Eleanor's "cold, hurtful" betrayal was such weirdly placed that I went "whaat?" and not the good kind, but completely incongruous and absurd kind. She was suddenly standing in the middle of the crowd before Joan, just hanging around. There was so little development to her character and her arch was so narrow and empty that we can't feel worried or angry. It's unlogical as well, impossible to justify this treason or find any clarification of why did she do it.
If that was supposed to get my blood boiling, well it failed, as Eleanor was just there somewhere, not making a difference to the story. If they wanted to turn someone black they could've chosen Ava or David, not someone who had 20 lines max and her screentime was about 10 minutes in total.
I totally agree, Eleanor has barely been on screen since episode 2, and now suddenly she is betraying us? there has been no hints or character development towards her betraying us, I guess it kinda makes sense for us that shot Conrad, but still, I doubt she would betray Tripp like that over something Javi did
Eleanor's "cold, hurtful" betrayal was such weirdly placed that I went "whaat?" and not the good kind, but completely incongruous and absurd… more kind. She was suddenly standing in the middle of the crowd before Joan, just hanging around. There was so little development to her character and her arch was so narrow and empty that we can't feel worried or angry. It's unlogical as well, impossible to justify this treason or find any clarification of why did she do it.
If that was supposed to get my blood boiling, well it failed, as Eleanor was just there somewhere, not making a difference to the story. If they wanted to turn someone black they could've chosen Ava or David, not someone who had 20 lines max and her screentime was about 10 minutes in total.
Since she's naive as all hell, she probably thought that by letting Joan in on the plan it would save Tripp and allow both of them stay in Richmond. She's clearly angry if you choose to save Ava instead of Tripp, so I don't think she betrayed the group just to save herself.
Then again, I really don't care about her reasons... if Kate died because of this shit, Eleanor will be having the Badger treatment.
I totally agree, Eleanor has barely been on screen since episode 2, and now suddenly she is betraying us? there has been no hints or charact… moreer development towards her betraying us, I guess it kinda makes sense for us that shot Conrad, but still, I doubt she would betray Tripp like that over something Javi did
She deserves to die. She's the reason Tripp/Ava were killed. I knew the entire time we couldn't trust her and I was right. I want to kill her pretty badly now.
She deserves to die. She's the reason Tripp/Ava were killed. I knew the entire time we couldn't trust her and I was right. I want to kill her pretty badly now.
This is true. I don't know what to tell you if one bad thing completely erases every good thing she's done. Though to be fair it's a pretty big bad thing.
David xD
The guy who was going to abandon his family? The one who -at least- verbally abused Kate in the past? The same guy who literally said "Javi, thanks for taking care of my family all these years, but now they are here with me and we don't need you anymore, goodbye"? David, who kicked out a child because it tried to save a beloved toddler? The guy who yelled that they should've "left AJ out in the woods a week ago"? That guy who killed Clint -who was on OUR side- in cold-blood because he had no control over his rage? Yeah, David is such a great person to trust in, really.
The one who -at least- verbally abused Kate in the past?
I don't care about Kate.
The same guy who literally said "Javi, thanks for taking care of my family all these years, but now they are here with me and we don't need you anymore, goodbye"?
He changed his mind later.
David, who kicked out a child because it tried to save a beloved toddler?
He didn't let him die, Lingard told me his location
The guy who yelled that they should've "left AJ out in the woods a week ago"?
That's a problem. He immediately changes his mind afterwards.
That guy who killed Clint -who was on OUR side- in cold-blood because he had no control over his rage?
David xD
The guy who was going to abandon his family? The one who -at least- verbally abused Kate in the past? The same guy who literally s… moreaid "Javi, thanks for taking care of my family all these years, but now they are here with me and we don't need you anymore, goodbye"? David, who kicked out a child because it tried to save a beloved toddler? The guy who yelled that they should've "left AJ out in the woods a week ago"? That guy who killed Clint -who was on OUR side- in cold-blood because he had no control over his rage? Yeah, David is such a great person to trust in, really.
You call this a "mistake"? You make it sound as if Eleanor just drove the "wrong way" down an one-way street. That "mistake" got a lot of people killed.. and keep in mind that Eleanor fuqing sided with the people who destroyed and raided her home, killed all of her friends (except for Tripp if you chose Ava).
Like.. Kenny was a truly good person and fuqed up a lot of times, but even he never did that bad.
You call this a "mistake"? You make it sound as if Eleanor just drove the "wrong way" down an one-way street. That "mistake" got a lot of pe… moreople killed.. and keep in mind that Eleanor fuqing sided with the people who destroyed and raided her home, killed all of her friends (except for Tripp if you chose Ava).
Like.. Kenny was a truly good person and fuqed up a lot of times, but even he never did that bad.
The guy who was going to abandon his family?
Who said that?
The one who -at least- verbally abused Kate in the past?
I… more don't care about Kate.
The same guy who literally said "Javi, thanks for taking care of my family all these years, but now they are here with me and we don't need you anymore, goodbye"?
He changed his mind later.
David, who kicked out a child because it tried to save a beloved toddler?
He didn't let him die, Lingard told me his location
The guy who yelled that they should've "left AJ out in the woods a week ago"?
That's a problem. He immediately changes his mind afterwards.
That guy who killed Clint -who was on OUR side- in cold-blood because he had no control over his rage?
I shot Joan. Clint is alive.
He himself? Did you skip the opening of Episode 4?
That is pre-apocalypse
At least you have that. But for like 50% of the people, Clint is dead and was murdered by David in cold-blood, for literally no fuqing reason.
No reason? Joan is the one who ordered the death of these communities, especially Prescott, she is the reason Mariana is dead and she kills Ava or Tripp when they had nothing to do with her shenanigans. She cares about nobody but herself. Why does she deserve to live after that? Bitch had it coming.
Who said that?
He himself? Did you skip the opening of Episode 4?
I don't care about Kate.
Uhh, that must feel "cool".… more Good for you, but that doesn't makes it less awful.
He changed his mind later.
Doesn't matter. He still said and meant it. "Last time I checked they were MY family". Does that sound familiar?
He didn't let him die, Lingard told me his location
Doesn't matter either. He said and meant it. You can't just take things back and change your mind like underwear.
That's a problem. He immediately changes his mind afterwards
Same as above.
I shot Joan. Clint is alive.
At least you have that. But for like 50% of the people, Clint is dead and was murdered by David in cold-blood, for literally no fuqing reason.
Yeah, that may be true, but she sided with the group that destroyed and butchered Prescott, killed Mariana, and shot Kate. Even if you killed Conrad, The New Frontier murdered more than just one of her friends (plus Conrad would have pulled the trigger) it was merely self-defense. Worst of all, she sells you out no matter what. Screw Eleanor.
He himself? Did you skip the opening of Episode 4?
That is pre-apocalypse
At least you have that. But for like 50% of the peop… morele, Clint is dead and was murdered by David in cold-blood, for literally no fuqing reason.
No reason? Joan is the one who ordered the death of these communities, especially Prescott, she is the reason Mariana is dead and she kills Ava or Tripp when they had nothing to do with her shenanigans. She cares about nobody but herself. Why does she deserve to live after that? Bitch had it coming.
All I meant is that if her past actions are any indication she is a good person.. I think she had her reasons and we should hear them before judging. I just think she deserves a chance.
Yeah, that may be true, but she sided with the group that destroyed and butchered Prescott, killed Mariana, and shot Kate. Even if you kille… mored Conrad, The New Frontier murdered more than just one of her friends (plus Conrad would have pulled the trigger) it was merely self-defense. Worst of all, she sells you out no matter what. Screw Eleanor.
Your attempts to justify the behavior of a maniac don't get any better.
And like MartOP already said, it's about Clint. He was against Joan's actions and could've been a very important ally against Joan. By killing her directly you probably destroyed that chance as well. The herd outside would've been the smaller problem. Leaving would've been the better option, since they all know how to move through a walker-herd, especially Clementine.
He himself? Did you skip the opening of Episode 4?
That is pre-apocalypse
At least you have that. But for like 50% of the peop… morele, Clint is dead and was murdered by David in cold-blood, for literally no fuqing reason.
No reason? Joan is the one who ordered the death of these communities, especially Prescott, she is the reason Mariana is dead and she kills Ava or Tripp when they had nothing to do with her shenanigans. She cares about nobody but herself. Why does she deserve to live after that? Bitch had it coming.
Every season we get traitors but never get to deal with them. I hope she gets intimate with Javier's bat, I can also see Tripp trying to defend her because he hates me now.
To be fair, he likely assumed you'd be able to find a way around it if you went on foot, but mentioned something implying he'd have the group escorted to the outskirts. Joan was the one counting on the herd killing them.
This. Not only was this predicted by people, but it's so late in the game with so little screentime devoted to her that it really feels tacked on. I seriously missed the very little buildup to this and I usually pay attention to stuff like that.
Eleanor's "cold, hurtful" betrayal was such weirdly placed that I went "whaat?" and not the good kind, but completely incongruous and absurd… more kind. She was suddenly standing in the middle of the crowd before Joan, just hanging around. There was so little development to her character and her arch was so narrow and empty that we can't feel worried or angry. It's unlogical as well, impossible to justify this treason or find any clarification of why did she do it.
If that was supposed to get my blood boiling, well it failed, as Eleanor was just there somewhere, not making a difference to the story. If they wanted to turn someone black they could've chosen Ava or David, not someone who had 20 lines max and her screentime was about 10 minutes in total.
Every season we get traitors but never get to deal with them. I hope she gets intimate with Javier's bat, I can also see Tripp trying to defend her because he hates me now.
I'm sure there's a reason why Eleanor betrayed the group. When you go confront her about it, there's gonna be two different reasons:
-(If you tried to save Tripp)- "God, Javi, I'm sorry. I thought she was going to kill Tripp if you guys didn't show up...but now look where he is. He was dead either way."
-(If you tried to save Ava)- "I did what I thought was right. You betrayed us, Javi. You didn't even try to save Tripp. I thought I could trust you."
That is pre-apocalypse
Your attempts to justify the behavior of a maniac don't get any better.
And like MartOP already said, it's… more about Clint. He was against Joan's actions and could've been a very important ally against Joan. By killing her directly you probably destroyed that chance as well. The herd outside would've been the smaller problem. Leaving would've been the better option, since they all know how to move through a walker-herd, especially Clementine.
I can see him doing that because he's a fucking jumble of a character.
Can't say I support beating a chick (particularly one like her) to death, though.
I want revenge on her too. Not sure what kind, but I do want revenge. Even if it just means abandoning her somewhere or something similar. Doesn't have to be violent death.
That is pre-apocalypse
Your attempts to justify the behavior of a maniac don't get any better.
And like MartOP already said, it's… more about Clint. He was against Joan's actions and could've been a very important ally against Joan. By killing her directly you probably destroyed that chance as well. The herd outside would've been the smaller problem. Leaving would've been the better option, since they all know how to move through a walker-herd, especially Clementine.
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That bitch is about to get lucilled.
Seriously all Im looking forward to next episodes are characters dying, surely thats not a good thing right?
Everyone is dead in my book except David and Clementine. Those are the only people I could trust.
I'll get Tripp to fuck her up (not in that way)
Eleanor's "cold, hurtful" betrayal was such weirdly placed that I went "whaat?" and not the good kind, but completely incongruous and absurd kind. She was suddenly standing in the middle of the crowd before Joan, just hanging around. There was so little development to her character and her arch was so narrow and empty that we can't feel worried or angry. It's unlogical as well, impossible to justify this treason or find any clarification of why did she do it.
If that was supposed to get my blood boiling, well it failed, as Eleanor was just there somewhere, not making a difference to the story. If they wanted to turn someone black they could've chosen Ava or David, not someone who had 20 lines max and her screentime was about 10 minutes in total.
I totally agree, Eleanor has barely been on screen since episode 2, and now suddenly she is betraying us? there has been no hints or character development towards her betraying us, I guess it kinda makes sense for us that shot Conrad, but still, I doubt she would betray Tripp like that over something Javi did
I hope she gets to redeem herself. I don't want her to die.
I hope she makes it out alive.
Whatever her motivations were for betraying us I know she's a good person.
Since she's naive as all hell, she probably thought that by letting Joan in on the plan it would save Tripp and allow both of them stay in Richmond. She's clearly angry if you choose to save Ava instead of Tripp, so I don't think she betrayed the group just to save herself.
Then again, I really don't care about her reasons... if Kate died because of this shit, Eleanor will be having the Badger treatment.
She deserves to die. She's the reason Tripp/Ava were killed. I knew the entire time we couldn't trust her and I was right. I want to kill her pretty badly now.
She's also the only reason Kate is alive. If that counts for anything for you.
Then she sides with someone who destroyed Prescott.
This is true. I don't know what to tell you if one bad thing completely erases every good thing she's done. Though to be fair it's a pretty big bad thing.
David xD
The guy who was going to abandon his family? The one who -at least- verbally abused Kate in the past? The same guy who literally said "Javi, thanks for taking care of my family all these years, but now they are here with me and we don't need you anymore, goodbye"? David, who kicked out a child because it tried to save a beloved toddler? The guy who yelled that they should've "left AJ out in the woods a week ago"? That guy who killed Clint -who was on OUR side- in cold-blood because he had no control over his rage? Yeah, David is such a great person to trust in, really.
Betrayal / Good person. Pick only one.
No. You see things in a very simple way if you believe that no truly good person can make a mistake.
Who said that?
I don't care about Kate.
He changed his mind later.
He didn't let him die, Lingard told me his location
That's a problem. He immediately changes his mind afterwards.
I shot Joan. Clint is alive.
You call this a "mistake"? You make it sound as if Eleanor just drove the "wrong way" down an one-way street. That "mistake" got a lot of people killed.. and keep in mind that Eleanor fuqing sided with the people who destroyed and raided her home, killed all of her friends (except for Tripp if you chose Ava).
Like.. Kenny was a truly good person and fuqed up a lot of times, but even he never did that bad.
A really big mistake then! I'm not gonna judge until I hear her reasons and I can't just forget all the good she's done for us.
He himself? Did you skip the opening of Episode 4?
Uhh, that must feel "cool". Good for you, but that doesn't makes it less awful.
Doesn't matter. He still said and meant it. "Last time I checked they were MY family". Does that sound familiar?
Doesn't matter either. He said and meant it. You can't just take things back and change your mind like underwear.
Same as above.
At least you have that. But for like 50% of the people, Clint is dead and was murdered by David in cold-blood, for literally no fuqing reason.
That is pre-apocalypse
No reason? Joan is the one who ordered the death of these communities, especially Prescott, she is the reason Mariana is dead and she kills Ava or Tripp when they had nothing to do with her shenanigans. She cares about nobody but herself. Why does she deserve to live after that? Bitch had it coming.
Yeah, that may be true, but she sided with the group that destroyed and butchered Prescott, killed Mariana, and shot Kate. Even if you killed Conrad, The New Frontier murdered more than just one of her friends (plus Conrad would have pulled the trigger) it was merely self-defense. Worst of all, she sells you out no matter what. Screw Eleanor.
We're talking about Clint, not Joan.
All I meant is that if her past actions are any indication she is a good person.. I think she had her reasons and we should hear them before judging. I just think she deserves a chance.
Did you forget that there was herd outside? Clint wanted us to go through it which would get us all killed.
Your attempts to justify the behavior of a maniac don't get any better.
And like MartOP already said, it's about Clint. He was against Joan's actions and could've been a very important ally against Joan. By killing her directly you probably destroyed that chance as well. The herd outside would've been the smaller problem. Leaving would've been the better option, since they all know how to move through a walker-herd, especially Clementine.
Javi didn't get his signature weapon back for nothing you know.........
Same here.
Every season we get traitors but never get to deal with them. I hope she gets intimate with Javier's bat, I can also see Tripp trying to defend her because he hates me now.
To be fair, he likely assumed you'd be able to find a way around it if you went on foot, but mentioned something implying he'd have the group escorted to the outskirts. Joan was the one counting on the herd killing them.
Same.
This. Not only was this predicted by people, but it's so late in the game with so little screentime devoted to her that it really feels tacked on. I seriously missed the very little buildup to this and I usually pay attention to stuff like that.
I can see him doing that because he's a fucking jumble of a character.
Can't say I support beating a chick (particularly one like her) to death, though.
I'm sure there's a reason why Eleanor betrayed the group. When you go confront her about it, there's gonna be two different reasons:
-(If you tried to save Tripp)- "God, Javi, I'm sorry. I thought she was going to kill Tripp if you guys didn't show up...but now look where he is. He was dead either way."
-(If you tried to save Ava)- "I did what I thought was right. You betrayed us, Javi. You didn't even try to save Tripp. I thought I could trust you."
Let's just say he is an asshole but his heart is in the right place, just that his mind isn't. Now I have sided with everyone.
Can't agree. Sorry.
She's just a stupid bitch. But given a chance, I will give her sweet death. Like I did with Badger. Will tear her skull to pieces too.
Normally in video games, attractive female characters aren't really shown having gruesome deaths like attractive male characters
I want revenge on her too. Not sure what kind, but I do want revenge. Even if it just means abandoning her somewhere or something similar. Doesn't have to be violent death.
He is Javier's brother, like it or NOT.