The adults' reliance on Clem was a problem with the season. Kenny gave her the radio to give Luke against Mikes wishes, Jane expected her to… more kick down a door and why would Luke have the 11 yr old try to cut the cable on the observation deck with imminent walkers??
Bonnie, too. She also only wanted to help a kid get away from a guy who wouldn't stop beating him. Although they did steal all of the food and left nothing for clem, Kenny and maybe AJ depending on what was in the bag.
They said no reason. Nick shot Walter's boyfriend. Clem didn't kill Luke and neither did anyone else do anything against Bonnie. I wouldn't put Walter in the same category as her.
You ever been on TVTropes? Generally, it's when a fictional work has a character discriminate against others for being in or at least fitting a certain category.
I realize I'm probably misusing the term a bit, but it fits the general idea of Jane's behavior in Amid the Ruins.
That's a good point, though for some reason, I was always vague on what exactly Jane is, though I kinda assumed she was Persian or something once. I realize she has a very similar color scheme as Luke, but the fact of the matter is that she looks nothing like any other character in the first three Seasons/Installments and looks more like a Michonne character, hence my confusion about her race.
To be fair, all she did was eventually agree to let the group out of the pin. The actual blame goes more to Carver, Troy, and to a certain extent Kenny.
To be fair, all she did was eventually agree to let the group out of the pin. The actual blame goes more to Carver, Troy, and to a certain extent Kenny.
I don't know, they don't really address that. It's collateral damage to them getting out of that situation when you get down to it and it's damage that would've happened anyway in some shape or form.
I mean, there was technically nothing stopping them from staying after Kenny killed Carver but then there'd be Tavia and the other residents to contend with and I don't think they take too kindly to them murdering their leader like that.
But yeah, character-wise, it is very odd that Bonnie, Luke, Nick, and Sarah in particular weren't concerned about that, at least as far as we're shown.
Agreed, BBH. Remember the scene with Carlos holding Sarita back while Kenny was being beaten? He's like, "Clementine, help me!" Wth? I get that she was the protagonist, but as you said there was too much reliance on an 11 year-old girl. As for Kenny, I took it as him just trusting her way more than anyone else around him. I wasn't exactly cool with it, but I just saw it as that.
The adults' reliance on Clem was a problem with the season. Kenny gave her the radio to give Luke against Mikes wishes, Jane expected her to… more kick down a door and why would Luke have the 11 yr old try to cut the cable on the observation deck with imminent walkers??
It wasn't so much just suicide because I believe that everyone should have a choice when it comes to that. It was the fact that she chose to kill herself in front of her dying son. When I first played season 1, I wasn't attached to Duck at all because I saw him as a pest. But the writing in that episode was so well done, even the emotions were on point. Just about everything in that episode was handled so well, that when it came time to put Duck down, I was actually upset. Had Katjaa killed herself afterward, I couldn't blame her. But the fact that she did it in front of her son, that's something I can't forgive her for. Duck is a kid that has to accept that he's going to die, that his parents has to put him out of his misery, and then his mother does that in front of him. It was one of the moments that actually stuck with me a while after I finished the episode.
Why Katjaa? I get the suicide is selfish argument but she lost her child and had no one else beside Kenny to live for. It's wrong but not unforgivable imo. Kenny was an adult.
I vote scared kid. He wasn't built for the walking dead world.
Lilly = overzealous protector/distraught daughter or cold-blooded killer:
Lilly is all of these things.
Sarah = gentle soul or burden/liability:
Gentle Soul, although she's a bit of a liability since it took so long for her to figure her environment out.
Bonnie = practical escapee or heartless deserter =
HATE. HER. With a passion. She's a deserter, plain and simple.
Jane = level-headed survivalist or self-serving manipulator =
Level-headed survivalist. The group already knew she'd go off on her own. That's how she was. She was always about getting to the next step to protect herself, whether or not that included someone else. She didn't manipulate anyone, she just put her own life first. Selfish, sure. But not manipulative.
Kenny = loyal father figure or controlling maniac =
Controlling maniac. Especially in Season 2. Lee is Clem's father figure and as much as Kenny would like to step in and fill those shoes, losing his crap every five minutes doesn't cover it.
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Fantastically racist--and towards Rebecca, Sarah, Arvo(arguably), and Kenny.
This one is at least justified because none of them were tall enough to reach it on their own.
I would think that Bonnie would fall under Ungratefulness depending how you handle the Luke situation.
Shoot Nick and lie about it to Carlos?
Does fantastically not mean strange/extraordinary things like that?
She brought about the destruction of Carver's settlement and we must assume the death of women and children. That's all kinds of wrong.
I'm not mad. Lmao it's something worth pointing out.
They said no reason. Nick shot Walter's boyfriend. Clem didn't kill Luke and neither did anyone else do anything against Bonnie. I wouldn't put Walter in the same category as her.
I was just referring to Walter because Walter is in the user's picture.
Just so used to people being mad around here is all, sorry.
Kenny is white like Jane. She couldn't be racist against him. Lol
It's ok
You ever been on TVTropes? Generally, it's when a fictional work has a character discriminate against others for being in or at least fitting a certain category.
I realize I'm probably misusing the term a bit, but it fits the general idea of Jane's behavior in Amid the Ruins.
That's a good point, though for some reason, I was always vague on what exactly Jane is, though I kinda assumed she was Persian or something once. I realize she has a very similar color scheme as Luke, but the fact of the matter is that she looks nothing like any other character in the first three Seasons/Installments and looks more like a Michonne character, hence my confusion about her race.
To be fair, all she did was eventually agree to let the group out of the pin. The actual blame goes more to Carver, Troy, and to a certain extent Kenny.
She knew the megaphone would draw walkers to the camp and they had had trouble keeping them out before. Did the cabin group hate everyone there?
I don't know, they don't really address that. It's collateral damage to them getting out of that situation when you get down to it and it's damage that would've happened anyway in some shape or form.
I mean, there was technically nothing stopping them from staying after Kenny killed Carver but then there'd be Tavia and the other residents to contend with and I don't think they take too kindly to them murdering their leader like that.
But yeah, character-wise, it is very odd that Bonnie, Luke, Nick, and Sarah in particular weren't concerned about that, at least as far as we're shown.
Agreed, BBH. Remember the scene with Carlos holding Sarita back while Kenny was being beaten? He's like, "Clementine, help me!" Wth? I get that she was the protagonist, but as you said there was too much reliance on an 11 year-old girl. As for Kenny, I took it as him just trusting her way more than anyone else around him. I wasn't exactly cool with it, but I just saw it as that.
It wasn't so much just suicide because I believe that everyone should have a choice when it comes to that. It was the fact that she chose to kill herself in front of her dying son. When I first played season 1, I wasn't attached to Duck at all because I saw him as a pest. But the writing in that episode was so well done, even the emotions were on point. Just about everything in that episode was handled so well, that when it came time to put Duck down, I was actually upset. Had Katjaa killed herself afterward, I couldn't blame her. But the fact that she did it in front of her son, that's something I can't forgive her for. Duck is a kid that has to accept that he's going to die, that his parents has to put him out of his misery, and then his mother does that in front of him. It was one of the moments that actually stuck with me a while after I finished the episode.
I vote scared kid. He wasn't built for the walking dead world.
Lilly is all of these things.
Gentle Soul, although she's a bit of a liability since it took so long for her to figure her environment out.
HATE. HER. With a passion. She's a deserter, plain and simple.
Level-headed survivalist. The group already knew she'd go off on her own. That's how she was. She was always about getting to the next step to protect herself, whether or not that included someone else. She didn't manipulate anyone, she just put her own life first. Selfish, sure. But not manipulative.
Controlling maniac. Especially in Season 2. Lee is Clem's father figure and as much as Kenny would like to step in and fill those shoes, losing his crap every five minutes doesn't cover it.
If their name is Arvo
Killing someone of the playable character's group.
Example (spoiler for S1): Lilly killing Doug/Carley and Kenny killing Larry.
For me it's betrayal... I can't withstand betrayal even irl