It's almost like TT couldn't figure out any other idea of how to write a scene with Javi and Clem which doesn't involve murdering, running around or escaping zombos. This just shows how bad this season was in terms of (everything) character bonding and how it miserably failed to add peaceful, calmer moments to the story.
I don't think it was a wrong move to make Clem ask Javi about something so personal...but I also wished there was more peaceful moments like you said, to make them share more.
It's almost like TT couldn't figure out any other idea of how to write a scene with Javi and Clem which doesn't involve murdering, running a… moreround or escaping zombos. This just shows how bad this season was in terms of (everything) character bonding and how it miserably failed to add peaceful, calmer moments to the story.
The first time it was scary. I was younger than everyone expected and I had no clue what it was. For Clem, it's possible that it's something she and Christa talked about, which honestly makes sense. She was probably scared the first time, but from what I could tell when we are talking about it with her it's not the first time...
Exactly! I don't know about you, but even knowing what period was and why, my first time I was quite shocked... I didn't expect so much blee… moreding, I was seriously scared to have to wear a diaper and didn't expect it to be so painful.
So the "I'm fine" from Clem I don't buy it, way too casual
I would surely be scared in her situation not knowing if it's normal that kind of pain etc...
You're probably right, that's why it sounded so casual to me. I really didn't think Christa talked about it with her, since she was very young when Omid died and barely talked to Clem after that.
The first time it was scary. I was younger than everyone expected and I had no clue what it was. For Clem, it's possible that it's something… more she and Christa talked about, which honestly makes sense. She was probably scared the first time, but from what I could tell when we are talking about it with her it's not the first time...
I'm glad they at least tried to bring up a serious topic like that. It was a little half-assed, but I'm glad it was in it.
Now if only they added scenes where characters actually needed to eat, sleep or poop like normal people, they might feel less like programmed models in a game.
It was an entirely pointless scene and was just another shit attempt of Telltale forcing a relationship between bland Javier and edgy Clementine, whilst still contributing absolutely nothing to the already shambles that was the apparent plot.
Oh, and what's with the obsession with this scene? And Clementine and periods, in general? There's already been multiple threads on this topic...Why the need to constantly repeat them?
Because, for the 3rd time, there was seemingly more effort and thought put into her design and usage in her debut episode than you'd expect. Especially when compared to other background and/or mook character models.
It wasn't pointless, if you realised that even in today's society, for many of us it's kind of taboo talking about periods, even more with men.
That scene clearly shows that Clem wasn't raised in our society, she's simply sharing her lack of knowledge with someone she trust.
It might even explain why she's so edgy
It was an entirely pointless scene and was just another shit attempt of Telltale forcing a relationship between bland Javier and edgy Clemen… moretine, whilst still contributing absolutely nothing to the already shambles that was the apparent plot.
Oh, and what's with the obsession with this scene? And Clementine and periods, in general? There's already been multiple threads on this topic...Why the need to constantly repeat them?
Did it contribute to the story? Did it contribute to Clementine or Javier's characters? No, it did not. It was largely pointless. As well as being unrealistic, as I find it highly illogical to think that Clementine would open up to Javier, someone she hardly knows, about such a personal thing. But then again, their entire supposed "friendship" is illogical, since we never get any sort of emotional weight to it, nor reasons for it's existence. The plot simply demands it and I'm just expected to care about it because of that, despite the clear flaws. Had their relationship been actually developed, like most competent writers would do, the scene could've worked as it would be establishing further the trust Clem has in Javier, but none of that happens. So, ultimately, it feels forced.
And on the subject of it being an apparent taboo in real life, I'd like to remind you that The Walking Dead is a game series about surviving in a fictitious apocalypse, often times to see the extents that characters can and will go to maintain their survival, whether they can hold onto their humanity or lose it in the process, and the difficult choices that come with that. Oh, and of course seeing zombies getting their brains crushed in for entertainment purposes. It's not meant to be a social commentary, trying to break society's taboos or some shit, it's meant to give us a glimpse into what the world could be like in that situation, story wise, and the tension/fun it can provide as a video game. There's no place for crap like this in a game, unless it actually makes developments in either the plot or the characters.
It wasn't pointless, if you realised that even in today's society, for many of us it's kind of taboo talking about periods, even more with m… moreen.
That scene clearly shows that Clem wasn't raised in our society, she's simply sharing her lack of knowledge with someone she trust.
It might even explain why she's so edgy
I liked it, it was handled well....I mean Clem knew what a period was, but let's face it everyone women knows you're never truly prepared for it when it comes, it's a shock even if you have all the details. Javi being uncomfortable about it was hilarious and made sense, but he also suggested she talk to Kate which was a great piece of advice since he obviously couldn't help.
I liked it, it was handled well....I mean Clem knew what a period was, but let's face it everyone women knows you're never truly prepared fo… morer it when it comes, it's a shock even if you have all the details. Javi being uncomfortable about it was hilarious and made sense, but he also suggested she talk to Kate which was a great piece of advice since he obviously couldn't help.
Overall it was a good scene.
Maybe I should have detailed a little more my point.
What I meant to say earlier was that Clem has no awareness about many things, including what you can talk or not to someone (male/female)
The trust she has in you will develop from the start depending on your choices, if you shot Rufus or not, if you kill the walker that attacks Clem at the gate in Prescott, if you cover for her when she kills the guy in the bar and I could go on until episode 4.
There was many occasions until then to show and say, that you trust and see Clem as your friend and savior, you also saved her ass 3 times. You can also count the times you tell people she's your friend.
1 - at the gate in Prescott
2 - when you cover for her when she kills the guy
3 - if you stay behind in the junkyard
4 - if she is with you at the gate in Richmond and you answer to Max that she's your friend etc.
5 - when you're thrown out of Richmond and Clem explain why we can't trust David, if you hug her, she will remember.
so don't say it's out of nowhere, because it shows clearly depending on how you played Javi.
But don't get me wrong, I also wish this season was longer. And sure it felt rushed from episode 1 to 5
Did it contribute to the story? Did it contribute to Clementine or Javier's characters? No, it did not. It was largely pointless. As well as… more being unrealistic, as I find it highly illogical to think that Clementine would open up to Javier, someone she hardly knows, about such a personal thing. But then again, their entire supposed "friendship" is illogical, since we never get any sort of emotional weight to it, nor reasons for it's existence. The plot simply demands it and I'm just expected to care about it because of that, despite the clear flaws. Had their relationship been actually developed, like most competent writers would do, the scene could've worked as it would be establishing further the trust Clem has in Javier, but none of that happens. So, ultimately, it feels forced.
And on the subject of it being an apparent taboo in real life, I'd like to remind you that The Walking Dead is a game series about surviving in a fictitious apoc… [view original content]
I already typed this dumb idea 2 times already, but the heck with it;
It would've been better if she gotten her period in a middle of a herd because I see it no other way being used as a character, nor for plot development.
Did it contribute to the story? Did it contribute to Clementine or Javier's characters? No, it did not. It was largely pointless. As well as… more being unrealistic, as I find it highly illogical to think that Clementine would open up to Javier, someone she hardly knows, about such a personal thing. But then again, their entire supposed "friendship" is illogical, since we never get any sort of emotional weight to it, nor reasons for it's existence. The plot simply demands it and I'm just expected to care about it because of that, despite the clear flaws. Had their relationship been actually developed, like most competent writers would do, the scene could've worked as it would be establishing further the trust Clem has in Javier, but none of that happens. So, ultimately, it feels forced.
And on the subject of it being an apparent taboo in real life, I'd like to remind you that The Walking Dead is a game series about surviving in a fictitious apoc… [view original content]
Maybe I should have detailed a little more my point.
What I meant to say earlier was that Clem has no awareness about many things, includi… moreng what you can talk or not to someone (male/female)
The trust she has in you will develop from the start depending on your choices, if you shot Rufus or not, if you kill the walker that attacks Clem at the gate in Prescott, if you cover for her when she kills the guy in the bar and I could go on until episode 4.
There was many occasions until then to show and say, that you trust and see Clem as your friend and savior, you also saved her ass 3 times. You can also count the times you tell people she's your friend.
1 - at the gate in Prescott
2 - when you cover for her when she kills the guy
3 - if you stay behind in the junkyard
4 - if she is with you at the gate in Richmond and you answer to Max that she's your friend etc.
5 - when you're thrown out of Richmond and Clem explain why we can't trust… [view original content]
I didn't cover her in my second game , I wasn't sure if that get her trust Javi more or less
* cover her lie, she see you are a good li… morear ; result = she doesn't trust you !
* don't cover her, she upset at you because you didn't help her ; result = she doesn't trust you !
The both could have been possible so I just tried another choice than my first
I agree with you here, using it in episode 5, it would have made more impact since Javi knows about her periods.
when you are at the water tower and Clem says, that you weren't nice to use her as hostage, to make you go down and switch on the generator.
It would have been better to make Javi say to Clem - I guess I have to go, since you can't ...you know...
or something along those lines.
I already typed this dumb idea 2 times already, but the heck with it;
It would've been better if she gotten her period in a middle of a herd because I see it no other way being used as a character, nor for plot development.
It's almost like TT couldn't figure out any other idea of how to write a scene with Javi and Clem which doesn't involve murdering, running a… moreround or escaping zombos. This just shows how bad this season was in terms of (everything) character bonding and how it miserably failed to add peaceful, calmer moments to the story.
Personally I think it was the stupidest thing in the entire world to include as a portion of the game. Like no shit she's going to go through that and whatever, every woman does.
Whats next? Are we going to explore how Carl gets his first fucking boner in the television show? OMG WHATS HAPPENING DAD?!?!?
How can you compare boners and periods? You can't imagine what we go through with menstruation, painful cramps, nausea, anemia, fever, chest pain, insomnia and I could go on with the symptoms, stress and sport activities make things worse.
Sure, every woman have to go through that, but Clem has been alone for a while, you can't just expect her to understand all those heavy changes just because she's a girl.
Personally I think it was the stupidest thing in the entire world to include as a portion of the game. Like no shit she's going to go throu… moregh that and whatever, every woman does.
Whats next? Are we going to explore how Carl gets his first fucking boner in the television show? OMG WHATS HAPPENING DAD?!?!?
Not to be taken seriously
No. I meant since zombies love blood for some reason, it would've been hilarious if they try and sneak around a herd, and get spotted because of Clem's period.
I agree with you here, using it in episode 5, it would have made more impact since Javi knows about her periods.
when you are at the water… more tower and Clem says, that you weren't nice to use her as hostage, to make you go down and switch on the generator.
It would have been better to make Javi say to Clem - I guess I have to go, since you can't ...you know...
or something along those lines.
... what?
No. I meant since zombies love blood for some reason, it would've been hilarious if they try and sneak around a herd, and get spotted because of Clem's period.
I'm not really comparing them. It was more of an ignorant stupid joke so I don't want you thinking that they are "one in the same" because I know they aren't.
The point is that I don't think we should be exploring puberty in TWD. She did spend 16 months alone with Christa who was pregnant. I have a hard time believing that she never asked about these things and that Christa never explained it to her (even if Christa resented her for what happened to Omid, I don't think she would be like no way im telling you about this stuff).
I probably offended you with the false comparison and for that I apologize.
How can you compare boners and periods? You can't imagine what we go through with menstruation, painful cramps, nausea, anemia, fever, chest… more pain, insomnia and I could go on with the symptoms, stress and sport activities make things worse.
Sure, every woman have to go through that, but Clem has been alone for a while, you can't just expect her to understand all those heavy changes just because she's a girl.
Sorry too, I'm a little on edge, I got my period today =_='
She was still pregnant when Omid died, so no real reason to talk about it.
At the start of season 2 I remember clearly Clem saying to Christa "Please, talk to me" then Christa brushing her off talking about how she needs to learn to tend a fire etc. So I don't really think there was room to talk about those things at that time.
Clem's age is determinant too, she was like 11 years old?
And to be honnest, I never asked or cared about periods until it happened.
Why not exploring puberty? It's normal. We first met Clem as a 8 years old child, then skiped to 11, now that she's 14 people are complaining that the time skip was too great, can you imagine a time skip to an 18 or 20 years old Clem?
Puberty is an inevitable passage to adulthood, and probably the most important because it's the first biggest step someone has to do in their life. ( I said "first" step, not only step...just in case)
I'm not really comparing them. It was more of an ignorant stupid joke so I don't want you thinking that they are "one in the same" because … moreI know they aren't.
The point is that I don't think we should be exploring puberty in TWD. She did spend 16 months alone with Christa who was pregnant. I have a hard time believing that she never asked about these things and that Christa never explained it to her (even if Christa resented her for what happened to Omid, I don't think she would be like no way im telling you about this stuff).
I probably offended you with the false comparison and for that I apologize.
I don't really have an issue with the idea of exploring puberty. I sort of expressed that in the wrong way.
I just think they wasted 10 min of an episode on something that was never mentioned again and had no connection with a future story event. Like imagine if during a walker fight she started to experience certain symptoms that you listed after that conversation and we had to save her because of it (because of the stress and physical activity making things worse)? Maybe it would have added something to the story because w/o that conversation you have no clue why she'd be in pain, right?
Why didn't we hand her say a bag of tampons at the end before she leaves on her road trip to find AJ as a callback?
These are the things that sort of make me question why they included it.
Here's an example that I can think of where they don't explore that/do when it matters to the story. Arya Stark is most definitely at that age/passed that age when she would have had her menarche, right? I mean she is 17 in season 7 (maise williams is actually 20 years old) and we've NEVER talked about Arya stark going through that change. We glossed over it with Sansa because it added to the story and meant that Joffrey could have children with her now and that was a pretty big subplot in season one/two.
Sorry too, I'm a little on edge, I got my period today =_='
She was still pregnant when Omid died, so no real reason to talk about it.
At… more the start of season 2 I remember clearly Clem saying to Christa "Please, talk to me" then Christa brushing her off talking about how she needs to learn to tend a fire etc. So I don't really think there was room to talk about those things at that time.
Clem's age is determinant too, she was like 11 years old?
And to be honnest, I never asked or cared about periods until it happened.
Why not exploring puberty? It's normal. We first met Clem as a 8 years old child, then skiped to 11, now that she's 14 people are complaining that the time skip was too great, can you imagine a time skip to an 18 or 20 years old Clem?
Puberty is an inevitable passage to adulthood, and probably the most important because it's the first biggest step someone has to do in their life. ( I said "first" step, not only step...just in case)
Do we want to keep making Clem look weak, always depend on others to save her?
In that scene, Javi can also find some pads and give them to her, he tells Clem it will help her handle it...
The point there, was more to develop what she's lacking, knowledge, friendship etc.
But there's another side to it...much more powerful for whoever wants to see it
Javi simply talked to Clem like a father would to his daughter. He reassured her ...
But no ones cares?!! That's sad....
I don't really have an issue with the idea of exploring puberty. I sort of expressed that in the wrong way.
I just think they wasted 10 … moremin of an episode on something that was never mentioned again and had no connection with a future story event. Like imagine if during a walker fight she started to experience certain symptoms that you listed after that conversation and we had to save her because of it (because of the stress and physical activity making things worse)? Maybe it would have added something to the story because w/o that conversation you have no clue why she'd be in pain, right?
Why didn't we hand her say a bag of tampons at the end before she leaves on her road trip to find AJ as a callback?
These are the things that sort of make me question why they included it.
Here's an example that I can think of where they don't explore that/do when it matters to the story. Arya Stark is most definitely at that age/passed that… [view original content]
Did you even READ my post or did you read like the half of the first paragraph and say fuck it ill reply now. "Save her?! CLEM NEEDS SAVING? AHHH"
You really didn't acknowledge my part about Arya/Sansa?
Like you said, he gave her pads in that scene, not at the end when she's leaving for quite a while presumably.
"Do we want to keep making Clem look weak?" NUMBER ONE, she doesn't always depend on people to save her but that doesn't mean she NEVER can....In fact I cant even think of any situations off the top of my head other then the bullets jamming in Ep1 where you were the thing between Clem and death this season
NUMBER TWO: Seriously when the fuck did I say that!!!??? But since you bring it up...Yes Clem is physically weak compared to Javi (not mentally). So yeah I could totally see her "father figure" (in your eyes) having to save her from a bunch of walkers instead of Clementine single handily taking care of 15 walkers to save Gabe (youre totally ok with gabe being a weak little shit tho right?). It's not a question of looking weak, its a question of being realistic. She's a little girl, not Ronda Roussey.
I'll say this though, Clementine is a better survivor then Javier in the sense that she's a better strategist when she's on the road and how to deal with certain situations. Javier is the stronger and more physically capable character. If you deny that, then fine live in a world where a little girl is stronger then a professional athlete.
"But no one cares?" Again, not sure where I said this. What's sad is how you are interpreting my last post. I was simply saying there were other things they could have focused on or they could have made that a subplot of the season rather then just throwing it out there for literally 5 minutes.
Do we want to keep making Clem look weak, always depend on others to save her?
In that scene, Javi can also find some pads and give them to… more her, he tells Clem it will help her handle it...
The point there, was more to develop what she's lacking, knowledge, friendship etc.
But there's another side to it...much more powerful for whoever wants to see it
Javi simply talked to Clem like a father would to his daughter. He reassured her ...
But no ones cares?!! That's sad....
Well like I Said it makes sense it would be awkward, I mean Javi had 1 brother so he grew up with more men that women around, it wouldn't be something he's used to dealing with
so don't say it's out of nowhere, because it shows clearly depending on how you played Javi.
Let's look at it like this: Clem holds Javier hostage, they go to Prescott, he helps her with whatever that ammo dealer's name was and suddenly, they're friends. There's no actual emotional connection or interactions that create it, they're just friends because the plot demands it and because Telltale need an excuse to throw Clementine into a story she's not needed.
Maybe I should have detailed a little more my point.
What I meant to say earlier was that Clem has no awareness about many things, includi… moreng what you can talk or not to someone (male/female)
The trust she has in you will develop from the start depending on your choices, if you shot Rufus or not, if you kill the walker that attacks Clem at the gate in Prescott, if you cover for her when she kills the guy in the bar and I could go on until episode 4.
There was many occasions until then to show and say, that you trust and see Clem as your friend and savior, you also saved her ass 3 times. You can also count the times you tell people she's your friend.
1 - at the gate in Prescott
2 - when you cover for her when she kills the guy
3 - if you stay behind in the junkyard
4 - if she is with you at the gate in Richmond and you answer to Max that she's your friend etc.
5 - when you're thrown out of Richmond and Clem explain why we can't trust… [view original content]
Yeah, at least then it would actually have some sort of purpose other than the scene just telling us the very obviously important information that periods exist, and that they happen, and that Clementine's female...
I already typed this dumb idea 2 times already, but the heck with it;
It would've been better if she gotten her period in a middle of a herd because I see it no other way being used as a character, nor for plot development.
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It's almost like TT couldn't figure out any other idea of how to write a scene with Javi and Clem which doesn't involve murdering, running around or escaping zombos. This just shows how bad this season was in terms of (everything) character bonding and how it miserably failed to add peaceful, calmer moments to the story.
I don't think it was a wrong move to make Clem ask Javi about something so personal...but I also wished there was more peaceful moments like you said, to make them share more.
The first time it was scary. I was younger than everyone expected and I had no clue what it was. For Clem, it's possible that it's something she and Christa talked about, which honestly makes sense. She was probably scared the first time, but from what I could tell when we are talking about it with her it's not the first time...
You're probably right, that's why it sounded so casual to me. I really didn't think Christa talked about it with her, since she was very young when Omid died and barely talked to Clem after that.
I'm glad they at least tried to bring up a serious topic like that. It was a little half-assed, but I'm glad it was in it.
Now if only they added scenes where characters actually needed to eat, sleep or poop like normal people, they might feel less like programmed models in a game.
I dunno, why do you have such a huge focus on random background chicks with shades?
It was an entirely pointless scene and was just another shit attempt of Telltale forcing a relationship between bland Javier and edgy Clementine, whilst still contributing absolutely nothing to the already shambles that was the apparent plot.
Oh, and what's with the obsession with this scene? And Clementine and periods, in general? There's already been multiple threads on this topic...Why the need to constantly repeat them?
Because, for the 3rd time, there was seemingly more effort and thought put into her design and usage in her debut episode than you'd expect. Especially when compared to other background and/or mook character models.
just another word that special snowflakes use. these so called "cis" people oppress them apparently.
...K?
It wasn't pointless, if you realised that even in today's society, for many of us it's kind of taboo talking about periods, even more with men.
That scene clearly shows that Clem wasn't raised in our society, she's simply sharing her lack of knowledge with someone she trust.
It might even explain why she's so edgy
Did it contribute to the story? Did it contribute to Clementine or Javier's characters? No, it did not. It was largely pointless. As well as being unrealistic, as I find it highly illogical to think that Clementine would open up to Javier, someone she hardly knows, about such a personal thing. But then again, their entire supposed "friendship" is illogical, since we never get any sort of emotional weight to it, nor reasons for it's existence. The plot simply demands it and I'm just expected to care about it because of that, despite the clear flaws. Had their relationship been actually developed, like most competent writers would do, the scene could've worked as it would be establishing further the trust Clem has in Javier, but none of that happens. So, ultimately, it feels forced.
And on the subject of it being an apparent taboo in real life, I'd like to remind you that The Walking Dead is a game series about surviving in a fictitious apocalypse, often times to see the extents that characters can and will go to maintain their survival, whether they can hold onto their humanity or lose it in the process, and the difficult choices that come with that. Oh, and of course seeing zombies getting their brains crushed in for entertainment purposes. It's not meant to be a social commentary, trying to break society's taboos or some shit, it's meant to give us a glimpse into what the world could be like in that situation, story wise, and the tension/fun it can provide as a video game. There's no place for crap like this in a game, unless it actually makes developments in either the plot or the characters.
I liked it, it was handled well....I mean Clem knew what a period was, but let's face it everyone women knows you're never truly prepared for it when it comes, it's a shock even if you have all the details. Javi being uncomfortable about it was hilarious and made sense, but he also suggested she talk to Kate which was a great piece of advice since he obviously couldn't help.
Overall it was a good scene.
I don't know which reply you choose but my Javi was pretty great to explain her
I can't remember which choice I chose but it was awkward as hell (for him lol)
LoL !
Maybe I should have detailed a little more my point.
What I meant to say earlier was that Clem has no awareness about many things, including what you can talk or not to someone (male/female)
The trust she has in you will develop from the start depending on your choices, if you shot Rufus or not, if you kill the walker that attacks Clem at the gate in Prescott, if you cover for her when she kills the guy in the bar and I could go on until episode 4.
There was many occasions until then to show and say, that you trust and see Clem as your friend and savior, you also saved her ass 3 times. You can also count the times you tell people she's your friend.
1 - at the gate in Prescott
2 - when you cover for her when she kills the guy
3 - if you stay behind in the junkyard
4 - if she is with you at the gate in Richmond and you answer to Max that she's your friend etc.
5 - when you're thrown out of Richmond and Clem explain why we can't trust David, if you hug her, she will remember.
so don't say it's out of nowhere, because it shows clearly depending on how you played Javi.
But don't get me wrong, I also wish this season was longer. And sure it felt rushed from episode 1 to 5
I already typed this dumb idea 2 times already, but the heck with it;
It would've been better if she gotten her period in a middle of a herd because I see it no other way being used as a character, nor for plot development.
I didn't cover her in my second game , I wasn't sure if that get her trust Javi more or less
The both could have been possible so I just tried another choice than my first
not, if you tell her that you put your own ass on the line for her
I agree with you here, using it in episode 5, it would have made more impact since Javi knows about her periods.
when you are at the water tower and Clem says, that you weren't nice to use her as hostage, to make you go down and switch on the generator.
It would have been better to make Javi say to Clem - I guess I have to go, since you can't ...you know...
or something along those lines.
Even when you try to explain properly it looks very awkward....
Maybe because I am a guy, I thought to the Javi reply : well, I did less worst than I could have !
XD
I could have done worst !
XD
Oh, yeah, scaping zombos is a very imporant part in the Zombo Apocalopse! XD XD
well, same for me, no other options anyway
Personally I think it was the stupidest thing in the entire world to include as a portion of the game. Like no shit she's going to go through that and whatever, every woman does.
Whats next? Are we going to explore how Carl gets his first fucking boner in the television show? OMG WHATS HAPPENING DAD?!?!?
Not to be taken seriously
How can you compare boners and periods? You can't imagine what we go through with menstruation, painful cramps, nausea, anemia, fever, chest pain, insomnia and I could go on with the symptoms, stress and sport activities make things worse.
Sure, every woman have to go through that, but Clem has been alone for a while, you can't just expect her to understand all those heavy changes just because she's a girl.
... what?
No. I meant since zombies love blood for some reason, it would've been hilarious if they try and sneak around a herd, and get spotted because of Clem's period.
Remember Sarita?
I'm not really comparing them. It was more of an ignorant stupid joke so I don't want you thinking that they are "one in the same" because I know they aren't.
The point is that I don't think we should be exploring puberty in TWD. She did spend 16 months alone with Christa who was pregnant. I have a hard time believing that she never asked about these things and that Christa never explained it to her (even if Christa resented her for what happened to Omid, I don't think she would be like no way im telling you about this stuff).
I probably offended you with the false comparison and for that I apologize.
Offtopic, but wasn't there some people who mentioned having a scene like this in Season 2?
Sorry too, I'm a little on edge, I got my period today =_='
She was still pregnant when Omid died, so no real reason to talk about it.
At the start of season 2 I remember clearly Clem saying to Christa "Please, talk to me" then Christa brushing her off talking about how she needs to learn to tend a fire etc. So I don't really think there was room to talk about those things at that time.
Clem's age is determinant too, she was like 11 years old?
And to be honnest, I never asked or cared about periods until it happened.
Why not exploring puberty? It's normal. We first met Clem as a 8 years old child, then skiped to 11, now that she's 14 people are complaining that the time skip was too great, can you imagine a time skip to an 18 or 20 years old Clem?
Puberty is an inevitable passage to adulthood, and probably the most important because it's the first biggest step someone has to do in their life. ( I said "first" step, not only step...just in case)
I don't really have an issue with the idea of exploring puberty. I sort of expressed that in the wrong way.
I just think they wasted 10 min of an episode on something that was never mentioned again and had no connection with a future story event. Like imagine if during a walker fight she started to experience certain symptoms that you listed after that conversation and we had to save her because of it (because of the stress and physical activity making things worse)? Maybe it would have added something to the story because w/o that conversation you have no clue why she'd be in pain, right?
Why didn't we hand her say a bag of tampons at the end before she leaves on her road trip to find AJ as a callback?
These are the things that sort of make me question why they included it.
Here's an example that I can think of where they don't explore that/do when it matters to the story. Arya Stark is most definitely at that age/passed that age when she would have had her menarche, right? I mean she is 17 in season 7 (maise williams is actually 20 years old) and we've NEVER talked about Arya stark going through that change. We glossed over it with Sansa because it added to the story and meant that Joffrey could have children with her now and that was a pretty big subplot in season one/two.
Do we want to keep making Clem look weak, always depend on others to save her?
That's sad....
In that scene, Javi can also find some pads and give them to her, he tells Clem it will help her handle it...
The point there, was more to develop what she's lacking, knowledge, friendship etc.
But there's another side to it...much more powerful for whoever wants to see it
Javi simply talked to Clem like a father would to his daughter. He reassured her ...
But no ones cares?!!
Did you even READ my post or did you read like the half of the first paragraph and say fuck it ill reply now. "Save her?! CLEM NEEDS SAVING? AHHH"
You really didn't acknowledge my part about Arya/Sansa?
Like you said, he gave her pads in that scene, not at the end when she's leaving for quite a while presumably.
"Do we want to keep making Clem look weak?" NUMBER ONE, she doesn't always depend on people to save her but that doesn't mean she NEVER can....In fact I cant even think of any situations off the top of my head other then the bullets jamming in Ep1 where you were the thing between Clem and death this season
NUMBER TWO: Seriously when the fuck did I say that!!!??? But since you bring it up...Yes Clem is physically weak compared to Javi (not mentally). So yeah I could totally see her "father figure" (in your eyes) having to save her from a bunch of walkers instead of Clementine single handily taking care of 15 walkers to save Gabe (youre totally ok with gabe being a weak little shit tho right?). It's not a question of looking weak, its a question of being realistic. She's a little girl, not Ronda Roussey.
I'll say this though, Clementine is a better survivor then Javier in the sense that she's a better strategist when she's on the road and how to deal with certain situations. Javier is the stronger and more physically capable character. If you deny that, then fine live in a world where a little girl is stronger then a professional athlete.
"But no one cares?" Again, not sure where I said this. What's sad is how you are interpreting my last post. I was simply saying there were other things they could have focused on or they could have made that a subplot of the season rather then just throwing it out there for literally 5 minutes.
Well like I Said it makes sense it would be awkward, I mean Javi had 1 brother so he grew up with more men that women around, it wouldn't be something he's used to dealing with
Let's look at it like this: Clem holds Javier hostage, they go to Prescott, he helps her with whatever that ammo dealer's name was and suddenly, they're friends. There's no actual emotional connection or interactions that create it, they're just friends because the plot demands it and because Telltale need an excuse to throw Clementine into a story she's not needed.
Yeah, at least then it would actually have some sort of purpose other than the scene just telling us the very obviously important information that periods exist, and that they happen, and that Clementine's female...