Which would you rather have seen?

enzeruanimefan · May 2017

The original plans for Season Two

OR

The original plans for A New Frontier?

Still_not_bitten_clem · May 2017

season 2 is the best season so

MRSHYGUY45 · May 2017

I never heard about the original plans for Season Two.

I thought Season Two was fine so I'm going to say New Frontier because there was so many things they cut out and changed that would've been interesting like the slaughterhouse. Not to mention they rewrote the season so many times.

What were the original plans for Season Two?

DabigRG · May 2017

Ooh, that's an interesting one. I suppose ANF just because of how bare and basic it's elements feels makes me think some things were decided fairly late in development, while Season 2 suffered from lack of a consistent direction to go with it's clearly intended arcs, with an overabundance of elements that had a fair bit to them but weren't given the appropriate amount of focus and development due to the hyperfocus on outsider material.

Chibikid · May 2017

I would choose ANF since on paper and theory ANF could be a very well done installment if executed properly.

AnimalBoy · May 2017

It might help if the two original plans were explained for those who don't know what they were. I certainly can't pick without knowing.

Bonbomb · May 2017

Season 2. I haven't finished playing ANF.

ralo229 · May 2017

I'm not 100% certain and I'm going mostly by what I've seen on Wikia and around the forums, but some of the concepts that were never used were:

-Kenny was supposed to be Carver. (I would've loved to have seen this. Clementine torn between her new friends and an old friend whose since pretty much gone to the dark side. The drama practically writes itself.)

-The group was supposed to find the Wellington camp abandoned in the finale.

-The group was supposed to find an abandoned power plant.

-There was supposed to be a tiger in the game. This was scrapped because Telltale thought it was too unrealistic. Ironically, Ezekiel and his tiger made their debut a few months later.

VengefulKenny · May 2017

Season 2. It would be cool to see how they were going to make Carver turn out to be Kenny.

UltimateTobi · May 2017

The original plans for ANF, since I liked S2; it was fine.

AronDracula · May 2017

-The group was supposed to find an abandoned power plant.

You mean, this place?

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AronDracula · May 2017

Original plans for ANF.

MaconMajr · May 2017

Wait...what were the original plans for ANF?

Zack040 · May 2017

SEASON 1 IS THE BEST

AronDracula · May 2017

yes

MaconMajr · May 2017

That doesn't answer my question. I'm familiar with what was cut from Season 2 during a research study. But ANF had original plans. Such as?

TrashJesus · May 2017

Season Two had amazing potential, let me see what could've been a more appropriate sequel to the Season One. Season Two wasn't that bad but it had some glaring writing issues that I bet weren't present originally.

AronDracula · May 2017

Slaughterhouse
Max originally going to die in episode 2
Ties That Bind NOT getting split
Clementine being co-playable
The flashback with Clem and her babysitter, Sandra

MaconMajr · May 2017

Whoa. Is this info on the wiki? And if not, where did you get your facts?

AronDracula · May 2017

There is a video that tells what was deleted from the main game in the Details thread.

WalkingDeadFan1911 · May 2017

That Sandra flashback intrigues me a lot. Sad it was cut.

DabigRG · May 2017

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DabigRG · May 2017

Here's a list of things I've seen or hypothesized:

Sam the dog was supposed to be around a little longer, with one scrapped scene of him stealing Clementine's hat.
Winston was apparently supposed to fall in the river with Clementine after The Scavenger chapter, suggesting he was gonna return later in the episode as a more direct villain for it.
Luke and Nick's design elements were originally swapped up till the final production, with Luke originally having the hat before it was decided to swapped it with Nick's hair to avoided having all three of main characters having hats.
Alvin had a scene where he and Clementine would go fishing together alongside Nick, Pete, and Luke, which would escalate into a four-way choice of who Clementine wanted to run away with when lurkers attack.
Pete was supposed to come home alongside Clementine and she (and Sarah?) would take care of him while keeping him bite a secret until Carver and his Inner Circle show up, forcing Pete to sacrifice himself to allow everyone to escape while also keeping Carver hidden for a while longer.
Carver went through a number of designs and concepts before the first two episodes were completed, going from a returning Kenny, to having Troy's model and less screentime before Michael Madson was cast(hence the preview), to resembling this (apologies to whoever he is) pretty disgusting looking actor, to finally the version we ended up with.
Season2!Kenny and Sarita were likely originally intended to be Carlos and Sarah during the earlier drafts, as there's a fair bit of foreshadowing early on with them that didn't properly pay off, a few little moments that would make sense if it was them instead, Sarah is advertised as having a role in Episode 3 despite practically disappearing after the 40% mark, and two of the achievements seem to indicate this as well.
The infamous wind turbine sequence was intended to be more complex, with the developers going as far as to seriously research the topic for authenticity. But this was ultimately simplified to the key solution due to time constraints.
The latter three episodes(or Season 2.5, as I "affectionately" call it) went through serious rewrites due to shift in writers and/or executive meddling, with unused music suggesting they were going to be a lot darker in concept and Nick Breckon(who wrote the first two episodes and parts of the finale) has apparently stated that Amid the Ruins in particular would've been very different had he still been around to write.
Somewhat falling in line with the Carver stuff, Troy was originally a much more threatening character, as his voice actor confirmed that there were a number of cut scenes that "made him look far worse," including numerous ad libs and more "racy" comments alongside a scene where he'd sexually harass/assault(I don't remember which one...) Jane, which his death scene is probably a holdover from.
Mike and "Ralph" of the North Carolina Scavengers were originally the same character, having been scarred through friendly fire from Victor the night Winston was separated from them and then captured as a prisoner of war by Carver to be used for labor. Clementine would eventually recognize him, grill him for information regarding Christa's whereabouts, and then have to work with him to escape, with his continued presence in the group being part of a redemption arc for him.
The ending of In Harm's Way was more in-depth, as unused dialogue suggests that Tavia and his men were intentionally trying to kill the Howe's Ski Cabin Group, with Carlos's death causing Sarah and Mike to freak out and every else started to panic as well, with Bonnie outright begging Tavia to stop and its Rebecca and Jane who tell everyone else to just run. It is still mentioned at the beginning of Amid the Ruins during the argument Rebecca and Jane though, suggesting this was indeed a very late change in plans.
Tavia apparently has animations suggesting that Bonnie was supposed to shoot her for the above and cause her to fall off the building.
Rebecca having a miscarriage was a much more distinct possibility, as there are hints of an unused scene suggesting that she may have been constant pain and there's apparently unused textures for bloody towels and, most horrifically, a zombie baby.
I really doubt this was the indeed the implication they were going for originally, but I'll include it because I don't see any reason not to given what we got: Sarah was probably going to be a little more antagonistic in Amid the Ruins at one point, as there's a bizarrely consistent amount of little moments that encourage that sort of idea as early as All That Remains.
Jane, assuming she was in the story in earlier drafts, had a slightly smaller role as "more of a hardass" who still showed Clementine a few tricks and was almost certainly intended to have left the group with a wider rift between it that would nudge Luke into a position where he could fight Kenny in the finale.
Arvo was originally supposed to be indebted to a Spanish Group, which was apparently changed to Russian due to the Wolf Among Us supposedly having a similar puzzle that was found to be very easy. This makes a certain comparison, as well as a theory of mine, have even more credence, hilariously enough. He was also indeed supposed to be on the run from the other two Russians at the end of the episode, running out of the woods with them hot on his tail .
Not sure if this is accurate or not, but Luke supposedly has a sound clip suggesting it was possible to save him from the frozen lake. What makes this especially odd, if it is indeed true, is that Gavin Hammon(Kenny) has stated that Luke was planned to die as early as Episode 2's production, while Scott Porter has apparently said that Luke's came as a surprise to him during No Going Back's production.

deleted_km1avelr9965549 · May 2017

Isnt that just a transformer station though?

DabigRG · May 2017

Same fucking thing from the general public's mindset.

ralo229 · May 2017

A nuclear power plant.

Graysonn · May 2017

It's gonna happen in episode 5.

Graysonn · May 2017

Pretty good question, had to really think about it. I'd say Season 2. We know some of what was supposed to happen but I'd love to know what notes Vanaman gave Telltale before he left. It's kind of disturbing how many different revisions Season 2 went through. Whatever he gave them, It's unlikely any of it made it into the final game.

Poogers555 · May 2017

ANF considering it apparently didnt even have any real plans after ep 2

Graysonn · May 2017

Pretty good list!

Though, you forgot to mention episode 2 would not have ended with the group getting ambushed and captured in the lodge, instead they would make a run for it in the woods before eventually getting caught. Also Clem would run and escape Howes with Kenny and their would be a bear attack at the end of the episode(during a snowstorm too).

Nick Breckon(who wrote the first two episodes and parts of the finale) has apparently stated that Amid the Ruins in particular would've been very different had he still been around to write.

Damn. Did he really say that? The game was absolutely meant to be much darker but it was toned down. I thought TTG would finally have grown balls by ANF but they cut the slaughterhouse scene too...

DabigRG · May 2017

I believe he said in an interview that aside from two scenes, most of it was so unrecognizable that he claims no creative control over it.

DabigRG · May 2017

Though, you forgot to mention episode 2 would not have ended with the group getting ambushed and captured in the lodge, instead they would make a run for it in the woods before eventually getting caught.

Oh, was that a thing? I definitely must've missed that one.

Also Clem would run and escape Howes with Kenny and their would be a bear attack at the end of the episode(during a snowstorm too).

Pretty sure that was supposed to be Luke. Then again, Mr. Sean(?) wasn't certain which one it was from what I recall, but I think it'd be better if it was Luke given the context.

aj_ate_clems_finger · May 2017

I hope so

MaconMajr · May 2017

Alright, I'll take a look.

ralo229 · May 2017

I dunno. That's a toughie. On one hand, I would've loved to have seen Kenny in the Carver role but on the other hand, I wanna know what the fuck the walker slaughterhouse deal was all about.

ralo229 · May 2017

I think he said that most of All That Remains was pretty much the same, but the rest was completely unrecognizable from his original vision.

AmidtheClementine · May 2017

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DabigRG · May 2017

Your point?

(Holy shit, I thought that bear was getting ready to [ROWL!] him for a spit-second--omg where the fuck did that mental image come from?!) O_o

AmidtheClementine · May 2017

LOL. Nothing, just hearing that there was originally going to be a Bear attack reminded me of The Revenant.

Bonbon80 · May 2017

The original plan for season 3 was Kenny to be like the evil Carver. Kenny lost it after he lost his family and started to be evil.
This storyline was rewritten and Carver was born.
And Luke was supposed to survive season 2.

Happy they rewrote Kenny, because this would have been a cheap copy of the comics governor. The governor in the comics was a Mexican man who used to be normal and nice but lost it after his brother and niece died. He stole his brother's identity.

DabigRG · May 2017

Oh, okay. Reference lost of me!

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