STOP making Clem the only one that matter
This topic was made cause I just could not bare all the people that do not care about anything but Clem. I hate seeing "Clem this, Clem that, and I don´t care about that I just care about Clem" and so on. One character, will never make a good game, cause the only one you´ll care about, will be the character you love(Clem). You won´t care about her possible friends, lovers, sisters brothers children and so on... So they can all die and you won´t give a shit cause clem is alive. And that is what the new frontier wanted to make:
They wanted us to get use to the characters, to understand them, to love them, to care about they relationhsip, to make our own family, our own crew, our own happy ending, our own fucking story that we like, so we will have the base of characters that will stay be the Clems side in the future.
Clem will never be a good playable character, but Javi would. If you want Clem playable, you are always gonna need someone who will take care of you. Since if you want to kick someones ass and you are not just able to shoot him, clem is not strong enough to kick someone ass just using her hands, but Javi does. She will always be the one who should be taken care of so she need a "parent" a "protector" not looking at how badass Clem is, she is just not grown up enough and she´ll never be strong enough since she is a woman. We need a male character that we would care about, that we would care about his family, about his past, and also about our CLem. I don´t say I like Clems story pushed aside in this season, but they had to develop Garcias family somehow, so please try to get used to them. And I guarantee that even if Clem is not playable character in season 4/DLC- you´ll definitely love it, cause Garcias story is ended, they do not have to influence it anymore, so it can be just Javi and Clem in the next season.
So just please stop hating TT for making this season, you may not love it, but at least show some respect, and not giving a thought about clem please agree that the story of new frontier and garcias family was well written. You can bet you´ll have more clementine in DLC/season 4, but please don´t force telltale forget Garcia family for good.
The relationships they´ve built this season, they just have to have some impact on season 4. But when TT will see that the only one you care about is Clem, they´ll start thinking the whole season was for nothing and we will have the same as Jane/Kenny this season or absolutely nothing.
Do not hate me, look I get it if you love Clem, but if you does so hard that you are just gonna call me stupid here, please do not say anything and just ignore the topic.. thanks!
Have a nice day
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In a way I agree. I feel the reason this seasons was unpopular wasn't the story at all, but more because people could not get over the fact that Clementine was not the playable character. Thus, keeping people from really seeing the purpose of having Javi.
I liked Javi and I like Clem too and I am probably one of the few people who had the nerve to disagree with Clem at times.
Clementine didn't matter in season 3 at all. Probably didn't even need to be in the game. A lot of people wanted Clementine to have a bigger part and thought the game would be better and I don't see why they should just stop saying it because it upsets some people.
I share the same sentiment.
Well kind sir/madam I feel have I to say that if you like ANF then by all means, that's you and your opinion. You like what they had to offer, and that is fine. Some of us however have different things in mind for what we want from the series. Yes there those of us who feel strongly about having Clem be a protagonist, but that is their opinion. And you may feel she wouldn't be a good main character but I do, some of us do. Now me personally if they kept going on Javi's story I wouldn't like it, I would probably stop buying TWD but it wouldn't be the end of my world. I just don't think it's automatically wrong to not like the season if people don't like a decision regarding the story or game itself.
There needs to be progression. I like a change in protagonists.
It's because Clem IS and will ALWAYS be the MAIN character how can you expect people to care for these random characters that only exist for "newcomers" when a good chunk of those characters weren't even that developed, or interesting for that matter
Clem is all what matter in this sick world no one and nothing else.
It doesn't matter with this fan base. Javier and company could have all the development in the world, it still wouldn't matter to most simply because he isn't Clementine. And that's not fair at all.
Telltale used Clem as a cash grab for the new frontier and are using her again as a cash grab for another season or dlc. The new frontier was short in length and had a lot of shortcomings. Clem was not needed. She was just introduced to lure fans in and for some determinant nonsense. She was only playable in short flashbacks and mostly acted as a npc. Most of her actions were controlled by the story and plot but not by you. Her talking to gabe, the kiss, her hugging him were all actions that you had no control over. Her main purpose was to find aj but she never did. That's being dragged out for dlc or a new season. People have a right to voice their hatred, opinions about telltale plus anger towards them and to express their disdain towards the new frontier.
As I said, one character will never make a good game. And TT had already killed all her "friends" and her crew. There just had to be some "newcomers". Or do you want all the season be the same? Clem a badass going from one problem to another, all people around her dying but Clem survives. Yes that is what TT can do, kill everybody, let Clem go through season to season. But I don´t thinks those deaths would have some impact on you.
But after this season, you can´t tell Garcias are some newcomers anymore, we know everything we need about them... So let them fight by Clems side.
Your title makes it sound like your beef is with TTG. Then you go on to talk about the fans.
Your 2nd point. Have you played the games outside of season 1? Season 2 Clementine is the 11 year old who everyone looks to for the decision making. The only one strong enough to survive it all. She doesn't need to be taken care of more than anyone else does at this point and shes only getting older. She has a unique advantage in dealing with the apoc as the further she gets from her childhood years the closer its become all shes ever known.
TTG blatantly misled people entering this "season" so as far as I see it all the criticism they got was well deserved. We play as Clem for 2 seasons. Get told we are continuing her story only to have the focus be entirely on these new people we are suddenly supposed to care about when the person we've been following the last 5 years is right there in the background. Not even a Borderlands split narrative...and people got mad about that? SHOCKED. TTG deserved the flack.
Did you really just say her being a women means shes not good enough. In a FICTIONAL story regardless? Dude, wasn't it TWD focus not being o nthe manly man crap that made it good in the first place? It's not like Lee was beating the crap out of people left and right. These are story driven games...there is unlimited button sequence ideas they could do to fit someone lacking Brock Lesnar strength. They've done that part fine in every title so far.
Something tells me Clem could beat up a few guys her age.
And it's post like these as to why they'll never be any progression.
IF every single action of Clem depended on you, I bet you´ll start hate it cause you will not care about anybody else, at it´ll always be the same. People dying, clem surviving.
Imagine season 3 Clem playable character, again every garcia helping her ends up dead. Clem walking to the sunshine looking forward to next adventure.
Season 4 the same. Group of people heping her find AJ, again everybody dies, Clem and Aj walks into the sunshine. The end.
Season 5- Grown up Clem, finds a group of survivors. Helping each other, running to a problem, Aj gets killed. Clem crying. Wants a revenge. Her crew helping her. AGain everybody dies. Clem survives. End of story.
and it would still be the same everytime.
Well, I don´t mind if this is what would be a ideal season for you
She did beat guys a few guys on her age maybe not in a hand hand fight but she did beat some guys take the new frontier as example when they killed mari and shot kate if you left with family she stay and fight them alone.
But what about the people who do like Javier or any other future main protagonists? Should TellTale just cater to the pro Clementine fan base forever and never change characters again? There doesn't seem to be much consideration around here for fans who'd enjoy a change in main characters.
What?
Yep using guns, there is no way she can defend herself when being disarmed. And that would be the thing I would miss if she is a playable character. I´m not saying I don´t want her story to develop in season 4, I just don´t want her to be playable like in season 1
It's because they chose to have the whole story based on javi and his family, which is fine in that sense, but they chose to sideline clem the main character for the "newcomers" sake so they won't feel lost in the story(As if thats an issue that exists). In a way, telltale forcefully made javi the only one that matters so how can you not expect the same from clem side? I don't think it's the fact that people don't like javi that makes people only want clem to matter, but rather that people want both to matter but telltale chose javi this season. Get what I'm saying?
It could honestly go either way it seems, at the end of the day someone's going to have to get the short end of the stick with the decision. Some of us want Clem, some of us want other protagonists and Telltale will do what they're gonna do. Like I said, they could very well go the route of changing protagonists and me personally I'd be fine with it though I wouldn't like it. It's not that I don't want other people to be disappointed but eventually they'll have to make a choice that someone doesn't like. Telltale can't please all of us.
By "newcomers" I mean the actual people that play this game. I'm all for new characters joining clem but if your going to do that don't sideline the main character that could potentially fight by clem side.
Well I want her to be playable like in season two, I don't care if she can't do hand to hand fight, as long as I have her as the main playable character for the series cus that what she always was than I am happy.
Clem's the mc. She's the franchise. If telltale said that clem would only have a minor role and would mostly be unplayable the new frontier would've barely sold or would've more than likely flopped completely. And when you do play as her it's not even in the present time. It's very insulting that clem was utilize the way she was in the new frontier. Clem survives or twd doesn't. The series wouldn't survive long without her. Fans since season one grew up with clem and have developed an attachment to her and the characters in season one and two but since they killed off lee, kenny, omid, carley, doug, christa, ben, luke, sarah, duck, nick and jane, clem and aj is all the fans since day one have. The new frontier did not do clem, her fans and fans since season one justice. Aj isn't as liked as clem or as popular and he's a season two character. He wouldn't be able to carry the franchise by himself. Clem however can.
I disagree with you when you say that Clementine would never make a good playable character, your reasoning for her being a bad playable character that she "cant kick someones ass" is exactly why she is interesting, you are more vulnerable, and cant just get out with brute force, so you have to be smart, careful, which in turn makes you less trusting of people, which is a big thing in TWD, another thing that makes me think that Clementine is a better protagonist/playable character than Javier, is the fact that Javiers morals are alot more clear cut than Clementines, I could much easier see Clementine just walking out from Richmond after shit hit the fan in episode 5, but I could ALSO see her staying and helping, because with all the shit she has been through, both actions are justifiable for her, which is why she makes a great playable character, because for a choice game to actually have any choice, you have to be able to justify those choices
Well maybe if they hadn't killed so many main characters off from S1 and S2 then we would care about other people, any of the likes of Kenny, Christa, Omid, Luke, Nick, Jane and Bonnie etc could of survived up to S3 instead of just Clementine. But no TellTale are clueless writers and therefore do not do things properly and that all adds to a poor uninteresting story which otherwise could of been great.
Just look at the Comic and TV Series, there are still main characters who have been in it from early on and people care about them far more than new characters, it's not as if Rick is the only one left since the earlier days.
You can have progression, just don't do it without the main character
Well I anin´t a newcomer. And I still loved ANF
Amen. Playing as a little girl in the zombie apocalypse is such a shot outta left field and I thoroughly enjoyed that aspect of season 2. It's a perspective that never gets told. You're always a strong male lead who's the protector of others, never the damsel who has to use different skills to make it, like clementine who is cunning and extremely smart. She's got a huge set of metaphorical nuts hanging between her legs.
Clementine served as a great main character in season 2 for me, and I'd love more of her going forward. I hope they cut back on the time skips, because playing as a badass little girl is so unique and fun to me.
On the other hand, I'm very open to other characters coming into her life and playing a huge role. I would love for the games to allow some characters to survive and stick together going forward like they do in the television show. Clementine being a big part of a large group like rick's would be super cool and I think they should absolutely start getting to that.
I completely disagree. What ttg is doing is right, CLEM IS TWD
Good for you, I thought it was okay
The walking dead telltale series is about clementine and will allways be.
I stopped reading as soon as you degraded Clementine as a "woman". I'm not going to coddle your ignorance.
Exactly
As bad as ANF was, TT made a little step in a right direction in terms of character development - people can actually live through their determinant status and storylines can differ, so the game is far more interesting when you know you can keep certain characters alive and permanently kill other ones.
It doesn't work with all of them, however I can see the progression. The point is, will Telltale continue to carry on this sort of treatment and actually keep alive characters on-screen, or was it just an affair on the side and characters from ANF don't matter at all. Judging from TT's habits I'd say that the game was a one night stand and we won't see them again, so our choices can differ all we want because at the end of a day they don't matter.
It was all going well until this part.
I present Michonne as a counterargument to this point. Clem is definitely Michonne material. Don't rule her out as a good protagonist just because she is female. Because she is young? Okay, makes sense (I disagree, but I understand and see where you are coming from). But not because she is female.
If this was directed at Telltale, I'd agree.
Totally agree with you. I think Clem and Javi should be the two main characters of season 4. I honestly don't care which one I play as, as long as they are both in the game and focused on in the story. I will be devastated if they handle Javi the same way they handled the season 2 endings. I would also like to see Gabe join them because Gabe is alive in my ANF, so I want to see his relationship with Clem develop. If Telltale does this right, this could be the break they need to bring Walking Dead fans back.