What I found odd is that even if you betray Clem and Javi basically says that she's not family so they'll use her as a bargaining chip as gu… morenpoint, Clem still acts the same around you and even allows you to hug her. That seems quite out of character for her and I feel that's only the case because we're the main character and not because we actually bonded with her.
I believe the problem is that they're trying to do too many things at the same time with such a short time. Unlike Season 2 & 3, Season 1 knew the perfect balance between character interaction, solving puzzles, decent amount of hubs, and the relatability of normal people just trying to survive in any way they can. It also doesn't help that just one episode in Season 1 was longer than two episodes combined in Season 3. That's not enough time to develop characters.
Season 1 had such a simple concept and I believe that's what made it so effective. This season is about a corr… [view original content]
Clementine is just a young kid.
Of course she easily forgave Javi.
Especially since she is very alone and scared in a fucked up zombie apocalypse.
We can see clearly she follows Javi and trying to prove him she is a very valuable girl to have around.
She could easily just left him.
We always are easy to think Clem has an adult mind like us.
She is just 13! I remember me at that age I was easily angry and I easily forgot I was angry.
Ive heard alot of people say that they think Conrad should "redeem himself" to Clementine, or that Javi should be able to justify his action… mores, and I feel like its the wrong mindset, there is already literally no consequence to agreeing to Conrads plan, Clementine doesnt care after 5 minutes, in fact, so far, there is literally no negatives to agreeing to Conrads plan, Clementine is still buddy buddy with Javi, she still hugs Javi, she still saves Javi from the walkers, it just seems bad, I am sincerely hoping there will be some consequence down the line for agreeing with Conrad, such as Clementine having doubts about whether or not Javi is on her side, and depending on your choice she will either leave or stay, or that the finale is something like season 1, where the people supporting you in the fight for Richmond will be dependant on how you acted throughout the season.
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Have you even seen some of the things Clem has done in front of Javi and the group? To anyone in that group, Clem would appear as a troubled and dangerous child. She's the equivalent of that kid in class that's lives in the bad side of town and has that rumor that she put some kid in a coma, type stuff. I would advise my nephew to be careful with her, too.
Gabe is just a nice kid. Clem is the "bad" influence.
I think it's Javi's family that is fucking up the story since the story is basically pushing them on you while Clem gets 10 minutes of scree… morentime and has been reduced to a love interest for Gabe. And if you don't approve of their relationship, Javi says that it's because of Clem that might be the bad influence, not Gabe.
Remember that Gabe is his nephew who he's loosely raised over the past four years, while Clementine is someone he recently met by being robbed by her and later has either cover up or tell the truth about her killing a community's weapon dealer. And now she's gonna hang around his already hot-headed but still impressionable nephew? I think there's plenty of logic to see as to why he'd say that.
I think it's Javi's family that is fucking up the story since the story is basically pushing them on you while Clem gets 10 minutes of scree… morentime and has been reduced to a love interest for Gabe. And if you don't approve of their relationship, Javi says that it's because of Clem that might be the bad influence, not Gabe.
It can still work as an apology on his part for treating her so badly ignorant of all she's been through. In fact, they should've had Conrad change his attitude there since it was his idea to use her as a bargaining chip in the first place.
Ah yes. This scene especially makes sense when you betray Clem and tell her she's nothing but a liar to you. It makes no sense why she would let Javi even touch her since even if you were nice to her, she still met you a couple of days ago max.
I'm actually glad that they're not as close. With TTG, i can only imagine how forced and annoying that would be. Already it's kind of forced.
Clem has no purpose in ANF. She's just there. She's like the Mark or Doug of this season. Only thing notable to say is the flashbacks. They should release all the flashbacks seperate in chronological order and put them in a seperate DLC and just let me play that. I could care less about ANF at this point.
This may have been true in the old world, but in the zombie apocalypse, Clementines actions are far more reasonable than anything Gabe has done so far (with the exception of shooting that guy in Prescott)
Clem that might be the bad influence, not Gabe.
Have you even seen some of the things Clem has done in front of Javi and the group? … moreTo anyone in that group, Clem would appear as a troubled and dangerous child. She's the equivalent of that kid in class that's lives in the bad side of town and has that rumor that she put some kid in a coma, type stuff. I would advise my nephew to be careful with her, too.
Gabe is just a nice kid. Clem is the "bad" influence.
I'm actually glad that they're not as close. With TTG, i can only imagine how forced and annoying that would be. Already it's kind of forced… more.
Clem has no purpose in ANF. She's just there. She's like the Mark or Doug of this season. Only thing notable to say is the flashbacks. They should release all the flashbacks seperate in chronological order and put them in a seperate DLC and just let me play that. I could care less about ANF at this point.
I initially told Jesus not to worry about her, and lil Javi goes off on this speech about how she's nothing. I literally had to exit the game twice in episode 2 because of his dickheaded responses that weren't reflected in the options given. But "your wife is gonna leave you because she loves me now! Thanks for giving me a place to live btw" Javier is such a swell guy. Yay Javito!
Don't blame the game for your stupid decisions. Why would anyone "betray" Clementine and call her "nothing but a liar"? Choices like these a… morere only tokens in order to create the illusion of choice.
even if you were nice to her, she still met you a couple of days ago max.
So? I've said it in a different topic already. The amount of time spent together IS NOT a valid measure of if a person is trustworthy, good, likable etc. or not.
One of my best friends became that close to me after only two school days, since the chemistry between us was instantly right. It's not impossible. And Javi is a good guy, why would you think a short time spent together would not be enough to form a bond with someone, especially when the time spent together was intense and you supported each other in a conflict about life and death?
Doesn't do much, but when the story demands it, he does something. (laser pointer thing, bell trap thing)
Clementine doesn't do much this season, but when the story needs her, she has a flashback, etc.
Maybe a bad comparison lol.
so it's reasonable to run tied up while people with AK 47s all around you to attempt to tackle someone who is armed to save some guy's life that you met 5 days ago?( season 2, episode 2)
It's reasonable to put out a guy in a aggressive matter that you considered your friend just for a clue and for siding for the man that got him to care for life again. And her reaction after is "Huh, finally."
she shoots a man in a fit.
Too blinded by revenge to leave with Javi and the family, In the shoot out.
All of her swearing, flipping people off,spiting in faces.(determinant, minor) these are understandable.
This may have been true in the old world, but in the zombie apocalypse, Clementines actions are far more reasonable than anything Gabe has done so far (with the exception of shooting that guy in Prescott)
Clementine says "Huh, Finally" because she finally knows where AJ is
She shoots a man who pulled a knife on her and Javi, and also doesnt seem to care that he sold her faulty bullets (we will never know whether or not the faulty bullets or the one that fired is the exception here, but since he doesnt seem very concerned with Clementine holding a gun to his face, we can assume that the working bullet was the exception)
Staying behind to deal with the New Frontier was the smart move, if Clem and Javi (determinantly) didnt stay behind, The New Frontier would have just followed them to Richmond (which they admittedly do anyways, but people like that arent gonna give up just because you leave)
so it's reasonable to run tied up while people with AK 47s all around you to attempt to tackle someone who is armed to save some guy's life … morethat you met 5 days ago?( season 2, episode 2)
It's reasonable to put out a guy in a aggressive matter that you considered your friend just for a clue and for siding for the man that got him to care for life again. And her reaction after is "Huh, finally."
she shoots a man in a fit.
Too blinded by revenge to leave with Javi and the family, In the shoot out.
All of her swearing, flipping people off,spiting in faces.(determinant, minor) these are understandable.
Clementine says "Huh, Finally" because she finally knows where AJ is
She says it as if she just got the new xbox and just had to wait in line. She just killed a friend or/and hastily puts him out. "Huh, finally." seems like Lingard was the kid in the line that got in the way of the xbox.
She shoots a man.
Eli is a ass. but doesn't make the scene anymore less responsible. Even if the bullets weren't fake, come on, you have this adorable little girl pointing a gun at you. I won't take her serious, either. Unless, I knew her. And if I did, I jump out the nearest window because the D on her hat stands for death and I don't want any of that. Also, Clem points the gun at Eli first. She creates the life or death situation with the knife, not Eli.
Staying behind to deal with the New Frontier was the smart move, if Clem and Javi (determinantly) didnt stay behind, The New Frontier would have just followed them to Richmond
Clementine says "Huh, Finally" because she finally knows where AJ is
She shoots a man who pulled a knife on her and Javi, and also doesnt… more seem to care that he sold her faulty bullets (we will never know whether or not the faulty bullets or the one that fired is the exception here, but since he doesnt seem very concerned with Clementine holding a gun to his face, we can assume that the working bullet was the exception)
Staying behind to deal with the New Frontier was the smart move, if Clem and Javi (determinantly) didnt stay behind, The New Frontier would have just followed them to Richmond (which they admittedly do anyways, but people like that arent gonna give up just because you leave)
Remember that Gabe is his nephew who he's loosely raised over the past four years, while Clementine is someone he recently met by being robb… moreed by her and later has either cover up or tell the truth about her killing a community's weapon dealer. And now she's gonna hang around his already hot-headed but still impressionable nephew? I think there's plenty of logic to see as to why he'd say that.
meeting a friend in school and meeting a stranger in a zombie apocalypse are two COMPLETELY different things.
Nope, the core is the same. Simple. "You don't need to spend a certain amount of time together to become friends with someone".
why even have them as choices in the first place, huh?
Did you not read my comment? [...] in order to create the illusion of choice.
Telltale could easily remove these false choices and write their games in a linear way. The outcome would still be the same.
So I'm stupid for wanting variety in my choices rather than for the same outcome to happen no matter how I treat a person? Sorry, but the on… morely stupidity in this situation is you.
And meeting a friend in school and meeting a stranger in a zombie apocalypse are two COMPLETELY different things. Can't believe you think they can even be compared. Again, if my choices are "stupid" then why even have them as choices in the first place, huh?
Eli is a ass. but doesn't make the scene anymore less responsible. Even if the bullets weren't fake, come on, you have this adorable little girl pointing a gun at you. I won't take her serious, either. Unless, I knew her. And if I did, I jump out the nearest window because the D on her hat stands for death and I don't want any of that. Also, Clem points the gun at Eli first. She creates the life or death situation with the knife, not Eli.
Pretty much this, as I got the feeling that Eli simply didn't think she'd actually pull the trigger from how he flinches and only gets up to stab her when she actually did. From that and the fact he was clearly afraid of her after being disarmed, I also got the idea that it really was just a few faulty bullets rather than outright fakes, but he didn't really care due to the implication that Clementine had created trouble in Prescott before and having Javier alongside her just convinced him she wanted to scare more product of him.
Clementine says "Huh, Finally" because she finally knows where AJ is
She says it as if she just got the new xbox and just had to wai… moret in line. She just killed a friend or/and hastily puts him out. "Huh, finally." seems like Lingard was the kid in the line that got in the way of the xbox.
She shoots a man.
Eli is a ass. but doesn't make the scene anymore less responsible. Even if the bullets weren't fake, come on, you have this adorable little girl pointing a gun at you. I won't take her serious, either. Unless, I knew her. And if I did, I jump out the nearest window because the D on her hat stands for death and I don't want any of that. Also, Clem points the gun at Eli first. She creates the life or death situation with the knife, not Eli.
Staying behind to deal with the New Frontier was the smart move, if Clem and Javi (determinantly) didnt stay behind, The New Frontier would have just followed them to Richmond
Exactly
Don't blame the game for your stupid decisions.
I initially told Jesus not to worry about her, and lil Javi goes off on this speech … moreabout how she's nothing. I literally had to exit the game twice in episode 2 because of his dickheaded responses that weren't reflected in the options given. But "your wife is gonna leave you because she loves me now! Thanks for giving me a place to live btw" Javier is such a swell guy. Yay Javito!
funny, reminds me of the exact opposite, where javi has the option to say "We don't need you" to Jesus, which sounds negative and angry but actually isn't. I chose that because Jesus' moral grandstanding was pissing me off, and I wanted to tell him off.
Ah yes. This scene especially makes sense when you betray Clem and tell her she's nothing but a liar to you. It makes no sense why she would let Javi even touch her since even if you were nice to her, she still met you a couple of days ago max.
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Telling Gabe Clem is not family is very determinant.
Javi to Clem:"I am sorry Clem"
Clem to Javi:"but you said"
Javi to Clem:"I know Clem but this isn't worth Gabe's life"
My Javi told Gabe he couldn't kill Conrad and this is it.
Gabe:"Yeah sure you couldn't"
At the gate my Javi told Max Clem is my friend.
I think these choices are clear for Clementine to understand the situation.
Clementine is just a young kid.
Of course she easily forgave Javi.
Especially since she is very alone and scared in a fucked up zombie apocalypse.
We can see clearly she follows Javi and trying to prove him she is a very valuable girl to have around.
She could easily just left him.
We always are easy to think Clem has an adult mind like us.
She is just 13! I remember me at that age I was easily angry and I easily forgot I was angry.
Have you even seen some of the things Clem has done in front of Javi and the group? To anyone in that group, Clem would appear as a troubled and dangerous child. She's the equivalent of that kid in class that's lives in the bad side of town and has that rumor that she put some kid in a coma, type stuff. I would advise my nephew to be careful with her, too.
Gabe is just a nice kid. Clem is the "bad" influence.
Remember that Gabe is his nephew who he's loosely raised over the past four years, while Clementine is someone he recently met by being robbed by her and later has either cover up or tell the truth about her killing a community's weapon dealer. And now she's gonna hang around his already hot-headed but still impressionable nephew? I think there's plenty of logic to see as to why he'd say that.
It can still work as an apology on his part for treating her so badly ignorant of all she's been through. In fact, they should've had Conrad change his attitude there since it was his idea to use her as a bargaining chip in the first place.
I'm actually glad that they're not as close. With TTG, i can only imagine how forced and annoying that would be. Already it's kind of forced.
Clem has no purpose in ANF. She's just there. She's like the Mark or Doug of this season. Only thing notable to say is the flashbacks. They should release all the flashbacks seperate in chronological order and put them in a seperate DLC and just let me play that. I could care less about ANF at this point.
This may have been true in the old world, but in the zombie apocalypse, Clementines actions are far more reasonable than anything Gabe has done so far (with the exception of shooting that guy in Prescott)
Why Doug?
I initially told Jesus not to worry about her, and lil Javi goes off on this speech about how she's nothing. I literally had to exit the game twice in episode 2 because of his dickheaded responses that weren't reflected in the options given. But "your wife is gonna leave you because she loves me now! Thanks for giving me a place to live btw" Javier is such a swell guy. Yay Javito!
Doesn't do much, but when the story demands it, he does something. (laser pointer thing, bell trap thing)
Clementine doesn't do much this season, but when the story needs her, she has a flashback, etc.
Maybe a bad comparison lol.
Okay, that makes some sense.
so it's reasonable to run tied up while people with AK 47s all around you to attempt to tackle someone who is armed to save some guy's life that you met 5 days ago?( season 2, episode 2)
It's reasonable to put out a guy in a aggressive matter that you considered your friend just for a clue and for siding for the man that got him to care for life again. And her reaction after is "Huh, finally."
she shoots a man in a fit.
Too blinded by revenge to leave with Javi and the family, In the shoot out.
All of her swearing, flipping people off,spiting in faces.(determinant, minor) these are understandable.
Clementine says "Huh, Finally" because she finally knows where AJ is
She shoots a man who pulled a knife on her and Javi, and also doesnt seem to care that he sold her faulty bullets (we will never know whether or not the faulty bullets or the one that fired is the exception here, but since he doesnt seem very concerned with Clementine holding a gun to his face, we can assume that the working bullet was the exception)
Staying behind to deal with the New Frontier was the smart move, if Clem and Javi (determinantly) didnt stay behind, The New Frontier would have just followed them to Richmond (which they admittedly do anyways, but people like that arent gonna give up just because you leave)
She says it as if she just got the new xbox and just had to wait in line. She just killed a friend or/and hastily puts him out. "Huh, finally." seems like Lingard was the kid in the line that got in the way of the xbox.
Eli is a ass. but doesn't make the scene anymore less responsible. Even if the bullets weren't fake, come on, you have this adorable little girl pointing a gun at you. I won't take her serious, either. Unless, I knew her. And if I did, I jump out the nearest window because the D on her hat stands for death and I don't want any of that. Also, Clem points the gun at Eli first. She creates the life or death situation with the knife, not Eli.
Exactly
A bad mix.
Nope, the core is the same. Simple. "You don't need to spend a certain amount of time together to become friends with someone".
Did you not read my comment? [...] in order to create the illusion of choice.
Telltale could easily remove these false choices and write their games in a linear way. The outcome would still be the same.
Pretty much this, as I got the feeling that Eli simply didn't think she'd actually pull the trigger from how he flinches and only gets up to stab her when she actually did. From that and the fact he was clearly afraid of her after being disarmed, I also got the idea that it really was just a few faulty bullets rather than outright fakes, but he didn't really care due to the implication that Clementine had created trouble in Prescott before and having Javier alongside her just convinced him she wanted to scare more product of him.
he says she's nothing? really?
Yup. Telling Jesus not to worry about her is an angry response by Javier saying she's nothing, lets just go.
funny, reminds me of the exact opposite, where javi has the option to say "We don't need you" to Jesus, which sounds negative and angry but actually isn't. I chose that because Jesus' moral grandstanding was pissing me off, and I wanted to tell him off.
THIS