Why did Tripp still protect Javi at the end of Ep 4?
If you kill Conrad in Ep 2, Gabe snitched on you in Ep 4 and Tripp will see Javi as a traitor and doesn't want you to be with him.
Later when choosing to either spare Ava or Tripp, if you choose to spare Ava, Tripp will receive double dose of betrayal and will be twice as pissed at Javi, he even threatened him to go to hell. Joan shot the one you choose to save, in this case Ava. Tripp will live only being forever resentful to him.
But even though Javi killed Conrad and tried to spare Ava (while basically letting him die) Why with all the resentment and hate, did he still choose to cover for Javi during the gunfight?
Is he forgiving Javi after seeing what Joan pulled off was way worse? or does he have ill intentions just to save for later? (or is it lazy writing by Telltale again?)
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I assume lazy writing because this whole season was half-assed... but I'd like to think it was just "Tripp being nice for no reason" like in Ep1.
Tripp covered Javi because he was going to help Clementine, and because Tripp's just generally a way too forgiving guy. I'm surprised he survived this long into the apocalypse with his attitude.
I like to think he remembers how reasonable Javitos explanation was when he said "yo he went crazy, left him in the tunnel lol" and remembered, Javis the boss.
Going by all the events combined. He probably realizes in hindsight that if Javi shot him in THAT situation there probably was a damn good reason for it. It wouldn't really make any sense at all for Javi to have just murdered Conrad for no good reason.
The logical answer would be that he realizes covering the Garcias while they wrap things up with Joan/Clint to get Richmond under control is more important at the moment and he can settle things with Javier later.
But, since this is Tripp, it's just him operating on opposite day logic again.
Tripp is just a beautiful cinnamon roll too good for this world, too pure.
No, really.
The guy is too sweet for his own good and couldn't possibly have survived this long. I'm absolutely baffled.
Let's just chalk it up to being in his best interests at the time. Tripp's in the middle of a firefight, and letting an extra gun-hand get killed doesn't exactly improve his chances of getting out, you know? There's time for hating Javier and ripping him a new asshole later, when they're not being shot at.
Tripp is secretly in love of javi that's why ;-)
It'd be a bit silly if he just sat there with a grumpy face instead of helping in the fight. Grudges can wait.
I figured he did so because the New Frontier shooting guns is the bigger problem at the moment.
Javi being alive increases Tripps chance of surviving the firefight. Besides that, why would Tripp want Javi to die? Sure Javi killed Conrad but that doesn't mean Tripp has to become a murderer.
Well he's happy to stick around Javi after he gets his community destroyed and Conrad killed so why not? Guy has issues.
"YoUr A FUCKInG MUDErER"
Cover me
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I kind of expected Tripp to let him die like how Nick was left to die by Walter in S2
Because Telltale are idiots when it comes to knowing what to do this season. They probably didn't even think "oh Tripp will be mad at Javier for killing Conrad and not choosing to save him from Joan, but its ok because the fans won't notice. We'll have Tripp cover Javier anyway". Simply put, they needed someone to cover for him seeing as Conrad was dead. It is lazy writing. They could have shown multiple times a difference in personality of each character depending on choice like they did with Lilly and Kenny but no, no they have lost their way. Same thing with Clementine still kissing Javier's ass in episode 3 even if he had sided with Conrad in episode 2. You'd think there would be some difference where Clem would be reluctant or even mention it again but oh no, all is forgotten. Story of Telltale these days
You know, this actually made me think of something-- didn't Kenny basically do the same thing all the way back in the very first episode of the game? No matter how you treated him or his family, he saves you in the pharmacy after Larry knocks you out. You can throw his son under the bus at every opportunity, blame and berate him for Shawn's death, claim you're not on his side, and just overall side against him at every turn... but he still saves you. I mean, I guess Kenny does have a bit more motivation for coming back to save someone, given his guilt over what happened to Shawn, but still... you can play the game in such a way where he has absolutely no good reason to save Lee outside of his guilty conscience. And given Kenny's hesitance to later help Lee in episode 3 if you didn't help him kill Larry, or take his side enough times at the end of episode 4, it seems a bit weird this is the one time he sticks his neck out for somebody who treated him badly, and arguably even worse than in the Larry situation.
Happened in the perfect season 1, doesn't count.
I reeeeally don't want to spark an argument like an idiot again, but dammit, I can't lie-- there's a part of me that really wants to agree with this
Actually, Javi didn't tell him anything, Tripp decided himself to cover Javi.
According to @Deltino, Tripp covering Javi if you killed Conrad or not is very similar to Kenny saving Lee at the drugstore regardless if you chose to side against him in Episode 1. Shouldn't have Kenny left Lee to die after the shit he has done to him? Like saving Shawn instead of Duck and side with Larry to throw Duck out of the drugstore?
I still put it down to Telltale just throwing in the first capable body of helping Javier. I don't think for a minute Telltale even thought about the past choices Javier made for Tripp to be mad at him. Conrad took his place only so the character could get screen time in my view.
As for Kenny saving Lee no matter what in the drugstore, at least with that they had Kenny either say "i'm not letting somebody else get eaten today...especially a good friend or even if he is an asshole.
They could have at least had Tripp be hostile or positive despite covering Javier but no they give us nothing to satisfy our choices feeling like they mattered
He does say "I don't let anyone else get eaten today - especially a good friend.", does he say the latter as well, when you sided against him all the time up until that point? If not, it might've been his general attitude until then to help people out, even if they were unlikable from his perspective. Who knows how his attitude might've changed in the 3 months between E1 and E2.
Just to clarify my comment was intended to come across as sarcasm. Whenever someone shits on ANF because of some reason or other and I see someone say "but they did a similar thing in season 1" people tend to throw some rubbish excuse at you about why that's not the case.
He says the same thing just replace the good friend bit with "even if he's an asshole"
Alright, thanks for clarification.
All that changes is the end of the line-- "I'm not letting someone else get eaten today... even if he is an asshole."
Maybe his attitude did change, but that just makes it more awkward, if you ask me-- he's willing to save a guy who has sided against him multiple times, who he's known for less than a day, over a guy he's known for three months that sided against him once, and on a much more morally grey situation at that.
Maybe he still had the mindset of "This stuff gets sorted out soon.", as he hoped for it when they were all at the motor in. And who wants to be charged for not helping someone in need, I don't know.
Granted, it's a somewhat "cheap" way to keep the plot going, but I buy it. After 3 months of shit together, if Lee then decides to side against Kenny, maybe he perceives it as more of a threat than when everything just happened and thought that everything will go back to normal.
Hope you get what I am trying to say, I am not good in expressing myself.
To be fair, his lines do change in the scene just prior, based on what happened to Conrad, and thus, your relationship with him. If you choose Ava and Conrad is still alive, he calls Javi out for throwing him under the bus after he trusted him. If you choose Ava and Conrad is dead, he angrily calls Javi a backstabber and a murderer (and some other things, too)
Not exactly the same case as with Kenny, sure, but his lines do change based on your relationship with him, even if it hinges on Conrad's fate.
While I don't hate ANF to guts, it's definitely my least favorite of the three seasons. The only reason I play it is Clementine. And I enjoy every moment she's on screen. So I really hope they go back to S1/S2 or something inbetween quality with Season Four, if there is one.
Ok didn't realise that actually, I assumed strongly lol
I had a similar thought a while back myself. In part because even back in Part 2, there were a few moments where they seemed to mix up the two in terms of demeanor/temperament.
Awww poor bby being betrayed by his bae TWICE
Yeah also near the end of Ep3 when Javier tells Conrad and Tripp to go and find Eleanor in the medical centre whilst he goes to Kate and Gabe, later on Eleanor and Tripp return but where on Earth did Conrad go? It's like Telltale completely forgot abou him, not even a line to explain that he had gone ahead or something, nothing.
Well, he obviously wouldn't put his personal issues there. Then again, it would happen regardless if you kill Conrad or not....
Holy shit, I completely forgot about him myself.
Exactly. Sucks when you look back and see how shoddy Telltale have been
Yeah, I try to be pretty forgiving about certain little things anyway and there's a few nitpicks and issues here and there that I've intentionally neglected to mention(with decreasing investment, mind you) for the sake of getting through this with a relative positive outlook.
Unfortunately, I feel like the "stakes" of finale has already made that feel kinda pointless.
You could explain it away with, "if you survive 4 years in the apocalypse, you probably know when its a good idea to hold on to your allies, such as when a whole community is shooting at you", but its probably just lazy writing, honestly it feels like the entire choice path of shooting Conrad has been severely underdeveloped compared to letting him live, I am all for the fact that one choice leads to a better outcome than the other, but so far there hasnt been a single good thing happen from shooting Conrad, except like 1 time where Clem defends you when Gabe rats you out, they should have really had Clem be much colder towards Javi if you let Conrad live
This is true for most of the main group really, no way Gabe would survive this long while being such a dickbag, no way Kate would survive so long while being ignorant, smoking weed, and generally not having any character traits beyond hating David and boning Javi, Javier, we dont really know, but considering his general attitude and stuff, I feel like he wouldnt last long either, Mariana is probably the smartest of the bunch, so maybe we can assume that Javier kinda knows what he is doing since he has probably taught Mariana
Frankly it feels like the only reason alot of the characters is alive is just "lol plot"
I'm not gonna go ahead and say that season 1 is perfect here, because it isnt, but at least thats more variance than we have had on some characters in A New Frontier
It has felt like, to me at least, that most choices this season has like 1 or 2 specific lines that it affects somewhere down the line, and not the general mood, in season 1 it felt alot more like peoples disposition towards you changed, and they changed their behaviour depending on your choices. And while it didnt change too much, I really liked how at the end of season 1, how you handled things throughout the season changed who would help you find Clementine, why havent we seen stuff like that in later installments