I posted this on a thread a while back when someone stated that Kenny didn't care about anyone but himself and i feel this post i made is to… moretally fitting why Kenny is better than whiney Gabe. Not really relevant to your thread but its a big fuck you for your opinion on Kenny:
* It's not as if he didn't offer to give a man and a little girl, 2 strangers he just met, a lift in his pick up truck with his family towards where they were headed:
* It's not as if he didn't save a man's life at the drugstore after an assumed racist old man knocked him on his ass and left him to die:
* It's not as if he didn't ever go out hunting for the group to make sure they all got food:
* It's not as if he didn't help kill walkers from attacking a man stuck in a bear trap along with 2 scared teenagers who needed help:
* It's not as if he didn't show concern for the determinant man or boy they rescued from the woods whe… [view original content]
The problem with fanboys is that they hear, but they don't listen. If you think this post is about hating Kenny you are so hopelessly misinformed. Get off your high horse and open your mind a bit
I posted this on a thread a while back when someone stated that Kenny didn't care about anyone but himself and i feel this post i made is to… moretally fitting why Kenny is better than whiney Gabe. Not really relevant to your thread but its a big fuck you for your opinion on Kenny:
* It's not as if he didn't offer to give a man and a little girl, 2 strangers he just met, a lift in his pick up truck with his family towards where they were headed:
* It's not as if he didn't save a man's life at the drugstore after an assumed racist old man knocked him on his ass and left him to die:
* It's not as if he didn't ever go out hunting for the group to make sure they all got food:
* It's not as if he didn't help kill walkers from attacking a man stuck in a bear trap along with 2 scared teenagers who needed help:
* It's not as if he didn't show concern for the determinant man or boy they rescued from the woods whe… [view original content]
It's about you calling people who like Kenny and dislike Gabe hypocrite, and I find that a lot of people already provided sufficient counter arguments to that.
The problem with fanboys is that they hear, but they don't listen. If you think this post is about hating Kenny you are so hopelessly misinformed. Get off your high horse and open your mind a bit
Yeah, this is pretty much what the revelations of Telltale Stream seemed to indicate. He was planning on running away with Natasha but got caught in the act and was originally supposed to come running out of the woods as the Howe's Ski Cabin Group was heading up the road with the other Russians hot on his tail and Buricko likely would've spun the development to his advantage by having Arvo get them to put down their weapons so he can rob them to redeem himself.
Arvo may have been a good kid, but Clem's group had to suffer due to his fuck up (trying to hide the medicine from his group, probably becau… morese he wanted to get away with his sister). So he got an excuse by blaming Clem's group to get his ass out of the line.
I didn't steal the medicine, but he still said we robbed him. It was an easy excuse to not get in trouble.
Ironically what he says after really says a lot. The whole quote goes "Lee, man...you know I care about Clementine. And I am a Christian man. But I keep asking myself, if this was me asking you for help, asking you to put your life on the line, would you be there for me? Because there have been plenty of times when you ain't been"
This follows by Lee trying to convince Kenny to come with him. Yeah selective evidence is the best evidence
(Kenny the Messiah) , has come to deliver Javi and Clementine from (the new frontier and the herd of walkers) along with Jesus, glen , Abraham and Hershel green.
It's about you calling people who like Kenny and dislike Gabe hypocrite, and I find that a lot of people already provided sufficient counter arguments to that.
I indirectly said that it isn't a Kenny Hate Thread, but a thread about you calling people hypocrites who like Kenny and dislike Gabe. How about reading properly?
Weren't you saying fanboys hear but don't listen?
This isn't a Kenny hate post fyi. This is about the double standards Kenny fans hold. For example in the very simplest terms consider this.
… more
Kenny whines about (insert thing here) --> Kenny fans: Kenny's heart is in the right place, he's just going through some rough times.
Gabe whines about (insert same thing here) --> Kenny fans: What a whiny little bitch. Please kill him!!
Besides there are plenty counter arguments to those counter arguments too
Your reaching too hard for straws. You are the one who doesn't get the point. This is also not a Gabe defense thread. I am just calling out the hypocrisy of people's logic. They cut Kenny a crap ton of slack but when it comes to Gabe he gets none. And for the same reasons. I'm sorry but that is just stupid. I stand by my words. Kenny and Gabe are very similar. If you can't see how, then you are lost
I indirectly said that it isn't a Kenny Hate Thread, but a thread about you calling people hypocrites who like Kenny and dislike Gabe. How about reading properly?
Weren't you saying fanboys hear but don't listen?
The problem with fanboys is that they hear, but they don't listen. If you think this post is about hating Kenny you are so hopelessly misinformed. Get off your high horse and open your mind a bit
Gabe is just a little shit who constantly fucks up and tries to act tough when he's just a scared kid.
Gabe done nothing wrong. Asides snitched on Javi. If you look through his teenage boy attitude, you'll see that he is actually resourceful and humorous. You need to just look, without bias, at his character. You'll see what I mean. I don't think he is a ben per say.
Well, my Lee always treated Kenny like a brother, so none of that stuff happens in my playthroughs. Gabe whines constantly about stupid shit… more. Gabe's family weren't trapped with cannibals and Gabe wasn't stuck in a locker with a dead guy. I'd be pissed if someone who's had my back thus far turned on me too. Kenny treats you like family whereas Gabe is a little shit all the time. To @ZombiePizza 's points, Gabe constantly fucks things up. Kenny is right about mainly everything in the game, the St. Johns, leaving the Motor Inn, moving on from the Ski Lodge to find Wellington, getting out of Howe's, Jane not knowing respect, not trusting Arvo (may be a subject with many opinions but he was right in mine.) plus more. Kenny has shown to be extremely selfless, some examples are fighting alongside Lee at the St. Johns, (determinant but it happened in my game) saving Ben/Christa in episode 5, giving himself up at the Ski Lodge to Carver after he threa… [view original content]
Your reaching too hard for straws. You are the one who doesn't get the point. This is also not a Gabe defense thread. I am just calling out … morethe hypocrisy of people's logic. They cut Kenny a crap ton of slack but when it comes to Gabe he gets none. And for the same reasons. I'm sorry but that is just stupid. I stand by my words. Kenny and Gabe are very similar. If you can't see how, then you are lost
There's are three different responses Kenny can give. One is when you have been entirely loyal to him, which is what you got. The second is the one depicted in the screenshot, where you've done some good and some bad, so his feelings are mixed. You can still convince him to go through picking the right dialogue, but if you don't, he will refuse. The third is when you've done nothing for him and he flat out refuses to help.
There's are three different responses Kenny can give. One is when you have been entirely loyal to him, which is what you got. The second is … morethe one depicted in the screenshot, where you've done some good and some bad, so his feelings are mixed. You can still convince him to go through picking the right dialogue, but if you don't, he will refuse. The third is when you've done nothing for him and he flat out refuses to help.
if you hate Gabe but love Kenny, then you are a hypocrite
What makes you say that? Have you ever heard of opinions?
I hate Gabe b… moreecause he threw his uncle under the bus for saving him from Conrad and I love Kenny cause he cares a lot about his close people and family.
EDIT: I'll make a big post about what you said, later.
He poured alcohol into Kate's wound, determinantly shot at the feet of an unarmed man, rushed out of a hiding space and indirectly got Javi stabbed, ratted out Javi about Conrad. He's definitely fucked things up.
Gabe is just a little shit who constantly fucks up and tries to act tough when he's just a scared kid.
Gabe done nothing wrong. Asid… morees snitched on Javi. If you look through his teenage boy attitude, you'll see that he is actually resourceful and humorous. You need to just look, without bias, at his character. You'll see what I mean. I don't think he is a ben per say.
Amen. I'm more inclined to forgive Gabe because one is a child and not a grown man. And Gabe actually still cares about Javi if you don't side with him always, unlike Kenny and a Lee who did everything to help him except immediately smash a man's head in in front of his daughter.
There's a difference between being just an asshole and a relatable asshole. Say what you want about Kenny, but you can at the very least understand why he does what he does or understand whatever struggles he went through. Gabe is just a whiney and angsty prick who thinks he's larger than life.
I don't have anything against Kenny haters, and I do understand why people prefer Jane over him,
But people don't "all" prefer Jane over him. Very 50/50
In season one it was always, "Lee you didn't take my side so fuck you", "We need to get a boat! You disagree? Fuck you we are getting a boat… more anyways!", "Kill Larry! Kill Ben! What? You didn't kill them? Fuck you!".
When it's the case of throwing his own son out to the walkers because he was "bit," and you sided against him, do you expect him to not be pissed about that? The thing you have to remember is that did these things or acted this way not because he was trying to prove something, like Gabe does, it's because he was looking out for his family and trying to protect those he cares about. Him wanting to get a boat is because he thinks it's the safer and better option for his family, and like any husband/father, they are going to be his main priority no matter what, and when he thinks they are in a situation where their lives are put in danger (being at a easily attackable motel with constant bandit raids and little food), then yea… [view original content]
Clem injects drugs into a baby, without cleaning the needle or removing the clothing. She just jams it straight thru AJ's shoulder.
determinantly shot at the feet of an unarmed man.
Clem shot at the head of an unarmed man, in a fit.
rushed out of a hiding space and indirectly got Javi stabbed.
In sea2epi2 Clem can have the choice to run into a group with AKs, while tied-up, to attempt to save Alvin. What was she trying to accomplish here?
ratted out Javi about Conrad.
Clem's no snitch, but Javi is the biggest snitch there is. Javi can snitch on Clem for two murders on two different ocassions. Javi can rat Clem when she kills Eli and when Clem killed Lingard. The Lingard one is the worst, he says Clem killed Lingard in public in front of everyone in the NF. Gabe doesn't really seem that bad if you compare it to that.
He poured alcohol into Kate's wound, determinantly shot at the feet of an unarmed man, rushed out of a hiding space and indirectly got Javi stabbed, ratted out Javi about Conrad. He's definitely fucked things up.
I'm really glad I saved Conrad so I didn't have to deal with Gabe revealing that. It's funny I completely agree with those people I think that the Gabe reveal is terrible and obnoxious for the sake of drama, and if that happened when I played I would be right back with the people hating this season and thinking Gabe is the worst. Instead Gabe is just an annoying character that everyone shuts up as soon as he got mad and that's it.
As for Kenny he's a divisive character but that's part of why he is a great character
I was going to post something saying that you're wrong as well as going into further detail but I see everyone else already explained it. Damn you really got your ass handed to you.
All hail Sir Kenneth, saviour of boats and urbans!
Halloweth be thy beard, and the fruit of thy loins, Duck.
Blessed art thou RV's, an… mored praise be unto thy eyepatches.
Woe to all those who dare oppose thee, lest they face thy wrath of salt licks.
Praise be. Praise be.
As @UltimateTobi said, it's about you calling Kenny fans hypocrites that's causing arguments. You are new round here and if you continue like this you will get banned by the mods. Insulting us for our opinions gets you nowhere.
Get off my high horse? How do you expect me and others to react when all you have done is insult us and been 100% anti Kenny?
The problem with fanboys is that they hear, but they don't listen. If you think this post is about hating Kenny you are so hopelessly misinformed. Get off your high horse and open your mind a bit
He has more self control than impulsive Kenny who would just bash a guys head in before finding out if he is truly gone.
Ohhh yes because waiting to find out if a (and i quote) "6'4, 300 pound seriously pissed off dead guy" is actually dead is a very smart thing to do when it would be very likely he'd turn and kill everyone had they waited, but no no we must do the right thing in a zombie apocalypse because someone's feelings is more important than saving lives (sarcasm).
Yes, Kenny was partially responsible for the destruction of the group. It was Kenny who shot Carver and got Alvin killed (Walt's death is also Kenny's fault).
And though the choice with Alvin was determinant you make it sound like it was the only choice when it wasn't for everyone. Again, Kenny didn't have to try and help the cabin group he had just met. They invaded his home remember? He tried to help though which is more than can be said for Luke who was...where exactly?
I still believe the Cabin group was better off waiting for the herd to pass to even attempt an escape. But as Mike told Kenny "you don't plan to improvise". His impatience cost people their lives.
And once again you blame solely Kenny when it was actually EVERYONE'S plan to escape before the herd passed. And if i was a prisoner, I wouldn't wait for a fucking herd to pass. I'd use every opportunity to escape. What do you think it is? A hotel? And they should wait till it stops raining before they head out? Lol.
He is also partly to blame for getting Reggie in trouble. He just had to egg Clementine on to find a way out instead of waiting and planning
And once again this is determinant as Clem can either get him in trouble or not. And how do you expect Kenny to feel having previously been held prisoner by a bunch of fucking cannibals? Of course he would want to get out straight away. Waiting and planning with a bunch of people he just met might not have happened, they may have not been brave enough to want to try and escape again. How was he to know that?
Luke died because Kenny was for whatever reason obsessed with torturing Arvo.
Haha ohhh now this has me howling with laughter. You really are a blind hater aren't you? First of all Luke's death had nothing to do with Kenny and i am sorry but you are naive as hell if you think this. Luke injured his damn leg because of Arvo's Russian pals shooting him let's not forget. He would have most likely got over the ice if he had been a bit quicker. Kenny only "tortured" Arvo after Luke had died, before that it was virtually push and shove. Arvo is the one who ran across the ice, Kenny and Mike also ran. We would never know if Arvo had tried to run away anyway. I wouldn't trust that guy ever.
Kenny is the reason Mike and Bonnie defected and the reason Jane felt the need to expose him. You can not deny any of this.
Lol and that was what was so fucking whack about the whole thing. Arvo and his dickhead pals ambushed the group at gunpoint and was going to rob and kill them, yet Mike/Bonnie and the rest of the group seem to kiss his ass and defend him when Kenny was the only one right to hate Arvo. Why the hell would they trust Arvo after he and his friends tried to kill them? It's ridiculous and unrealistic. At least Kenny wouldn't try to steal supplies and take off abandoning everyone like Mike and Bonnie tried to do, knowing they were leaving a baby to die as well oh and by stealing the truck that KENNY got working for everyone. And at least Kenny would never put a baby in danger by faking the kid's death to make someone angry just to prove a point. Just totally sick in the head.
Yes, Kenny made Lee look like an asshole. "We had to let a girl get eaten to survive" and everyone else disapproves. If you do shoot the girl Kenny says "Lee shot a girl in the streets" to which everyone is shocked. Just like Gabe it would have been best for him to keep his mouth shut instead of causing drama.
Aw boo hoo! Yet the girl was already bitten and would have died either way as the decision was not made until after they witnessed that happen to the girl. Now if i had a family and friends/people to look after what would i do? Try to pointless help someone who is bitten, put them out of their misery or just ignore and get the time to gather more supplies? It's about survival, it may be a shitty thing to do but in a world like that, you have to do the hard thing sometimes and that is what Kenny and determinant Lee did. So what if
Kenny caused drama? Lilly was questioning him about supplies and safety anyway.
He is to blame for the whole Jane confrontation.
Really? Yet the "confrontation" would have been avoided had Jane not put on her oscar winning performance.
Also remember how Rebecca died because Kenny didn't want to wait for her to rest?
Again you idiotically make it sound like this was the only choice when it was determinant and yet neither choice mattered because the same thing happened to her. Also Rebecca AGREES to leave straight away if the group do decide not to wait. It's funny how you typically blame one man and don't blame Clem who actually has the final say. I don't expect anything less from a Kenny hater anyway.
If he would have worried more about being careful than being right, there might have been more survivors.
Again as i said in a previous post, Kenny had nothing to do with the cabin group's deaths except Alvin's "indirectly" at the lodge. You are typically bitter yet you can't see that everything Kenny was doing was for the group and not just himself. He sometimes didn't handle things in the best way know but that is what makes the character human, exposing his flaws.
You all claim Kenny does this stuff because he cares, but if you ask me he does it to feed his ego.
So why doesn't Kenny just up and leave with Clem and the baby? If he really didn't care why didn't he drive away with the truck the second he got the chance? Because he's not the asshole you think he is.
Well, like I said, the alcohol incident did not lead to anything so it was pointless bringing it up. Besides, Gabe's intent wasn't to hurt K… moreate. He didn't do it out of impulse either. Sorry for not looking into benign points.
As for Conrad, you are doing some serious reaching here. I don't care who it is and if they are unarmed. If anyone is threatening my family you bet your ass I would pull a gun on them. You can't assume anyone would step in because things happen in an instance. And yes, he didn't shoot. He has more self control than impulsive Kenny who would just bash a guys head in before finding out if he is truly gone. Beside, it wasn't Javi's fault at all. Even if he surrenders Conrad still blames you. He was irrational there is no defending him here.
Yes, Kenny was partially responsible for the destruction of the group. It was Kenny who shot Carver and got Alvin killed (Walt's death is also Kenny's fault). I still believe the C… [view original content]
Arvo was a good kid.
He tried to calm down the Russians, but the language was a problem. The Russians were supposed to let them go, but when the walker Rebecca was shot, everyone started to shoot each other.
Nope, I protected his son against Larry and I helped to save his son at Hershels farm.
I didn't help him killing Larry. And you are an asshole if you just kill a man who was starting to breath when you tried to revive him. This is why. Kenny straight murdered Larry very easy. This means Kenny was a selfish asshole to leave Lee and Lilly for the walkers determinantly just because he was butthurt because you don't always agree with his stupid plans.
In my game it was the very one time I didn't agree with Kenny and it was the situation with Larry. And I refused to steal the supplies from the car. I defended Kenny when Lilly argued we took Ben and the man without a leg in. Remember his boat obsessions? And asking to kill Ben in the tower is pointless murder in my books.
I guess you did everything to be likable to Kenny including killing Ben in the tower.
My Lee was a man of justice and compassion.
Finally Kenny realised my Lee was a good man and mentioned in season 2 Lee was a hell of a man who helped his family.
In season 2 we see Kenny was the same type of asshole to the cabin group and worse to Arvo.
Anyway my Clem chose to go with Kenny in the end if season 2, just because she is loyal to her loved ones.
And I love Kenny somehow. He finally realised his bad behaviors and his heart is in the right place, but this doesn't mean I have to be blind for Kenny's disturbing side.
He is a perfect written character.
Not on my playthrough he didn't. I shot the girl and he still helped my Lee out. So you must've determinately argued that his son is bit and… more should be thrown out + didn't help kill Larry, and possibly tried to save Shawn over Duck.
But that is the point: Kenny is only DETERMINATELY a dick to Lee, if Lee is siding against him all the time, and who wouldn't be pissed then? Gabe is a prick to Javi regardless of your choices/is being a brat regardless.
This just seems like an anti kenny circlejerk, Gabe is whiny dies very little for the group in every playthrough. At least if Kenny is awful there is usually a reason or a believable reason, gabe is ridiculous
Not on my playthrough he didn't. I shot the girl and he still helped my Lee out. So you must've determinately argued that his son is bit and… more should be thrown out + didn't help kill Larry, and possibly tried to save Shawn over Duck.
But that is the point: Kenny is only DETERMINATELY a dick to Lee, if Lee is siding against him all the time, and who wouldn't be pissed then? Gabe is a prick to Javi regardless of your choices/is being a brat regardless.
Actually Jane and Clem started to ambush Arvo.
Clem determinantly stole his medicines and Jane stole his gun. This could have killed Arvo to walk around without a weapon.
Arvo was alright with Clem and he was going to leave, but Jane needed to rob him.
If Jane didn't take his gun this would never had happened.
The Russian men wanted to let the cabin group go and told Arvo just to get back what they took from him: his gun!
They even asked Arvo why the other group kept pointing the gun at them and they (Russians) are nice. At the moment Arvo told the cabin group things were going to be fine, but shit happened with the baby and rebecca.
If you read the translations of the Russian conversation, you would understand.
Arvo was a good kid.
He tried to calm down the Russians
I don't care, he still ambushed Clem's group.
The Russians were supposed to let them go
No, they were supposed to rob Clem's group.
The only thing I see Kenny and Gabe having in common is that they are both rash and hot headed. Many of the examples of this were pointed out in the OP. HOWEVER, they are two very different people. Kenny is a man who handled his own despite losing everything twice and being on his own and depressed for a very long time. He is a gun that you can rely on, as he has shown time and time again by keeping people alive.
Gabe is a sheltered boy who cant even protect himself while also being capable of being as destructive as Kenny at his worst.
Arvo may have been a good kid, but Clem's group had to suffer due to his fuck up (trying to hide the medicine from his group, probably becau… morese he wanted to get away with his sister). So he got an excuse by blaming Clem's group to get his ass out of the line.
I didn't steal the medicine, but he still said we robbed him. It was an easy excuse to not get in trouble.
Gabe is just a little shit who constantly fucks up and tries to act tough when he's just a scared kid.
Gabe done nothing wrong. Asid… morees snitched on Javi. If you look through his teenage boy attitude, you'll see that he is actually resourceful and humorous. You need to just look, without bias, at his character. You'll see what I mean. I don't think he is a ben per say.
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Nice collection.
Where/when does Kenny say "Lee, man... you know I care about Clementine."?
The problem with fanboys is that they hear, but they don't listen. If you think this post is about hating Kenny you are so hopelessly misinformed. Get off your high horse and open your mind a bit
It's about you calling people who like Kenny and dislike Gabe hypocrite, and I find that a lot of people already provided sufficient counter arguments to that.
Yeah, this is pretty much what the revelations of Telltale Stream seemed to indicate. He was planning on running away with Natasha but got caught in the act and was originally supposed to come running out of the woods as the Howe's Ski Cabin Group was heading up the road with the other Russians hot on his tail and Buricko likely would've spun the development to his advantage by having Arvo get them to put down their weapons so he can rob them to redeem himself.
Ironically what he says after really says a lot. The whole quote goes "Lee, man...you know I care about Clementine. And I am a Christian man. But I keep asking myself, if this was me asking you for help, asking you to put your life on the line, would you be there for me? Because there have been plenty of times when you ain't been"
This follows by Lee trying to convince Kenny to come with him. Yeah selective evidence is the best evidence
All hail Sir Kenneth, saviour of boats and urbans!
Halloweth be thy beard, and the fruit of thy loins, Duck.
Blessed art thou RV's, and praise be unto thy eyepatches.
Woe to all those who dare oppose thee, lest they face thy wrath of salt licks.
Praise be. Praise be.
When it's his turn for Lee to appeal for his help saving Clementine if you've been relatively positive with him.
Thanks. Because I didn't have to convince him; telling me what kind of a friend he'd be if he didn't tag along, and all that.
This isn't a Kenny hate post fyi. This is about the double standards Kenny fans hold. For example in the very simplest terms consider this.
Kenny whines about (insert thing here) --> Kenny fans: Kenny's heart is in the right place, he's just going through some rough times.
Gabe whines about (insert same thing here) --> Kenny fans: What a whiny little bitch. Please kill him!!
Besides there are plenty counter arguments to those counter arguments too
I indirectly said that it isn't a Kenny Hate Thread, but a thread about you calling people hypocrites who like Kenny and dislike Gabe. How about reading properly?
Weren't you saying fanboys hear but don't listen?
Your reaching too hard for straws. You are the one who doesn't get the point. This is also not a Gabe defense thread. I am just calling out the hypocrisy of people's logic. They cut Kenny a crap ton of slack but when it comes to Gabe he gets none. And for the same reasons. I'm sorry but that is just stupid. I stand by my words. Kenny and Gabe are very similar. If you can't see how, then you are lost
Ehhh, idk about that man. You seem to be the one on this "high horse" you speak of to me.
Gabe done nothing wrong. Asides snitched on Javi. If you look through his teenage boy attitude, you'll see that he is actually resourceful and humorous. You need to just look, without bias, at his character. You'll see what I mean. I don't think he is a ben per say.
I don't think I am lost if I don't share your opinion.
Enough people explained it very well.
There's are three different responses Kenny can give. One is when you have been entirely loyal to him, which is what you got. The second is the one depicted in the screenshot, where you've done some good and some bad, so his feelings are mixed. You can still convince him to go through picking the right dialogue, but if you don't, he will refuse. The third is when you've done nothing for him and he flat out refuses to help.
Thanks for elaborating.
Well said, feel the same way
He poured alcohol into Kate's wound, determinantly shot at the feet of an unarmed man, rushed out of a hiding space and indirectly got Javi stabbed, ratted out Javi about Conrad. He's definitely fucked things up.
Preach!!!!!!
Amen. I'm more inclined to forgive Gabe because one is a child and not a grown man. And Gabe actually still cares about Javi if you don't side with him always, unlike Kenny and a Lee who did everything to help him except immediately smash a man's head in in front of his daughter.
There's a difference between being just an asshole and a relatable asshole. Say what you want about Kenny, but you can at the very least understand why he does what he does or understand whatever struggles he went through. Gabe is just a whiney and angsty prick who thinks he's larger than life.
You're right, I should've worded it differently. I revised it.
Amazing, thank you. I never would've spent so much time writing all this down, but you did it perfectly. Good job.
Clem injects drugs into a baby, without cleaning the needle or removing the clothing. She just jams it straight thru AJ's shoulder.
Clem shot at the head of an unarmed man, in a fit.
In sea2epi2 Clem can have the choice to run into a group with AKs, while tied-up, to attempt to save Alvin. What was she trying to accomplish here?
Clem's no snitch, but Javi is the biggest snitch there is. Javi can snitch on Clem for two murders on two different ocassions. Javi can rat Clem when she kills Eli and when Clem killed Lingard. The Lingard one is the worst, he says Clem killed Lingard in public in front of everyone in the NF. Gabe doesn't really seem that bad if you compare it to that.
All im saying is that all of you guys are bias.
I'm really glad I saved Conrad so I didn't have to deal with Gabe revealing that. It's funny I completely agree with those people I think that the Gabe reveal is terrible and obnoxious for the sake of drama, and if that happened when I played I would be right back with the people hating this season and thinking Gabe is the worst. Instead Gabe is just an annoying character that everyone shuts up as soon as he got mad and that's it.
As for Kenny he's a divisive character but that's part of why he is a great character
I was going to post something saying that you're wrong as well as going into further detail but I see everyone else already explained it. Damn you really got your ass handed to you.
Amen.
As @UltimateTobi said, it's about you calling Kenny fans hypocrites that's causing arguments. You are new round here and if you continue like this you will get banned by the mods. Insulting us for our opinions gets you nowhere.
Get off my high horse? How do you expect me and others to react when all you have done is insult us and been 100% anti Kenny?
Ohhh yes because waiting to find out if a (and i quote) "6'4, 300 pound seriously pissed off dead guy" is actually dead is a very smart thing to do when it would be very likely he'd turn and kill everyone had they waited, but no no we must do the right thing in a zombie apocalypse because someone's feelings is more important than saving lives (sarcasm).
And though the choice with Alvin was determinant you make it sound like it was the only choice when it wasn't for everyone. Again, Kenny didn't have to try and help the cabin group he had just met. They invaded his home remember? He tried to help though which is more than can be said for Luke who was...where exactly?
And once again you blame solely Kenny when it was actually EVERYONE'S plan to escape before the herd passed. And if i was a prisoner, I wouldn't wait for a fucking herd to pass. I'd use every opportunity to escape. What do you think it is? A hotel? And they should wait till it stops raining before they head out? Lol.
And once again this is determinant as Clem can either get him in trouble or not. And how do you expect Kenny to feel having previously been held prisoner by a bunch of fucking cannibals? Of course he would want to get out straight away. Waiting and planning with a bunch of people he just met might not have happened, they may have not been brave enough to want to try and escape again. How was he to know that?
Haha ohhh now this has me howling with laughter. You really are a blind hater aren't you? First of all Luke's death had nothing to do with Kenny and i am sorry but you are naive as hell if you think this. Luke injured his damn leg because of Arvo's Russian pals shooting him let's not forget. He would have most likely got over the ice if he had been a bit quicker. Kenny only "tortured" Arvo after Luke had died, before that it was virtually push and shove. Arvo is the one who ran across the ice, Kenny and Mike also ran. We would never know if Arvo had tried to run away anyway. I wouldn't trust that guy ever.
Lol and that was what was so fucking whack about the whole thing. Arvo and his dickhead pals ambushed the group at gunpoint and was going to rob and kill them, yet Mike/Bonnie and the rest of the group seem to kiss his ass and defend him when Kenny was the only one right to hate Arvo. Why the hell would they trust Arvo after he and his friends tried to kill them? It's ridiculous and unrealistic. At least Kenny wouldn't try to steal supplies and take off abandoning everyone like Mike and Bonnie tried to do, knowing they were leaving a baby to die as well oh and by stealing the truck that KENNY got working for everyone. And at least Kenny would never put a baby in danger by faking the kid's death to make someone angry just to prove a point. Just totally sick in the head.
Aw boo hoo! Yet the girl was already bitten and would have died either way as the decision was not made until after they witnessed that happen to the girl. Now if i had a family and friends/people to look after what would i do? Try to pointless help someone who is bitten, put them out of their misery or just ignore and get the time to gather more supplies? It's about survival, it may be a shitty thing to do but in a world like that, you have to do the hard thing sometimes and that is what Kenny and determinant Lee did. So what if
Kenny caused drama? Lilly was questioning him about supplies and safety anyway.
Really? Yet the "confrontation" would have been avoided had Jane not put on her oscar winning performance.
Again you idiotically make it sound like this was the only choice when it was determinant and yet neither choice mattered because the same thing happened to her. Also Rebecca AGREES to leave straight away if the group do decide not to wait. It's funny how you typically blame one man and don't blame Clem who actually has the final say. I don't expect anything less from a Kenny hater anyway.
Again as i said in a previous post, Kenny had nothing to do with the cabin group's deaths except Alvin's "indirectly" at the lodge. You are typically bitter yet you can't see that everything Kenny was doing was for the group and not just himself. He sometimes didn't handle things in the best way know but that is what makes the character human, exposing his flaws.
So why doesn't Kenny just up and leave with Clem and the baby? If he really didn't care why didn't he drive away with the truck the second he got the chance? Because he's not the asshole you think he is.
No he wasn't. A 'good kid' doesn't shoot a fucking child, end of story.
Nope, I protected his son against Larry and I helped to save his son at Hershels farm.
I didn't help him killing Larry. And you are an asshole if you just kill a man who was starting to breath when you tried to revive him. This is why. Kenny straight murdered Larry very easy. This means Kenny was a selfish asshole to leave Lee and Lilly for the walkers determinantly just because he was butthurt because you don't always agree with his stupid plans.
In my game it was the very one time I didn't agree with Kenny and it was the situation with Larry. And I refused to steal the supplies from the car. I defended Kenny when Lilly argued we took Ben and the man without a leg in. Remember his boat obsessions? And asking to kill Ben in the tower is pointless murder in my books.
I guess you did everything to be likable to Kenny including killing Ben in the tower.
My Lee was a man of justice and compassion.
Finally Kenny realised my Lee was a good man and mentioned in season 2 Lee was a hell of a man who helped his family.
In season 2 we see Kenny was the same type of asshole to the cabin group and worse to Arvo.
Anyway my Clem chose to go with Kenny in the end if season 2, just because she is loyal to her loved ones.
And I love Kenny somehow. He finally realised his bad behaviors and his heart is in the right place, but this doesn't mean I have to be blind for Kenny's disturbing side.
He is a perfect written character.
This just seems like an anti kenny circlejerk, Gabe is whiny dies very little for the group in every playthrough. At least if Kenny is awful there is usually a reason or a believable reason, gabe is ridiculous
Good to see everyone on these damn forums getting along.
In my game Gabe wasn't a prick because I didn't kill Conrad.
Gabe being a prick is determinant.
Actually Gabe was nice in my game.
Actually Jane and Clem started to ambush Arvo.
Clem determinantly stole his medicines and Jane stole his gun. This could have killed Arvo to walk around without a weapon.
Arvo was alright with Clem and he was going to leave, but Jane needed to rob him.
If Jane didn't take his gun this would never had happened.
The Russian men wanted to let the cabin group go and told Arvo just to get back what they took from him: his gun!
They even asked Arvo why the other group kept pointing the gun at them and they (Russians) are nice. At the moment Arvo told the cabin group things were going to be fine, but shit happened with the baby and rebecca.
If you read the translations of the Russian conversation, you would understand.
The child he thought who murdered his sister and finally he got tied up like an animal and abused by one of the group members.
End of story.
The only thing I see Kenny and Gabe having in common is that they are both rash and hot headed. Many of the examples of this were pointed out in the OP. HOWEVER, they are two very different people. Kenny is a man who handled his own despite losing everything twice and being on his own and depressed for a very long time. He is a gun that you can rely on, as he has shown time and time again by keeping people alive.
Gabe is a sheltered boy who cant even protect himself while also being capable of being as destructive as Kenny at his worst.
Jane robbed him from his gun.
Finally it was Jane who started this mess.
I say the exact same thing about people who dislike Kenny but the fact is, it's not going to happen
Are you actually justifying shooting a child?