Who cares.
What do you mean who cares? Gabe was acting like a whiny bitch to Javier for saving his stupid life and he still acts like a liability after 4 years of apocalypse. Clementine and Mariana are WAY smarter than this piece of shit.
Nothing you said is true or wrong. And actually nothing I said is true or wrong lol.
All what we did is assuming this and that.
Like I see most of your posts are about assuming things anyway.
Well for once we actually agree except that what do you mean when you say i assume things in most of my posts? Assume what? A lot of what i said is factual evidence.
And wether it is Arvo's fault or not, he wasn't the one who broke the ice from Luke. This was a bad accident.
Everyone was walking slowly across the ice and then after Arvo ran, half his body fell through the ice as it broke so i'm not quite sure why you are saying it's not his fault because the ice only started breaking after that happened. If i was to be completely fair to you, the whole group were partially to blame as well for dangerously walking across the ice anyway but Arvo certainly didn't help things.
But finally we can assume it was Jane's fault since she started this mess from the very beginning.
It was Jane's fault that the Russians had ambushed the group and even if we as Clem didn't steal from Arvo, Jane still threatened him so yes we can agree on this.
In fact everyone is right or wrong about their opinions lol.
Yes because that is what an opinion involves, neither a right or wrong view. However, when facts are displayed in front of you, that is different.
Just calm down Dan.
I think i have been very calm considering. I haven't exactly hurled abuse at you or been overly horrible to you. We all feel very strongly on certain topics so naturally when someone's view is different we are going to debate it. Sometimes they get very heated, other times it can be civil
Nothing you said is true or wrong. And actually nothing I said is true or wrong lol.
All what we did is assuming this and that.
Like I see… more most of your posts are about assuming things anyway.
Doesn't matter what is truth, in Telltale games it is about personal experiences and choices.
I have seen lots of peoples did say Kenny is an asshole, Kenny is nice, Gabe is a prick, Gabe is nice.
My version of Kenny is a man with a good heart but acting like a prick when things doesn't go his way and he easily get angered and agressive and beating/killing peoples. Some people hate this behavior, others think it is cool and badass.
I guess you chose to watch Carver to die..just an example.
And wether it is Arvo's fault or not, he wasn't the one who broke the ice from Luke. This was a bad accident.
But finally we can assume it was Jane's fault since she started this mess from the very beginning.
In fact everyone is right or wrong about their opinions lol.
Just calm down Dan.
Kenny = impulsive, whiny, quick to anger and prone to mood swings
Gabe = impulsive, whiny, quick to anger and prone to mood swings
Whe… moren you break them down to their core, they are pretty similar. I realized the only reason most can not see this aside from being biased in this comparison is that Kenny has had the chance to redeem himself but Gabe hasn't, but the season isn't over yet and that can change.
So what she was way smarter.
This is the diversity of kids.
There are smart kids, there are stupid kids..
So in walking dead world same full of smart and dumb kids lol
Forget the motives, the actions are the exact same.
You say that the motives don't matter though the actions do. Motives are what classifies things as good or bad. Actions alone can't prove anything.
Take this for instance: Scenario 1:
Person A shoots Person B.
But, person B has been sleeping with Person A's wife for the past few months, and person A has not known this until now. He kills him in cold blood.
Scenario 2:
Person A shoots Person B.
But, person B has just kidnapped Person A's wife after the wife's numerous denials to hook up with him[person B]. Person A saves his loved one.
Out of the two, it is clear one is more morally justifiable than the other.
By the way, yes, I did read through the past conversation.
Yes, Kenny did have some rash moments, I can agree with that. ("First, I'm gonna grab the first son of a bitch's gun I see, and use it to shoot the next son of a bitch!")
But some of the instances you mentioned of Kenny were justifiable. He was just trying to help (sometimes in his own twisted way, but at least it helped sometimes.)
I think the problem with Gabe is that he wants to help, but he doesn't really understand what he is doing to help. He was going to shoot Conrad but there was no reason to. Conrad was simply angry at Javier, not threatening to kill him right then and there.
Kenny was torturing Arvo because it was evident Arvo sent his friends after them to kill them because of stolen supplies (and in my case, supplies weren't stolen, so Kenny felt that Arvo did deserve punishment for that) I'm not saying I support Arvo's torture. I did not like seeing Kenny torture him, as at that point Arvo was really harmless (or so I thought).
The point being, Kenny was a good man in some moments, and a bad one in others. Gabe wants to be a good man who can help, but so far he does it in the wrong ways.
Plus, we all have our opinions, so if people don't see things the way you do, don't desperately try to convince them.
EDIT: Okay, I did give some bad examples for Kenny there, but I'm trying to say that Kenny's was justifiable (but wrong) Gabe's actions so far were justifiable (but handled poorly) Kenny made up for what he did throughout the 2 seasons we were with him. Gabe... not so much.
I can see you are just covering your ears yelling "la la la la Ican'thearyou la la la". Look I am not trying to degrade Kenny's character. I… more am just exposing the hypocrisy of Gabe haters and Kenny worshipers. Prime example, one which you yourself mentioned.
Christ, here we go again with this point. No matter what Kenny said he is still not responsible for Lee looking like an asshole. Lee is the one who had the option to kill or leave the girl. The only reason you think Kenny made Lee look like an asshole is because he informed Lilly of what he did or didn't do instead of keeping it to himself. There are consequences to your actions and this is it.
The exact thing can be said about Gabe exposing Javi to the group. In fact take a look for yourself:
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But clem blames you for shooting Joan
But she doesn't judge my choice.
also blames you for trusting David to leave Richmond with you safely
She still doesn't trust David.
So in walking dead world same full of smart and dumb kids lol
That's just another problem with Gabe, though. He's an unrealistic character. By this point in the apocalypse, dumb and whining teenagers with no basic understanding of how to handle themselves or their surroundings would've died out. A year in, maybe, but four entire years in, it's just stupid.
So what she was way smarter.
This is the diversity of kids.
There are smart kids, there are stupid kids..
So in walking dead world same full of smart and dumb kids lol
Well he didn't survive on his own.
He had Javi and Kate to save his ass.
And they just have lived on the road very isolated from peoples.
Gabe seem to know how to kill a walker and how to use a gun. He is just not very experienced with peoples and communities, wich is possible after just living on the road with a stepmother, uncle and a little sister.
So very possible.
So in walking dead world same full of smart and dumb kids lol
That's just another problem with Gabe, though. He's an unrealistic cha… moreracter. By this point in the apocalypse, dumb and whining teenagers with no basic understanding of how to handle themselves or their surroundings would've died out. A year in, maybe, but four entire years in, it's just stupid.
No, not really. The entire idea of Javier and his family having lived a perfectly okay life in their little van for four entire years, where they'd had no experience in dealing with bandits or any other trouble with people, in a world that's meant to be a literal hell, is unrealistic. By that point in time, most of them should be somewhat harden survivors. But nope, we're actually meant to buy that Gabe would seriously be this incompetent after living a good portion of his young life in the apocalypse...
Well he didn't survive on his own.
He had Javi and Kate to save his ass.
And they just have lived on the road very isolated from peoples.
… more Gabe seem to know how to kill a walker and how to use a gun. He is just not very experienced with peoples and communities, wich is possible after just living on the road with a stepmother, uncle and a little sister.
So very possible.
You don't know wether they had to deal with bandits or not.
This time skip we haven't seen or heard about.
Just Kate can mention determinantly about Javi being shot before.
So we can assume they had to deal with shit before.
Like newcomers who didn't play season 1 and 2 won't know anything about Clem before.
All we know is Javi didn't live in communities. Just on the road.
We can assume Kate and Javi were very capable survivors. Especially Kate did the job and she was kinda right they had to leave Richmond for their best.
So very possible.
No, not really. The entire idea of Javier and his family having lived a perfectly okay life in their little van fo… morer four entire years, where they'd had no experience in dealing with bandits or any other trouble with people, in a world that's meant to be a literal hell, is unrealistic. By that point in time, most of them should be somewhat harden survivors. But nope, we're actually meant to buy that Gabe would seriously be this incompetent after living a good portion of his young life in the apocalypse...
You don't know wether they had to deal with bandits or not.
No, but it's pretty darn obvious. If they had dealt with bandits, I'd hardly doubt Gabe would be as incompetent as he seems to be in this game. If they'd gone through some shit, Gabe would've learnt from that and would be able to have some understanding of how to deal with things this time around. Instead, though, he goes around moaning about the most mundane of things, such as his sleeping conditions in a warm van, implying he's yet to face much hardship in the apocalypse, outside of being separated from David.
We can assume Kate and Javi were very capable survivors.
Capable? Capable survivors who seem to be unaware of the fact that the trailer they find in the first episode is occupied, where one can even determinedly suggest staying for the night, or when another jumps out of her position during a gunfight to "save" someone who's already dead? Yeah, real capable.
You don't know wether they had to deal with bandits or not.
This time skip we haven't seen or heard about.
Just Kate can mention determina… morently about Javi being shot before.
So we can assume they had to deal with shit before.
Like newcomers who didn't play season 1 and 2 won't know anything about Clem before.
All we know is Javi didn't live in communities. Just on the road.
We can assume Kate and Javi were very capable survivors. Especially Kate did the job and she was kinda right they had to leave Richmond for their best.
he was willing to sacrifice himself to save Christa (Whom he assumed was pregnant
Really? Must have missed that. When did Kenny assume she was pregnant or give an indication that he guessed she was? I know he looked shocked when she downed the whiskey for example but when was there another hint about this?
Whilst I agree with some of your points, you have to remember than Kenny isn't just 'whining', he's, for the most part (Episode 3 onwards), … moregrieving for his lost ones (Duck, Katjaa, Sarita, even Lee). Whilst many other people have lost loved ones as well and have gone past the grieving stage, Kenny never really had the chance to, as he was constantly faced with peril that would endanger his loved ones and he to, was willing to give up his life if it meant the safety of those he cared for. Does Kenny whine? Yes, like all characters, but he mostly grieves and goes through a depressive state of mind. If you can't understand and forgive Gabe for his 'whining', then I'm sure you can do the same for Kenny.
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He looked on her belly specifically, twice. As Christa did. So I assume he was at least guessing she was pregnant. And shocked when she downed the whiskey.
he was willing to sacrifice himself to save Christa (Whom he assumed was pregnant
Really? Must have missed that. When did Kenny assu… moreme she was pregnant or give an indication that he guessed she was? I know he looked shocked when she downed the whiskey for example but when was there another hint about this?
He looked on her belly specifically, twice. As Christa did. So I assume he was at least guessing she was pregnant. And shocked when she downed the whiskey.
Well, every place you encounter in the ZA might be abandoned as peoples die every day.
So the trailer could have been abandoned.
In this ZA is most likely people keep moving and not staying in the same place for a long time just in the wilderness, outside of a highly guarded and defended community. Javi should have taken the risk to go inside, unlike Kate who wanted to leave quickly.
If Jave determinantly wants to sleep in the trailer, we can assume it was always Kate making the right decisions in the past. We only know Javi got shot before in the ZA, perhaps by bandits.
The cabin group of season 2 found an abandoned cabin after they fled from Carver and should take the risk to move in the place. Food and shelter isn't easy to find. It would have been possible too the previous owners just would have returned after and would ambush the group wich took their place.
You don't know wether they had to deal with bandits or not.
No, but it's pretty darn obvious. If they had dealt with bandits, I'd ha… morerdly doubt Gabe would be as incompetent as he seems to be in this game. If they'd gone through some shit, Gabe would've learnt from that and would be able to have some understanding of how to deal with things this time around. Instead, though, he goes around moaning about the most mundane of things, such as his sleeping conditions in a warm van, implying he's yet to face much hardship in the apocalypse, outside of being separated from David.
We can assume Kate and Javi were very capable survivors.
Capable? Capable survivors who seem to be unaware of the fact that the trailer they find in the first episode is occupied, where one can even determinedly suggest staying for the night, or when another jumps out of her position during a gunfight to "save" someone who's already dead? Yeah, real capable.
Well I doubt he was looking at her fuckin tits, man, drunk or not.
He does a pretty noticeable double-take both as she's drinking(surprise/shock/realization), then after she's handed the bottle back to him(quick aside glance). It's clearly either surprise that she can really hold her liquor(1st playthrough, comedic) or realizing that's she's doing so despite being pregnant(subsequent playthroughs, serious).
Well certain things weren't always noticeable so i will have to see that scene again. Still doesn't explain how he may have suspected her before this though
Well I doubt he was looking at her fuckin tits, man, drunk or not.
He does a pretty noticeable double-take both as she's drinking(surpris… moree/shock/realization), then after she's handed the bottle back to him(quick aside glance). It's clearly either surprise that she can really hold her liquor(1st playthrough, comedic) or realizing that's she's doing so despite being pregnant(subsequent playthroughs, serious).
Well certain things weren't always noticeable so i will have to see that scene again. Still doesn't explain how he may have suspected her before this though
Yeah, I know. Still trying to figure that out.
Then again, if he can fuckin deliver AJ because he might've been in a hospital room over 12 years ago...
Kenny does say in Amid the Ruins something along the lines of "it's ok you help the others outside Clem, i'll handle this, i've been there before" so yeah he probably was in a hospital room with dear o'l Katjaa over 12 years ago lol
Yeah, I know. Still trying to figure that out.
Then again, if he can fuckin deliver AJ because he might've been in a hospital room over 12 years ago...
That's kinda the issue though. Like, I know it was supposed to be inspirational and miraculous and what not, but for all those women(especially Rebecca and probably Sarah) to not have a clue what to do about an incoming baby and turn to Kenny because "he had a son once" was like "come on, people!".
Kenny does say in Amid the Ruins something along the lines of "it's ok you help the others outside Clem, i'll handle this, i've been there before" so yeah he probably was in a hospital room with dear o'l Katjaa over 12 years ago lol
I guess in the realistic sense though that he was the only one the group could turn to who had an idea what to do but i agree. It's not like he actually helped Katjaa deliver Duck in the hospital room. All he probably did was hold her hand lol
That's kinda the issue though. Like, I know it was supposed to be inspirational and miraculous and what not, but for all those women(especia… morelly Rebecca and probably Sarah) to not have a clue what to do about an incoming baby and turn to Kenny because "he had a son once" was like "come on, people!".
He was the only one who had some kind of idea how that process works, whether or not he just held hands with Katjaa. Just seeing what happens gives you an advantage over someone who has never witnessed a baby being born. So yeah, the most logical conclusion is to turn to Kenny who has at least some, even if minor, knowledge over someone who has none at all.
That's kinda the issue though. Like, I know it was supposed to be inspirational and miraculous and what not, but for all those women(especia… morelly Rebecca and probably Sarah) to not have a clue what to do about an incoming baby and turn to Kenny because "he had a son once" was like "come on, people!".
It wasn't, though. Nor did it look as if it was abandoned, considering the food that was left there. What I'm saying is Javier having even an option to choose to stay in a place that clearly was occupied does make him look a bit incompetent and would suggest he, too, like Gabe, had yet to face any serious trouble for the past four years, excluding an apparent shooting that we have no context on.
Well, every place you encounter in the ZA might be abandoned as peoples die every day.
So the trailer could have been abandoned.
In this … moreZA is most likely people keep moving and not staying in the same place for a long time just in the wilderness, outside of a highly guarded and defended community. Javi should have taken the risk to go inside, unlike Kate who wanted to leave quickly.
If Jave determinantly wants to sleep in the trailer, we can assume it was always Kate making the right decisions in the past. We only know Javi got shot before in the ZA, perhaps by bandits.
The cabin group of season 2 found an abandoned cabin after they fled from Carver and should take the risk to move in the place. Food and shelter isn't easy to find. It would have been possible too the previous owners just would have returned after and would ambush the group wich took their place.
This is the world of the walking dead.
Nothing look like what it is in the ZA.
Abandoned, occupied just a few minutes ago. Previous owners can be dead anyway every second in this world.
Perhaps Javi was just playing the cool uncle with the kids, and Kate would have made the right decision anyway.
We see how pissed she got with him because he always makes her look like the bad stepmother. Finally Kate looked like the leader of this small group determinantly.
So the trailer could have been abandoned.
It wasn't, though. Nor did it look as if it was abandoned, considering the food that was l… moreeft there. What I'm saying is Javier having even an option to choose to stay in a place that clearly was occupied does make him look a bit incompetent and would suggest he, too, like Gabe, had yet to face any serious trouble for the past four years, excluding an apparent shooting that we have no context on.
That moment between the two characters existed to show Kenny's concerns about Christa, him assuming Christa was pregnant would make their interaction have meaning and would explain his facial expression and arguably even why he chose to save Christa. It's an insinuation but their interaction at that point in time would be rather meaningless if it was only to express his shock at Christa's drinking ability.
he was willing to sacrifice himself to save Christa (Whom he assumed was pregnant
Really? Must have missed that. When did Kenny assu… moreme she was pregnant or give an indication that he guessed she was? I know he looked shocked when she downed the whiskey for example but when was there another hint about this?
Why would Kenny offer her a drink if he knew/assumed she was pregnant though? Maybe he looked shocked the way a woman downed whiskey which is not something seen very often?
I'm not disagreeing with you, i'm just looking at this from another perspective. It still doesn't show when Kenny found out she was pregnant though. There was never any indication he knew/assumed before this scene is what i am saying.
That moment between the two characters existed to show Kenny's concerns about Christa, him assuming Christa was pregnant would make their in… moreteraction have meaning and would explain his facial expression and arguably even why he chose to save Christa. It's an insinuation but their interaction at that point in time would be rather meaningless if it was only to express his shock at Christa's drinking ability.
I think the point is that Kenny assumed AFTER Christa downed the whiskey, since Christa had one or two looks at her belly as well; Kenny noticed that and looked too. I think the brain was hard at work at that point. But Christa must've given a fuck in that moment and downed it. And Kenny realized. That she's downing/just downed a lot of whiskey, though she's pregnant.
Why would Kenny offer her a drink if he knew/assumed she was pregnant though? Maybe he looked shocked the way a woman downed whiskey which i… mores not something seen very often?
I'm not disagreeing with you, i'm just looking at this from another perspective. It still doesn't show when Kenny found out she was pregnant though. There was never any indication he knew/assumed before this scene is what i am saying.
I think the point is that Kenny assumed AFTER Christa downed the whiskey, since Christa had one or two looks at her belly as well; Kenny not… moreiced that and looked too. I think the brain was hard at work at that point. But Christa must've given a fuck in that moment and downed it. And Kenny realized. That she's downing/just downed a lot of whiskey, though she's pregnant.
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Gabe was definitely being a shit kid but I didn't have a problem with that scene because I already told Jesus and Tripp I shot Conrad.
I had a huge problem with Tripp though for freaking out at me about something he already knew (I honestly don't whether it was a plothole or my game glitched).
Now I don't hate Gabe, and I admit that I like Kenny. But you seem to have taken things overboard. Especially with the summary of the comparison. Like how they're both impulsive and quick to anger. "ergo you can't like one and hate the other." That simplifies it too much not taking into account the context of the situations they're in. Now I don't hate Gabe and am willing to put up with him. But I wouldn't call people who hate Gabe and like Kenny hypocrites.
First of all, practically speaking Kenny's more worth tolerating. Gabe isn't completely useless per-se and does good things, but Kenny's on a different level in contribution. I am sure you've heard all the examples before. When he saves Lee, the constant scavenging outings with him. When he gets the truck working, or the boat. He's an experienced man, although perhaps it's unfair to judge Gabe to him in this aspect given that Gabe is younger.
In addition to this, Kenny is really good at bouncing back and making up. He doesn't always do it immediately, but when he does. He's a great selfless help to others. Like when he tells you "you haven't helped me every time, so why should I help you?", you can remind him of your help to his family and he'll remember it's not all just about him and helps you. In that same episode right after two arguments with Ben and you respectively, he calls back to what set you and him apart and reflects on it. And also reflects on the nature of his hate for Ben and Ben's circumstances. And after the whole sarita thing, he helps with the baby.
You see at some stages you can set Kenny on the right path with the right words. And at other stages he'll set himself back on the right path all on his own. Gabe on the other hand he......his misdoings are rarely brought up again, but I am ok with this cause he's a kid. And when he does bring it up (like after he tried to help Kate with her injury), it's appreciated. But even with that in mind, other people hating Gabe and not Kenny is not hypocritical. Especially because of how much putting up with Kenny's BS really pays off in both usefulness and Love. It might with Gabe also, but less so, and some people are more willing to put up with men's stresses than with what appears to be kids's childishness. And the situations that drive Kenny to his terrible moments, while not justifiable, are more understandable than Gabe's.
Sorry if I went all over the place. But while I like both characters. I can see why one would like one but not the other without it being logically or emotionally inconsistent. And I am sure there can also be some consistent viewpoints that can lend someone to like Gabe more than Kenny. Without the existence of hypocrisy.
Actually there never is an option to tell them you shot Conrad. You can say "I don't know where he is", "we left him because he attacked us", or "the walkers got him"
Gabe was definitely being a shit kid but I didn't have a problem with that scene because I already told Jesus and Tripp I shot Conrad.
I ha… mored a huge problem with Tripp though for freaking out at me about something he already knew (I honestly don't whether it was a plothole or my game glitched).
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So what?
Gabe is a teenager.
Lot of teenagers are whiny bitches to parents for no reason.
Well for once we actually agree except that what do you mean when you say i assume things in most of my posts? Assume what? A lot of what i said is factual evidence.
Everyone was walking slowly across the ice and then after Arvo ran, half his body fell through the ice as it broke so i'm not quite sure why you are saying it's not his fault because the ice only started breaking after that happened. If i was to be completely fair to you, the whole group were partially to blame as well for dangerously walking across the ice anyway but Arvo certainly didn't help things.
It was Jane's fault that the Russians had ambushed the group and even if we as Clem didn't steal from Arvo, Jane still threatened him so yes we can agree on this.
Yes because that is what an opinion involves, neither a right or wrong view. However, when facts are displayed in front of you, that is different.
I think i have been very calm considering. I haven't exactly hurled abuse at you or been overly horrible to you. We all feel very strongly on certain topics so naturally when someone's view is different we are going to debate it. Sometimes they get very heated, other times it can be civil
"So what?" Mariana was way fucking smarter than him and she was just 10 years old.
Kenny voice:
"Everyday's a school day."
lmao.
So what she was way smarter.
This is the diversity of kids.
There are smart kids, there are stupid kids..
So in walking dead world same full of smart and dumb kids lol
But clem blames you for shooting Joan but also blames you for trusting David to leave Richmond with you safely
But she doesn't judge my choice.
She still doesn't trust David.
You say that the motives don't matter though the actions do. Motives are what classifies things as good or bad. Actions alone can't prove anything.
Take this for instance:
Scenario 1:
Person A shoots Person B.
But, person B has been sleeping with Person A's wife for the past few months, and person A has not known this until now. He kills him in cold blood.
Scenario 2:
Person A shoots Person B.
But, person B has just kidnapped Person A's wife after the wife's numerous denials to hook up with him[person B]. Person A saves his loved one.
Out of the two, it is clear one is more morally justifiable than the other.
By the way, yes, I did read through the past conversation.
Yes, Kenny did have some rash moments, I can agree with that. ("First, I'm gonna grab the first son of a bitch's gun I see, and use it to shoot the next son of a bitch!")
But some of the instances you mentioned of Kenny were justifiable. He was just trying to help (sometimes in his own twisted way, but at least it helped sometimes.)
I think the problem with Gabe is that he wants to help, but he doesn't really understand what he is doing to help. He was going to shoot Conrad but there was no reason to. Conrad was simply angry at Javier, not threatening to kill him right then and there.
Kenny was torturing Arvo because it was evident Arvo sent his friends after them to kill them because of stolen supplies (and in my case, supplies weren't stolen, so Kenny felt that Arvo did deserve punishment for that) I'm not saying I support Arvo's torture. I did not like seeing Kenny torture him, as at that point Arvo was really harmless (or so I thought).
The point being, Kenny was a good man in some moments, and a bad one in others. Gabe wants to be a good man who can help, but so far he does it in the wrong ways.
Plus, we all have our opinions, so if people don't see things the way you do, don't desperately try to convince them.
EDIT: Okay, I did give some bad examples for Kenny there, but I'm trying to say that Kenny's was justifiable (but wrong) Gabe's actions so far were justifiable (but handled poorly) Kenny made up for what he did throughout the 2 seasons we were with him. Gabe... not so much.
My point is that she disapproves with both of the choices, and there is no 3rd option that she can agree with.
That's just another problem with Gabe, though. He's an unrealistic character. By this point in the apocalypse, dumb and whining teenagers with no basic understanding of how to handle themselves or their surroundings would've died out. A year in, maybe, but four entire years in, it's just stupid.
I understand why she doesn't though.
Well he didn't survive on his own.
He had Javi and Kate to save his ass.
And they just have lived on the road very isolated from peoples.
Gabe seem to know how to kill a walker and how to use a gun. He is just not very experienced with peoples and communities, wich is possible after just living on the road with a stepmother, uncle and a little sister.
So very possible.
But she knows that javi only has 2 choices : open fire or accepting the deal. So what is the point in disapproving with the only 2 available options?
No, not really. The entire idea of Javier and his family having lived a perfectly okay life in their little van for four entire years, where they'd had no experience in dealing with bandits or any other trouble with people, in a world that's meant to be a literal hell, is unrealistic. By that point in time, most of them should be somewhat harden survivors. But nope, we're actually meant to buy that Gabe would seriously be this incompetent after living a good portion of his young life in the apocalypse...
You don't know wether they had to deal with bandits or not.
This time skip we haven't seen or heard about.
Just Kate can mention determinantly about Javi being shot before.
So we can assume they had to deal with shit before.
Like newcomers who didn't play season 1 and 2 won't know anything about Clem before.
All we know is Javi didn't live in communities. Just on the road.
We can assume Kate and Javi were very capable survivors. Especially Kate did the job and she was kinda right they had to leave Richmond for their best.
No, but it's pretty darn obvious. If they had dealt with bandits, I'd hardly doubt Gabe would be as incompetent as he seems to be in this game. If they'd gone through some shit, Gabe would've learnt from that and would be able to have some understanding of how to deal with things this time around. Instead, though, he goes around moaning about the most mundane of things, such as his sleeping conditions in a warm van, implying he's yet to face much hardship in the apocalypse, outside of being separated from David.
Capable? Capable survivors who seem to be unaware of the fact that the trailer they find in the first episode is occupied, where one can even determinedly suggest staying for the night, or when another jumps out of her position during a gunfight to "save" someone who's already dead? Yeah, real capable.
Really? Must have missed that. When did Kenny assume she was pregnant or give an indication that he guessed she was? I know he looked shocked when she downed the whiskey for example but when was there another hint about this?
He looked on her belly specifically, twice. As Christa did. So I assume he was at least guessing she was pregnant. And shocked when she downed the whiskey.
He looked at her belly? I'd have to see that again because that wasn't made clear to me at all
Well, every place you encounter in the ZA might be abandoned as peoples die every day.
So the trailer could have been abandoned.
In this ZA is most likely people keep moving and not staying in the same place for a long time just in the wilderness, outside of a highly guarded and defended community. Javi should have taken the risk to go inside, unlike Kate who wanted to leave quickly.
If Jave determinantly wants to sleep in the trailer, we can assume it was always Kate making the right decisions in the past. We only know Javi got shot before in the ZA, perhaps by bandits.
The cabin group of season 2 found an abandoned cabin after they fled from Carver and should take the risk to move in the place. Food and shelter isn't easy to find. It would have been possible too the previous owners just would have returned after and would ambush the group wich took their place.
This is the world of the walking dead.
Well I doubt he was looking at her fuckin tits, man, drunk or not.
He does a pretty noticeable double-take both as she's drinking(surprise/shock/realization), then after she's handed the bottle back to him(quick aside glance). It's clearly either surprise that she can really hold her liquor(1st playthrough, comedic) or realizing that's she's doing so despite being pregnant(subsequent playthroughs, serious).
Well certain things weren't always noticeable so i will have to see that scene again. Still doesn't explain how he may have suspected her before this though
Yeah, I know. Still trying to figure that out.
Then again, if he can fuckin deliver AJ because he might've been in a hospital room over 12 years ago...
Mind your fuckin language Dabby lol
Kenny does say in Amid the Ruins something along the lines of "it's ok you help the others outside Clem, i'll handle this, i've been there before" so yeah he probably was in a hospital room with dear o'l Katjaa over 12 years ago lol
That's kinda the issue though. Like, I know it was supposed to be inspirational and miraculous and what not, but for all those women(especially Rebecca and probably Sarah) to not have a clue what to do about an incoming baby and turn to Kenny because "he had a son once" was like "come on, people!".
I guess in the realistic sense though that he was the only one the group could turn to who had an idea what to do but i agree. It's not like he actually helped Katjaa deliver Duck in the hospital room. All he probably did was hold her hand lol
He was the only one who had some kind of idea how that process works, whether or not he just held hands with Katjaa. Just seeing what happens gives you an advantage over someone who has never witnessed a baby being born. So yeah, the most logical conclusion is to turn to Kenny who has at least some, even if minor, knowledge over someone who has none at all.
Are you still defending this fucking shitcock after watching this video?
It wasn't, though. Nor did it look as if it was abandoned, considering the food that was left there. What I'm saying is Javier having even an option to choose to stay in a place that clearly was occupied does make him look a bit incompetent and would suggest he, too, like Gabe, had yet to face any serious trouble for the past four years, excluding an apparent shooting that we have no context on.
Nothing look like what it is in the ZA.
Abandoned, occupied just a few minutes ago. Previous owners can be dead anyway every second in this world.
Perhaps Javi was just playing the cool uncle with the kids, and Kate would have made the right decision anyway.
We see how pissed she got with him because he always makes her look like the bad stepmother. Finally Kate looked like the leader of this small group determinantly.
The answer will most likely be yes, since I assume OP didn't shoot Conrad. Nobody can defend Gabe so passionately if they had to deal with this shit
That moment between the two characters existed to show Kenny's concerns about Christa, him assuming Christa was pregnant would make their interaction have meaning and would explain his facial expression and arguably even why he chose to save Christa. It's an insinuation but their interaction at that point in time would be rather meaningless if it was only to express his shock at Christa's drinking ability.
Why would Kenny offer her a drink if he knew/assumed she was pregnant though? Maybe he looked shocked the way a woman downed whiskey which is not something seen very often?
I'm not disagreeing with you, i'm just looking at this from another perspective. It still doesn't show when Kenny found out she was pregnant though. There was never any indication he knew/assumed before this scene is what i am saying.
I think the point is that Kenny assumed AFTER Christa downed the whiskey, since Christa had one or two looks at her belly as well; Kenny noticed that and looked too. I think the brain was hard at work at that point. But Christa must've given a fuck in that moment and downed it. And Kenny realized. That she's downing/just downed a lot of whiskey, though she's pregnant.
Edit: BTW check your Inbox.
Most likely.
And ok!
Ironically, I dislike Kenny and like Gabe. Perhaps I'm biased towards nephew-sons.
Gabe was definitely being a shit kid but I didn't have a problem with that scene because I already told Jesus and Tripp I shot Conrad.
I had a huge problem with Tripp though for freaking out at me about something he already knew (I honestly don't whether it was a plothole or my game glitched).
Now I don't hate Gabe, and I admit that I like Kenny. But you seem to have taken things overboard. Especially with the summary of the comparison. Like how they're both impulsive and quick to anger. "ergo you can't like one and hate the other." That simplifies it too much not taking into account the context of the situations they're in. Now I don't hate Gabe and am willing to put up with him. But I wouldn't call people who hate Gabe and like Kenny hypocrites.
First of all, practically speaking Kenny's more worth tolerating. Gabe isn't completely useless per-se and does good things, but Kenny's on a different level in contribution. I am sure you've heard all the examples before. When he saves Lee, the constant scavenging outings with him. When he gets the truck working, or the boat. He's an experienced man, although perhaps it's unfair to judge Gabe to him in this aspect given that Gabe is younger.
In addition to this, Kenny is really good at bouncing back and making up. He doesn't always do it immediately, but when he does. He's a great selfless help to others. Like when he tells you "you haven't helped me every time, so why should I help you?", you can remind him of your help to his family and he'll remember it's not all just about him and helps you. In that same episode right after two arguments with Ben and you respectively, he calls back to what set you and him apart and reflects on it. And also reflects on the nature of his hate for Ben and Ben's circumstances. And after the whole sarita thing, he helps with the baby.
You see at some stages you can set Kenny on the right path with the right words. And at other stages he'll set himself back on the right path all on his own. Gabe on the other hand he......his misdoings are rarely brought up again, but I am ok with this cause he's a kid. And when he does bring it up (like after he tried to help Kate with her injury), it's appreciated. But even with that in mind, other people hating Gabe and not Kenny is not hypocritical. Especially because of how much putting up with Kenny's BS really pays off in both usefulness and Love. It might with Gabe also, but less so, and some people are more willing to put up with men's stresses than with what appears to be kids's childishness. And the situations that drive Kenny to his terrible moments, while not justifiable, are more understandable than Gabe's.
Sorry if I went all over the place. But while I like both characters. I can see why one would like one but not the other without it being logically or emotionally inconsistent. And I am sure there can also be some consistent viewpoints that can lend someone to like Gabe more than Kenny. Without the existence of hypocrisy.
Actually there never is an option to tell them you shot Conrad. You can say "I don't know where he is", "we left him because he attacked us", or "the walkers got him"