Sexual Assault in the TWD world
Not much or any of it has been shown which i found very strange. I mean one of the things they would go for after food water is sex.
When javier was separated the first thing i thought was that Katie and Marnie were going to be raped. After finding them that turned out not to be the case which is super lame / unrealistic. Going forward do you think Clementine will face the danger of sexual assault? I mean shes technically a woman now. Maybe fighting off a rape attempt using QTE. What do you guys think?
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Bad for the men trying do that to her
I think if the world is already fucked, it only brings up the fucked up thinking of people. I think I most of us would enjoy blowing up the brains of those who do this kind of stuff especially on Clem(maybe we will even hate the guy more than arvo) buuutt there is no other reasons I could think of as to why Telltale would put this other than to have a social commentary on rape and sexual assault.
world building, realism
I'd feel sorry for the person who would try to do that... If you've seen the comic books they don't take lightly to rapists and sex offenders.
Absolutely not. Rape and Telltale games need to stay away from each other. You brought up the argument of 'world building, realism', but Telltale seem to have no clue what either of those words mean - a half glance at New Frontier reveals that. Telltale haven't proven they can handle such a sensitive issue, either. It'd be like handing a little kid a fully loaded top of the line assault rifle after they've shot a half empty bargain bin water pistol a couple of times - sure, they know the very crude idea on paper, but they have no idea what things do what or what the hell they're doing, and people will likely end up very hurt/offended.
I'd prefer they wrote a solid plot, or even just a plot in general, before writing rape scenes for the purpose of shock, especially if it's just another QTE. The nearly rape scene in TLOU was really good because it was built up to and earned, and done in a way that didn't make me want to fetch up my dinner from my stomach. There was a real sense of weight to it, but it wasn't just "ooooooo look she nearly got raped!", it was a defining character moment which carried a tonal shift for the game.
I can't see Telltale doing that. It'd just be so tasteless. Especially if it was a stupid QTE, where you mash the same button as a man's undoing his fly or something, maybe charging up a kick to the balls or ... I dunno. I also completely and utterly defy, almost revile, the idea that a lack of sexual assault is 'super lame', as you put it. I do actually praise Telltale - admittedly, through gritted teeth and with forced smile - for not stooping that low for shock value. Yet.
So yea, no, keep rape and sexual assault away from Telltale games, please, and especially away from a girl we first met when she was eight.
EDIT - Don't get me wrong, I can see it being an issue. It's heavily alluded to that Jane was harassed by Troy, back at Howe's, and that's why she shot him in the groin. But I just can't see it done tastefully. If it was done carefully, with proper buildup and careful writing, I could see it. But if it's just gonna be she gets kidnapped, and we have to murder her potential rapist, I'd rather Telltale just didn't bother and tried to make me feel something other than bored, for the next season.
DUde I for one don't want to play a game where I am being raped or raping someone. SExual assaulters are a fraction of our population, a small one thankfully. So in the apocalypse they would still exist but there would be less of them. I believe that now, in civilization, most brothers, fathers, husbands boyfriends and males in general would kill someone that raped a woman that is part of their group. So I think that rape would be even more unacceptable. Barring that rape is loud and would draw walkers, probable killing both.
when the apocalypse hits all men become rapists. trust me.
YOu aren't much of a man then. Or are a sexist.
there are studies shown that even good men turn into monsters when put in a lawless situation. its human nature. has nothing to do with being a sexist.
Those studies are actually about college kids not adults. So all women would become rapists also? If its human nature then rape wouldn't exist.
So they are not good men.
My hero!
I'm sure that would happen to a lot of good people, and it's been shown in twd that people often turn into monsters who were once good. But saying that all men are rapists once laws are taken away is ludicrous. Laws aren't the only thing people abide to.
it is always "fun" when people bring the words "there are studies"
cite checkable source or it is useless
Right. Laws coincide with how we feel as a society towards an issue. They aren't a fence that traps us.
women can't rape. they dont have penises. only a penis can rape. women can however sexually molest someone but its extremely rare. women are also incapable of overpowering a man whereas for a man its extremely easy.
in a post apocalyptic world. men would be raping women just like they did during the stoneage. infact it would become the norm.
Your mind is totally fucked
Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent.
Today, the fruits of that research were published in another peer-reviewed paper, “Sexual Victimization Perpetrated by Women: Federal Data Reveal Surprising Prevalence.” Co-authored with Andrew Flores and Ilan Meyer, it appears in Aggression and Violent Behavior. Once again, federal survey data challenged conventional wisdom.
“These surveys have reached many tens of thousands of people, and each has shown internally consistent results over time,” the authors note. “We therefore believe that this article provides more definitive estimates about the prevalence of female sexual perpetration than has been provided in the literature to date. Taken as a whole, the reports we examine document surprisingly significant prevalence of female-perpetrated sexual victimization, mostly against men and occasionally against women.”
Those conclusions are grounded in striking numbers.
The authors first present what they learned from the The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, an ongoing, nationally representative survey conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that measures both lifetime victimization and victimization within the 12 months prior to questioning. Only the 2010 report provides data on the perpetrator’s sex. It found that over their lifetime, women were vastly more likely to experience abuse perpetrated by men, as were male victims who were penetrated without their consent. “But among men reporting other forms of sexual victimization, 68.6% reported female perpetrators,” the paper reports, while among men reporting being made to penetrate, “the form of nonconsensual sex that men are much more likely to experience in their lifetime ... 79.2% of victimized men reported female perpetrators.”
I don't know how to do links but found these on wikipedia.
...why are we discussing this?
by British law "Rape" is when a woman is violated with a penis. everything else is considered sexual assault/molestation.
point is not the debate the semantics of the word rape but to understand that men rape women for the most part not the other way around.
So in Britain a gay man can't be raped?
So in Britain a gay man can't be raped?
he can. with a penis. u need a penis to be inserted to be called rape.
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What is SJW? and you said all men would start raping in the apocalypse. Did you expect everyone to agree with that?
Come on... Negan wouldn't even let that happen to Sasha remember? He just killed off the dude that's trying to rape her
Even a villain knows the law a little bit
If Telltale had decent writing, I wouldn't be against it. But since they don't have decent writing, I'm against it.
Today, there aren't decent telltale writing.. so just please stop this rapenation once and for all
Oh, it's this old hat again. Boy, this community loves this concept, doesn't it?
That would likely require them to model dicks and pussies on their characters, which I kinda doubt is the case. Unless you wanna go straight Hot Coffee up in this mug.
But no, that wouldn't have happened anyway, thank goodness. It's implied that they never found them, likely because Lonnie was originally supposed to be dead, and Badger double-backed with his personal crew to perform a sting operation in the morning.
Rewrites aside, the New Frontier were established as being these very lawful thugs with dedicated rules and codes of conduct about them, which rape would definitely go against. Only Badger, Roxanne, that other bearded asshole with the shades, and the rest of his personal crew could've potentially done that since they were explicitly maverick and it is for that exact reason why they probably wouldn't have done so either.
Probably, though I still can't say I'd care for anything in that regard.
Social Justice Warrior.
Once I saw the only men can rape bullshit, I'm done with this thread
Thread hasn't and doesn't seem like it will be going anywhere productive.