The thing that bothers all the Clem fans the most....
Javi's story isnt bad, but i think all this should've been a spin-off like Michonne and s3 should've focused on ONLY Clem's story because after playing/watching the flashback sequences about what happened to Clem, I think s3 would've been more impact-full and had more potential if it was all about her surviving (according to her final whereabout in s2 finale)
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Yeah, I said this a few hours ago on a different thread:
"If they actually did this it would be its own stand-alone game. If Clementine + AJ wasn't involved in the story at all in ANF, then this might of well have been a similar Michonne story. I think it would have been a good step in the direction so they could actually focus on our S2 EP5 endings for SEASON 3."
The story in ANF isn't down-right terrible, there are some very well done sections like saving Conrad. But it's still a slap in the face to have this new story with a completely different person when all of S1 and S2 has been with Clementine.
I think it would be best to make ANF non-canon and to think about rewinding. That's what I'd do in this situation even if it'd piss off a ton of people.
True I always felt that as well. Very very rare for a series to ditch it's top protagonists and leap frog around to different unknown characters. It'd be like if Batman was replaced with the adventures of commissioner Gordon's assistant or Alfred the butler. Then seeing Batman from his perspective instead of Batman himself. I feel the only folks that defend Telltale's switch up to Javier seem to just have been against Clem being main character from the beginning because she was either too childish for anything or too adult for everything else when it's not realistically believable. Had Lee lived up until this point in this story I doubt they'd have ditched him for someone less cool and a bit generic. But I believe they said in the behind the scenes footage that they always intended for Lee to pass on in season one from day one anyhow. Javier had nothing to really do with Clem or Lee for years until that one night on the road happened. Javier's story would of made major more logic of it were just a spin off of the main video game series. Like fear is with the TV series. Then for a real adequate season three to emerge have Javier and Clem meetup at the third season premier with Javier being a simple couple episode cameo appearance like the 400 days group.
Javi and his family's tale could kind of had been summarized into 4 episode DLC spin off instead of the pointless but still okay Michonne filler. then have a truly great season 4 with 6 episodes each running at 2 hours. Then throw in the towel with the games and have Clem joining the comics cast with maybe Jesus. Would of been my ideal vision for the games but atleast we would still get Javier if we must and Clem gets the final closure to her gaming career.
I wouldn't say this is what bothered me the most as a fan of Clementine; I'm just disappointed at how they treated the characters from the previous seasons. It feels like Clementine was just tossed in there because her story could have been played by any other child character, really. The flashbacks felt rushed, and had a rating between not good enough to just plain awful. Like in episode 3 when Clementine wanted to give AJ the medicine, Clementine made the stupid decision to try injecting AJ right around the group instead of grabbing the medicine and leaving to a more secluded area. Even if you decide not to inject AJ, the reaction is a big "How could you?! You're done here! And we're taking the baby!" It just doesn't make sense and seemed force just to include conflict. So yeah, I feel like Clementine's just involved this season to keep some of us content. I don't mind her being a side character, but have her feel like she belongs rather than a favor to old players.
She deserves more than this.
First let me say this. This is not S3. It is called ANF for a reason. To set it apart from the previous games as to be welcomeing. to noobs. Secondly I am a huge Clem fan, and I wish we would just STFU sometimes and let the story come to us. We are all reacting to an unfinished. product. That hardly seems fair. And finally I'll end this way I want to control Clem always,but that may never be a thing again if we as a community don't start treating TTG staff better on Social media..
I always thought it would have been better as a spinoff, since I will pretty much always support Clementine (not only because she is Clem, but because I agree with her way of handling most things), and if Clem hadnt been in the season, making choices would be alot harder, and I would probably care more about the other characters.
As it is now, we get a decent (albeit unsatisfying) continuation of Clems story, and a new story that I am not terribly keen about, since I care about Clems story. Now, I am not one of those people that say that A New Frontier is garbage just because Clem isnt the main character, I think its decent fun, however, Clementine is my favorite character, her relationship with Lee and elevating to protagonist in season 2 was the reason I even started playing this series, I love her character, she is pretty similar to Ellie from TLoU, who I also love, and I think that throwing Clementines story in the background is a bit of a waste.
I just hope that a potential season 4 will feature Clementine as the protagonist again, since that was by far my favorite part about season 2
The different point of view is surely interesting, however Clementine's story was abandoned after a great finale, without the definite ending which would allow the franchise to move on. Instead, the multiple endings just complicated everything and confused us, while we were so involved and emotional. TT's rushed to fix that, but flashbacks turned out to be non-climatic and redundant. It's Javier's story and Clem doesnt fit, it's obvious, but she had to appear because of her icon status which represents the games. Too bad we can't count on proper tributes of everyone who had helped her survive, as Clementine seems to forget everything and not bother the newcomers, who enjoy their times shooting at things and people.
Okay since your making that claim. Where is this stated? I see no reason for TT to take this sneaky snake like approach with ANF if season 3 actually is something else ENTIRELY.
Clem does thing my own would never decide to do. But this also creates an obnoxious situation where I feel forced to agree with Clem no matter what. I think that totally ruins part of the story development for me.
Take end of Ep1 choice. I felt 100% obligated to side with the stranger to Javi over the family. Ugh.
I found staying with Clem to be the logical choice in episode 1, even when I am thinking about it without bias, Kate and Gabe had Tripp/Eleanor to help, Clementine was all alone, she also helped you (even if for a truck)
It does feel like they are trying to fit too much into this game...which is made even worse by the short episodes. I would definitely like it more if they just focused on Javi's story for the whole game, then picked up with Clem in the next game instead of trying to fit 2 stories in 1.
Ironically, this is a situation where they should have realized the game is too big and break it into 2 games. (Sound familiar, Telltale?)
Everyone hates ANF because they thought Clementine would be more involved and they (the fans) focused on nothing but her. They set themselves up for disappointment.
Oh yeah, that S3 teaser, where she was centered & the main focus on the picture, wasn't leading the fans at all.
Nope, it wasn't.
We see JAVIER!!!! HE was the main focus on the trailer/teaser, not Clementine. People, as I stated earlier, focused on her WAAAAY too much.
Who do you see first in the trailer? And who was in the center of the frame?
Tip: It wasn't Javi
And the part where they called her a co-lead and 'playable'. Didn't help much either. Also the 42 different versions of her.
We must have watched a completely different trailer, because she's literally the first person revealed in the trailer, as it does a slow pan from the barrel of a gun to reveal her holding it, then some dude with a brand on his neck stands next to her, with her in the foreground of the shot. You'll have to post this exclusive E3 trailer sometime.
Doesn't mean fuck-all.
Look, Clementine may have been the firs tone seen, but that DOES NOT mean she was the main focus.
It was more or so a thing saying "she's here, but this new guy IS the main focus of the game".
Don't be a nerd about it.
You're actually a prime example; you focused on Clementine. Then that 'dude with a brand on his neck' came about, when HE was actually a main focus. We are given ideas for questions like, 'who is this guy?', 'what's his story?', 'why is he there?', etc.
I'm being a nerd about it because you lack the observation skills to identify, or even the fundamental idea of, who the focus of a shot is?
I took photography classes and have been in English classes and technology classes.
Dude, I practically have observation implanted into my brain. I've also learned not to set my expectations too high.
Don't try to insult me too much, either. Although Clementine was in the foreground, that does not mean she is the actual focus in the trailer. The focus was on her AT FIRST, but as soon as Javi was in the picture, the focus started to go to him and the camera traveled with him and tilted up to his level.
Resident Evil: Code VEronica, came out before Resident Evil 3. I don't think its sneaky at all. When Fear the Walking Dead came out did you think that was season five of the Walking Dead. No. Because it had a different name. That's why we name stuff to differentiate one from the other. Clem could have had multiple endings from season two so they would have had to make two whole separate games to be able to really continue her story. It was cheaper to put a couple flashbacks into a new story.
Resident Evil: Code VEronica, came out before Resident Evil 3. I don't think its sneaky at all. When Fear the Walking Dead came out did you think that was season five of the Walking Dead. No. Because it had a different name. That's why we name stuff to differentiate one from the other. Clem could have had multiple endings from season two so they would have had to make two whole separate games to be able to really continue her story. It was cheaper to put a couple flashbacks into a new story.
Resident Evil: Code VEronica, came out before Resident Evil 3. I don't think its sneaky at all. When Fear the Walking Dead came out did you think that was season five of the Walking Dead. No. Because it had a different name. That's why we name stuff to differentiate one from the other. Clem could have had multiple endings from season two so they would have had to make two whole separate games to be able to really continue her story. It was cheaper to put a couple flashbacks into a new story.
But Telltale referred to this as "Season 3" almost everywhere and even the Steam file name has "Season 3" in it.
Let's not forget the "no character will take the backseat", yet Clem isn't even a main character anymore. She was replaced by Javier.
Android also
Telltale put Clem in the corner. Nobody puts Clem in the corner.
Telltale: (Puts Clem in the corner.)
Well I sure as hell haven't played two whole seasons just to suddenly care about some random dude.
Not sure what your talking about here. Everything has indicated that ANF is technically season 3 but it seems some hopefuls are saying it's not. Then some like you outright stating its not like its a fact. Preeetty sure TT has referred to ANF as season 3 at least a few times. But regardless even if there actually was a season 3 and it was NOT ANF. How in the world would that not be sneaky? If thats the case they basically worded their comments so intentionally unclear so that everyone would think this was season 3 and buy it. Only to then sell to the new comers who will then have it make clear by all the commotion that this is something new entirely. If that ISN"T sneaky IDK what is. But as it stands right now. There is little reason to assume ANF isn't season 3 and the approach to it was without a doubt sneaky. I think it was fair to assume this would be like TFTBL with Javi and Clem. Not that Clem would be a forced side character.
Theres a debate for that, sure.
However I still don't like the forced feeling Clem gives me. Take Conrad for instance. I ALWAYS take the good guy passive route. But because it was Clem I totally shot him. I mean seriously they couldn't of even had a bluff option? Makes it even more annoying is ppl have said that choice matters not ONE bit as to how Clem perceives Javi (which is nonsense) so killing Conrad totally seems like the wrong choice. I consider any choices that kill characters off before their possible time to be the wrong one. Max dialogue/context is my goal. You kill off a character who seems to last all of ep3 as well if im not mistaken. lmao the ONE time it totally seems like sparing someone matters and it's that forced feeling situation.
Who knows maybe there will be a s1ep4 Kenny type thing where she gives the rundown on everytime you had her back.
I totally agree, I dont like the pressure Clem puts on choices, which is why I feel that A New Frontier should have been a spinoff or new series with Javier, and Clementines story would continue in a numbered format with season 3.
I really hope that they bring up the Conrad choice later in a question of loyalty towards Clementine or something, since atm, I am regretting shooting Conrad more and more, since Clem is apparently still all buddy buddy with people who sold her out (which is bullshit), I had the idea that episode 5 is probably a war for Richmond, and I was hoping that your choices would mean which side youre on, or who will help you, for example, if you sold out Clem, you have the possibility of having Conrad on your side (if he doesnt die), but if you helped Clementine, she will help you out.
Honestly, I miss back in season 1, where peoples disposition towards you would visibly change depending on your choices, such as Kenny being mad at you when you sided alot with Larry.
I really hope we get a season 1 type deal where the people supporting you is depending on your choices (although in that case I am probably fucked, since noone except Clem seemed to like my treatment of Badger)
To simplify it. I feel like we should be playing these characters AS if we are them. Yeah as obvious as that sounds but I mean invest in it.
The whole Lee thing in season one and looking out for Clem. Then transitioning into controlling her in season 2 was one of the most innovative ways of telling a story i've experienced in any video game of recent. A video game managing to tell a unique story and ties you to the wellbeing of a character to where it would actually impact you. To........THIS. A situation where it's impossible to recreate that same investment for Javis family (at least for me) because all I really care about is making sure I do what Clem wants.
They probably thought it was some really good idea at first but they totally underdid the thinking with that one. No WONDER you have people outright thinking ANF is a side game and not actually season 3. I sure hope SOMEHOW that's true.
The guy holding the camera is the main focus of that 50 cent gif.
Yeah, I think the transition from Protecting Clementine, to playing her was a great idea, especially after the traumatic event she went through in season 1's ending, it really made you question whether or not being "the good guy" was always the right choice, since Lee was "A good guy" at least for me, and it actually made me so invested in Clementines character that I made choices "as her" instead of for her, if that makes sense.
And youre right, I dont feel the same investment in A New Frontier characters, they havent gotten nearly the same amount of character people like Kenny had, and Clementine being there but not the main character is another conflict of interest, (although I appreciate that her story continues, I dont want them to stop her story like some people want), I am just not as invested in the New Frontier characters like I was season 1 and 2.
I started playing this series because I thought Clementine and the concept of her and Lee was an interesting concept, and Clementine is one of my favorite characters in video games, and what I am invested in in A New Frontier is Clementine and AJ's safety, but I dont feel like I am very close with Clementine the way I was in season 1 and 2, since she is essentially still a stranger to Javier, which I find kinda sad, since I really want to invest myself in Clementines character and her motives again, but the game doesnt really give me that chance
Now I just imagine Lee putting season 1 Clem in the corner because she licked the salt lick
I searched through all the shit on my PS4, and the only three associated with A New Frontier is episode three. The hard drive calls it ANF, the store calls it ANF, so I call it ANF.