Than I'd consider this season non-canon cause Telltale doesn't let me control Clementine. They even lied that there are 42 versions of her depending on our choices.
Its interesting because that scene between Gabe betraying Javi and them pushing the truck was way less than 30 mins. Seriously mad respect for you, because obviously I'm not that soft of a person and do think too much of the long term effects. Something worth learning from.
I already forgave him when we were pushing the truck and told him I was glad that he came along. I don't hold grudges very long and was over it in about 30 minutes time.
I wish it was Clem as the hostage. I wonder how different the scene would play out? Would Gabe shot Conrad? Would Clem even forgive Javi if you agree with the plan? Would Clem head hunt Conrad in his many determinant deaths?
Yes Gabe has his heart in the right place.
But still was a stupid action to reveal Javi's dark action at the wrong time!
Javi could have b… moreeen killed.
They were very lucky Tripp is finally a good guy who just showed anger with words.
At some times you have to stay quiet, but inexperienced Gabe didn't.
Still Javi is finally the one to be blamed because he pulled that trigger, not Gabe.
Than I'd consider this season non-canon cause Telltale doesn't let me control Clementine. They even lied that there are 42 versions of her depending on our choices.
Was just using 30 minutes as a general time instead of just saying really quickly. I got on him for plenty of things in this episode but I just don't stay angry for very long.
Its interesting because that scene between Gabe betraying Javi and them pushing the truck was way less than 30 mins. Seriously mad respect f… moreor you, because obviously I'm not that soft of a person and do think too much of the long term effects. Something worth learning from.
There's nothing much to forgive him for from where I stand.
That scene's pretty pointless in the episode proper anyway, as making it non-determinate to your interactions with him means his outburst doesn't make much sense, Clementine doesn't talk to him about it before or after it happens, Kate doesn't seem inclined to talk about the revelation(as far as I've seen, anyway), Gabe and Javier act more like he ate all the zebra cakes than he exposed him as a "murderer", Tripp(the "best friend" it's meant to piss off) was unhelpful and ends up partially determinate regardless, Eleanor certainly didn't go to Joan because Conrad was like a dad to her, and I don't think they'll reveal that Gabe is secretly a death-seeker next episode.
Lmao, there's 42 different descriptions at the end of the generator. There's one 2edgy4u Clementine in the game. I don't think you understand she's not real, she doesn't want anything. Its on the writers to construct her character, and the rest of the characters. And they've done a pretty terrible job with hers, and at making likeable characters. Gabe is an unbelievable, annoying character who was very poorly written and fits in terribly with similar characters across the different versions of the universe.
there actually is around 40+ different versions of her that the story generator can give.
But do they change ANYTHING except one or two lines in every episode? No.
0%. I'm going to continue doing what I've done ever since he was in the junkyard whining like a typical teen with a void in his heart hanging out at Hot Topic, and let the time run out or choose "..." in every conversation I have with this horrifically written stereotype.
I might not like Gabe much and I absolutely hated him in that moment but I will admit it was very in character for him.
I value loyalty, especially from family, and for me that was the ultimate betrayal. But looking through Javi's eyes... he's the uncle and Gabe is the closest thing to a son for him. Kids do dumb things and my Javi always puts his family first. Give it a day or two and once things settle down, he'll forgive him and move on.
Well maybe I exaggerate a little, but Gabe is definitely hyperactive, impulsive and he's got trouble dealing with intense situations. For ex… moreample:
1. He interrupts or intrudes on others; he might be unaware of his own behavior and its consequences:
.2. Can't sit quiet; he's impatient and fidgety, doesn't understand he can't get easily hurt or get other people hurt because of his rash actions:
.3. He talks excessively, he's hard to calm down:
.4. He's in constant motion, he's all over the place all the time, getting in the way and endangering himself recklessly; it takes other people to smarten him up:
.5. When he is told "no", he's got troubles accepting it:
And those are only examples from episode 4.
Hey I just saw Pewdiepie’s walkthrough, even though he killed Conrad, he managed to avoid getting Gabe from snitching on him. This is a tangent from the actual discussion but did anyone find out how he did that?
I think he lost his saves or something and replayed when Ep 3 came out. If you notice, his episode 1 and 2 playthroughs are with a Wellington ending (Clem's scar is on her cheek), whereas in ep 3/4 it's above her eye (stay with Kenny). He might have picked different choices offscreen for the previous episodes.
Hey I just saw Pewdiepie’s walkthrough, even though he killed Conrad, he managed to avoid getting Gabe from snitching on him. This is a tangent from the actual discussion but did anyone find out how he did that?
He reminds me of my nephews with adhd.
Heart in the right place, but very impulsive.
Annoying behavior and changing mind quickly.
Before thinking just doing or telling something that might damage the situation for themselves or others.
I know ADHD is very complex, but Gabe shows some symptoms of this.
Hey I just saw Pewdiepie’s walkthrough, even though he killed Conrad, he managed to avoid getting Gabe from snitching on him. This is a tangent from the actual discussion but did anyone find out how he did that?
Seeing as how Gabe apparently thinks me saving his life in episode 2 is such a horrible thing I am perfectly content letting him die in episode 5. Its what he wants apparently.
I told Tripp that I killed Conrad because he went crazy prior to Gabe "ratting". I can't really be mad at the kid for bringing up something most of the people in the room knew about.
I told Tripp that I killed Conrad because he went crazy prior to Gabe "ratting". I can't really be mad at the kid for bringing up something most of the people in the room knew about.
He tells you it was the right thing to do. You save his life and clem's (the girl he has a crush on) yet he throws you (his uncle) under the bus. Then he judges you while taking a moral high ground. Clem even defends you. Yet she doesn't get at gabe for throwing you under the bus. She doesn't show anger towards gabe either. That makes no sense to me. He even says so what when you reply that you saved his life. There's no defending gabes behavior or his actions. He's ungrateful, disrespectful and a hypocrite. How could clem like someone who's immature, rash, has anger issues, likes david, is a danger and liability and someone who throws one of their family members under the bus? how could she be happy with someone like that?
Yet she doesn't get at gabe for throwing you under the bus. She doesn't show anger towards gabe either. That makes no sense to me. He even says so what when you reply that you saved his life.
Ignoring the obvious shipping shit (because, well, it's in your name and it''s too much of a focus even in-universe now), this is actually a prime example of my problem with that entire scene. Again, the scene itself is fine or rather, would be fine if it was incorporated with the nuance and consequences appropriate for such a reveal: No one, besides Gabe(in the hub at least) and Tripp(who's pretty useless in the episode in general), act like this big reveal about one of the group member's actually having been killed by their number one guy, even if to protect the two youngest members from him.
Kate doesn't talk to Javier about what he did and voice her opinion on it
Gabe himself apologizes if you talk to him in the junkyard hub and there's some tension/vitriol between the two while they're getting the truck up and running , but for the rest of the story, doesn't really act like he's particularly angry or sad about the circumstances. In fact, he's more or less back to his Episode 3(and depending on your choices, the first 2/3 of this episode) disposition.
Clementine, despite the reason this whole conversation was possible in the first place, jumps in to defend Javier from Tripp being pointing that Conrad was crazy, but says nothing else about the matter afterwards. And most importantly(again, ignoring the fucking shipping shit one way or another), she doesn't talk to Gabe(or Javier for that matter) about that moment, whether to empathize with how he feels about the whole mess or let him know that what he just did was wrong and could cause problems down the road. She just...hangs around, letting those two chat it up when she's not joking around with Gabe.
Tripp, as I've said before, is a large part of why this is pretty pointless not only because he does jackshit in this episode(and as part of an increasing trend, no less) to make his talk down to Javier actually mean something, but also because he, the reason this scene needed to happen in the first place, ends up partially determinate regardless of how Conrad dies/lives.
Eleanor goes to Joan regardless of how Conrad died/lives, with the only difference being that she's more uncertain/uncomfortable with having done so if you shoot Conrad.
Topping all of this off is the fact that the scene is technically non-determinate, with the only stipulation being that you shot Conrad at all, with no heed to your actual relationship with Gabe(and Tripp, for that matter) in either this episode alone or across the entire installment. So really, this scene could've just been left out entirely because it ends being pretty pointless by the end of the episode and instead, it's just there to confuse and/or piss everyone off regardless of how they actually feel about the group.
He tells you it was the right thing to do. You save his life and clem's (the girl he has a crush on) yet he throws you (his uncle) under the… more bus. Then he judges you while taking a moral high ground. Clem even defends you. Yet she doesn't get at gabe for throwing you under the bus. She doesn't show anger towards gabe either. That makes no sense to me. He even says so what when you reply that you saved his life. There's no defending gabes behavior or his actions. He's ungrateful, disrespectful and a hypocrite. How could clem like someone who's immature, rash, has anger issues, likes david, is a danger and liability and someone who throws one of their family members under the bus? how could she be happy with someone like that?
Eh? I already forgave Gabe especially since there was no "throwing me under the bus" intent behind his words. It's more a knee jerk reply to "life is precious" when he wanted to go to his dad. Now was he wrong and childish about this? Yes. Was it frustrating. Yeah, it was. But I dunno, it doesn't even occur to me as something that deserves an "I'm sorry/I forgive you" dialogue. Even given the consequences.
Eh? I already forgave Gabe especially since there was no "throwing me under the bus" intent behind his words. It's more a knee jerk reply to… more "life is precious" when he wanted to go to his dad. Now was he wrong and childish about this? Yes. Was it frustrating. Yeah, it was. But I dunno, it doesn't even occur to me as something that deserves an "I'm sorry/I forgive you" dialogue. Even given the consequences.
Clem should've said you must think of your life as not important and Mines if you're saying what Javi did was wrong. I bet he would've said something like n-no, I didn't mean it like that. I just...Clem could've interrupted gabe and said the fact of the matter is Javi saved both of our lives and not only do you not show appreciation for what he did and are thankful that you're still alive thanks to him but you also have the audacity to judge his actions and throw him under the bus. He's family. He's saved your life but you turn on him and at a moment like this no less. I'm disappointed in you. Gabe could've began to speak and Clem could've shut him down by saying stay away from me. It's dramatic. It might even be overly dramatic but man would I have loved if that happened.
Yet she doesn't get at gabe for throwing you under the bus. She doesn't show anger towards gabe either. That makes no sense to me. He even s… moreays so what when you reply that you saved his life.
Ignoring the obvious shipping shit (because, well, it's in your name and it''s too much of a focus even in-universe now), this is actually a prime example of my problem with that entire scene. Again, the scene itself is fine or rather, would be fine if it was incorporated with the nuance and consequences appropriate for such a reveal: No one, besides Gabe(in the hub at least) and Tripp(who's pretty useless in the episode in general), act like this big reveal about one of the group member's actually having been killed by their number one guy, even if to protect the two youngest members from him.
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Clem should've said you must think of your life as not important and Mines if you're saying what Javi did was wrong. I bet he would've said … moresomething like n-no, I didn't mean it like that. I just...Clem could've interrupted gabe and said the fact of the matter is Javi saved both of our lives and not only do you not show appreciation for what he did and are thankful that you're still alive thanks to him but you also have the audacity to judge his actions and throw him under the bus. He's family. He's saved your life but you turn on him and at a moment like this no less. I'm disappointed in you. Gabe could've began to speak and Clem could've shut him down by saying stay away from me. It's dramatic. It might even be overly dramatic but man would I have loved if that happened.
No, you know what, that's actually pretty spot on! I can actually kinda hear their voices reading over that; good job!
Just add some quotation marks(" ") in there or put it in a script format(Clementine:, Gabe:) to make it easier, okay?
I'd say 1/10. In my playthrough, Gabe has been having such a shitty attitude from the start. Always talking back, getting angry, and getting way too ahead of himself. I tried thinking, "Well he's just a kid." You know what? I still think that, but he's a bad kid. In this universe (TWD) you don't have time to do all of that angsty teen crap. Even the smallest action can bring about chaos - like the death of his sister. Episode 4, he helped me escape the lock-up, and he seemed better. I was surprised and actually I just wanted to be around Ava, David, Clem, and Gabe. But when we went into the armory to steal weapons, he jumped out and almost got us killed. I scolded him, and he wants to act as if it's nothing because he's embarrassed. So I was infuriated! However what turned my rage into hatred for this character was when he pulled that Conrad move. I shot Conrad SO FAST I didn't even give it a second thought. I killed Conrad to save Gabe, not for Clementine. So I felt so disrespected and betrayed at that point. Gabe is one of my most hated characters in ALL works of fiction. So far he's only in the top 20, but I'm prepared for episode 5 to bump him up to the top 10. With all of that said though, I understand there's a chance that they may make him show complete remorse and understand how bad his actions were. As much as people gave this season flack, there are still some writers on this game that can make some incredible moments happen.
Well maybe I exaggerate a little, but Gabe is definitely hyperactive, impulsive and he's got trouble dealing with intense situations. For ex… moreample:
1. He interrupts or intrudes on others; he might be unaware of his own behavior and its consequences:
.2. Can't sit quiet; he's impatient and fidgety, doesn't understand he can't get easily hurt or get other people hurt because of his rash actions:
.3. He talks excessively, he's hard to calm down:
.4. He's in constant motion, he's all over the place all the time, getting in the way and endangering himself recklessly; it takes other people to smarten him up:
.5. When he is told "no", he's got troubles accepting it:
And those are only examples from episode 4.
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Than I'd consider this season non-canon cause Telltale doesn't let me control Clementine. They even lied that there are 42 versions of her depending on our choices.
Its interesting because that scene between Gabe betraying Javi and them pushing the truck was way less than 30 mins. Seriously mad respect for you, because obviously I'm not that soft of a person and do think too much of the long term effects. Something worth learning from.
I wish it was Clem as the hostage. I wonder how different the scene would play out? Would Gabe shot Conrad? Would Clem even forgive Javi if you agree with the plan? Would Clem head hunt Conrad in his many determinant deaths?
But it is canon. No use pretending it isn't. And there actually is around 40+ different versions of her that the story generator can give.
Was just using 30 minutes as a general time instead of just saying really quickly. I got on him for plenty of things in this episode but I just don't stay angry for very long.
There's nothing much to forgive him for from where I stand.
That scene's pretty pointless in the episode proper anyway, as making it non-determinate to your interactions with him means his outburst doesn't make much sense, Clementine doesn't talk to him about it before or after it happens, Kate doesn't seem inclined to talk about the revelation(as far as I've seen, anyway), Gabe and Javier act more like he ate all the zebra cakes than he exposed him as a "murderer", Tripp(the "best friend" it's meant to piss off) was unhelpful and ends up partially determinate regardless, Eleanor certainly didn't go to Joan because Conrad was like a dad to her, and I don't think they'll reveal that Gabe is secretly a death-seeker next episode.
But do they change ANYTHING except one or two lines in every episode? No.
Lmao, there's 42 different descriptions at the end of the generator. There's one 2edgy4u Clementine in the game. I don't think you understand she's not real, she doesn't want anything. Its on the writers to construct her character, and the rest of the characters. And they've done a pretty terrible job with hers, and at making likeable characters. Gabe is an unbelievable, annoying character who was very poorly written and fits in terribly with similar characters across the different versions of the universe.
That's not what telltale meant when they said that. They were just referring to the story generator.
0%. I'm going to continue doing what I've done ever since he was in the junkyard whining like a typical teen with a void in his heart hanging out at Hot Topic, and let the time run out or choose "..." in every conversation I have with this horrifically written stereotype.
I'd prefer Javi to give him one punch in the face.. maybe that causes his brain to slip into the correct spot for once.
I might not like Gabe much and I absolutely hated him in that moment but I will admit it was very in character for him.
I value loyalty, especially from family, and for me that was the ultimate betrayal. But looking through Javi's eyes... he's the uncle and Gabe is the closest thing to a son for him. Kids do dumb things and my Javi always puts his family first. Give it a day or two and once things settle down, he'll forgive him and move on.
... That's just being a teenager. He hasn't done anything excessive enough to suggest that he has ADHD.
I reckon his problem is more than "he's just being a teenager". He's way more antsy than an average teen, imo.
Hey I just saw Pewdiepie’s walkthrough, even though he killed Conrad, he managed to avoid getting Gabe from snitching on him. This is a tangent from the actual discussion but did anyone find out how he did that?
I think he lost his saves or something and replayed when Ep 3 came out. If you notice, his episode 1 and 2 playthroughs are with a Wellington ending (Clem's scar is on her cheek), whereas in ep 3/4 it's above her eye (stay with Kenny). He might have picked different choices offscreen for the previous episodes.
He reminds me of my nephews with adhd.
Heart in the right place, but very impulsive.
Annoying behavior and changing mind quickly.
Before thinking just doing or telling something that might damage the situation for themselves or others.
I know ADHD is very complex, but Gabe shows some symptoms of this.
Not possible. I think.
I'm not saying he's got ADHD 100%, but he definitely shows some symptoms of it.
I tried to warm up to him, atleast a bit so I won't freak out if he survives this season. But after this... No. Fckin. Way.
I'm sort of on the fence at this point. Like 50/50. Gabe would have to do something TRULY REMARKABLE though in order to win MY respect back.
Aye.
I told Tripp that I killed Conrad because he went crazy prior to Gabe "ratting". I can't really be mad at the kid for bringing up something most of the people in the room knew about.
Oh yeah, that is a thing, what the heck is up with that?
He tells you it was the right thing to do. You save his life and clem's (the girl he has a crush on) yet he throws you (his uncle) under the bus. Then he judges you while taking a moral high ground. Clem even defends you. Yet she doesn't get at gabe for throwing you under the bus. She doesn't show anger towards gabe either. That makes no sense to me. He even says so what when you reply that you saved his life. There's no defending gabes behavior or his actions. He's ungrateful, disrespectful and a hypocrite. How could clem like someone who's immature, rash, has anger issues, likes david, is a danger and liability and someone who throws one of their family members under the bus? how could she be happy with someone like that?
Nope
Ignoring the obvious shipping shit (because, well, it's in your name and it''s too much of a focus even in-universe now), this is actually a prime example of my problem with that entire scene. Again, the scene itself is fine or rather, would be fine if it was incorporated with the nuance and consequences appropriate for such a reveal: No one, besides Gabe(in the hub at least) and Tripp(who's pretty useless in the episode in general), act like this big reveal about one of the group member's actually having been killed by their number one guy, even if to protect the two youngest members from him.
Topping all of this off is the fact that the scene is technically non-determinate, with the only stipulation being that you shot Conrad at all, with no heed to your actual relationship with Gabe(and Tripp, for that matter) in either this episode alone or across the entire installment. So really, this scene could've just been left out entirely because it ends being pretty pointless by the end of the episode and instead, it's just there to confuse and/or piss everyone off regardless of how they actually feel about the group.
Eh? I already forgave Gabe especially since there was no "throwing me under the bus" intent behind his words. It's more a knee jerk reply to "life is precious" when he wanted to go to his dad. Now was he wrong and childish about this? Yes. Was it frustrating. Yeah, it was. But I dunno, it doesn't even occur to me as something that deserves an "I'm sorry/I forgive you" dialogue. Even given the consequences.
And this right here is an example of why I believe the scene itself wasn't bad and it's the shitty implementation that bothers me so much.
And he still believed the walkers had got him even if you told him the truth
Yeah, that's really weird. What exactly did you tell him?
Clem should've said you must think of your life as not important and Mines if you're saying what Javi did was wrong. I bet he would've said something like n-no, I didn't mean it like that. I just...Clem could've interrupted gabe and said the fact of the matter is Javi saved both of our lives and not only do you not show appreciation for what he did and are thankful that you're still alive thanks to him but you also have the audacity to judge his actions and throw him under the bus. He's family. He's saved your life but you turn on him and at a moment like this no less. I'm disappointed in you. Gabe could've began to speak and Clem could've shut him down by saying stay away from me. It's dramatic. It might even be overly dramatic but man would I have loved if that happened.
No, you know what, that's actually pretty spot on! I can actually kinda hear their voices reading over that; good job!
Just add some quotation marks(" ") in there or put it in a script format(Clementine:, Gabe:) to make it easier, okay?
thank you
and I'll take your advice.
I'd say 1/10. In my playthrough, Gabe has been having such a shitty attitude from the start. Always talking back, getting angry, and getting way too ahead of himself. I tried thinking, "Well he's just a kid." You know what? I still think that, but he's a bad kid. In this universe (TWD) you don't have time to do all of that angsty teen crap. Even the smallest action can bring about chaos - like the death of his sister. Episode 4, he helped me escape the lock-up, and he seemed better. I was surprised and actually I just wanted to be around Ava, David, Clem, and Gabe. But when we went into the armory to steal weapons, he jumped out and almost got us killed. I scolded him, and he wants to act as if it's nothing because he's embarrassed. So I was infuriated! However what turned my rage into hatred for this character was when he pulled that Conrad move. I shot Conrad SO FAST I didn't even give it a second thought. I killed Conrad to save Gabe, not for Clementine. So I felt so disrespected and betrayed at that point. Gabe is one of my most hated characters in ALL works of fiction. So far he's only in the top 20, but I'm prepared for episode 5 to bump him up to the top 10. With all of that said though, I understand there's a chance that they may make him show complete remorse and understand how bad his actions were. As much as people gave this season flack, there are still some writers on this game that can make some incredible moments happen.
Maybe because his sister literally died a few days ago and he wants to help as best he can but nobody lets him?