After playing episode 3 it is even more apparent that
After playing episode 3 it is even more apparent that Clementine's story should have ended at the end of season 2. I won't give any spoilers as far as what happened in the episode since it was just released but I'll just say that Clementine again serves very little purpose in the story and it is even more obvious that she is being shoe horned into the plot as an out of universe marketing tool.
Clementine had a very nice and neat go off into the sunset type of ending to her story at the end of season 2 but since they decided to continue on with her story she is just a character that walks around with the group and occasionally will have a line or two.
I honestly am really hoping that this is the last season for Clementine as it doesn't seem like they have much of a plan for her character anylonger.
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What you're saying isn't true, if anything Clementine's plot is one of the more major driving forces of this episode. It serves a huge purpose to the overall story
I disagree, Clementine is one of the only interesting characters in A New Frontier, I think its really nice to see how she has changed over the years, and show how noone can remain innocent forever in this world, Clementine is bordering the line between humanity alot, because of the things she has seen, and the things she had to do, but deep inside she is still a good person, but she has realized that you cant always get around by being a good person.
Frankly, I wouldnt even be interested in A New Frontier if it wasnt for Clementine, since her character is the reason I was interested in this series to begin with, and the reason I still play. So I am quite disappointed that we get to play Mister Baseball instead of Clementine, but I know my opinion is one against many, but I also think that alot of people share my opinion, maybe not in relation to how they portray Clementines character, but the fact that Clementine has been the main focus of the games since season 1, and had that taken partly away from her in A New Frontier, I am not a fan
Have to totally disagree. It makes very little sense for Clementine to be in this story when the only reason they give her for being in the story is she is vowing revenge on the people she thinks harmed AJ. Maybe it would have made since if this game was meant to take place around the same location that season 2 ended (around Wellington or where Howe's store is) but we are several states away from those two points. The only real reason Clementine is even in Virginia right now is because the story of these new characters is in Virginia and they need Clementine in the game as well to help market it.
If they were going to have Clementine in Virginia they should have given a reason why she headed off for Virginia. But they havn't done that at all.
Clem shows up on the side of the road, tells us about Aj, then talks to David about Aj for 10 seconds, then disappears during that whole fight scene, and then leaves to find Aj. (determinedly she is with us at the start but doesnt say or do anything until a moment before David takes us away and then repeat what I just said)
Maybe its me, but I dont see how that is desperately needed and a major driving force for the plot
I would be all for Clementine being in the story if there was an in universe logical reason for her being in the story. However there isn't one. The only reason they have given for her being in the game is because well the fans like her.
It would make since for her being in the story now if say for instance she had heard stories of large communities around the Virginia area and was trying to get there with AJ. But nope. Not a lick of that.
They also didnt explain why Clem wanted to go to Richmond.
It seemed super clear that she REALLY wanted to go to Richmond, which is why everyone assumed it was because Aj was there. But as we see she thought Aj was dead, so why exactly was Clem in Virginia and why did she want to get to Richmond so bad?
Well, by that logic you can literally exclude everyone from having a role in any story.
Clementine is there to teach oh-so-green Javier that you can just get by in this world on lullabies and weed like they have been doing, its a harsh world, and at the start of the season, Javier and family was completely clueless about how to even act in the world, despite surviving for 4 years on their own, which is frankly a huge problem with this game, Javier and his family just seems competely inept at doing anything logical in this world despite surviving for 4 years, "oh, a trailer full of food and matresses that is obviously lived in? why dont we steal their shit and sleep in their bed", anyone surviving for 4 years would know, that there is no such "huge stashes" of loot left, unless someone is living there.
The only one who has even remotely learned anything about surviving proper is Javier, because he has spent time with Clementine, who seems to be the only person with sense in the whole group
Why is Clem in Virginia?
Because
Unfortunately all she found was Gabe and his Cup of Noodles.
And it was then that she knew...his heart was already taken.
Tune in next time for the Young and the Ramen.
I don't necessarily agree or disagree, but they need to stop making major decisions based around her. I had to play through the first two episodes again tonight because my saves became FUBAR somehow, and the decision to stay with her at the junkyard is about 70%, the decision to kill Conrad is sitting at 91% or some such, and after playing this episode, the decision to try and save AJ is at about 81%. If they really want us to make challenging choices (like the last one in this episode, which is about 50/50 right now) then they should let her play her role and keep all the decisions based around Javier and his family. Javier the character is just getting to know Clementine, but WE already do. Of course we're going to be sentimental about her.
That would still not be a good reason to shoehorn Clementine into the game though. There are tons of characters that could have fit that role. They didn't need to take Clementine from Michigan or Tennessee (or wherever) to Virginia just to do that. In order for her to have a reason for being in the game there needs to be a good in universe reason that had something to do with her own personal journey and why she is even in the location she is now. As of now there isn't one.
I dont mind clementine in new frontier but shes definitly a b plot in the story. You could remove her entirely and nothing would change, same with Jesus. They are there purely to draw in the fanbase and thats it
No she had no reason to be in this game but that not a enough reason to end her story in season two she still yong and can have a lot of character improvment but TNF and season two are didn't fullfil this goal why cus TT fails of writing a good story for a little girl that something need talented writers like season one writers or naughtydog writers
I'd have to disagree. Clementine seems a major part of the plot and I want to see her story continue. Sure literally anyone could have her role but why not have it be Clementine? It works and I'm happy with it.
It's more and more obvious how this season is trying to get rid of Clem. Conrad, someone that most people killed, actually SURVIVED the entire episode, and wasn't even disabled in some way. How often does that even happen? Almost never, determinants are known to be dead men walking, but for some reason, Telltale decided to give an unusually extended role for a person that most people didn't chose to save. Why?
I feel that Telltale did it because they want to encourage players to pick the anti-Clementine option. Clem got very little time for the first half of the episode, then some stuff that focused on AJ, and her showing her hatred for these people that the player is encouraged not to share. The game wants the player to side with Javier and his family, not Clem.
We look at the story and, again, what changed did season's 1 and 2 have on Clem? None that I can see. Nobody is asking that though, cause everyone has gotten used to the New Frontier group, which is great, for Telltale. It means that players are getting used to her diminished status. Really looks like they want Season 3 to be the last time they have Clem in the series.
when it was season 2 in the end i went to wellinghton i would do anything just to see 50 secs of kenny in the game i mean i wish in episode 4 or 5 he appears
Sure, but did you complain about the same when Kenny showed up in season 2, why would he be there? why would you meet your squadmates in Mass effect half way across the galaxy when the chances of meeting them are slim to none? because people care, the game is more personal if a character you know is in the game, and alot of people have alot of emotional investment in Clementine, and will go very far to protect her (yeah yeah, she is a fictional character, but whats the point of fiction if you dont immerse yourself?), frankly, I dont really care about Javiers family, because the game has given me no real reason to, but Clementine, I would lay Javiers life down to save her
Yes Kenny was shoe horned in as well. They at least gave an in universe reason for him being there though in that he was heading north as well looking for Wellington (same as Clementine and Christa).
Clems story could have been fucking awesome but did you Forget about the season 2 endings? Clems company family? The WAS HYPED UP Willington that we couldn't fucking see what's inside of it literally man this is fucking stupid Javi's story must not have been included to this series it's just a cop-out
Go from eagerely anticipating playing as Clem and wondering where her story will go. To feeling she exists SOLELY to be an emotional death or something.
ANF is entirely Javier's story about his family and "how far will you go to protect them", Telltale said it themselves. Clementine's serving as a money bait.
And this is a major problem to me, I dont really care about Javiers family, they are oblivious to the world, they dont understand how it works, and frankly theyre a bit annoying.
Clementine on the other hand, is my favorite character in video games, we have followed her since she was 8, and I will do anything to protect her.
If anything I hope this season can lead into another story about Clementine, and her learning to trust people again, since she has started trusting Javier, but doesnt really trust anyone else.
This side character thing isn't working. A new game where Clementine has a lot of time and development probably will work though, but I agree that season 2 was a good send off and it could have ended there.
I hope they will lead this season into another story about Clem down the line, perhaps make TWD season 3, which would continue her story after A New Frontier, she currently has alot of trouble trusting people and opening up (for good reason), and I would like to play as her again some day.
God damn, Clementine is my favorite character in a game, and I want to protect her, if Telltale kill her off, I dont think ill be interested in TWD games anymore, since the reason I am playing in the first place is because I liked the idea of protecting Clementine in season 1
Which absolutely won't happen. I will be surprised if she isn't killed off on this series.
Looking back it seems like some marketing smuck probably figured there was a chance they could make an extra 15 cents if they went this route instead. Think about it....after the first few episodes are out there will be an extremely small amount of people who will now buy this knowing they don't really need the first two seasons to follow it. Clem feels like she exists solely to die now. Why else have her there? They obviously can't do the whole oh look its Clem thing for yet another series after this. So shes probably dead IMO.
Exactly, I couldn't care less about Javi or his family which is very annoying. Because I COULD be more inclined to care if their story was seperate to Clems. Nope, instead the game creates this weird dynamic where I side with Clem about everything. Ugh.
Why wouldnt they be able to put her back in the lead role for a new season? its not like switching main character is a new thing for TWD, and just switching back to her wont automatically make it a copy of season 2, she is older now.
Also, if they just kill Clementine off like that, whats the point? They will probably never be able to top Lees death anyways, and if they kill Clementine I will probably just feel annoyed or angry rather than sad, because A New Frontier is supposed to be for "new players", but lets be honest here, why would you not play the previous games if youre interested, also, I doubt there is a huge influx of new players, since Telltale is pretty niche, and everyone who cares about their type of games are probably already here, and Clementine is the reason why alot of people are even playing A New Frontier.
Telltale would be pretty dumb if they kill their golden goose, rather than making another game about her down the line
Believe me, I WANT that to happen.
Why kill her? Well why did they switch us over to someone else? At the very least make it like Tales from the Borderlands where she was also playable in a main role. But they chose this route instead. Why are we playing as some new family when the main person we cared about is a supporting character? Its strange....her involvement even feels forced at that.
At this point id prefer it to all be some kind of trick. Like season 3 with Clem actually does exist and ANF was orignally not supposed to have her in it or something.
I just don't think it makes any sense for them to switch us to somebody else only to give her back to us after. I hope thats EXACTLY what happens. However I expect that not to be the case.
Personally at this point... I want them to kill Clem in episode 5 and leave TWD there. It's just gone progressively downhill since S1 in terms of story, character dev, emotional investment... virtually every way it can go down it has. Sure I'll probably be angry if they did, but to be honest anger is the only emotion this game has made me feel so far. Angry at David, angry at Badger (baseball bat was satisfying though) angry at Max, angry at Joan. Just want them all to die
I didn't hold out much hope for episode 3 (aka episode 2 as part 1 and 2 should have been 1 release) when in the first 5 minutes you tell the kids "we'll leave in the morning" and then in the very next scene you all walk out to leave... at night... sigh
The biggest gripe I have so far is it's just - for whatever reason - a bit lackluster. I literally don't have a great emotional investment in the characters or the game. I want some people to just leave, i don't care if they live or die. starting to care less for Kate, didn't care about AJ to even think of injecting him or saying goodbye (preferred spitting in David's face). There's just nothing. S1 episode 1 was the reason I bought the season pass immediately after finishing the episode. This season I bought the pass expecting something, but that's now turned into me just playing it because I've started so I'll finish
Yeah, I kinda realized they could've swapped her out with, idk, Ava and still get a relatively similar story.
Clementine is starting to feel more natural to me at this point, and I didn't agree with her quite a bit during the third episode. She keeps leaving but I want her to stay gone or stay with the group. I never found Clementine herself to be that interesting really, but her story and the people around her were very compelling. I was hoping for either Kenny or Jane being playable and taking on the season as a duo.
I believe Telltale may have made a big mistake with A New Frontier, it would have been alot better as a spinoff, with a game titled Season 3 being a proper continuation of Clementines story, I dont mind new characters, but when Clementine is in the game, she is all I care about, she is the one I want to protect, the one I want to support, Michonne was interesting to me, because it was an all new cast, it wasnt as nice as season 1 and 2, because my main interest still lies with Clementine, but I could play it properly because it was a sidestory without Clementine.
I just hope that Telltale will figure out a way to keep this series going in a good way, with Clementine, as its probably one of my favorite series, but I am not the happiest about what direction its taken right now, and depending on where it goes, I might just abandon ship
Like a couple others have said it would be EXTREMELY surprising if after this game they turned around and made Clem the main focus of the story again in a later game. Like others have said I think they are planning some real emotional death for her or they are setting her up to ride off into the sunset (which they already had with the Wellington or Howe's store ending).
The only reason I wouldn't want Clem anymore is because I just don't want her to grow up. Her older versions always end up growing on me, but still.
Other than throwing a bare bone to old fans there is zero reason for clementine to be in ANF. She's barely in the story and contributes very little when she does appear and that's it. Not to mention she's only "playable" for 2 minutes a episode.
If clem wasn't going to be the mc they should've never had her in this season. It was a mistake to have her in the new frontier because she's mostly a side character. Like how jane was. She showed up, stayed for a little while, then left. When she returned she was in the final episode but it wasn't that long as far as I can remember. Playing as clem for a few seconds or a minute in a flashback that doesn't last that long isn't good enough and isn't fair to the people who wanted to play as her. The new frontier would've been better off without clem because of how minor her relevance is and because her story is just intertwined in a bigger story. Of which she doesn't have much to do with. Clem's story is basically a rescue mission. Clem at best might have one episode mostly about her.
I don't think that the developers wanted another season of clem meeting a group, getting attached and everyone dies. Basically it had happened to her in the first episode, in between the first and second with AJ's parents, the second episode, and in between the second and third with the new frontier. Anyone at that point would not want to be around people anymore.
So they made her part of the story as opposed to the whole story. One of the things the walking dead is about how people react to each other when we are no longer the top of the food chain. That can't happen when someone has given up on being around others altogether.
That being said there are three options by the end of the season; 1. her faith is restored in humanity, 2. She walks off alone again, 3. She dies.
I think it would be interesting to see how Javi's choices may influence what happens to her.