Why is a new frontier hated so much?
I'm sorry but I agree a new frontier has flaws such as the lack of clementine However I am very confused why everyone hates a new frontier so much just because of Kennys death it's a good game and doesn't deserve all the criticism it gets
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To be honest I can't see any valid criticism of the season I feel as though everyone is just comparing it to the first season which is harsh due to it being so good
First of all, Telltale lied to consumers about a LOT leading up to the release. Like, so many blatant lies that many fans feel rightfully disrespected from the get-go.
Second of all, this season in general is very short, rushed, and lacking in soul. It ultimately feels like a rather empty installment while steadily getting rid of Kenny/Jane/Clem/any relation to past seasons.
I find it hard to believe that you don't know why people hate A New Frontier. The complaints are unmissable if you spend even 5 minutes browsing the forums.
Clem playtime and Kenny's death are not the main issues i think. The game is simply fundamentally weak and by that i mean the basis on which telltale's genre builds upon (Relationships, little puzzles, good story, detailed hubs, decisions)
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I agree with the fact the episodes are way too short however you say it feels like an empty instalment while slowly getting rid of the past relations from previous seasons but clementine is still here surely she is the biggest link the user would need also the fact is don't you feel as kennys survival from season one episode five in it's self was total bs the fact he shouldn't have even been alive to the point telltale would kill him in the first season also at least his death similar to lees was meaningful in the way he saved aj and lee I don't understand how no one complained with the season one ending but they complain with Kennys death and also you meantion telltale telling lies can you elaborate as I'm not aware of them
1- Episode's length suck ass
2- No feels at all for the charecters just chock value
3- season's 2 endings didn't mean shit
4- clems personality doesn't change no matter who and where she lived
5- telltale lied to us multiple times about it by adding clem as a golden Goose while they made us think she'll be playable as much as javi
6- The continuation of job's lies about the broken scenes the feels THIS IS THE BIGGEST SEASON YET and EPISODE ONE WAS SO FUCKING BIG WE HAD TO SPLIT IT TO TWO
7- They said this season will be closer to the comics but all we Got was LITTEL bit of action punch jesus
Do I fucking still want to go on?
As far as Kenny is concerned, he is the only other surviving member of the original group that we know of. Many, many players loved Kenny and made a decision to stay with him, thinking it would matter. And then in ANF, the toughest, most durable and badass survivor we know dies from not wearing his seatbelt during a 5 minute flashback. Regardless of whether you think he should have come back or died in s1, this is an extremely lazy and disrespectful way to handle one of the most controversial and beloved characters from the entire series.
In regards to the lies....
Its early in the morning and I'm groggy but if I remember more I'll post them. Feel free to add any other lies I forgot.
I have seen many people actually say that but I do feel as if people interpret it differently I feel as though the decisions could be improved to have a better impact but the fact is they do have some sort of impact and also the relationships between characters are ok in my opinion i feel as though there are still some strongholds character developments with the exception of Kate who I feel as though they try to hard with but there is also still that time pressured tough situation where the decisions are present which is a major aspect of the walking dead from season one and to be honest I think episode three was a big improvement due to the fact they created a story from barely anything from the first two episodes
You'll get a lot of different reasons (that I personally disagree with)
I love the season. A lot of people here tend to be overdramatic.
The thing is most of the criticism is due to telltale it's self and the thing is there is some character development and it's quite good but what I can agree on is the fact the episodes are too short which probably changes people feelings about character development due to the fact we haven't had enough time in the episodes to see it and to be fair to jobs the scene with aj to some people was very emotional I mean look at people react to it on YouTube and also I don't understand why it is such a big deal that clems personality doesn't change I mean theoretically it does in season 3 as her attitude towards you changes depending on how u treat her but I understand your point
Yeah likewise I actually really like the season and I feel it's not really being given a chance
Not everyone is overdramatizing things - I think a lot of people want this game to do well, but unfortunately just ended up disappointed. The game ended up a lot different from what some had expected.
Ok to be honest kenny died while trying to protect aj and clem which Malden his death meaningful similar to lee which is More than I could say for most characters which die also the fact Is as your saying a lot of people are angered by telltales lies but in fact not really the game its self as I guarantee if telltale didn't lie people would Be no where near as disappointed
Yes but the only real issue I can see is the game time and lies from telltale one of which is not even about the gameplay and the fact is it is not as bad as people are saying and the thing is I can tell the disappointment comes from either clem kenny or lack of game time but the gameplay it's self in my opinion is good
Yeah, admittedly, that is a hurdle that'd I'd like to see be ignored every once a in while.
Agreed.
Yeah it's not as bad as people say
Because since the very beginning Telltale has been pissing down out backs and telling us its raining. They lied to us, they refused to communicate, when they did communicate they belittled all complaints, refused to admit any flaws. They always tout themselves putting fans first, that they encourage feeback, but they implement none of it. Being a Telltale the Walking Dead fan has become an awful experience. Telltale has treated us like shit from the word go this season, its like anyone who dares voice a complaint is a burden they would rather not deal with.
Then their is the fact that the game is just awful, its short, the story is insipid and cliche, there is not one original aspect to it. Its all a derivative mess, unexciting and uninspired. Clementine, one of the best original characters of this century, has been reduced to 'supporting player', I know I am really really happy I spent four years with her, meticulously crafting different stories on multiple saves, agonizing over choices for all of that to be thrown away or reduced to a determinate scar, hours and fucking hours of playing the same damn game over and over and I all get for my effort, all I get for being a fan of this awful and mismanaged company is a determinate scar on Clem's face or hand. Oh wait I forgot it could also be a tattoo, never mind I'm just an entitled gamer, this game has it all, facial scars, amputated fingers and tatoos. What a vast and long ranging cornacopia of variety.
Then there is Javi and his worthless family, you know what screw the Garcia's their not even worth talking about anymore. The least compelling family in the history of history.
But hey David didn't suck and they actually did something with a determinate character, this game is 10/10 would smack myself in the face again. Although even Conrad not being completely useless after being determinate comes with its own plot holes and shows yet another way in which the choices we make mean exactly dick to Telltale.
So yeah, this game sucks, and while there may be a few examples of the game not sucking, at the end of the day the sum total of it is that its a complete and total failure.
The thing with the game time issue is that they could probably fix that by either a) adding more content story-wise, or b) add in more exploration. I'm leaning more towards option B since it'd give us more of an opportunity to take a breath and just look around the area, talking to other characters with detailed options and backstories while immersing ourselves into the story.
I think that's the one thing that's keeping me from getting excited about this game anymore (besides the Kenny-Jane flashbacks but those have been talked to death already). If I'm gonna be traveling with yet another group of survivors, I want to know what they're all about like the back of my hand. I mean, we've been traveling with Tripp, Elanor and the rest for a few episodes now, and they haven't really given me a reason to care about them yet. If Telltale wants us to become invested into a new group with only one of the surviving characters from the past 2 seasons, I think they need to make them at least as interesting as the cabin group was.
Those are my only 2 major gripes left, though. If they were to somehow fix those problems, I'd totally be on board. I do appreciate how they seemed to give the choices some meaning in episode 3 - that was a refreshing start.
Javi can be a complete asshole to clem and she can still say that he's making the right choices in Ep 3.Besides if you agree to Conrads plan or not the interactions won't change between her and you and you can also hug her?!? The hell!?!?
Yeah I agree but these problems are fixable and arent that bad to instantly call the game bad I think they are giving in a way actually too much backstory to javis family but personally I think they are trying to attach you to Kate way too Much but one thing I do agree is more clementine and to be honest I don't even think she has to be a playable character but just allow her to a lot more active but thicker than water seems to prioritise her more
People like Clementine way too much, a good character that people think is better than she is. Game is middle of the pack for Telltale it's not great it's not awful but I think it has potential to be the opposite of season 2 and end strong.
The reason is because people thought season 3 was going to be this, but ended up being another thing. They wanted season 3 to be about Clem, when its really about Javi, with Clem a supporting character. They didn't like the season 2 flashbacks which only added their displeasure of the idea of Javi, his family, the new characters and storyline. Because of that, most people here have the knee-jerk reaction to talk crap about the new characters, accuse the season of having worse writing than the previous seasons( even though they can't go into detail to support their claims). The short length of the premiere episodes, and the flashbacks are valid criticisms for sure, but for the most part, outside of those, most of the hatred stems from season 3 not being entirely about Clementine. They didn't make the third season the way the people here in the forums wanted.
Ok clearly telltale is dropping its standards of communication with fans but the content of the game is ok considering they are trying to try something new and to be honest as long as clem is still there consistently I don't mind not being her but what I have noticed in this forum is a constant hatred for telltale which in my opinion is the reason some fans have this assessment of the game as the story is ok it's not as bad a short people say and the things people are criticising can be fixed such as game length and the thing that really amuses me is I'm pretty sure it has quite good reviews
Exactly it's not as bad as people say and I think it is improving. The reason clem is so loved is due the length we have known her and the users have watched her grow allowing us to have SUV ha close relationship with her being the only character left from season one
I agree completely the length of the premier episodes were a joke but I also agree completely that the forum doesn't like the idea of clem being a support character but the story it's self is ok and so far people can't really justify it being bad so hour using personal opinions which our not valid but me I myself like not being clementine but I want her around more because the fans love clem herself I don't understand why they would want to be clem when everyone loves the originality of her it doesn't make sense
Here are my reasons:
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Yes majority of these issues are fixable and are not catastrophic to say the season is a fail also there is actually a lot of character development with characters such as Kate and gave also u said there is a lot of meaningless choices but it was the same in season one for example with the stranger of u took the good the outcome is the same and also you said it's not realistic and badly written but that makes no sense as if the walking dead series is meant to realistic it's walkers and the end of humanity
We loved this franchise becuase of both Lee and clementine Javier is only an intruder to the story he must've had his own dlc clementine there was just a cash grab and people are pissed about it and you can always check the sellings of the game it's dropping a lot and btw a lot of fans wouldn't be pissed as they are right now if telltale were honest to their fans...they weren't and they will never be
Reviewers write for clicks, you get more clicks when your positive, dont trust reviews. Same with Youtubers.
But your right the problems with episodes 1&2 were fixable, they had three months to fix them, they didn't. Because they don't think they did anything wrong.
As for game length, were not ever going to see eye to eye on that. These games should be twice as long.
Maybe she understands that he, in certain playthroughs, may not be making the right choices for her but for his family.
And come on everyone needs a hug now and again.
Max one isn't really a plot hole just Max being Max
No it's just people coming up with the most bs reasons to try and justify reasons why the series is bad when in fact there's not that bad of a problem with it
Yeah ah I agree I'm happy that people complain about the lack of clem but to tell the truth people are making excuses which aren't there when this is the problem
Get away from my gas which I left in a broken car.
The thing about reviewers is not necessarily true if there were to be a negative review this would shock people encouraging them to look at it and the reason the reviews are good is because the story like it or not is good it's just game time and clem and I agree on both however it's not enough for me to dislike the game but come on people on the his forum deep down love the game of not why would they bother on these forums constant speaking about it
You call our criticism and feedback bullshit? Are you kidding me?! >:(
Javi's plot is copy-paste from twd TV show if telltale wants to shove javi up our eyes at least make his story interesting not a love triangle lori/Shane/rick
Well jobs essentially called us a dismissive minority whose opinions are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.