her character has no variation to it, its still just tacked on meaninglessness. and that is by far the biggest problem I have with the season. I made my Clem into one hard as nails survivor, and even though that is now the only Clem we get, she doesn't feel like my Clem. I am really starting to think Telltale is intentionaly trying to destroy her. A five minute flashback and some corny, edgy, and insipid dialouge will never cut it. I need to get back in touch with my Clem not a panel of writers Idea of my Clem.
But there was some good to be found here as well. All the characters are starting to come to life a bit more, the plot while far from perfect now seems to be living and moving. David has been a great addition, but man I don't trust him, I dont think he is lying, but I dont see the NF being a better place under his rule then under the committee's rule or Joan's silent dictatorship.
So while I'm still pretty down on the episode and the season as a whole. My general impression of this episode, well to put in baseball terms, if these episodes were batters, the first two struck out, and this one got hit by a pitch and took a base.
I want a soundtrack back. It used to be pretty heavy and reflective when the episodes would end and music would play. Now im abruptly asked to buy something I already own instead. GOtta love that...
When compared to the first two episodes this 3rd one felt like a great episode lol because the first 2 were so terrible, but it is still like you say has a long way to go before it is ever anywhere near S1 standards as there were still problems especially with the ending. It feels like a small step in the right direction for TellTale but the next episode will be massive for them as it is now make or break time.
I'm not holding my breath though.
I liked it a lot overall.
One thing that really irritates me (and is cheesy in itself) is the Tripp and Eleanor relationship.
They dated, she said 'no' in the end, then he concludes he should respect her wishes. Good. But THEN he's all like 'i'm gonna go tell her I love her'?
Maybe it'll work out sensibly, but there really shouldn't be a 'guy gets girl' story in the mix as well, when we have a rebellious teenager and a love triangle as tropes already. Girls don't fall in love with you because you want them to.
I dunno, she looks like the super-muscular type, whereas Tripp looks more big-framed than muscular.
Yeah, I've been meaning to complain about that myself. Where does Clementine AND thatPaulguy get off?
Opening Flashback
I quite enjoyed the further insight we got with the Garcia family, great use of music and scene work when they were leaving the house. Not much else to say here, a few nods and hints as to how things would eventually turn out in the future. Curious to see how these flashbacks will play a role, even if they do serve as mostly insight and character building.
Opening Present Scene and first half
Here we pick up where we left off, I feel like there was a curveball thrown at me here, the antagonistic role that I figured David would fall into actually wasn't the case, generally he seemed to be an alright, all be it flawed individual, but not the antagonist I was previously expecting him to be. I questioned my previous choice of kissing Kate, Javier was there to take care of everyone in his absence but sometimes I figured that maybe it was time to back off. Kate and Gabe are David's wife and son, not Javier's.
Kate wanting to leave behind David's back was a recipe for disaster and I can already see it turning David against us as he would just think we were the brother that took everything away from him, even before the apocalypse it was implied that Javier was the golden child in the family, not to mention there were problems of pent up jealousy between David and Javier, so If Javier were to try and leave with Kate and Gabe, it would certainly push David over the edge, which is mainly why I stuck to his plan and remained fairly loyal to him this episode, playing the "I'm your brother and i got your back card' with him usually works at keeping him calm. As far as Im concerned, Kate should sort out if she wants to officially break up with David instead of just trying to run off with Javier and Gabe without a second thought since it will look a lot worse on us from David's perspective.
Davids character was one of the things that was intriguing this episode, a connection to Javier's past self and a family member, but not knowing whether to confide in family or your gut feeling was what made it tense. David seems alright for now and relatively an alright guy, but I get a feeling that sense of jealousy from their childhood will resurface in later episodes, hopefully they can work together to take down the corrupted members of TNF, although I wouldn't rule out one of the brothers trying to kill each other, but hopefully its something thats avoidable, maybe the flashbacks with David and Kate will play a factor in that in future episodes. He seems to know whats up between Javier and Kate, but is trying to put it at the back of his head because maybe he doesn't want to believe it.
There was a good sense of getting to know and explore a community, seeing how far things have come since the days of season 1, there are now solid settlements around with many like minded individuals, but with that returns some corrupt politics and intentions of humans from the old times, people turning against people. It's still about survival, but I still think its more about community and world building.
The Motor Inn days where things were a lot less established and a lot more solitary seem to be a thing of the past, things have evolved over the years. I do kind of miss how desperate and how high the stakes seemed back in the season 1 and 2 days however.
In regards to Tripp, I'm wondering what his reaction would be if/when he finds out what I did to Conrad, hopefully he doesn't find out because I personally think the guy is pretty likeable, he has a temper, but he's a good guy at heart, cant necessarily disagree at the fact that he reminds me of a younger and more level headed Kenny, especially when he got knocked on his ass. Although Im quite pleased with how Conrad gets treated this episode if you keep him alive, he can live or die in this episode and he has a good moment with Badger if you let Conrad kill him, good move there Telltale. Didn't see too much of Eleanor this episode, I like her, but not much more to say about her, my opinion is still the same from ties that bind part 1 and 2, still wondering if she will be a potential partner for Javi, but for me that seems unlikely, maybe for other players its a possibility. Feels like if you end up with either there will be ramifications for both, Go with Kate and David will obviously want to hate your guts, Go with Eleanor and that stirs things up with Tripp especially since he wanted to tell Eleanor his true feelings for her, I could also see Kate feeling abandoned and pissed off.
The scene with TNF leaders was particularly well done, biting my tongue on Marianna's death was hard, but I tried to not screw things up with David and play along.
Second half of the episode, Clementine's Flashback
Being forced back out on to the road I finally felt like the stakes were higher for survival, not being able to depend on the walls of the community had me a little more on edge, we get to see how Javier behaves on his own two feet without his family around, which was good.
Then the part I was particularly anticipating arrived, Clementine's entry into the episode. Her flashback scene with AJ was particularly well done, her goodbye to him had me a little misty eyed, mostly because I remembered the promises I made to the season 2 characters to take care of him. Hearing him speak his first word was really crushing as you were forced to leave your only connection to Clem's attachment to all the characters in Season 2 behind.
Then 'Goodbye' from Season 1 started to play as she then said that she thought AJ would finally be the one who didn't die.. It kind of hit home for me since to me the only person she could have been thinking of in that moment was Lee. Instinctively the Inner Lee in me re emerged from Season One, without haste I chose the [Hug Clem] option, this was the highlight of the episode for me, something Im wanting to see more out of ANF and Clem's development. It's great to see Clementine slowly open up more and more each episode, sadly it does still feel like her role is very minimal at the moment, I'm hoping her quest to find AJ plays a larger role in future episodes.
I'd still like to see some more Javier and Clementine teamwork/ moments, even a chilled scene where they just talk around a campfire, maybe share a few laughs, focus a little more on the smaller things, even if its just for a brief few moments, it makes those kind of scenes feel extra special. When the characters can just forget about the matter at hand and just be themselves, even if it is short lived, its great to see play out. Hopefully this gets touched on in future episodes.
The whole scuffle that ensued with Badger and Max, particularly the scene where we get the choice what to do with Badger, there wasn't really a grey area with it, Badger was the lowest of the low, a scumbag, couldn't say the same for Max, he had some redeemable qualities, so I kept him around, later on I was glad to see he assisted in telling the truth, wondering what his role in episode 4 will be.
Overall near the end I was glad there were more opportunities to branch out the story with the multiple different styled endings, the ending of the episode where Javier and David get locked up didn't particularly leave my jaw dropping and felt like a rather straightforward ending compared to previous season cliffhangers, but the rest of the episode made up for it, a good step in the right direction for Telltale.
Yeah, I kinda raised an eyebrow at that myself. "Finally trying to have a point there, Tripp? Good...oh, it basically revolves around Eleanor. ...K."
There's something up with Eleanor. Also, those "next time I see her I'm going to confess my love"-stories are never ending well. It's going to be something traaaagic.
It doesn't make any sense that the NF refuses to cure AJ, takes him away from Clementine and kicks her out. No sense at all. Zero, nada, niente.
episode was very lackluster. for me even more so than the previous episode**
for me the ending sucked. felt unfinished, and not in a cliffhanger kind of way, in a "we lost the last 15 pages of script what do we do?... publish it as is" kind of way
it also seems really easy to tell that choices really don't matter when you sit and think about it, especially if you replay and choose other choices. Some of the dialogue, actions and story just don't make sense when paired with some decisions. It just doesn't seem to flow very well
Not to mention another hour long episode... I looked over at my S1 copy on steam that I got in the deals pre S3 release just for a laugh. I got up to completing episode 3 on the steam playthrough and it's sitting at 6.5 hours played. That's at least 2 hours per episode, and that's for someone that's lost count of the amount of time I've played S1 across PS3, iOS and now Steam as well
Not gonna lie, not really looking forward to the next two episodes. I'll play them because I've paid. Then I'll go back to replaying S1 again
** I say episode as part 1 and 2 are one episode. There was no reason to split them off into two parts (apart from the obvious fact that now they only need to write and deliver 4 episodes in a 5 episode series)
I was scratching my head at that part. Very forced scene for drama's sake.
Not interesting new plot ( Joan fight or whatever ).
Obvious plotholes due to rewrites are obvious.
Cringe dialogue that makes me think it was written by a 12 years old girl. Or people who wrote andromeda. Maybe both?
Reusing soundtracks and silent-ass credits ( Lazy-tale in a nutshell )
Other than that, it's pretty okay, I guess? Not worse than EP1, 2, but not telltale's best. But I'm glad most of the people liked it, however, it's kinda sad if they think this redeems EP 1 and 2.
That was David being a authoritative dick; Ava went along with it to make it easier for Clementine to make it on her own and David does reveal that he let Dr. Lingard keep him and he eventually bounced back.
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if instead of the medicine Clementine stole actually working, Ava/Dr. Lingard snuck him small doses of medicine to either cure him under the table or just to keep him comfortable while waiting for him to start dying.
This.. I actually sided with David almost all of the time in the episode except for the Clementine AJ thing
Enjoyed this episode a lot. Loving the characters developments and the actions.. so intense and fun!
I liked the episode, but Clem deserves more screentime
It's trash.
There's just nothing authentic, logical, or sensible about any of this. Kate never says a single thing about her dead daughter (she barely even seems aware of where she is and what's going on around her), and David doesn't seem to care all that much. David directs us to a factory he thinks is safe- but of course the place has no real protection from walkers and the garage door doesn't even open properly. Which makes zero sense, because the place is being used as a storehouse by the raiders; wouldn't they need to open the door regularly? And guard all their stolen stuff (a recurring problem with this season)? They're "David's people" - and yet he has no idea that they're raiding, and they're willing to kill him at the drop of a hat. It's all the fault of a woman named Joan, who I'm sure wasn't even conceived of by the end of Episode 2, simply because they need to keep the New Frontier as antagonists while not making David not quite such a bad guy.
And of course Jesus acts like somebody's OC in some really, really bad self-insert fic. Clementine might as well have just shot him when he tried to open the door, the bullet could have physically bounced off his head, he could have said "Sorry, plot armor", and it would have made exactly as much sense.
This is nonsense. This is just Birdemic quality. This is the exact wrong way to write a story.
Same lol. Every time the credits are about to come, I expect a song because I'm used to Season 1 and 2 having them.
I think the only way it'd end up well is if Eleanor was like 'I said no and that's that'.
Otherwise it's going to be extremely cheesy no matter what happens, and not exactly sending a good message. 'If a girl says no to you keep on going after her til she says yes' isn't a great mantra.
good god, yes.... it started early-- it's almost like Kate is trying to rape you at this point-- it's like I need to tell her "no" TWO MORE TIMES, AND I need to have a super awkward "isn't she hot" moment with David?!
Then Gabe is all, "you can't hide your love for her from me."
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH. STOP.
JUST. STOP.
Great point. Episode one and two just seemed like one thing. Three finally felt like it was its own thing.
I disagree with a lot of your message (maybe not most of it-- but a lot). But this made me laugh.
Clem didn't make any effort at all to stop him, and Javi is supposedly the jerk for refusing to let his brother walk in on an ambush. It was just completely lame.
Realistically, he would have yelled, "this angry girl with a gun will kill you, bro! PLEASE FIND ANOTHER WAY!" Instead, Jesus just scowls, basically says "you're a piece of trash," then opens the door with no resistance. Horrible writing.
I didn't know how high my expectations were, but that episode was pretty darn good. But on the other hand there are still some flaws cough more clem cough
You mean Badger right?
Overall I liked episode 3 and how there wasn't a clear "bad guy" to me. Even the assholes seem to have some valid reasons behind it. My biggest gripe comes from the whole Javi - Kate - David love triangle that keeps trying to happen no matter how many times I shut it down. Like, I get it, David's a nightmare to be in a relationship with, but that doesn't mean Javi has to swoop in and be the next asshole Kate gets into bed with. I keep trying to play the story as a good brother, surrounded by shitty circumstances, that tries to hold true to Cuban family values if nothing else. The way the story was going however, even down to side conversations like the one between Javi and Tripp, seem hell-bent on forcing me into a love triangle that my version of Javi wouldn't want to be a part of. I backed down from David during the kitchen scene from the two part opener, and every decision made since then has been to remove Javi from any hint of a relationship with his brother's wife. It just seems like Telltale is really trying to use this triangle as a vehicle for a split between the three of them; I just wish there was a more gray option where Javi is simply a friend to Kate as she finds a way to split with David without scarring her son.