Yes, Kenny is abusive, and not just towards the people he hates/dislikes, but even towards Clementine herself, particularly throughout Season 2. Some people here have done a great job at explaining what abuse is and what constitutes abusive behavior, but I'd like to give some additional information just to reinforce what's already been said.
Yes, Kenny cares deeply about Clementine and Alvin Jr. Yes, Kenny's willing to risk or even sacrifice his own life for their welfare, as well as for Ben's (or Christa's). Yes, he took the blame for Clementine when she stole the walkie-talkie from Carver. And yes, if you choose to leave or even kill Kenny, he will always support you, no matter what. All these things are true.
That being said, none of these things negates Kenny's abusive behaviors, which he consistently displays throughout Season 2. In other words, the fact that Kenny performs all these good deeds and holds all these good intentions in his heart does not mean he isn't abusive -- he is. The examples I'm about to give you highlight what makes Kenny abusive, not necessarily what makes him "good" or "bad." In real life, the person with the purest intentions can still be abusive, no matter how genuine their love or how deep their affections for their victims. In real life, many "overprotective" parents who truly care about their children and truly want what's best for them are, in fact, abusive towards their kids without even realizing it. Furthermore -- and this is important -- abuse does not have to be intended. In other words, whether or not you mean to abuse someone, does not determine whether you're actually abusing them. You can still be abusive without meaning to be abusive, which is the case with many so-called "overprotective" parents. In Clementine's case, she was never physically abused by Kenny, but she WAS mentally, emotionally, and verbally abused by him.
The very act of exposing a child to unhealthy, toxic, or horrific sights and situations is considered abuse, as recognized by modern professional psychological standards. Kenny is abusive to Clementine when he brutally kills Carver and mutilates his face in front of her, because he's exposing Clementine to excessive, shocking, and/or potentially traumatizing violence, which no child should have to witness. Kenny is abusive to Clementine when he excessively beats and verbally abuses and humiliates Arvo in front of her, sometimes even knocking him unconscious (the fact that Arvo eventually shoots Clem does not mean Kenny wasn't abusive towards Clem for hurting Arvo in front of her -- he still was, and needlessly so). Kenny is abusive to Clementine when he perpetrates a needless physical fight with Mike at Howe's. Kenny is abusive to Clementine again when he perpetrates another fight against Jane with the intent of killing her after she provoked him (by law, it's the person who physically attacks first (and not the provoker) who is legally regarded as the perpetrator of the fight, no matter how angry or unstable he/she gets). Kenny is even abusive to Clementine when he loses his temper with Sarita at the lodge in front of Clem, priming Clem's mind to fear and/or anticipate Kenny's explosive nature in any future interaction with herself or with others around her. Even though none of these things are directly aimed at Clementine, Kenny still exposes Clem to unhealthy or toxic situations, creating an atmosphere of anxiousness, fear, or general uneasiness -- these things ARE abuse, even if they're not directly perpetrated against Clementine, herself. That's not simply an opinion. That how abuse is actually defined and recognized by professional standards and real experts working in the fields of psychology or medicine.
Abuse is also professionally recognized when the abuser exerts themselves in a way that makes the victim feel the need to placate them just so they wouldn't go off on everybody around them. In other words, if a person regularly behaves in a way that makes you feel the need to appease them just so they won't go off on you or the people around you, you're being abused. If you consistently feel the need to calm that person down, or prevent them from losing their temper in the first place, you're being abused. If a person constantly makes you feel anxious or fearful that they could, at any moment, lose their cool, you're being abused. And if a person constantly and excessively yells at, insults, beats, or otherwise hurts the people around you, even if it isn't directly aimed at you, then you're being abused (however, Kenny does excessively yell at Clem, only adding to the abuse).
Kenny constantly treats Clementine in this manner throughout Season 2. Whenever he shared his thoughts and ideas for what the group should do, I felt uneasy because I knew that Clementine had to agree with him, or else he had a good chance of going off on her and/or the people around her. And I was right. When I made alternate choices just to see what happens, Kenny does exactly that -- he shames, guilts, and/or yells at Clementine for not agreeing with him, while also going off on other people around her. He constantly tries to alienate Clem in abusive "us versus them" fashion, such as when he yells at Clementine for expressing the opinion that the group should head back south instead of trying to find Wellington ("What was that back there? I expected more outta you, Clem. How could you embarrass me like that?"). Kenny acts as if he's been betrayed that you didn't side with him this time, like you did all the other times (he treats Lee this way, as well). Such emotionally controlling behavior is a characteristic symptom of an abusive relationship.
Furthermore, if a person uses guilt to imply that you're indebted to agree with them, or to suggest that you're ungrateful for disagreeing with them, you're being abused. When Kenny tries to persuade Clementine to side with him in finding Wellington for AJ, he tells Clem in private, "What if Lee hadn't gone tearing across half of Georgia looking for you? A lot of folks died to make that happen." Yes, Kenny meant well, but remember, abuse doesn't care what your heart means. Intentional or not, using guilt in an attempt to persuade someone to see things your way is a form of abuse as well as emotional manipulation, especially when the abuser invokes something as heavy, tragic, and traumatic as the death of a loved one.
And if a person threatens to use physical violence against you even though he/she never actually goes through with it, you're still being abused. Kenny can threaten to slap Clementine if she suggests that perhaps Lee shouldn't have risked his life for her, which is a form of emotional abuse as it breeds a fearful sense of uncertainty of what will happen to her (i.e., the fear of whether or not Kenny would actually go through with his threat and hit Clementine).
Furthermore, just because Kenny apologizes to Clem several times for unintentionally hurting her does NOT mean he's no longer abusive. According to the cycle of abuse, which is a psychological theory that is still regarded as valid by most working professionals today, apologies (even genuine ones) merely perpetuate abusive behaviors, particularly when the abuser doesn't change his/her abusive ways after apologizing. That's exactly the case with Kenny throughout Season 2. He gives a genuine and heartfelt apology for yelling at Clem after Sarita's death/injury (one of many occasions he yells at her), but he still continues to treat Clementine the way he always did -- yelling at her, using guilt in an attempt to persuade her, shaming her when she disagrees, alienating her from everyone else around her, physically endangering her by perpetrating fights, exposing her to excessive violence and verbal abuse, etc.
Now, some people may feel tempted to point to Season 3 as proof that Kenny isn't actually abusive to Clementine, as if that negates his abusive character in Season 2. However, this completely misses the point. Yes, we know NOW that Kenny's no longer abusive, but just because Kenny suddenly and completely changes his abusive personality in Season 3 does not mean he wasn't abusive to Clementine throughout Season 2 -- he was, and regularly so. In fact, for many people who haven't already played/seen ANF yet (either because the game hadn't released yet or because the person simply hasn't gotten the game yet), there's very little reason to believe that Kenny wouldn't continue to perpetuate his abusive behaviors. In other words, Kenny being abusive to Clementine is such a constant and normal part of his character throughout Season 2, that ALL anyone can possibly infer from Season 2 alone is that, whenever Clementine IS with Kenny, he is never able to end his abusive treatment of her or of other people around her (which again, is still regarded as abuse towards Clem herself). In other words, for someone who has absolutely no knowledge of Season 3 and has only played Seasons 1 and 2, it would actually be logically valid for that person to conclude, by inductive reasoning, that Kenny would most likely (although not certainly) continue to perpetuate his abusive treatment of Clementine, having very little chance of breaking the abusive cycle. My point is, regardless of what happens in the brief amount of time we see Kenny in Season 3, Kenny was abusive towards Clementine throughout Season 2, which is what people mean when they point out that Kenny is an abusive character.
Kenny being abusive towards Clementine isn't just an opinion. The behaviors and tendencies displayed by Kenny against Clementine throughout Season 2 are characteristic of real-life, academic and professional descriptions of abuse. Any honest reading of the textbook or clinical literature on abuse will point to the conclusion that Kenny is, in fact, abusive towards Clementine, particularly throughout Season 2.
The Kenny flashbacks prove that he was not the abusive rabid dog that many made him out to be, he was still the same family man who would do… more anything to protect his loved ones.
Kenny is definitely the best s2 ending considering how Wellington falls immediately and Jane kills herself while AJ is in swaddling clothes. Don't mind what Tumblr says too much lol.
I'd be surprised if no one already shared it, but I'm too lazy to see if anyone did, so; this video sums up Kenny pretty well, just gonna leave it here.
I'm glad you mentioned that video. I was actually going to cite it as supplemental evidence for Kenny's abusive personality, but I forgot.
That particular video is actually what first opened my eyes to Kenny abusive relationship with Clementine. As someone who felt strongly attached to Kenny, I don't think I ever would have been convinced he was abusive if I hadn't come across such an articulate and thought-provoking presentation as that video. In fact, the video drove me to read up on abuse because I was hoping I could prove it wrong, or at least convince myself it was exaggerating. Instead, I only discovered more reasons to affirm Kenny's abusive personality, including reasons that weren't even mentioned in the video, which is already compelling enough as it is.
I think deep down, a lot of people feel the abusive tension in the relationship between Kenny and Clementine, but they just don't know how to articulate it. Personally, I was never consciously aware of it, but I'd always felt deep down that there was something uneasy about Kenny's relationship with Clementine, something "wrong" about the way he was treating her. I simply didn't realize it was abuse until I saw the video.
I'd be surprised if no one already shared it, but I'm too lazy to see if anyone did, so; this video sums up Kenny pretty well, just gonna leave it here.
We Don't Talk About Kenny: Telltale's Walking Dead Season 2
While u may be right. He was only "Abusive" when shit was hitting the fan (getting beaten almost to death, Sarita dyeing, baby being born, Gunfight) TBH after all the close ones Kenny lost while all this shit is happening I'm proud at how much he keeps it together my Clementine understood that Kenny was just having a rough time (imo the roughest compared to anyone else in the group) He's harsh in times like this also because he was making decisions that needed to made and he was ultimately correct every time. ANF just proved that Kenny really is a good guy when he's not life's punching bag.
Yes, Kenny is abusive, and not just towards the people he hates/dislikes, but even towards Clementine herself, particularly throughout Seaso… moren 2. Some people here have done a great job at explaining what abuse is and what constitutes abusive behavior, but I'd like to give some additional information just to reinforce what's already been said.
Yes, Kenny cares deeply about Clementine and Alvin Jr. Yes, Kenny's willing to risk or even sacrifice his own life for their welfare, as well as for Ben's (or Christa's). Yes, he took the blame for Clementine when she stole the walkie-talkie from Carver. And yes, if you choose to leave or even kill Kenny, he will always support you, no matter what. All these things are true.
That being said, none of these things negates Kenny's abusive behaviors, which he consistently displays throughout Season 2. In other words, the fact that Kenny performs all these good deeds and holds all these good intention… [view original content]
While u may be right. He was only "Abusive" when shit was hitting the fan (getting beaten almost to death, Sarita dyeing, baby being born, G… moreunfight) TBH after all the close ones Kenny lost while all this shit is happening I'm proud at how much he keeps it together my Clementine understood that Kenny was just having a rough time (imo the roughest compared to anyone else in the group) He's harsh in times like this also because he was making decisions that needed to made and he was ultimately correct every time. ANF just proved that Kenny really is a good guy when he's not life's punching bag.
I'd be surprised if no one already shared it, but I'm too lazy to see if anyone did, so; this video sums up Kenny pretty well, just gonna leave it here.
We Don't Talk About Kenny: Telltale's Walking Dead Season 2
In season 2 he was right legit about basically everything the only thing I can think of is when He shot one of Carvers people which ended up killing Walter.
he was ultimately correct every time
I wouldn't say that's necessarily a good thing. And I'm know there were times where he wasn't a… morenyway, so whatever.
. ANF just proved that Kenny really is a good guy when he's not life's punching bag.
And this is an important distinction I appreciate someone making for once.
he was ultimately correct every time
I wouldn't say that's necessarily a good thing. And I'm know there were times where he wasn't a… morenyway, so whatever.
. ANF just proved that Kenny really is a good guy when he's not life's punching bag.
And this is an important distinction I appreciate someone making for once.
Honestly abusive or not the fact that Kenny can incite such heated debate based on the questionability of his actions alone shows to me what a brilliantly written character he is.
In season 2 he was right legit about basically everything the only thing I can think of is when He shot one of Carvers people which ended up killing Walter.
The OP asked whether Kenny is abusive to Clementine, and the answer to that question is "yes," as I've explained.
I think people have such a difficult time recognizing Kenny's abusive treatment of Clementine because we know he's ultimately a caring person who's willing to sacrifice his own life for her if he has to. But what many people don't understand is that being affectionate, well-intentioned, or even straight-up heroic has absolutely NO bearing on whether or not someone is abusive. As I've stated before, being abusive isn't necessarily the same thing as being a "good" or "bad" person (although abuse, itself, is harmful). Even the most loving parents are capable of regularly abusing their children without even realizing it.
Kenny is one of these "parents." He truly cares about Clementine and genuinely wants what's best for her, but at the same time, the behaviors Kenny displays and the psychologically detrimental situations to which he subjects Clementine are undeniably consistent with professional descriptions of mental, verbal, and emotional abuse. In other words, whether or not Kenny meant to hurt Clementine in this way, whether or not he was right or wrong when it came to the outcomes, whether or not he performed acts of self-sacrifice, none of these things negates the fact that Kenny was mentally, verbally, and emotionally abusive towards Clementine, nor do they justify the abusive treatment he put her through.
While u may be right. He was only "Abusive" when shit was hitting the fan (getting beaten almost to death, Sarita dyeing, baby being born, G… moreunfight) TBH after all the close ones Kenny lost while all this shit is happening I'm proud at how much he keeps it together my Clementine understood that Kenny was just having a rough time (imo the roughest compared to anyone else in the group) He's harsh in times like this also because he was making decisions that needed to made and he was ultimately correct every time. ANF just proved that Kenny really is a good guy when he's not life's punching bag.
Amen to this! I have reiterated this so often! For a character to divide so many people proves how well written he is. And sadly never again will they create another like him or that has the same impact good or bad
Oh joy this thread's back.
Honestly abusive or not the fact that Kenny can incite such heated debate based on the questionability of his actions alone shows to me what a brilliantly written character he is.
While u may be right. He was only "Abusive" when shit was hitting the fan (getting beaten almost to death, Sarita dyeing, baby being born, G… moreunfight) TBH after all the close ones Kenny lost while all this shit is happening I'm proud at how much he keeps it together my Clementine understood that Kenny was just having a rough time (imo the roughest compared to anyone else in the group) He's harsh in times like this also because he was making decisions that needed to made and he was ultimately correct every time. ANF just proved that Kenny really is a good guy when he's not life's punching bag.
What u said made no sense. You said he wasn't wrong but he made the wrong call. And name another instance in season 2 were he was wrong in a big situation.
I get that he's abusive but all I was saying is for being in a zombie apocalypse with everything going to shit (especially for him) he's causing very minor abuse to the point were for me it's understandable.
The OP asked whether Kenny is abusive to Clementine, and the answer to that question is "yes," as I've explained.
I think people have suc… moreh a difficult time recognizing Kenny's abusive treatment of Clementine because we know he's ultimately a caring person who's willing to sacrifice his own life for her if he has to. But what many people don't understand is that being affectionate, well-intentioned, or even straight-up heroic has absolutely NO bearing on whether or not someone is abusive. As I've stated before, being abusive isn't necessarily the same thing as being a "good" or "bad" person (although abuse, itself, is harmful). Even the most loving parents are capable of regularly abusing their children without even realizing it.
Kenny is one of these "parents." He truly cares about Clementine and genuinely wants what's best for her, but at the same time, the behaviors Kenny displays and the psychologically detrimental situations to wh… [view original content]
I get that he's abusive but all I was saying is for being in a zombie apocalypse with everything going to shit (especially for him) he's causing very minor abuse to the point were for me it's understandable.
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Yes, Kenny is abusive, and not just towards the people he hates/dislikes, but even towards Clementine herself, particularly throughout Season 2. Some people here have done a great job at explaining what abuse is and what constitutes abusive behavior, but I'd like to give some additional information just to reinforce what's already been said.
Yes, Kenny cares deeply about Clementine and Alvin Jr. Yes, Kenny's willing to risk or even sacrifice his own life for their welfare, as well as for Ben's (or Christa's). Yes, he took the blame for Clementine when she stole the walkie-talkie from Carver. And yes, if you choose to leave or even kill Kenny, he will always support you, no matter what. All these things are true.
That being said, none of these things negates Kenny's abusive behaviors, which he consistently displays throughout Season 2. In other words, the fact that Kenny performs all these good deeds and holds all these good intentions in his heart does not mean he isn't abusive -- he is. The examples I'm about to give you highlight what makes Kenny abusive, not necessarily what makes him "good" or "bad." In real life, the person with the purest intentions can still be abusive, no matter how genuine their love or how deep their affections for their victims. In real life, many "overprotective" parents who truly care about their children and truly want what's best for them are, in fact, abusive towards their kids without even realizing it. Furthermore -- and this is important -- abuse does not have to be intended. In other words, whether or not you mean to abuse someone, does not determine whether you're actually abusing them. You can still be abusive without meaning to be abusive, which is the case with many so-called "overprotective" parents. In Clementine's case, she was never physically abused by Kenny, but she WAS mentally, emotionally, and verbally abused by him.
The very act of exposing a child to unhealthy, toxic, or horrific sights and situations is considered abuse, as recognized by modern professional psychological standards. Kenny is abusive to Clementine when he brutally kills Carver and mutilates his face in front of her, because he's exposing Clementine to excessive, shocking, and/or potentially traumatizing violence, which no child should have to witness. Kenny is abusive to Clementine when he excessively beats and verbally abuses and humiliates Arvo in front of her, sometimes even knocking him unconscious (the fact that Arvo eventually shoots Clem does not mean Kenny wasn't abusive towards Clem for hurting Arvo in front of her -- he still was, and needlessly so). Kenny is abusive to Clementine when he perpetrates a needless physical fight with Mike at Howe's. Kenny is abusive to Clementine again when he perpetrates another fight against Jane with the intent of killing her after she provoked him (by law, it's the person who physically attacks first (and not the provoker) who is legally regarded as the perpetrator of the fight, no matter how angry or unstable he/she gets). Kenny is even abusive to Clementine when he loses his temper with Sarita at the lodge in front of Clem, priming Clem's mind to fear and/or anticipate Kenny's explosive nature in any future interaction with herself or with others around her. Even though none of these things are directly aimed at Clementine, Kenny still exposes Clem to unhealthy or toxic situations, creating an atmosphere of anxiousness, fear, or general uneasiness -- these things ARE abuse, even if they're not directly perpetrated against Clementine, herself. That's not simply an opinion. That how abuse is actually defined and recognized by professional standards and real experts working in the fields of psychology or medicine.
Abuse is also professionally recognized when the abuser exerts themselves in a way that makes the victim feel the need to placate them just so they wouldn't go off on everybody around them. In other words, if a person regularly behaves in a way that makes you feel the need to appease them just so they won't go off on you or the people around you, you're being abused. If you consistently feel the need to calm that person down, or prevent them from losing their temper in the first place, you're being abused. If a person constantly makes you feel anxious or fearful that they could, at any moment, lose their cool, you're being abused. And if a person constantly and excessively yells at, insults, beats, or otherwise hurts the people around you, even if it isn't directly aimed at you, then you're being abused (however, Kenny does excessively yell at Clem, only adding to the abuse).
Kenny constantly treats Clementine in this manner throughout Season 2. Whenever he shared his thoughts and ideas for what the group should do, I felt uneasy because I knew that Clementine had to agree with him, or else he had a good chance of going off on her and/or the people around her. And I was right. When I made alternate choices just to see what happens, Kenny does exactly that -- he shames, guilts, and/or yells at Clementine for not agreeing with him, while also going off on other people around her. He constantly tries to alienate Clem in abusive "us versus them" fashion, such as when he yells at Clementine for expressing the opinion that the group should head back south instead of trying to find Wellington ("What was that back there? I expected more outta you, Clem. How could you embarrass me like that?"). Kenny acts as if he's been betrayed that you didn't side with him this time, like you did all the other times (he treats Lee this way, as well). Such emotionally controlling behavior is a characteristic symptom of an abusive relationship.
Furthermore, if a person uses guilt to imply that you're indebted to agree with them, or to suggest that you're ungrateful for disagreeing with them, you're being abused. When Kenny tries to persuade Clementine to side with him in finding Wellington for AJ, he tells Clem in private, "What if Lee hadn't gone tearing across half of Georgia looking for you? A lot of folks died to make that happen." Yes, Kenny meant well, but remember, abuse doesn't care what your heart means. Intentional or not, using guilt in an attempt to persuade someone to see things your way is a form of abuse as well as emotional manipulation, especially when the abuser invokes something as heavy, tragic, and traumatic as the death of a loved one.
And if a person threatens to use physical violence against you even though he/she never actually goes through with it, you're still being abused. Kenny can threaten to slap Clementine if she suggests that perhaps Lee shouldn't have risked his life for her, which is a form of emotional abuse as it breeds a fearful sense of uncertainty of what will happen to her (i.e., the fear of whether or not Kenny would actually go through with his threat and hit Clementine).
Furthermore, just because Kenny apologizes to Clem several times for unintentionally hurting her does NOT mean he's no longer abusive. According to the cycle of abuse, which is a psychological theory that is still regarded as valid by most working professionals today, apologies (even genuine ones) merely perpetuate abusive behaviors, particularly when the abuser doesn't change his/her abusive ways after apologizing. That's exactly the case with Kenny throughout Season 2. He gives a genuine and heartfelt apology for yelling at Clem after Sarita's death/injury (one of many occasions he yells at her), but he still continues to treat Clementine the way he always did -- yelling at her, using guilt in an attempt to persuade her, shaming her when she disagrees, alienating her from everyone else around her, physically endangering her by perpetrating fights, exposing her to excessive violence and verbal abuse, etc.
Now, some people may feel tempted to point to Season 3 as proof that Kenny isn't actually abusive to Clementine, as if that negates his abusive character in Season 2. However, this completely misses the point. Yes, we know NOW that Kenny's no longer abusive, but just because Kenny suddenly and completely changes his abusive personality in Season 3 does not mean he wasn't abusive to Clementine throughout Season 2 -- he was, and regularly so. In fact, for many people who haven't already played/seen ANF yet (either because the game hadn't released yet or because the person simply hasn't gotten the game yet), there's very little reason to believe that Kenny wouldn't continue to perpetuate his abusive behaviors. In other words, Kenny being abusive to Clementine is such a constant and normal part of his character throughout Season 2, that ALL anyone can possibly infer from Season 2 alone is that, whenever Clementine IS with Kenny, he is never able to end his abusive treatment of her or of other people around her (which again, is still regarded as abuse towards Clem herself). In other words, for someone who has absolutely no knowledge of Season 3 and has only played Seasons 1 and 2, it would actually be logically valid for that person to conclude, by inductive reasoning, that Kenny would most likely (although not certainly) continue to perpetuate his abusive treatment of Clementine, having very little chance of breaking the abusive cycle. My point is, regardless of what happens in the brief amount of time we see Kenny in Season 3, Kenny was abusive towards Clementine throughout Season 2, which is what people mean when they point out that Kenny is an abusive character.
Kenny being abusive towards Clementine isn't just an opinion. The behaviors and tendencies displayed by Kenny against Clementine throughout Season 2 are characteristic of real-life, academic and professional descriptions of abuse. Any honest reading of the textbook or clinical literature on abuse will point to the conclusion that Kenny is, in fact, abusive towards Clementine, particularly throughout Season 2.
Nah my dude Wellington is the best ending. Kenny is alive if I pick the Wellington ending happily sailing his boat into the sunset.
Oh Cripes...
i have no doubts this only got bumped to see if they could get people to have a flame war in the comments.
But did you see the s3 flashbacks with Kenny? Hes so happy while taking care of the kids. Its the time of redemption and happiness that he derserved.
And its like Lee said, at least we KNOW what happened to him.
I'd be surprised if no one already shared it, but I'm too lazy to see if anyone did, so; this video sums up Kenny pretty well, just gonna leave it here.
We Don't Talk About Kenny: Telltale's Walking Dead Season 2
I'm glad you mentioned that video. I was actually going to cite it as supplemental evidence for Kenny's abusive personality, but I forgot.
That particular video is actually what first opened my eyes to Kenny abusive relationship with Clementine. As someone who felt strongly attached to Kenny, I don't think I ever would have been convinced he was abusive if I hadn't come across such an articulate and thought-provoking presentation as that video. In fact, the video drove me to read up on abuse because I was hoping I could prove it wrong, or at least convince myself it was exaggerating. Instead, I only discovered more reasons to affirm Kenny's abusive personality, including reasons that weren't even mentioned in the video, which is already compelling enough as it is.
I think deep down, a lot of people feel the abusive tension in the relationship between Kenny and Clementine, but they just don't know how to articulate it. Personally, I was never consciously aware of it, but I'd always felt deep down that there was something uneasy about Kenny's relationship with Clementine, something "wrong" about the way he was treating her. I simply didn't realize it was abuse until I saw the video.
While u may be right. He was only "Abusive" when shit was hitting the fan (getting beaten almost to death, Sarita dyeing, baby being born, Gunfight) TBH after all the close ones Kenny lost while all this shit is happening I'm proud at how much he keeps it together my Clementine understood that Kenny was just having a rough time (imo the roughest compared to anyone else in the group) He's harsh in times like this also because he was making decisions that needed to made and he was ultimately correct every time. ANF just proved that Kenny really is a good guy when he's not life's punching bag.
I wouldn't say that's necessarily a good thing. And I'm know there were times where he wasn't anyway, so whatever.
And this is an important distinction I appreciate someone making for once.
Lying Title is Lying.
In season 2 he was right legit about basically everything the only thing I can think of is when He shot one of Carvers people which ended up killing Walter.
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Why is this thread back?
Kenny haters cream their pants every time this thread is bumped.
Oh joy this thread's back.
Honestly abusive or not the fact that Kenny can incite such heated debate based on the questionability of his actions alone shows to me what a brilliantly written character he is.
Not really.
And that's not him being wrong about something so much as just making the wrong move/call.
The OP asked whether Kenny is abusive to Clementine, and the answer to that question is "yes," as I've explained.
I think people have such a difficult time recognizing Kenny's abusive treatment of Clementine because we know he's ultimately a caring person who's willing to sacrifice his own life for her if he has to. But what many people don't understand is that being affectionate, well-intentioned, or even straight-up heroic has absolutely NO bearing on whether or not someone is abusive. As I've stated before, being abusive isn't necessarily the same thing as being a "good" or "bad" person (although abuse, itself, is harmful). Even the most loving parents are capable of regularly abusing their children without even realizing it.
Kenny is one of these "parents." He truly cares about Clementine and genuinely wants what's best for her, but at the same time, the behaviors Kenny displays and the psychologically detrimental situations to which he subjects Clementine are undeniably consistent with professional descriptions of mental, verbal, and emotional abuse. In other words, whether or not Kenny meant to hurt Clementine in this way, whether or not he was right or wrong when it came to the outcomes, whether or not he performed acts of self-sacrifice, none of these things negates the fact that Kenny was mentally, verbally, and emotionally abusive towards Clementine, nor do they justify the abusive treatment he put her through.
Yes they do! They gather their negativity, rubbing their hands together in glee
Amen to this! I have reiterated this so often! For a character to divide so many people proves how well written he is. And sadly never again will they create another like him or that has the same impact good or bad
Thank you! Well said...
What u said made no sense. You said he wasn't wrong but he made the wrong call. And name another instance in season 2 were he was wrong in a big situation.
I get that he's abusive but all I was saying is for being in a zombie apocalypse with everything going to shit (especially for him) he's causing very minor abuse to the point were for me it's understandable.
Everyone is technically abusive in the apocalypse when you think about it. Those poor abused zombies lol