Arvo was not a kid, he was like 18 years old. Besides the fact that he also lies and leads his group of junkie bandits to ambush Clementine. Then he shoots Clem no matter what.
If you cant cite another instance where Kenny directly threatened or hurt a child besides this scumbag then I've proven my point.
Why don't Arvo count he's kid (Don't say because he shoots Clementine). Besides pointing a gun at someone really isn't the end of world don'… moret see why you're getting so mad about it he didn't hurt anyone either. I don't care about what Kenny or Conrad did because they both lost love ones multiple times and that drives anyone a bit crazy.
Does the age of the person really matter anyway? and as far as Conrad knew Clementine was apart of the enemy group who killed his wife and Kenny didn't know he'd shoot Clementine. Are future events an argument now and no you haven't proved anything lol and I don't give a shit about Arvo and I don't give a shit about him point a gun at Gabe he didn't even hurt the kid so what's making you so angry bout it.
Arvo was not a kid, he was like 18 years old. Besides the fact that he also lies and leads his group of junkie bandits to ambush Clementine.… more Then he shoots Clem no matter what.
If you cant cite another instance where Kenny directly threatened or hurt a child besides this scumbag then I've proven my point.
One of the developers revealed on the Telltale Stream that while the details varied a bit during development(Spanish Group, Arvo's design, being chased vs. acting as a decoy), the plan was always gonna be along the lines that Arvo was planning to get his sister away from the other two and got caught in the act thanks to Clementine and Jane's unexpected appearance throwing a wrench into things. The various translations of the actual scene makes it apparent that Arvo is only fine with going after the group if you steal from him, Buricko(bald guy) is the one who decided they should rob the group on the spot, ammunition was the main he/Vitali was concerned about(it's been a while, but I remember a line about ammo), and Arvo has issues with robbing the group regardless of how you treated him.
Arvo was not a kid, he was like 18 years old. Besides the fact that he also lies and leads his group of junkie bandits to ambush Clementine.… more Then he shoots Clem no matter what.
If you cant cite another instance where Kenny directly threatened or hurt a child besides this scumbag then I've proven my point.
I'm not so much angry about it as I am in disbelief over the fact that people happily forget his despicable actions just because he has multiple determinant deaths. He was on a Larry level of callousness towards children and it was evil and unforgivable.
And yes, the age of the person being threatened matters. Children are precious and worth protecting is a pretty significant staple of the Walking Dead series.
Also just stop comparing Conrad's actions to Kenny, who as I said already never purposefully threatens anyone's life that isn't a danger to his loved ones. Kenny was always focused on protecting kids and wouldn't have done that.
Does the age of the person really matter anyway? and as far as Conrad knew Clementine was apart of the enemy group who killed his wife and K… moreenny didn't know he'd shoot Clementine. Are future events an argument now and no you haven't proved anything lol and I don't give a shit about Arvo and I don't give a shit about him point a gun at Gabe he didn't even hurt the kid so what's making you so angry bout it.
Does the age of the person really matter anyway? and as far as Conrad knew Clementine was apart of the enemy group who killed his wife and K… moreenny didn't know he'd shoot Clementine. Are future events an argument now and no you haven't proved anything lol and I don't give a shit about Arvo and I don't give a shit about him point a gun at Gabe he didn't even hurt the kid so what's making you so angry bout it.
One of the developers revealed on the Telltale Stream that while the details varied a bit during development(Spanish Group, Arvo's design, b… moreeing chased vs. acting as a decoy), the plan was always gonna be along the lines that Arvo was planning to get his sister away from the other two and got caught in the act thanks to Clementine and Jane's unexpected appearance throwing a wrench into things. The various translations of the actual scene makes it apparent that Arvo is only fine with going after the group if you steal from him, Buricko(bald guy) is the one who decided they should rob the group on the spot, ammunition was the main he/Vitali was concerned about(it's been a while, but I remember a line about ammo), and Arvo has issues with robbing the group regardless of how you treated him.
We forgive because:
1. His wife or girlfriend (Can't remember) just died.
2. He knows what he did was wrong if Conrad was as evil as imply he wouldn't of admitted it.
3. He didn't hurt anyone it's really not the end of the world.
4. He can sacrifice himself to save Javi in episode 4 a guy he's known for a week at maximum.
I'm not so much angry about it as I am in disbelief over the fact that people happily forget his despicable actions just because he has mult… moreiple determinant deaths. He was on a Larry level of callousness towards children and it was evil and unforgivable.
And yes, the age of the person being threatened matters. Children are precious and worth protecting is a pretty significant staple of the Walking Dead series.
Also just stop comparing Conrad's actions to Kenny, who as I said already never purposefully threatens anyone's life that isn't a danger to his loved ones. Kenny was always focused on protecting kids and wouldn't have done that.
But nothing significant occurs for him to feel this way, very out of character. Plus Clem and Gabe never mention it again and aren't wary of him.
It would have been the end of Javi and Gabe's world if the silent choice didn't reload the game and Clementine could have been killed or worse if TNF were truly monsters.
Again this makes little to no sense.
Javier had just lost his niece/daughter to a maniac with a gun. You truly think he would have just forgiven this maniac who threatened Gabe with a gun? Nah.
We forgive because:
1. His wife or girlfriend (Can't remember) just died.
2. He knows what he did was wrong if Conrad was as evil as imply… more he wouldn't of admitted it.
3. He didn't hurt anyone it's really not the end of the world.
4. He can sacrifice himself to save Javi in episode 4 a guy he's known for a week at maximum.
Nope only Conrad's wife just died what are you talking about?
Because it wasn't that big of a deal
Idc about non canon scenes, and again as far as Conrad knew Clementine was a member of TNF
You do know that Conrad can sacrifice himself for Javi right? How does that not make sense? Can you just not accept that Conrad does a heroic thing for Javi? I really don't get how that doesn't make sense.
* Everyone's wife/girlfriend/husband/son/daughter just died. Doesn't excuse threatening someone else's loved one.
* But nothing significant… more occurs for him to feel this way, very out of character. Plus Clem and Gabe never mention it again and aren't wary of him.
* It would have been the end of Javi and Gabe's world if the silent choice didn't reload the game and Clementine could have been killed or worse if TNF were truly monsters.
* Again this makes little to no sense.
Javier had just lost his niece/daughter to a maniac with a gun. You truly think he would have just forgiven this maniac who threatened Gabe with a gun? Nah.
Exactly what I said: Unless Clementine either grabs Kenny's gun or charges while tied up when Carver takes Alvin hostage, Kenny will take that shot and Alvin will die because of that.
Clementine does not suffer any consequences for being brought along to Richmond; and Conrad promptly bounces back after Badger dies, and his mental state heals.
Clementine does not suffer any consequences for being brought along to Richmond; and Conrad promptly bounces back after Badger dies, and his mental state heals.
Sparing him is clearly the right choice.
Clementine does not suffer any consequences for being brought along to Richmond; and Conrad promptly bounces back after Badger dies, and his mental state heals.
Sparing him is clearly the right choice.
But there was no way of knowing that when we were first making the decision. The only thing we know about TNF is they killed a child and that Clementine is disturbed from her experience with them.
And like I mentioned, Conrad suddenly doing a 180 without any incidents or developments is rather uncharacteristic considering the route he was heading down.
Clementine does not suffer any consequences for being brought along to Richmond; and Conrad promptly bounces back after Badger dies, and his mental state heals.
Sparing him is clearly the right choice.
But there was no way of knowing that when we were first making the decision. The only thing we know about TNF is they killed a child and that Clementine is disturbed from her experience with them.
That's a risk that I and a select few were willing to take.
And like I mentioned, Conrad suddenly doing a 180 without any incidents or developments is rather uncharacteristic considering the route he was heading down.
Yeah, I didn't really like how sudden it was myself. Hell, they really didn't even try to handwave it.
But there was no way of knowing that when we were first making the decision. The only thing we know about TNF is they killed a child and tha… moret Clementine is disturbed from her experience with them.
And like I mentioned, Conrad suddenly doing a 180 without any incidents or developments is rather uncharacteristic considering the route he was heading down.
Tripp telling Javi that shooting Conrad was the right choice is a valid argument—but the fact that the consequences of sparing him are preferable over the consequences of shooting him isn't a valid argument because we couldn't have known that at the time?
I do see that there was much uncertainty over what each path would lead to, at the time of making the decision. I was doubtful myself. Either way, I believe that comparing the consequences of both routes can be used to determine which is "the right choice." If there is one. And if you believe it shouldn't be used to judge which is the right choice, I don't see why you would be okay with taking Tripp's stance as a valuable aspect to consider.
But there was no way of knowing that when we were first making the decision. The only thing we know about TNF is they killed a child and tha… moret Clementine is disturbed from her experience with them.
And like I mentioned, Conrad suddenly doing a 180 without any incidents or developments is rather uncharacteristic considering the route he was heading down.
There is no real "right" choice. Whatever you believe to be the right choice is right for you but that doesn't mean other players made the w… morerong one. If you think killing Conrad is right then good for you but I believe that sparing him is right and no matter what Tripp believes that isn't changing.
So wait a second.
Tripp telling Javi that shooting Conrad was the right choice is a valid argument—but the fact that the consequences of … moresparing him are preferable over the consequences of shooting him isn't a valid argument because we couldn't have known that at the time?
I do see that there was much uncertainty over what each path would lead to, at the time of making the decision. I was doubtful myself. Either way, I believe that comparing the consequences of both routes can be used to determine which is "the right choice." If there is one. And if you believe it shouldn't be used to judge which is the right choice, I don't see why you would be okay with taking Tripp's stance as a valuable aspect to consider.
We forgive because:
1. His wife or girlfriend (Can't remember) just died.
2. He knows what he did was wrong if Conrad was as evil as imply… more he wouldn't of admitted it.
3. He didn't hurt anyone it's really not the end of the world.
4. He can sacrifice himself to save Javi in episode 4 a guy he's known for a week at maximum.
Regardless of determinant outcomes I truly believe that shooting Conrad then and there is the "right" choice. He pointed guns at kids, he was beyond talking down, and if you stay silent he kills you and Gabe. Not to mention the main point which is that he wants to return Clem (most beloved character) to the group that traumatized her under unclear circumstances. All of these factors make shooting him the right choice, as evidenced by the ~92% of players who shot him originally.
I believe that everyone has their own journey and interpretation of events which makes certain choices seem "right", but this is one choice where I believe that the overwhelmingly correct choice is being undone and convoluted by the fact that Conrad has a neat-o triple determinant status. His unique treatment has caused many characters to change their decision and I simply believe that is a weak reason to disregard his horrific actions.
PS: shooting Conrad really sucked for me I liked his character a lot
So wait a second.
Tripp telling Javi that shooting Conrad was the right choice is a valid argument—but the fact that the consequences of … moresparing him are preferable over the consequences of shooting him isn't a valid argument because we couldn't have known that at the time?
I do see that there was much uncertainty over what each path would lead to, at the time of making the decision. I was doubtful myself. Either way, I believe that comparing the consequences of both routes can be used to determine which is "the right choice." If there is one. And if you believe it shouldn't be used to judge which is the right choice, I don't see why you would be okay with taking Tripp's stance as a valuable aspect to consider.
How does anything you just said relate to anything Kenny did? Lmao.
You dont threaten children or aim guns at them. Period. Conrad deserves to die for it, Tripp even says so. That is the crux of the argument.
He wanted Ben dead for getting his family killed, tries to hit him when he finds out, but ultimately never lays a hand on him and forgives him if Ben survives.
I only originally shot Conrad since I thought people would save him and wanted to have a unique playthrough since a lot of previous Walking Dead players chose to save Ben, Nick, Sarah, Zachary, and Rufus while Alvin was tricky to save. My reasoning had nothing to do with Clementine since I didn't think people would resort to killing someone the first chance and I just predicted wrong.
Regardless of determinant outcomes I truly believe that shooting Conrad then and there is the "right" choice. He pointed guns at kids, he wa… mores beyond talking down, and if you stay silent he kills you and Gabe. Not to mention the main point which is that he wants to return Clem (most beloved character) to the group that traumatized her under unclear circumstances. All of these factors make shooting him the right choice, as evidenced by the ~92% of players who shot him originally.
I believe that everyone has their own journey and interpretation of events which makes certain choices seem "right", but this is one choice where I believe that the overwhelmingly correct choice is being undone and convoluted by the fact that Conrad has a neat-o triple determinant status. His unique treatment has caused many characters to change their decision and I simply believe that is a weak reason to disregard his horrific actions.
PS: shooting Conrad really sucked for me I liked his character a lot
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Arvo was not a kid, he was like 18 years old. Besides the fact that he also lies and leads his group of junkie bandits to ambush Clementine. Then he shoots Clem no matter what.
If you cant cite another instance where Kenny directly threatened or hurt a child besides this scumbag then I've proven my point.
I love regretting things in this game, makes the experience more meaningful.
Does the age of the person really matter anyway? and as far as Conrad knew Clementine was apart of the enemy group who killed his wife and Kenny didn't know he'd shoot Clementine. Are future events an argument now and no you haven't proved anything lol and I don't give a shit about Arvo and I don't give a shit about him point a gun at Gabe he didn't even hurt the kid so what's making you so angry bout it.
One of the developers revealed on the Telltale Stream that while the details varied a bit during development(Spanish Group, Arvo's design, being chased vs. acting as a decoy), the plan was always gonna be along the lines that Arvo was planning to get his sister away from the other two and got caught in the act thanks to Clementine and Jane's unexpected appearance throwing a wrench into things. The various translations of the actual scene makes it apparent that Arvo is only fine with going after the group if you steal from him, Buricko(bald guy) is the one who decided they should rob the group on the spot, ammunition was the main he/Vitali was concerned about(it's been a while, but I remember a line about ammo), and Arvo has issues with robbing the group regardless of how you treated him.
I'm not so much angry about it as I am in disbelief over the fact that people happily forget his despicable actions just because he has multiple determinant deaths. He was on a Larry level of callousness towards children and it was evil and unforgivable.
And yes, the age of the person being threatened matters. Children are precious and worth protecting is a pretty significant staple of the Walking Dead series.
Also just stop comparing Conrad's actions to Kenny, who as I said already never purposefully threatens anyone's life that isn't a danger to his loved ones. Kenny was always focused on protecting kids and wouldn't have done that.
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That's interesting Do you have a link? Did you mean that Buricko and Vitali mainly wanted to rob the group for ammo?
We forgive because:
1. His wife or girlfriend (Can't remember) just died.
2. He knows what he did was wrong if Conrad was as evil as imply he wouldn't of admitted it.
3. He didn't hurt anyone it's really not the end of the world.
4. He can sacrifice himself to save Javi in episode 4 a guy he's known for a week at maximum.
Yes. @KrayZGamer linked the translations(and dilagou for that scene in general) in an old Arvo themed thread of his. I'll see if I can track it down.
EDIT:Found it. Here's the link itself.
Javier had just lost his niece/daughter to a maniac with a gun. You truly think he would have just forgiven this maniac who threatened Gabe with a gun? Nah.
Yeah. It means Kenny will get your fatass killed unless someone he cares about gets in the way. And even that's not a guarantee.
Wait what care to explain your comment
Exactly what I said: Unless Clementine either grabs Kenny's gun or charges while tied up when Carver takes Alvin hostage, Kenny will take that shot and Alvin will die because of that.
Clementine does not suffer any consequences for being brought along to Richmond; and Conrad promptly bounces back after Badger dies, and his mental state heals.
Sparing him is clearly the right choice.
Hell, Conrad came to his senses before they ran into Badger, which was more or less a happy accident.
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But there was no way of knowing that when we were first making the decision. The only thing we know about TNF is they killed a child and that Clementine is disturbed from her experience with them.
And like I mentioned, Conrad suddenly doing a 180 without any incidents or developments is rather uncharacteristic considering the route he was heading down.
It was kind of a serious wasted plot direction.
That's a risk that I and a select few were willing to take.
Yeah, I didn't really like how sudden it was myself. Hell, they really didn't even try to handwave it.
So wait a second.
Tripp telling Javi that shooting Conrad was the right choice is a valid argument—but the fact that the consequences of sparing him are preferable over the consequences of shooting him isn't a valid argument because we couldn't have known that at the time?
I do see that there was much uncertainty over what each path would lead to, at the time of making the decision. I was doubtful myself. Either way, I believe that comparing the consequences of both routes can be used to determine which is "the right choice." If there is one. And if you believe it shouldn't be used to judge which is the right choice, I don't see why you would be okay with taking Tripp's stance as a valuable aspect to consider.
I share the sentiment.
I think it's partly based on the fact that Tripp is the whole reason killing Conrad was a big deal aside from Conrad's own determinant scenes.
Yup.
Regardless of determinant outcomes I truly believe that shooting Conrad then and there is the "right" choice. He pointed guns at kids, he was beyond talking down, and if you stay silent he kills you and Gabe. Not to mention the main point which is that he wants to return Clem (most beloved character) to the group that traumatized her under unclear circumstances. All of these factors make shooting him the right choice, as evidenced by the ~92% of players who shot him originally.
I believe that everyone has their own journey and interpretation of events which makes certain choices seem "right", but this is one choice where I believe that the overwhelmingly correct choice is being undone and convoluted by the fact that Conrad has a neat-o triple determinant status. His unique treatment has caused many characters to change their decision and I simply believe that is a weak reason to disregard his horrific actions.
PS: shooting Conrad really sucked for me I liked his character a lot
Kenny wanted to kill Ben and Arvo. He threatened Arvo (Not an adult) and wanted to shoot him (Aims gun at him)
He wanted Ben dead for getting his family killed, tries to hit him when he finds out, but ultimately never lays a hand on him and forgives him if Ben survives.
And Arvo was not a child.
I only originally shot Conrad since I thought people would save him and wanted to have a unique playthrough since a lot of previous Walking Dead players chose to save Ben, Nick, Sarah, Zachary, and Rufus while Alvin was tricky to save. My reasoning had nothing to do with Clementine since I didn't think people would resort to killing someone the first chance and I just predicted wrong.