I remember hearing that 400 Days were supposed to have a "big impact" on ANF. Can I get a source on this as well as any other notable lies/non-delivered content?
People liked Omid because of his personality, jokes and wisecracks, but javier is nearly the exact same but is slightly more badass and can take care of himself more so why do more people like Omid than they do javier? They should have the same number of fans at least.
Because they're salty about him being the PC instead of Clementine and/or not a character from Season 1. There's also a prominence vs. definition thing to take into account there.
People liked Omid because of his personality, jokes and wisecracks, but javier is nearly the exact same but is slightly more badass and can … moretake care of himself more so why do more people like Omid than they do javier? They should have the same number of fans at least.
But clem wasn't the pc in season 1, it doesn't make sense. And people also complained about season 2 and clem was the pc in that so I'm not sure if it really has anything to do with that unless people changed their minds. (Ik I kinda shifted this question into a why do people complain about season 3 but there seems to be some kind of connection here)
Because they're salty about him being the PC instead of Clementine and/or not a character from Season 1. There's also a prominence vs. definition thing to take into account there.
To be honest, now that you've pointed it out, they are similar characters on paper. Brenda and Mary both practice cannibalism and both have two sons - Andrew and Danny, Alex and Gareth - who do as well.
Chuck=Hershel
Depends on which Hershel. TV Hershel is pretty much the source of wisdom and balance in the group, and he often gives the characters advice and whatnot, so I suppose he's similar to Chuck in a way that he has life experience and gives useful advice to the characters. But comic Hershel is a whole other thing. He's very religious, occasionally has outbursts, and is a much more flawed man than his TV counterpart.
Molly/Jane=Michonne
Besides being female badasses with pasts that haunt them, I don't think so.
Nate=Negan
Even though Nate does have a sense of humor that's occasionally similar to Negan's, I'd say no. Negan is smart enough to lead an enormous group in the apocalypse, however I don't think that Nate would be capable to lead a group that's too big - or most importantly, his unstable behavior would probably make it fall apart rather quickly. Not to mention that Negan appears to only do bad things when he has to - whereas Nate sometimes seems to do it even when it unnecessary. Even though we haven't seen enough of Nate to determine, I think Negan is just slightly a better person than Nate.
Season2!Kenny/David=Shane
Tricky one. I'll start by saying that both Kenny and Shane have something in common - they both feel the need to do what's "necessary" in the worst possible situations, and this leads them to do rash things that get them on the bad side of people. I do think, however, that Kenny is slightly less impulsive than Shane, and Kenny would never try to directly kill someone who's on his side, even if he disagrees with them. However I do think that they're still more different than similar - Shane goes nuts because he doesn't have anything to live for and tries to find purpose in keeping Lori and Carl safe, whereas Kenny kept on keeping on without Katjaa and Duck without snapping - like Shane did when he realized he had to get rid of Rick so he wouldn't lose Lori and Carl.
David is a bit more similar to Shane, I suppose. Only he's in the "Rick" position of his love triangle, meaning he's the one who's determinantly being cucked. Yeah, I do think they're similar, in the way that they're both seasoned survivors and violence and conflict is the only thing they understand.
Carver=The Governor
The Governor is a much sicker individual than Carver. Even though Carver was somewhat badly written, and thus I don't feel as compelled to draw a comparison, it's worth acknowledging that Carver tried to reintegrate the cabin group into his community, and only killed Walter - and possibly Alvin - because Kenny kills one of his man, and determinantly almost kills him. If the Governor were in that situation, he would've either killed the cabin group, fed them to the walkers, and possibly have his way with Rebecca or Sarita.
Mike=T-Dog
There is only one true dog, man. My boi Theodore never would've betrayed the group, no matter how bad things got.
Kate=Lori/Andrea
Heh, I feel like Eleanor is closer to Andrea than Kate. Eleanor is a worthless female character who is only there to fuck things up, and is the character I hate the most in the franchise.
Alright, now that I've let out my Eleanor hate, I can see the similarity, but I'd still say they're quite different. Besides being one of the angles in a love triangle, there's little similar between them. Kate adds something to the story, has a purpose there, and actually does something. Lori just...lingers around, does stupid shit, and keeps forgetting to look after Carl and making sure he stays in the house.
Tripp=Sergeant Abraham
Truth be told, we didn't even know that much about Tripp, but I suppose he's sort of similar to Abraham. They're both bulky guys with amazing facial hair, have a rather complicated romantic life, and they say comical shit that makes us laugh.
As someone with relatively bare knowledge of the comic/TV show, are these comparisons fairly accurate?
Brenda=Mary
Chuck=Hershel
Molly/… moreJane=Michonne
Nate=Negan
Season2!Kenny/David=Shane
Carver=The Governor
Troy=Daryl
Mike=T-Dog
Kate=Lori/Andrea
Gabe=Carl/Ron
Tripp=Sergeant Abraham
If you asked me, it's because Omid came at a time when the game felt very dark. Duck and Katjaa were dead, Kenny was still grieving, Ben had dropped a massive bombshell on Lee, and then there was everything that had happened with Hershel, Shawn, the St. Johns, Mark, Lilly and Larry. The season was downright depressing (in a good way) and stakes felt truly high, as more and more characters we cared about were being hurt, so for a more comedic and lighthearted character to emerge automatically made quite a few people to like Omid. He was a little hope just when they needed it.
The reason Javier didn't gain as much of a fan base as Omid did is because ANF doesn't have very high stakes. Marianna died and they even showed her brutal death, and yet it left nowhere near as much of the impact that Duck's death did. Why? Because the game didn't develop their characters. It didn't develop their role in Javier's life or anyone else's. Characters die, but because there's no development behind their creation, there's no impact, no stakes, and no atmosphere. It results in little more than cheap shock value, something the original game didn't have to rely on to create tension. So when Javier's making lighthearted jokes, it doesn't have the same role, and dare I say it, importance, that Omid's did because the original game had an atmosphere, wasn't hollow and actually ensured that those jokes had a purpose.
But hey, I don't particularly care for either character. In fact, I despise Omid. I'm only theorising here, really. Maybe it's as simple as Javier just being bland, or people just thinking Omid was funnier.
People liked Omid because of his personality, jokes and wisecracks, but javier is nearly the exact same but is slightly more badass and can … moretake care of himself more so why do more people like Omid than they do javier? They should have the same number of fans at least.
I think that may have been better. The Crooked Man was a creepy but interesting and complex character. Plus his entire personality would have been changed
Gabe=Carl/Ron
Current TV and comic Carl is 10x better than Gabe. Gabe is more like S2 Carl/Ron.
Troy=Daryl
I see why you may think that, but Troy is more psychotic and evil than Daryl. I'd say Troy=Simon.
Keep in mind that Clementine was "THE GREATEST CHILD IN VIDEO GAME HISTORY!" since her introduction as a main character in Lee's story(which ended with him passing the torch to her) and that Javier came in as a playable character alongside her(and that was downgraded to having her only being playable in 5 minute flashbacks). I think that says enough.
But clem wasn't the pc in season 1, it doesn't make sense. And people also complained about season 2 and clem was the pc in that so I'm not … moresure if it really has anything to do with that unless people changed their minds. (Ik I kinda shifted this question into a why do people complain about season 3 but there seems to be some kind of connection here)
Keep in mind that Clementine was "THE GREATEST CHILD IN VIDEO GAME HISTORY!" since her introduction as a main character in Lee's story(which… more ended with him passing the torch to her) and that Javier came in as a playable character alongside her(and that was downgraded to having her only being playable in 5 minute flashbacks). I think that says enough.
If you asked me, it's because Omid came at a time when the game felt very dark. Duck and Katjaa were dead, Kenny was still grieving, Ben had… more dropped a massive bombshell on Lee, and then there was everything that had happened with Hershel, Shawn, the St. Johns, Mark, Lilly and Larry. The season was downright depressing (in a good way) and stakes felt truly high, as more and more characters we cared about were being hurt, so for a more comedic and lighthearted character to emerge automatically made quite a few people to like Omid. He was a little hope just when they needed it.
The reason Javier didn't gain as much of a fan base as Omid did is because ANF doesn't have very high stakes. Marianna died and they even showed her brutal death, and yet it left nowhere near as much of the impact that Duck's death did. Why? Because the game didn't develop their characters. It didn't develop their role in Javier's life or anyone else's. Characters die,… [view original content]
That's pretty stupid, if you ask me javier is the perfect protagonist. You can have him be a complete asshole, a junkie, a loving guy, a funny guy, + he's multi cultural. You can only have clementine be edgy or kind and that's about it.
Depends on which Hershel. comic Hershel is a whole other thing. He's very religious, occasionally has outbursts, and is a much more flawed man than his TV counterpart.
Huh. I didn't know that.
Even though we haven't seen enough of Nate to determine, I think Negan is just slightly a better person than Nate.
Interesting, though that still not saying much.
I do think, however, that Kenny is slightly less impulsive than Shane, and Kenny would never try to directly kill someone who's on his side, even if he disagrees with them.
Really now? Oh goody, something to totally look forward to when I ever get to watching it.
Then again, you did confirm that David is very similar, so I guess it makes perfect sense.
However I do think that they're still more different than similar - Shane goes nuts because he doesn't have anything to live for and tries to find purpose in keeping Lori and Carl safe, whereas Kenny kept on keeping on without Katjaa and Duck without snapping - like Shane did when he realized he had to get rid of Rick so he wouldn't lose Lori and Carl.
Noticed you're ignoring Season 2 there, where Kenny flat out mentions being better off dead several times and was clinging to AJ and the Wellington plan to the point of abusing Arvo and getting into arguments/fights with Luke/Jane.
K.
The Governor is a much sicker individual than Carver. Even though Carver was somewhat badly written, and thus I don't feel as compelled to draw a comparison, it's worth acknowledging that Carver tried to reintegrate the cabin group into his community, and only killed Walter - and possibly Alvin - because Kenny kills one of his man, and determinantly almost kills him. If the Governor were in that situation, he would've either killed the cabin group, fed them to the walkers, and possibly have his way with Rebecca or Sarita.
...Really? Cause the whole reason Carver came after them was because he'd already gotten Rebecca pregnant, so I assume that means the Governor is even pettier.
I also assume you mean the comic Governor, since the TV Show version is apparently a fairly different character.
Heh, I feel like Eleanor is closer to Andrea than Kate. Eleanor is a worthless female character who is only there to fuck things up, and is the character I hate the most in the franchise.
Eleanor is a medic who offers to free Javier and Clementine from the pin in order to help save his family overnight, fixed up Kate when Badger shot her, and provided a place for the group to hide out(even if Joan should've logically had that place searched since she knew Javier had escape, but that's whole other can of worms). And her going to Joan(who she apparently neglected to mention Javier was gonna kill, btw) was an attempt to prevent a riot/shootout from breaking out and had nothing to do with Tripp and Ava getting captured(as she herself was surprised by that revelation).
Brenda=Mary
To be honest, now that you've pointed it out, they are similar characters on paper. Brenda and Mary both practice cannib… morealism and both have two sons - Andrew and Danny, Alex and Gareth - who do as well.
Chuck=Hershel
Depends on which Hershel. TV Hershel is pretty much the source of wisdom and balance in the group, and he often gives the characters advice and whatnot, so I suppose he's similar to Chuck in a way that he has life experience and gives useful advice to the characters. But comic Hershel is a whole other thing. He's very religious, occasionally has outbursts, and is a much more flawed man than his TV counterpart.
Molly/Jane=Michonne
Besides being female badasses with pasts that haunt them, I don't think so.
Nate=Negan
Even though Nate does have a sense of humor that's occasionally similar to Negan's, I'd say no. Negan is smart enough to lead an enormous group in the apoca… [view original content]
You can only have clementine be edgy or kind and that's about it.
I agree with this part in particular, though it is worth noting that(as far as I'm inclined to comment) Javier isn't particularly interesting and, as you note in the previous sentence, there's a chance that one characterization can clash too much with the other. Which is part of why I don't really like Edgy!Clem.
Another issue is that Clementine is an established character who started out as a defined NPC who underwent character development and whose personal life we know a fair amount about, while Javier is a new character thrust into the leading role with minimal personal backstory and who's characterization, for better or worse, is largely based upon somewhat defined dynamics with his family members. There was a clear template to go off of with Clementine, while Javier is personally based on vague references that are largely informed traits.
Going back to the Omid comparison for a second, keep in mind that Javier is the main protagonist with a lot of screentime and some variety of behavior, while Omid is a relatively minor character who primarily functions as comic relief. So there's a quality vs. quantity thing going there as well.
That's pretty stupid, if you ask me javier is the perfect protagonist. You can have him be a complete asshole, a junkie, a loving guy, a funny guy, + he's multi cultural. You can only have clementine be edgy or kind and that's about it.
Eleanor is a medic who offers to free Javier and Clementine from the pin in order to help save his family overnight, fixed up Kate when Badger shot her, and provided a place for the group to hide out(even if Joan should've logically had that place searched since she knew Javier had escape, but that's whole other can of worms). And her going to Joan(who she apparently neglected to mention Javier was gonna kill, btw) was an attempt to prevent a riot/shootout from breaking out and had nothing to do with Tripp and Ava getting captured(as she herself was surprised by that revelation).
Depends on which Hershel. comic Hershel is a whole other thing. He's very religious, occasionally has outbursts, and is a much more flawed m… morean than his TV counterpart.
Huh. I didn't know that.
Even though we haven't seen enough of Nate to determine, I think Negan is just slightly a better person than Nate.
Interesting, though that still not saying much.
I do think, however, that Kenny is slightly less impulsive than Shane, and Kenny would never try to directly kill someone who's on his side, even if he disagrees with them.
Really now? Oh goody, something to totally look forward to when I ever get to watching it.
Then again, you did confirm that David is very similar, so I guess it makes perfect sense.
However I do think that they're still more different than similar - Shane goes nuts because he doesn't have anything to live for and tries to find purpose in keeping Lori and Carl safe, whereas Kenny ke… [view original content]
All the more reason to have javier playable at the beginning of each episode for a few minutes, changing the way he acts at the end of the game, just like I've suggested on multiple PS4 communities, here, and a few friends.
You can only have clementine be edgy or kind and that's about it.
I agree with this part in particular, though it is worth noting th… moreat(as far as I'm inclined to comment) Javier isn't particularly interesting and, as you note in the previous sentence, there's a chance that one characterization can clash too much with the other. Which is part of why I don't really like Edgy!Clem.
Another issue is that Clementine is an established character who started out as a defined NPC who underwent character development and whose personal life we know a fair amount about, while Javier is a new character thrust into the leading role with minimal personal backstory and who's characterization, for better or worse, is largely based upon somewhat defined dynamics with his family members. There was a clear template to go off of with Clementine, while Javier is personally based on vague references that are largely informed traits.
Going back to the O… [view original content]
one characterisation can clash with the other
All the more reason to have javier playable at the beginning of each episode for a few… more minutes, changing the way he acts at the end of the game, just like I've suggested on multiple PS4 communities, here, and a few friends.
If javier shows up at some point in season 4 and acts nothing like my javier from season 3 I'll be pissed. No doubt he's showing up at some point so we need to be able to control his personality until either he or clementine dies.
Also, I very doubted/hoped none of the Garcias would show up so soon from the beginning. However, Kate is now an understandable exception, should they actually pull it in a great(not decent) way for those who that'd apply to.
If javier shows up at some point in season 4 and acts nothing like my javier from season 3 I'll be pissed. No doubt he's showing up at some point so we need to be able to control his personality until either he or clementine dies.
I'm usually on telltale's side, and you might really know this because most of my bans are for being too over protective about them but they would be huge dumbasses to turn clementine into a dumbass by having her not return to Richmond with an infant, where it will be a safe place for him, so javier HAS to be in the next season.
Oh, in "Season 4!" Gotcha.
Also, I very doubted/hoped none of the Garcias would show up so soon from the beginning. However, Kate is now … morean understandable exception, should they actually pull it in a great(not decent) way for those who that'd apply to.
I'm usually on telltale's side, and you might really know this because most of my bans are for being too over protective about them but the… morey would be huge dumbasses to turn clementine into a dumbass by having her not return to Richmond with an infant, where it will be a safe place for him, so javier HAS to be in the next season.
For what little it's worth, did you like the fact that Mariana was David's daughter Gabe's sister or would you have preferred if she stayed his cousin?
I know the wiki is not the most reliable source but why the hell does it say that Kate is Caucasian but she uses Spanish words like muertos and nails the accent perfectly and all that? I always thought she was Cuban-American like the rest
Well maybe it's because she's been with David and his family for so long that she eventually learned some Spanish herself.
As for calling them muertos, it means "Dead" in Spanish and since Javi has been calling them that ever since it started, she's just been rolling with it.
I know the wiki is not the most reliable source but why the hell does it say that Kate is Caucasian but she uses Spanish words like muertos and nails the accent perfectly and all that? I always thought she was Cuban-American like the rest
Yeah, I know muertos means dead. Besides, in the episode 3 flashback we see that it was Kate who started using the word, instead of using a word that made mor sense to her.
Well maybe it's because she's been with David and his family for so long that she eventually learned some Spanish herself.
As for calling… more them muertos, it means "Dead" in Spanish and since Javi has been calling them that ever since it started, she's just been rolling with it.
Yeah, much like Jane, I honestly can't tell what the fuck she's supposed to be. I know it's either some form of Hispanic or Caucasian but I can't nail down that or her age. She also mentions being in school with the Garcias, further complicating the matter.
I know the wiki is not the most reliable source but why the hell does it say that Kate is Caucasian but she uses Spanish words like muertos and nails the accent perfectly and all that? I always thought she was Cuban-American like the rest
You know, it's funny how neglected she is in the second half in particular considering all the shit she did for the family. Even came up with their cheesy term for the walkers/geeks/lurkers.
Yeah, I know muertos means dead. Besides, in the episode 3 flashback we see that it was Kate who started using the word, instead of using a word that made mor sense to her.
You know, it's funny how neglected she is in the second half in particular considering all the shit she did for the family. Even came up with their cheesy term for the walkers/geeks/lurkers.
Also, does David ever call them that?
Yeah, much like Jane, I honestly can't tell what the fuck she's supposed to be. I know it's either some form of Hispanic or Caucasian but I … morecan't nail down that or her age. She also mentions being in school with the Garcias, further complicating the matter.
In Thicker than Water, when they're in the truck waiting for Ava to check in. Something about Javi getting hard and trying to hide it behind a textbook was a point of reference.
Oh yeah I got that dialogue scene. I never really took it as them going to th same school, though maybe it's just me but it would be cool if they were, and David met Kate through javier.
In Thicker than Water, when they're in the truck waiting for Ava to check in. Something about Javi getting hard and trying to hide it behind a textbook was a point of reference.
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I believe I do recall someone mentioning that 400 Days data was checked for when loading previous save files.
For a moment I was very scared then i saw the link...
I really doubt Gaby is 144 years old...
People liked Omid because of his personality, jokes and wisecracks, but javier is nearly the exact same but is slightly more badass and can take care of himself more so why do more people like Omid than they do javier? They should have the same number of fans at least.
Because they're salty about him being the PC instead of Clementine and/or not a character from Season 1. There's also a prominence vs. definition thing to take into account there.
But clem wasn't the pc in season 1, it doesn't make sense. And people also complained about season 2 and clem was the pc in that so I'm not sure if it really has anything to do with that unless people changed their minds. (Ik I kinda shifted this question into a why do people complain about season 3 but there seems to be some kind of connection here)
That's fourteen after 4 years, you booby head!
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To be honest, now that you've pointed it out, they are similar characters on paper. Brenda and Mary both practice cannibalism and both have two sons - Andrew and Danny, Alex and Gareth - who do as well.
Depends on which Hershel. TV Hershel is pretty much the source of wisdom and balance in the group, and he often gives the characters advice and whatnot, so I suppose he's similar to Chuck in a way that he has life experience and gives useful advice to the characters. But comic Hershel is a whole other thing. He's very religious, occasionally has outbursts, and is a much more flawed man than his TV counterpart.
Besides being female badasses with pasts that haunt them, I don't think so.
Even though Nate does have a sense of humor that's occasionally similar to Negan's, I'd say no. Negan is smart enough to lead an enormous group in the apocalypse, however I don't think that Nate would be capable to lead a group that's too big - or most importantly, his unstable behavior would probably make it fall apart rather quickly. Not to mention that Negan appears to only do bad things when he has to - whereas Nate sometimes seems to do it even when it unnecessary. Even though we haven't seen enough of Nate to determine, I think Negan is just slightly a better person than Nate.
Tricky one. I'll start by saying that both Kenny and Shane have something in common - they both feel the need to do what's "necessary" in the worst possible situations, and this leads them to do rash things that get them on the bad side of people. I do think, however, that Kenny is slightly less impulsive than Shane, and Kenny would never try to directly kill someone who's on his side, even if he disagrees with them. However I do think that they're still more different than similar - Shane goes nuts because he doesn't have anything to live for and tries to find purpose in keeping Lori and Carl safe, whereas Kenny kept on keeping on without Katjaa and Duck without snapping - like Shane did when he realized he had to get rid of Rick so he wouldn't lose Lori and Carl.
David is a bit more similar to Shane, I suppose. Only he's in the "Rick" position of his love triangle, meaning he's the one who's determinantly being cucked. Yeah, I do think they're similar, in the way that they're both seasoned survivors and violence and conflict is the only thing they understand.
The Governor is a much sicker individual than Carver. Even though Carver was somewhat badly written, and thus I don't feel as compelled to draw a comparison, it's worth acknowledging that Carver tried to reintegrate the cabin group into his community, and only killed Walter - and possibly Alvin - because Kenny kills one of his man, and determinantly almost kills him. If the Governor were in that situation, he would've either killed the cabin group, fed them to the walkers, and possibly have his way with Rebecca or Sarita.
There is only one true dog, man. My boi Theodore never would've betrayed the group, no matter how bad things got.
Heh, I feel like Eleanor is closer to Andrea than Kate. Eleanor is a worthless female character who is only there to fuck things up, and is the character I hate the most in the franchise.
Alright, now that I've let out my Eleanor hate, I can see the similarity, but I'd still say they're quite different. Besides being one of the angles in a love triangle, there's little similar between them. Kate adds something to the story, has a purpose there, and actually does something. Lori just...lingers around, does stupid shit, and keeps forgetting to look after Carl and making sure he stays in the house.
Truth be told, we didn't even know that much about Tripp, but I suppose he's sort of similar to Abraham. They're both bulky guys with amazing facial hair, have a rather complicated romantic life, and they say comical shit that makes us laugh.
If you asked me, it's because Omid came at a time when the game felt very dark. Duck and Katjaa were dead, Kenny was still grieving, Ben had dropped a massive bombshell on Lee, and then there was everything that had happened with Hershel, Shawn, the St. Johns, Mark, Lilly and Larry. The season was downright depressing (in a good way) and stakes felt truly high, as more and more characters we cared about were being hurt, so for a more comedic and lighthearted character to emerge automatically made quite a few people to like Omid. He was a little hope just when they needed it.
The reason Javier didn't gain as much of a fan base as Omid did is because ANF doesn't have very high stakes. Marianna died and they even showed her brutal death, and yet it left nowhere near as much of the impact that Duck's death did. Why? Because the game didn't develop their characters. It didn't develop their role in Javier's life or anyone else's. Characters die, but because there's no development behind their creation, there's no impact, no stakes, and no atmosphere. It results in little more than cheap shock value, something the original game didn't have to rely on to create tension. So when Javier's making lighthearted jokes, it doesn't have the same role, and dare I say it, importance, that Omid's did because the original game had an atmosphere, wasn't hollow and actually ensured that those jokes had a purpose.
But hey, I don't particularly care for either character. In fact, I despise Omid. I'm only theorising here, really. Maybe it's as simple as Javier just being bland, or people just thinking Omid was funnier.
I think that may have been better. The Crooked Man was a creepy but interesting and complex character. Plus his entire personality would have been changed
Troy has nothing on Simon. Troy doesn't seem at all crafty or have any intelligence whatsoever.
Keep in mind that Clementine was "THE GREATEST CHILD IN VIDEO GAME HISTORY!" since her introduction as a main character in Lee's story(which ended with him passing the torch to her) and that Javier came in as a playable character alongside her(and that was downgraded to having her only being playable in 5 minute flashbacks). I think that says enough.
So people don't like him just because of a developer's decision to downgrade clem?
Pretty much.
I agree.
I think that's what rubs me the wrong way about him. I think he's a cool guy, but he's too bland to be main character material.
It's like the game making you play as Omid for the Second half of S1.
That's pretty stupid, if you ask me
javier is the perfect protagonist. You can have him be a complete asshole, a junkie, a loving guy, a funny guy, + he's multi cultural. You can only have clementine be edgy or kind and that's about it.
Huh. I didn't know that.
Interesting, though that still not saying much.
Really now? Oh goody, something to totally look forward to when I ever get to watching it.
Then again, you did confirm that David is very similar, so I guess it makes perfect sense.
Noticed you're ignoring Season 2 there, where Kenny flat out mentions being better off dead several times and was clinging to AJ and the Wellington plan to the point of abusing Arvo and getting into arguments/fights with Luke/Jane.
K.
...Really? Cause the whole reason Carver came after them was because he'd already gotten Rebecca pregnant, so I assume that means the Governor is even pettier.
I also assume you mean the comic Governor, since the TV Show version is apparently a fairly different character.
Eleanor is a medic who offers to free Javier and Clementine from the pin in order to help save his family overnight, fixed up Kate when Badger shot her, and provided a place for the group to hide out(even if Joan should've logically had that place searched since she knew Javier had escape, but that's whole other can of worms). And her going to Joan(who she apparently neglected to mention Javier was gonna kill, btw) was an attempt to prevent a riot/shootout from breaking out and had nothing to do with Tripp and Ava getting captured(as she herself was surprised by that revelation).
I agree with this part in particular, though it is worth noting that(as far as I'm inclined to comment) Javier isn't particularly interesting and, as you note in the previous sentence, there's a chance that one characterization can clash too much with the other. Which is part of why I don't really like Edgy!Clem.
Another issue is that Clementine is an established character who started out as a defined NPC who underwent character development and whose personal life we know a fair amount about, while Javier is a new character thrust into the leading role with minimal personal backstory and who's characterization, for better or worse, is largely based upon somewhat defined dynamics with his family members. There was a clear template to go off of with Clementine, while Javier is personally based on vague references that are largely informed traits.
Going back to the Omid comparison for a second, keep in mind that Javier is the main protagonist with a lot of screentime and some variety of behavior, while Omid is a relatively minor character who primarily functions as comic relief. So there's a quality vs. quantity thing going there as well.
Preach it!
All the more reason to have javier playable at the beginning of each episode for a few minutes, changing the way he acts at the end of the game, just like I've suggested on multiple PS4 communities, here, and a few friends.
...What?
If javier shows up at some point in season 4 and acts nothing like my javier from season 3 I'll be pissed. No doubt he's showing up at some point so we need to be able to control his personality until either he or clementine dies.
Oh, in "Season 4!" Gotcha.
Also, I very doubted/hoped none of the Garcias would show up so soon from the beginning. However, Kate is now an understandable exception, should they actually pull it in a great(not decent) way for those who that'd apply to.
I'm usually on telltale's side, and you might really know this because most of my bans are for being too over protective about them
but they would be huge dumbasses to turn clementine into a dumbass by having her not return to Richmond with an infant, where it will be a safe place for him, so javier HAS to be in the next season.
yep. gross.,Eh, it could be worse. It could be the Clem Porn guy.
In that regard, I can agree.
Or the Mari Porn guy.
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Oh-yeeeah!
For what little it's worth, did you like the fact that Mariana was David's daughter Gabe's sister or would you have preferred if she stayed his cousin?
Does anybody know where to download TWD S1 save files?
I know the wiki is not the most reliable source but why the hell does it say that Kate is Caucasian but she uses Spanish words like muertos and nails the accent perfectly and all that? I always thought she was Cuban-American like the rest
Well maybe it's because she's been with David and his family for so long that she eventually learned some Spanish herself.
As for calling them muertos, it means "Dead" in Spanish and since Javi has been calling them that ever since it started, she's just been rolling with it.
Yeah, I know muertos means dead. Besides, in the episode 3 flashback we see that it was Kate who started using the word, instead of using a word that made mor sense to her.
Yeah, much like Jane, I honestly can't tell what the fuck she's supposed to be. I know it's either some form of Hispanic or Caucasian but I can't nail down that or her age. She also mentions being in school with the Garcias, further complicating the matter.
You know, it's funny how neglected she is in the second half in particular considering all the shit she did for the family. Even came up with their cheesy term for the walkers/geeks/lurkers.
Also, does David ever call them that?
David calls them walkers, Kate also calls them walkers at one point in episode 3 during the hospital scene. That's when they both say it.
When was this? I'd love to know
Ah, okay. My laptops been a little slow today, so I wasn't going through several hours of footage to check.
In Thicker than Water, when they're in the truck waiting for Ava to check in. Something about Javi getting hard and trying to hide it behind a textbook was a point of reference.
Oh yeah I got that dialogue scene. I never really took it as them going to th same school, though
maybe it's just me but it would be cool if they were, and David met Kate through javier.