I'm blaming the writers for running out of ideas in this season. Nothing can beat the writing of Season 1. I hate him because the writers made him unrealistic.
but still, i genuinely like gabe and to see them treat his character this way is so disappointing. i also hate it how they don't even reinfo… morerce the fact that gabe was completely against conrad trying to bargain, as well as him telling javi to shoot him.
Javi didn't betray Clem.
He made the right decision for the group in a tense situation.
Clem is the one who finally should understand this since she met broken groups of misfits before making the same mistakes.
Javi could have been killed by Tripp for example with the decision to kill Conrad!
I dont want a "reward" for shooting Conrad per say, but I do think there should be consequences for both choices in a choice, but as it is, … morethere is no consequence for betraying Clem, but all the consequence for killing Conrad
The reason people (me included) shot Conrad is to get Clementines trust and whatnot, and the reason there is no consequence for letting Conrad live is honestly bad writing, people say that she forgives him, but thats so out of character from what we have seen of Clem this season, Clementine doesnt trust people, she doesnt like people, she hasnt been around people for at least a year, so when she finally opens up and trusts Javier with her secret of having been New Frontier, it was a big deal, so Javi betraying her trust would be the ultimate betrayal in Clementines eyes, but instead she just doesnt care, that seems like terrible writing to me
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If I didn't kill Conrad and accept his idea,betray Clementine,Gabe will call me,"You fucking coward!Javi!How could you do this!?".
Fucking GABE...He ask me to shoot Conrad but when I kill Conrad,he said that I kill Conrad for no reason!THE FUCK WITH THIS ASSHOLE!?
Do everything what Gabe ask but he still going make me mad and being annoying.Fucker...!
I'm blaming the writers for running out of ideas in this season. Nothing can beat the writing of Season 1. I hate him because the writers made him unrealistic.
i hope gabe can thoroughly apologize next episode and it still seems like they're going to develop him, so there is hope that he may not be a little bitchy asshole
I'm blaming the writers for running out of ideas in this season. Nothing can beat the writing of Season 1. I hate him because the writers made him unrealistic.
Sorry but I cannot forgive him for throwing me under the bus, destroying my relationship with Tripp and Eleanor after everything I have done for him. It is what it is.
i hope gabe can thoroughly apologize next episode and it still seems like they're going to develop him, so there is hope that he may not be a little bitchy asshole
Honestly having Gabe do that was an extremely risky move and I'm not sure what they were trying to accomplish with it. With all this Gabent… moreine teasing coming from staff I expected for them to have Gabe redeem himself in some way and make him much more likable and acceptable to the fans, that way they'd be more willing to let Gabentine happen but it seems like they did the exact opposite.
Also let me mention how the whole scene didn't make sense at all. While in that tunnel Gabe literally yelled at me to shoot him and Gabe even put his hand on his gun when Conrad threatened to shoot Clementine. Also he fact that if you DON'T shoot him, Gabe calls you a "fucking coward." That whole scene was just stupidly forced.
No, what I'm saying is that the concept itself is fine. The execution and all the "consequences" that result from that moment though, is really stupid. Notice that I specify the fact that it's non-determinate for if you killed Conrad period and how no one else beside Tripp(who's kinda pointless anyway) really acts like this big revelation from Gabe's outburst just happened.
Seriously, why is that scene there in that way and if they weren't gonna do much with it immediately going forward?
No, but for real though, as someone who liked Gabe from the beginning and still does despite some concerns, this scene is just mindbogglingl… morey dumb. And let me clarify that Gabe telling everyone that you killed Conrad isn't bad writing: Gabe telling everyone that you killed Conrad regardless of how you actually treat him and NO ONE besides Tripp cares enough to be concerned about the whole thing afterwards is.
It is bad-writting. I saved his stupid ass from a maniac and this is how he repays me. Let's not forget that he was the one who asked for his death in the tunnel and pointed the gun on him to protect his uncle
Are you actually justifying Gabe's betrayal? Look at that stupid smile, he was happy to set his own uncle up when Javi has done nothing but keep him alive. And he is using that excuse, "stop treating me like a kid" when he is actually acting like one.
In my playthrough, I remember telling Tripp that I shot Conrad. So yeah, I was VERY pissed off during this scene! Gabe is on my BIG shit-list, I really hate this kid for that. I don't think I hated a TWDG character this much since Bonnie.
They haven't really impressed me with the characters and their actions this season.
The only foreshadowing of Eleanor's betrayal, if I'm correct idk, was Clementine's, may I add cringy and cliche, talk about "I don't trust her. Idk why, no reason lol, but I just don't."
Gabe turning 180° on his own uncle with whom he had spent 5 years surviving and only wanted to save his life.
And Tripp in first two episodes trusting you immediately upon meeting you, saying "You're the boss, now Javi." He's what now?
Conrad lashing out on a little girl he's never seen before and pointing gun on her.
Kate being all kissy and stuff even if you curve her.
The only foreshadowing of Eleanor's betrayal, if I'm correct idk, was Clementine's, may I add cringy and cliche, talk about "I don't trust her. Idk why, no reason lol, but I just don't."
Awfully convenient that this happened after Eleanor seemed disquieted about the fact that she shot someone in the face and offered to risk her neck by helping a stranger and this murderer save the former's family by sneaking out against orders.
Conrad lashing out on a little girl he's never seen before and pointing gun on her.
To be fair, I was always under the impression that Clementine had a hand in making trouble in his bar in the past, hence why he didn't seem very welcoming of her to begin with, and was established as becoming recklessly aggressive about the New Frontier beforehand.
Kate being all kissy and stuff even if you curve her.
It was established that she's been attracted to Javier since before the outbreak.
They haven't really impressed me with the characters and their actions this season.
The only foreshadowing of Eleanor's betrayal, if I'm … morecorrect idk, was Clementine's, may I add cringy and cliche, talk about "I don't trust her. Idk why, no reason lol, but I just don't."
Gabe turning 180° on his own uncle with whom he had spent 5 years surviving and only wanted to save his life.
And Tripp in first two episodes trusting you immediately upon meeting you, saying "You're the boss, now Javi." He's what now?
Conrad lashing out on a little girl he's never seen before and pointing gun on her.
Kate being all kissy and stuff even if you curve her.
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The only foreshadowing of Eleanor's betrayal, if I'm correct idk, was Clementine's, may I add cringy and cliche, talk about "I don't trust her. Idk why, no reason lol, but I just don't."
What I dont get is I see comments everywhere saying "OMG clem foreshadowed her betrayl!!!!!" um not really, clem just said she didnt trust her for some reason she couldnt come up with. Foreshadowing usually involves the character themselves doing something that in hindsight shows there true intentions while at the time seemed innocent.
I mean elanor talking about a peacful solution maybe foreshadows it but her betrayl seems to be in a selfish vengeful way given her tone so that doesnt really work either.
They haven't really impressed me with the characters and their actions this season.
The only foreshadowing of Eleanor's betrayal, if I'm … morecorrect idk, was Clementine's, may I add cringy and cliche, talk about "I don't trust her. Idk why, no reason lol, but I just don't."
Gabe turning 180° on his own uncle with whom he had spent 5 years surviving and only wanted to save his life.
And Tripp in first two episodes trusting you immediately upon meeting you, saying "You're the boss, now Javi." He's what now?
Conrad lashing out on a little girl he's never seen before and pointing gun on her.
Kate being all kissy and stuff even if you curve her.
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The only foreshadowing of Eleanor's betrayal, if I'm correct idk, was Clementine's, may I add cringy and cliche, talk about "I don't trust h… moreer. Idk why, no reason lol, but I just don't."
What I dont get is I see comments everywhere saying "OMG clem foreshadowed her betrayl!!!!!" um not really, clem just said she didnt trust her for some reason she couldnt come up with. Foreshadowing usually involves the character themselves doing something that in hindsight shows there true intentions while at the time seemed innocent.
I mean elanor talking about a peacful solution maybe foreshadows it but her betrayl seems to be in a selfish vengeful way given her tone so that doesnt really work either.
I think the new writers misinterpreted the Shoot Conrad choice. It makes no sense for Gabe, who had Conrad's gun to his head and pleaded Javier to shoot him, to defend Conrad's "bargaining".
I think the new writers misinterpreted the Shoot Conrad choice. It makes no sense for Gabe, who had Conrad's gun to his head and pleaded Javier to shoot him, to defend Conrad's "bargaining".
I was literally thinking "And people bash on Ben for giving supplies out to the bandits" yet I see this fucking brat not only throwing his UNCLE under the bus but practically added fuel to an already existing problem....
I don't hate Gabe but seriously he needs to grow the hell up.
Javi didn't betray Clem.
He made the right decision for the group in a tense situation.
Clem is the one who finally should understand this… more since she met broken groups of misfits before making the same mistakes.
Javi could have been killed by Tripp for example with the decision to kill Conrad!
(I was being..kinda sarcastic..if that's the right word. About the foreshadowing thing. Maybe Telltale thought that would be considered foreshadowing.)
I mean, why did they even put the "I dont trust her for no reason" in the game?
The only foreshadowing of Eleanor's betrayal, if I'm correct idk, was Clementine's, may I add cringy and cliche, talk about "I don't trust h… moreer. Idk why, no reason lol, but I just don't."
What I dont get is I see comments everywhere saying "OMG clem foreshadowed her betrayl!!!!!" um not really, clem just said she didnt trust her for some reason she couldnt come up with. Foreshadowing usually involves the character themselves doing something that in hindsight shows there true intentions while at the time seemed innocent.
I mean elanor talking about a peacful solution maybe foreshadows it but her betrayl seems to be in a selfish vengeful way given her tone so that doesnt really work either.
To push some people to side with Tripp over Eleanor despite the latter having your interests in mind more. It also planted the seed of Eleanor potentially doing something to screw the group over in people's minds, as well as further showing Clementine's newfound darkness, not that anyone would admit it.
(I was being..kinda sarcastic..if that's the right word. About the foreshadowing thing. Maybe Telltale thought that would be considered foreshadowing.)
I mean, why did they even put the "I dont trust her for no reason" in the game?
A few people in the forums said that David and Gabe didn't exist originally. One of them said that it was a known fact and I was like "wait what?" because I found out recently. I wonder how people find sources for that kind of information...
A few people in the forums said that David and Gabe didn't exist originally. One of them said that it was a known fact and I was like "wait … morewhat?" because I found out recently. I wonder how people find sources for that kind of information...
I hope she did.
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I'm blaming the writers for running out of ideas in this season. Nothing can beat the writing of Season 1. I hate him because the writers made him unrealistic.
Javi didn't betray Clem.
He made the right decision for the group in a tense situation.
Clem is the one who finally should understand this since she met broken groups of misfits before making the same mistakes.
Javi could have been killed by Tripp for example with the decision to kill Conrad!
Melton23
If I didn't kill Conrad and accept his idea,betray Clementine,Gabe will call me,"You fucking coward!Javi!How could you do this!?".
Fucking GABE...He ask me to shoot Conrad but when I kill Conrad,he said that I kill Conrad for no reason!THE FUCK WITH THIS ASSHOLE!?
Do everything what Gabe ask but he still going make me mad and being annoying.Fucker...!
Doesn't that mean you should throw the hate at the writers instead of Gabe?
i hope gabe can thoroughly apologize next episode and it still seems like they're going to develop him, so there is hope that he may not be a little bitchy asshole
Sorry but I cannot forgive him for throwing me under the bus, destroying my relationship with Tripp and Eleanor after everything I have done for him. It is what it is.
I hate Gabe's existence in this game, lol.
it just feels like they want you to hate him, then he'll 180 in the next ep. still, this whole situation makes no fucking sense
I recently found out that he didn't exist in the original version
Well, that was a mistake for creating him.
No, what I'm saying is that the concept itself is fine. The execution and all the "consequences" that result from that moment though, is really stupid. Notice that I specify the fact that it's non-determinate for if you killed Conrad period and how no one else beside Tripp(who's kinda pointless anyway) really acts like this big revelation from Gabe's outburst just happened.
Seriously, why is that scene there in that way and if they weren't gonna do much with it immediately going forward?
Ohh Bonnie
Who in the world blames an 11-year-old girl for not being able to save an injured grown-up? How ridiculous.
They haven't really impressed me with the characters and their actions this season.
The only foreshadowing of Eleanor's betrayal, if I'm correct idk, was Clementine's, may I add cringy and cliche, talk about "I don't trust her. Idk why, no reason lol, but I just don't."
Gabe turning 180° on his own uncle with whom he had spent 5 years surviving and only wanted to save his life.
And Tripp in first two episodes trusting you immediately upon meeting you, saying "You're the boss, now Javi." He's what now?
Conrad lashing out on a little girl he's never seen before and pointing gun on her.
Kate being all kissy and stuff even if you curve her.
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Awfully convenient that this happened after Eleanor seemed disquieted about the fact that she shot someone in the face and offered to risk her neck by helping a stranger and this murderer save the former's family by sneaking out against orders.
To be fair, I was always under the impression that Clementine had a hand in making trouble in his bar in the past, hence why he didn't seem very welcoming of her to begin with, and was established as becoming recklessly aggressive about the New Frontier beforehand.
It was established that she's been attracted to Javier since before the outbreak.
lol
What I dont get is I see comments everywhere saying "OMG clem foreshadowed her betrayl!!!!!" um not really, clem just said she didnt trust her for some reason she couldnt come up with. Foreshadowing usually involves the character themselves doing something that in hindsight shows there true intentions while at the time seemed innocent.
I mean elanor talking about a peacful solution maybe foreshadows it but her betrayl seems to be in a selfish vengeful way given her tone so that doesnt really work either.
Yeah, seriously, and that's another reason why that plot point bothers me. As if we didn't have enough of that shit in Season 2.
Also, her "vengeful" tone is only really a thing if you shot Conrad if I recall correctly.
I think the new writers misinterpreted the Shoot Conrad choice. It makes no sense for Gabe, who had Conrad's gun to his head and pleaded Javier to shoot him, to defend Conrad's "bargaining".
I have a good idea of how it would all make sense, but again, that execution. man
I was literally thinking "And people bash on Ben for giving supplies out to the bandits" yet I see this fucking brat not only throwing his UNCLE under the bus but practically added fuel to an already existing problem....
I don't hate Gabe but seriously he needs to grow the hell up.
I agree. I chose to stop Conrad (only for the writers to give him the choice to get eaten by Zombies the following episode) just to protect Gabe.
Go to 1:02:13 on this video when given the choice to kill Conrad.
I'm talking about when you save conrad
(I was being..kinda sarcastic..if that's the right word. About the foreshadowing thing. Maybe Telltale thought that would be considered foreshadowing.)
I mean, why did they even put the "I dont trust her for no reason" in the game?
To push some people to side with Tripp over Eleanor despite the latter having your interests in mind more. It also planted the seed of Eleanor potentially doing something to screw the group over in people's minds, as well as further showing Clementine's newfound darkness, not that anyone would admit it.
Wait, really?
Does that also mean that Mariana was going to have a larger role as well?
A few people in the forums said that David and Gabe didn't exist originally. One of them said that it was a known fact and I was like "wait what?" because I found out recently. I wonder how people find sources for that kind of information...
I hope she did.
I'm curious myself. I've heard about David not existing originally, but Gabe? That's news to me.