Warning! Controversial Discussion: TELLTALE YOU MUST LET GABE LIVE TO SEE ANOTHER DAY
This is a follow up to another post found here: https://telltale.com/community/discussion/114049/my-plea-to-telltale-please-dont-kill-javier-garcia
I know some of you may be triggered with this title but you have been warned. Anyways, I might be in the minority here but I am hoping this discussion is seen and maybe considered. Gabe has to live and make it to the next season.
Like I said, I know he is widely unpopular, especially here on these forums, but I know I can't be the only one that sees his potential. I try to view all characters objectively, and because of that I do believe Gabe can be molded into a very capable survivor. Sure, he seems to complain a lot now, but I attribute that more to him coming of age rather than being ignorant. He can be impulsive as well, but so are most kids his age. Teens always think they know best and it's part of growing up. Learning to humble yourself by getting knocked down.
Most people also complain that he messes things up but these same people miss all the good he has done too. He practically saved Kate's life by running through gun fire to push her to safety. He helps Eleanor get Kate to safety when Prescott is being attacked. He defends Javi when Conrad gets aggressive after the attack. He helped Javi push the dumpster when the walkers surrounded them. He also helped block the door in the train along with Clem. And in episode 4 he helped break Javi out of jail. Now can you say anyone else would have helped in these situations? Had this been someone like Jane, she probably would have left once things started to go south for the group (no offense to Jane fans).
This brings me to my next point. Despite being hot headed, Gabe is very loyal. Like Kenny, he is always there for his family. He is always willing to lend a hand and he refuses to abandon his dad. Even though he and Kate have a bit of a rocky relationship, he still worries about her and the others. Remember how glad he was to see Javi when he came back to Richmond after being kicked out? There is no doubt that Gabe cares about his family and friends.
Finally, one last point I have is believe it or not, he is more mature than he looks. In episode 1 he tells you that he has been feeling annoyed and he knows he shouldn't be. That is a very mature conclusion to reach in my opinion. Most kids think their mood swings are justified. Gabe is one of the few who knows he should control himself. Aside from this, he handled the death of his sister better than most characters handled the death of their love ones. Remember Lilly killed Carly because she lost it when her dad died. Sarah just completely shut down when Carlos died. Kat killed herself because she couldn't handle Ducks death. Nick got drunk and was ready to die when Pete was killed. Conrad went crazy when Francine died. Even strong characters like Kenny blamed Clem for Saritas death despite it not being her fault and just broke down and withdrew from the group. The only sign of weakness he showed was when he was stabbing the walker outside of the gates, which to be honest is not a bad way to vent.
So you can see despite all the bad he supposedly does, he has a lot of good too and a lot of potential. It would be a shame for telltale to off him because the majority of people only focus on the bad. So please telltale, keep Gabe alive. He has shown his worth if you ask me and I know he can do so much more. Don't let him become a Sarah. Don't let him die before he shines. Also remember these characters usually come a long way. Lots of people hated Carl when he was younger but now I know lots of people like him. It can be the same with Gabe. This is why Gabe must live to see another day!
PS: Again NO TROLLING OR INSULTING OTHERS. BE REASONABLE.
Comments
I'm not understanding why everyone seems completely obsessed with Gabe.
He is a very complex character and in my opinion he has a lot of potential. Not many characters create such a divide in the community.
Why does him being nice, in your opinion, mean he shouldn't die? Nice people die all the time in TWD.
Gabe's seriously one of my favorites and I can't wait to see where his character goes.
I'm also really hoping he doesn't die.
It has nothing to do with him being nice. He has show much depth and in my opinion he has potential to become a great character. I just don't want him to die to please the haters. If he dies, it should be because of the plot not because "Wow people hate Gabe we should kill him off with no development to save his reputation". That's what happened to Sarah and it would be a shame if Gabe fell under the same circumstances.
There must be a good reason Telltale made Gabe's character annoying teen.
He will probably survive through the series. The sweet ones always die like Mariana died.
Thing is, Gabe had potential before episode 4, However after that scene his character lost any realism and is clearly intended to be hated. His potrayl is that of an unlikable brat.
Gabe is one of my favorite characters this season. I really hope he doesn't die, he has a lot of potential.
no.
no
KILL GABE
KILL THE LITTLE DOUCHEBAG
If you are talking about him ratting you out for killing Conrad, I didn't have that lol
So in my play through he is more a kid with just an annoying obsession to prove he is a man, which you have that along with his loose lips lol
Yeah, he's like a miniature version of Kenny. Which isn't really a good thing, mind you.
Agreed.
Especially since he's the most positive major boy character we've ever had. Which I realize isn't saying much, but still.
Yeah, I really don't like how that scene was utilized myself. Doesn't really do anything positive for his character and it just makes Tripp's pointless presence all the more brainscratch worthy.
I definitely want him to live, but the plan at the end of it all was always the same: Commuting on a Bus. I think everyone agrees that Clementine needs as much spotlight as possible next Season and I'd much rather Gabe be a character for the backlog than an immediate recurring character, unlike with Sarah. The whole
"GayBenTime" thing that everyone won't shut up about doesn't help.
I will say that I definitely appreciate some positivity during these times, though.
He's a one note, boring, and annoying brat that's better off dead.
Gabe is a little shit who sold us out if we shoot Conrad. He even told Javi to shoot Conrad, but if you don't? You're a fucking coward, at least according to Gabe.
He only cares about his dad ever since they were reunited and will only do things if they help David. I get it, David's his dad, but Javi and Kate raised him in the most traumatic time of his life. I would think he'd be more loyal to Javi at this point than David.
He's also fucked up on multiple occasions that endanger the people around him, and don't even get me started on his crush on Clem (that better not go anywhere) because she is too good for him.
I didn't have the whole scene of him telling everyone that I killed Conrad, since.. I didn't.
But Telltale certainly tried their very best to make the player hate his character throughout Episode 4. Getting Javier stabbed, yelling about how he's a 'man' every single chance he got, and not listening to anyone other than Clementine. Not to mention that he seemed to hold a grudge against Javier, at least in my game, despite me trying to support him at whatever chance I was given. I don't know why they felt the need to do this, but it couldn't have been them trying to make us like him more, that's for sure.
I want to see him develop and grow to be less annoying, and I don't particularly care if he survives right now, but I think Telltale haven't exactly done the best job of making him a character you can root for. Maybe that'll change, or maybe they'll just kill him off, but they need to do something to fix their character.
Good point Gabe never went crazy if someone died compare to the other previous seasons I played I do remember when Lily lost it after Kenny killed his Dad in the meat locker and after Sarah shut down after her (Father) Carlos was devoured by walkers by escaping the work shop and Kat shot herself after (Duck) got bitten , but I know now Gabe is growing up he wants to help his Dad and protect his (Family) from the New Frontier.
I think he's going to make it it's probably Javi , Kate or David that's going to die and beside killing of (Mariana) was quite enough I don't think they wanna kill off another kid in this season .
That would be too much child deaths for a 3rd season.
His decisions are wrong and he has a hard time accepting smarter plans of the others. One of the examples is him attacking the guard, that resulted in getting Javi stabbed. He should have learned a lesson from this mistake, but no, he says to stop making such a big deal about it and starts making plans like "give me a gun and I'll do whatever" this is just total bullsht. Also another mistake he has done is telling everyone that he killed Conrad, even though Gabe was the one saying "just shoot this guy, hes crazy". His plans would get everyone killed, and I'll bet my left ball he will mess something up in 5th episode. I believed he could change after 2nd episode, but after 4th episode I just hope theres gonna be a choice SLAP THE SHT OUTTA GABE during some dialog.
How about no? He had potential to prove himself and this is how he ends up in episode 4, throwing his own uncle under the bus for saving his stupid fucking life, destroying his relationship with Tripp and Eleanor. Nope, I think he should die, I've had ENOUGH of his BULLSHIT!!!
He has already proven himself. See the above post for proof. Besides, him throwing Javi under the bus is determinant based on your actions so this is not a solid indicator about his character. In season 1, Kenny going with Lee to save Clementine is also determinant, but we don't say Kenny is a monster for not going, because that outcome is entirely based on the player not the actual character. Gabe has some issues, but his established character is loyal and caring towards his family. Also no need to be rude. It's ok not to share this opinion but there is no need for the attitude.
No need to be so aggressive. Maybe explain why you feel that way?
Actually it isn't. He calls you a coward for sparing Conrad's life.
That's very different.
He tries too hard to become a man.
Sorry, I'm just tired of Gabe's character.
Ok, now I can see a proper discussion forming lol. I am not really seeing the connection with him calling Javi a coward and him throwing Javi under the bus. He was mad at the time because you betrayed Clementine. He comes to understand that's not the case later on. This emphasizes his loyalty if anything. Clem is his friend so of course he will feel annoyed if you "betray" her.
Also, can you explain why Kenny's determinant actions can't be indicators of his character but Gabes determinant actions are reflective of his? This doesn't seem fair from my perspective but I am interested in hearing your logic about that. In my opinion if you can criticize Gabe for determinantly throwing Javi under the bus you can also criticize Kenny for determinantly leaving Clementine. This doesn't just apply to Kenny and Gabe either. There are plenty of characters who's determinant actions aren't criticized as much as Gabes.
Finally, I view it as a positive that he is trying to step up. Many characters never do, so that in my opinion shows his potential right there.
Gabe criticizes Javi's choice no matter what, Kenny doesn't.
I'd have to disagree with that. Remember in season 2 when you are given the choice to cut off Sarita's arm? If you do or don't Kenny will criticize and blame you no matter what as well.
At least he apologized according to Season 2 Episode 5 and the flashback in ANF Episode 4.
Same thing happened with Gabe. In the next episode he tells Javi he is glad to see him and that he was worried about him. Sure in the moment he was angry but he apologized for it later as well.
That leads to the point I was trying to make. Despite Kenny's determinant actions, he is shown to care a lot about Clementine so he isn't as bad as people think. The same thing applies to Gabe. Despite his determinant actions, he cares a lot about Javi and his family so he isn't as bad as you think.
I could care less about him, but he'll live since he has to fulfill the vital love story with clementine.
Our poor Clem.
No he's not he makes stupid ass decision and reminds me of that selfish bitch Jane hope he dies
I hate Gabe because he is so terrible without any proper reasoning, I get that not everyone can be Clementine, but when you have been in the apocalypse for 4 years, you dont act like a spoiled little brat at every turn, that shit gets you killed, the only reason Gabe is even alive right now is only because the story dictates that he is, there is no logical reasoning as to why he would be alive, from the moment we see him in episode 1, he is defiant, doesnt listen listen to Javi, and runs off, never have I seen more terrible character traits for surviving, Mariana was smart and listened to the reasonable requests of the adults, but she had to be killed cus "mah emotion", whereas Gabe routinely throws a hissy fit like a little kid, only to complain about being treated like a little kid all the time.
And this is not even beginning to talk about the absolutely terrible crush he has on Clementine, Clementine hasnt aknowledged it yet, and it would be totally against her character to get in a relationship with Gabe, since he is more likely to get her killed in a hissy fit than make her happy, Clementine needs someone calm, kind and levelheaded to keep her from falling off the brink of humanity, not whatever Gabe is. But Clementine and Gabe is probably gonna end up together anyways because the writers at Telltale has chosen so, even though it makes no sense at all
Well this is the second highlight of her this season.
I mean, I'm all for Gabe surviving, I could care less either way. But please don't force Gabentine down my throat, that's all I'm asking of telltale. And if he DOES live, and they are gonna force their relationship, he needs to man up quick or lot of people aren't gonna be able to stomach it.
I also find it fascinating he's known her 1-3 days and he's just falling all over her after having 1 brief chat.
Well, to be completely and utterly honest, I think it's great Gabe can rat on players who ended up killing Conrad - it makes perfect sense lmao.
Other than that, characters like him really do get on my nerves.