YOU think so. But does clementine? There's no doubt she's returning, even if the player doesn't want it because she'll be a huge dope to risk her life every day, growing hungry scavenging for hard to find food when she can get a meal at least once a day within Richmond, and she doesn't need to worry about being bitten. Would you do the same? And she can't do it again because she'd be a fucking idiot to risk her son's life every day instead of making sure he stays safe.
Mainly because I think the Garcia's are boring and considering how much negativity Javier's family is getting from the fans, I'm sure they w… moreouldn't want them to come back.
Honestly, I'd rather be alone again then return to a place that's just been through hell and nearly destroyed along with people who possibly hate Javier and his family for destroying some of their lives.
(Determinantly) Clem raises AJ by herself for nearly a two years without a group. Why can't she do it again?
I'm not going to assume anything here but your vision of clementine really makes her sound like a HUGE idiot. If she had half a brain she wo… moreuld return and keep aj safe instead of risking his life every day, and Richmond has supplies for her. She even says to javier towards the end, she'll bring AJ back if she can find him.
YOU think so. But does clementine? There's no doubt she's returning, even if the player doesn't want it because she'll be a huge dope to ris… morek her life every day, growing hungry scavenging for hard to find food when she can get a meal at least once a day within Richmond, and she doesn't need to worry about being bitten. Would you do the same? And she can't do it again because she'd be a fucking idiot to risk her son's life every day instead of making sure he stays safe.
She even says to javier towards the end, she'll bring AJ back if she can find him.
I think she doubts it. If you told her to bring him back, she'll give you a look of doubt and doesn't say anything after.
what do you want to do with him now?
either have him as a minor character to play as for a short period of time at the beginning of … moreeach episode to show how he would rebuild Richmond from the player's POV/have him and clem both 50/50% playable just like TFTBL as that game did it so perfectly/just have him as a side character to assist clem in looking for aj, as it seems like the most logical choices just in case clem were to fail, javier would be the backup, seeing as he seems just as competent as clementine, if not more. As to who he will leave in charge of Richmond? Kate or David if they are alive. If David is dead and Kate is missing then it should be handed down one of the Prescott survivors. If the player did not choose to forgive Eleanor but Conrad is alive then it will be him, if she is forgiven and Conrad is alive it should still be Conrad, if Conrad is dead however and Eleanor is forgiven then it should be Eleanor in charge, … [view original content]
It's a ranch... aren't they normally like 1 building? Besides, I'm sure the place will be pact with a family or something there. I doubt there'll be room.
YOU think so. But does clementine?
Well, since we're playing as her next season and we get to make choices for her, imma say Yup.
Besides, if the ranch is as safe as Richmond, I'd rather her spend time there than at Richmond.
That would be nice, though I'm not holding my breath on Kate specifically. I mean, if they managed to incorporate her into Clementine's upcoming journey in a meaningful way for those who had her go missing, that's great, but I've been disappointed too many times to let optimism fool me about something as obvious an unlikehood.
my biggest hope for Gabe is that they make Gabe and Kate a Carley/doug type determinant character i mean im the opposite when it comes to Kate cause i really dont like her since she gives me some flashbacks of Lori who i hated in the show.
It's a ranch... aren't they normally like 1 building? Besides, I'm sure the place will be pact with a family or something there. I doubt there'll be room.
I agree with pretty much everything you said about Javier. I don't think he hasn't developed at all from Ep.1 through Ep.5, he's still the s… moreame ol' Javier from the beginning.
if "Season 4" really does end with Clementine and AJ returning to Richmond,
God I hope not. That'll be a terrible idea.
All the more reason for it to have less room for clementine to stay in. Besides, Richmond is big enough for clementine to have an entire house for herself and AJ.
Melton, I'm getting the impression you've got a problem with me. That's fine, because I have a problem with YOU too. So how about we just agree to avoid each other from here on out?
I'm not going to assume anything here but your vision of clementine really makes her sound like a HUGE idiot. If she had half a brain she wo… moreuld return and keep aj safe instead of risking his life every day, and Richmond has supplies for her. She even says to javier towards the end, she'll bring AJ back if she can find him.
It wouldn't feel...right. I absolutely have no connection with Javier and his family and not to mention it wouldn't be the best place for Clem.
I want Clementine to find a place where she feels like she belongs in, kids her age she can relate to (Not counting Gabe b/c he can die, which he did in my game), and friends for AJ. It also doesn't help that the people of Richmond must still hate Javier and his family for destroying some of their lives.
I expressed my opinion so you assume I have a problem with you? And you have a problem with me for telling you my opinion? I don't have a problem with you at all.
Melton, I'm getting the impression you've got a problem with me. That's fine, because I have a problem with YOU too. So how about we just agree to avoid each other from here on out?
But javier also helped rebuild their lives. And what if the ranch has no kids clem's age there? And she strikes me as a loner anyway so she wouldn't really like that.
It wouldn't feel...right. I absolutely have no connection with Javier and his family and not to mention it wouldn't be the best place for Cl… moreem.
I want Clementine to find a place where she feels like she belongs in, kids her age she can relate to (Not counting Gabe b/c he can die, which he did in my game), and friends for AJ. It also doesn't help that the people of Richmond must still hate Javier and his family for destroying some of their lives.
I just don't want her story to end with her staying with the Garcia's. They're too bland and it's kind of a slap to the face to fans if you don't like them, which is the majority.
All the more reason for it to have less room for clementine to stay in. Besides, Richmond is big enough for clementine to have an entire house for herself and AJ.
either have him as a minor character to play as for a short period of time at the beginning of each episode to show how he would rebuild Richmond from the player's POV/have him and clem both 50/50% playable just like TFTBL as that game did it so perfectly/just have him as a side character to assist clem in looking for aj, as it seems like the most logical choices just in case clem were to fail, javier would be the backup, seeing as he seems just as competent as clementine, if not more. As to who he will leave in charge of Richmond? Kate or David if they are alive. If David is dead and Kate is missing then it should be handed down one of the Prescott survivors. If the player did not choose to forgive Eleanor but Conrad is alive then it will be him, if she is forgiven and Conrad is alive it should still be Conrad, if Conrad is dead however and Eleanor is forgiven then it should be Eleanor in charge, if Conrad is dead and Eleanor is not forgiven then it should be handed down to somebody like fern to watch over until javier returns. This would show players right from the get-go that choices really do matter and would have a huge effect in the coming episodes.
I don't think I asked that, but okay--thanks for sharing anyway!
all the more reason to bring him back and add to it, giving him a new purpose as his family is safe, and that purpose is to protect the family he created: being clementine and the Prescott survivor(s) and the rest of Richmond.
Don't get me wrong, if they manage to pull something off that not only implements Javier in a cool way but also makes him an [even] better chaacter, than I'll appreciate it.
I just don't particularly care one way or another at the moment.
what do you want to do with him now?
either have him as a minor character to play as for a short period of time at the beginning of … moreeach episode to show how he would rebuild Richmond from the player's POV/have him and clem both 50/50% playable just like TFTBL as that game did it so perfectly/just have him as a side character to assist clem in looking for aj, as it seems like the most logical choices just in case clem were to fail, javier would be the backup, seeing as he seems just as competent as clementine, if not more. As to who he will leave in charge of Richmond? Kate or David if they are alive. If David is dead and Kate is missing then it should be handed down one of the Prescott survivors. If the player did not choose to forgive Eleanor but Conrad is alive then it will be him, if she is forgiven and Conrad is alive it should still be Conrad, if Conrad is dead however and Eleanor is forgiven then it should be Eleanor in charge, … [view original content]
But javier also helped rebuild their lives. And what if the ranch has no kids clem's age there? And she strikes me as a loner anyway so she wouldn't really like that.
I just don't want her story to end with her staying with the Garcia's. They're too bland and it's kind of a slap to the face to fans if you don't like them, which is the majority.
either have him as a minor character to play as for a short period of time at the beginning of each episode to show how he would rebuild Ric… morehmond from the player's POV/have him and clem both 50/50% playable just like TFTBL as that game did it so perfectly/just have him as a side character to assist clem in looking for aj, as it seems like the most logical choices just in case clem were to fail, javier would be the backup, seeing as he seems just as competent as clementine, if not more. As to who he will leave in charge of Richmond? Kate or David if they are alive. If David is dead and Kate is missing then it should be handed down one of the Prescott survivors. If the player did not choose to forgive Eleanor but Conrad is alive then it will be him, if she is forgiven and Conrad is alive it should still be Conrad, if Conrad is dead however and Eleanor is forgiven then it should be Eleanor in charge, if Conrad is dead and Eleanor is not forgiven… [view original content]
That makes no sense. It would make her selfish because her loner trait making her survive in the wilderness with a 2 year old without the supplies or gear needed would be a death sentence. AJ's life would be way longer from within Richmond. With all due respect I don't see where your opinion lies and why it is justified
I'm not just talking about Javier...I'm talking about the whole family; Gabe, Kate, and David.
If David is alive in one game, it wouldn't make any more sense if she decides to stay.
I'm not just talking about Javier...I'm talking about the whole family; Gabe, Kate, and David.
If David is alive in one game, it wouldn't make any more sense if she decides to stay.
I'm not just talking about Javier...I'm talking about the whole family; Gabe, Kate, and David.
If David is alive in one game, it wouldn't make any more sense if she decides to stay.
That makes no sense. It would make her selfish because her loner trait making her survive in the wilderness with a 2 year old without the su… morepplies or gear needed would be a death sentence. AJ's life would be way longer from within Richmond. With all due respect I don't see where your opinion lies and why it is justified
There's always enough time for her to forgive him. Besides, what you are saying makes her sound even more selfish because she is letting her relationships get in the way of protecting AJ. That is not in her character at all.
How will it not feel right? In every ending in the New Frontier, clementine says she'll return, ends on a good note with javier and becomes good friends with him, becomes good friends with Gabe, as well as Kate and determinantly becomes cool with David. This will make perfect sense. And it's a safe palace. If you were clementine, would you risk your child just because of your relationship with another person in that community?
All I'm saying is MY Clementine would rather stay alone than go back to Richmond.
I don't want her story to end with the Garcia's. It won't feel right.
There's always enough time for her to forgive him. Besides, what you are saying makes her sound even more selfish because she is letting her relationships get in the way of protecting AJ. That is not in her character at all.
It wouldn't feel...right. I absolutely have no connection with Javier and his family and not to mention it wouldn't be the best place for Cl… moreem.
I want Clementine to find a place where she feels like she belongs in, kids her age she can relate to (Not counting Gabe b/c he can die, which he did in my game), and friends for AJ. It also doesn't help that the people of Richmond must still hate Javier and his family for destroying some of their lives.
There's always enough time for her to forgive him
Both David and Gabe are dead in my game so...yeah...
she is letting her rela… moretionships get in the way of protecting AJ.
She has every right to be angry at David, I don't blame her. It's not being selfish, I think it's more being cautious than anything.
Here's the thing: some people don't like The Garcia's, not just Javier. I don't like them because they're too bland and boring. Not to mention we JUST met them this season, it wasn't like they were there for Clem since S2. If someone like Christa or even Mike was with her in Richmond, than I'd consider going back because they give me nostalgia from the previous seasons. I have no connection with them and can't relate to any of them. Not to mention they lacked development this season. YOU love Javier, we know that, and maybe that's right why YOU think it's right for her to stay.
Not everyone's Clementine is a people person. For example, MY Clementine wouldn't stay in Richmond because of all the terrible things that happened there. Sooner or later those walls will come down again like in Wellington, so MY Clementine thinks she's better off being by herself than with a community again.
How will it not feel right? In every ending in the New Frontier, clementine says she'll return, ends on a good note with javier and becomes … moregood friends with him, becomes good friends with Gabe, as well as Kate and determinantly becomes cool with David. This will make perfect sense. And it's a safe palace. If you were clementine, would you risk your child just because of your relationship with another person in that community?
But that's the thing! Nothing bad happened to clementine in Richmond because it was never owned by New Frontier when she was kicked out! And it is clementine's story, not ours. She liked the Garcia' sin season 3 so we will only get angsty dialogue options with them at most, but it wouldn't mean much because we know clem loves those people.
How will it not feel right?
Here's the thing: some people don't like The Garcia's, not just Javier. I don't like them because they'r… moree too bland and boring. Not to mention we JUST met them this season, it wasn't like they were there for Clem since S2. If someone like Christa or even Mike was with her in Richmond, than I'd consider going back because they give me nostalgia from the previous seasons. I have no connection with them and can't relate to any of them. Not to mention they lacked development this season. YOU love Javier, we know that, and maybe that's right why YOU think it's right for her to stay.
Not everyone's Clementine is a people person. For example, MY Clementine wouldn't stay in Richmond because of all the terrible things that happened there. Sooner or later those walls will come down again like in Wellington, so MY Clementine thinks she's better off being by herself than with a community again.
Call it being selfish, but it is what it is.
i kind of dont agree while there are alot of things i can excuse Clementine blatantly stole Medicine from a group and the medicine just happened to also be Pain killers which is the reason why everyone was saying it wouldnt help... Why wasnt Lingard clear about it ? Cause he was high.
and if Clem decides to put it back and she lets it fall . Which David wouldnt be able to confirm since it was Clem s word vs Someone who s been in his group for longer than her and unless David is a fortune teller now using his crystal ball to predict the future then no there s no way David could have known about Clem s intentions to put it back.
There's always enough time for her to forgive him
Both David and Gabe are dead in my game so...yeah...
she is letting her rela… moretionships get in the way of protecting AJ.
She has every right to be angry at David, I don't blame her. It's not being selfish, I think it's more being cautious than anything.
It's worth noting that "Coon" is the one who made her drop it trying to apprehend her, but David likely wouldn't care anyway seeing as she shouldn't have been there in the first place.
i kind of dont agree while there are alot of things i can excuse Clementine blatantly stole Medicine from a group and the medicine just happ… moreened to also be Pain killers which is the reason why everyone was saying it wouldnt help... Why wasnt Lingard clear about it ? Cause he was high.
and if Clem decides to put it back and she lets it fall . Which David wouldnt be able to confirm since it was Clem s word vs Someone who s been in his group for longer than her and unless David is a fortune teller now using his crystal ball to predict the future then no there s no way David could have known about Clem s intentions to put it back.
You talking to me or MRSHY? Discussion has been going on for way too long so I can't see where it's linked and it's my thread so it gets sent to me anyway lol
i kind of dont agree while there are alot of things i can excuse Clementine blatantly stole Medicine from a group and the medicine just happ… moreened to also be Pain killers which is the reason why everyone was saying it wouldnt help... Why wasnt Lingard clear about it ? Cause he was high.
and if Clem decides to put it back and she lets it fall . Which David wouldnt be able to confirm since it was Clem s word vs Someone who s been in his group for longer than her and unless David is a fortune teller now using his crystal ball to predict the future then no there s no way David could have known about Clem s intentions to put it back.
You talking to me or MRSHY? Discussion has been going on for way too long so I can't see where it's linked and it's my thread so it gets sent to me anyway lol
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YOU think so. But does clementine? There's no doubt she's returning, even if the player doesn't want it because she'll be a huge dope to risk her life every day, growing hungry scavenging for hard to find food when she can get a meal at least once a day within Richmond, and she doesn't need to worry about being bitten. Would you do the same? And she can't do it again because she'd be a fucking idiot to risk her son's life every day instead of making sure he stays safe.
I think she doubts it. If you told her to bring him back, she'll give you a look of doubt and doesn't say anything after.
Well, since we're playing as her next season and we get to make choices for her, imma say Yup.
Besides, if the ranch is as safe as Richmond, I'd rather her spend time there than at Richmond.
I think it was a look of worry in case she would never find AJ
You mean Conrad?
It's a ranch... aren't they normally like 1 building? Besides, I'm sure the place will be pact with a family or something there. I doubt there'll be room.
That would be nice, though I'm not holding my breath on Kate specifically. I mean, if they managed to incorporate her into Clementine's upcoming journey in a meaningful way for those who had her go missing, that's great, but I've been disappointed too many times to let optimism fool me about something as obvious an unlikehood.
I meant Eleanor and put the (s) for people who had Conrad.
I'm sure the ranch has some connection to Richmond. There's bound to have more people besides a single family.
And why, pray tell(even though I don't want to), would that be?
I forgot Eleanor was even a character...
All the more reason for it to have less room for clementine to stay in. Besides, Richmond is big enough for clementine to have an entire house for herself and AJ.
Melton, I'm getting the impression you've got a problem with me. That's fine, because I have a problem with YOU too. So how about we just agree to avoid each other from here on out?
It wouldn't feel...right. I absolutely have no connection with Javier and his family and not to mention it wouldn't be the best place for Clem.
I want Clementine to find a place where she feels like she belongs in, kids her age she can relate to (Not counting Gabe b/c he can die, which he did in my game), and friends for AJ. It also doesn't help that the people of Richmond must still hate Javier and his family for destroying some of their lives.
I expressed my opinion so you assume I have a problem with you? And you have a problem with me for telling you my opinion? I don't have a problem with you at all.
But javier also helped rebuild their lives. And what if the ranch has no kids clem's age there? And she strikes me as a loner anyway so she wouldn't really like that.
I just don't want her story to end with her staying with the Garcia's. They're too bland and it's kind of a slap to the face to fans if you don't like them, which is the majority.
I don't think I asked that, but okay--thanks for sharing anyway!
Don't get me wrong, if they manage to pull something off that not only implements Javier in a cool way but also makes him an [even] better chaacter, than I'll appreciate it.
I just don't particularly care one way or another at the moment.
All the more reason for her to be alone again with AJ.
It's the majority on this site... probably. It actually seems kind of mixed here but the majority actually liked/didn't mind him.
That's the beauty of taking risks. At least they can say that they tried, and they have the chance to listen to fans' feedback on how to improve him.
I'm not just talking about Javier...I'm talking about the whole family; Gabe, Kate, and David.
If David is alive in one game, it wouldn't make any more sense if she decides to stay.
That makes no sense. It would make her selfish because her loner trait making her survive in the wilderness with a 2 year old without the supplies or gear needed would be a death sentence. AJ's life would be way longer from within Richmond. With all due respect I don't see where your opinion lies and why it is justified
Clementine forgives David in episode 5 though, it is the 1 scene that is super hard to miss.
Clementine forgives David in episode 5 though, it is the 1 scene that is super hard to miss.
Clementine forgives David in episode 5 though, it is the 1 scene that is super hard to miss.
Lol not in my playthrough. She's still pissed at him for abandoning him.
I got the Wellington ending in S2 so that's why.
All I'm saying is MY Clementine would rather stay alone than go back to Richmond.
I don't want her story to end with the Garcia's. It won't feel right.
There's always enough time for her to forgive him. Besides, what you are saying makes her sound even more selfish because she is letting her relationships get in the way of protecting AJ. That is not in her character at all.
How will it not feel right? In every ending in the New Frontier, clementine says she'll return, ends on a good note with javier and becomes good friends with him, becomes good friends with Gabe, as well as Kate and determinantly becomes cool with David. This will make perfect sense. And it's a safe palace. If you were clementine, would you risk your child just because of your relationship with another person in that community?
True.
Both David and Gabe are dead in my game so...yeah...
She has every right to be angry at David, I don't blame her. It's not being selfish, I think it's more being cautious than anything.
I guess. Depends on the bio at the end, really.
Excuse my sarcasm but yeah... it's not selfish at all putting your relationship with a hot headed asshole get in the wa of the safety of your child.
Here's the thing: some people don't like The Garcia's, not just Javier. I don't like them because they're too bland and boring. Not to mention we JUST met them this season, it wasn't like they were there for Clem since S2. If someone like Christa or even Mike was with her in Richmond, than I'd consider going back because they give me nostalgia from the previous seasons. I have no connection with them and can't relate to any of them. Not to mention they lacked development this season. YOU love Javier, we know that, and maybe that's right why YOU think it's right for her to stay.
Not everyone's Clementine is a people person. For example, MY Clementine wouldn't stay in Richmond because of all the terrible things that happened there. Sooner or later those walls will come down again like in Wellington, so MY Clementine thinks she's better off being by herself than with a community again.
Call it being selfish, but it is what it is.
But that's the thing! Nothing bad happened to clementine in Richmond because it was never owned by New Frontier when she was kicked out! And it is clementine's story, not ours. She liked the Garcia' sin season 3 so we will only get angsty dialogue options with them at most, but it wouldn't mean much because we know clem loves those people.
i kind of dont agree while there are alot of things i can excuse Clementine blatantly stole Medicine from a group and the medicine just happened to also be Pain killers which is the reason why everyone was saying it wouldnt help... Why wasnt Lingard clear about it ? Cause he was high.
and if Clem decides to put it back and she lets it fall . Which David wouldnt be able to confirm since it was Clem s word vs Someone who s been in his group for longer than her and unless David is a fortune teller now using his crystal ball to predict the future then no there s no way David could have known about Clem s intentions to put it back.
It's worth noting that "Coon" is the one who made her drop it trying to apprehend her, but David likely wouldn't care anyway seeing as she shouldn't have been there in the first place.
You talking to me or MRSHY? Discussion has been going on for way too long so I can't see where it's linked and it's my thread so it gets sent to me anyway lol
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