I don't mean to imply that everyone is stupid. A tad unreasonable maybe but not stupid. It's just a little frustrating to see the forums almost always complaining. It genuinely feels like a lot of people here are never happy, no matter what Telltale does.
Yes, complain that ANF wasn't done right, that's fair and I can't blame you but complaining that another game was done right isn't a fair criticism. I dare say it's outright childish.
Yes, complain that ANF wasn't done right, that's fair and I can't blame you but complaining that another game was done right isn't a fair criticism. I dare say it's outright childish.
And you wanna know the weirdest part? Didn't it feel like at times that Telltale were running out of things/ideas for characters to do in ANF?
Like look at Episode 4:
You are put in a prison cell. You get out the prison cell. You then meet up with everyone. You then go to the armoury and get guns. You get stabbed. You go get healed from getting stabbed. You find out where AJ is. You go back to everyone. You steal a car. You drive to...a place? You have to go to David's execution. You see either Ava/Tripp die. Everything goes to hell and the herd is loose.
Look at Episode 4 of Season 1:
You enter Savannah. You are attacked by zombies. Chuck saves Clementine as you all depart. You find a house. You find a way in the house. You begin checking the house for walkers. You go upstairs and find Kenny. You put down the kid walker. You bury the kid walker and see someone. You and Kenny go find a boat. You see someone coming towards you. You ambush this person. You escape walkers coming to you in a sewer. You find a bunker of people. You go back to your home with a doctor. You find a boat and Clementine. You plan to go to Crawford. You go to Crawford (with or without Clem). You go to get a car battery in Crawford...
And so on and so forth.
Like obviously the episode with a longer length is going to pack some more stuff into it but do you notice a key difference?
A lot of the stuff in Season 1 are a lot more exciting it's a lot more fast paced. Things like "getting stabbed" and whatnot are issues resolved in the next scene, and those are the most exciting things other than Richmond falling apart.
Season 3 was just weirdly paced in so many places and it felt like there wasn't really much worth doing, it felt overly padded.
To be fair, I wouldn't give Telltale credit for those development times. I am horrified by the fact that ideas such as Luke, Alvin, Nick, and Pete being options of who to go with at the end of S2E1 and the Slaughterhouse in S3E1 that are seemingly developed and ready to incorporate in the game are just switched through at the click of a finger weeks before releasing an episode.
is a result of them learning from their mistakes and taking our feedback into consideration
(Assuming TTG doesn't make a game in 5 m… moreonths tops) Batman, Guardians and MCSM were already done being written and in development before ANF probably even started, and already in the middle of development during ANF.
So, answer me this: How could they have incorporated all that feedback from ANF if the games were made practically at the same time?
To be fair, it was fixed for games like Borderlands, Thrones, and Batman Season 1, although I don't know why they regressed with episode length in the case of games like ANF.
To be honest..that really sounds anything but fair to the walking dead fanbase.
To be fair, it was fixed for games like Borderlands, Thrones, and Batman Season 1, although I don't know why they regressed with episode length in the case of games like ANF.
Ya know it's almost as though their Walking Dead game never contributed anything to putting them on the map and getting them noticed by the whole world or anything of that sort. With the very little amount of care or attention it gets compared to other games that might be popular but look to be nowhere near as good in potential for story. Even their game of thrones game as big as it is. I believe isn't better than the TV show like the first Walking Dead game was better than the TV show counterpart. Yet game of thrones game got 6 episodes all around close to 2 hours each.
Only rational conclusion I could come up with is that they either don't really know how to write a good story for Walking Dead nor ask Kirkman for help or just don't care because they personally don't like Walking Dead much like maybe the S1 team could have.
Yeah, I never understood the logic of Telltale. TWD is their biggest game, I'll bet they're developing their new games from TWD S1 money because the new ones were selling terribly. They pretty much took a sh*t on themselves by making ANF one of their worst games. S4 won't be selling good as well as their new Batman. Even the 1st season of Batman was selling bad so why should the 2nd season sell better ?
Making ANF so short and bad was their biggest mistake they made so far. Hopefully S4 will be longer and better, but man.... I don't believe TTG anymore...
Yeah, I never understood the logic of Telltale. TWD is their biggest game, I'll bet they're developing their new games from TWD S1 money bec… moreause the new ones were selling terribly. They pretty much took a sh*t on themselves by making ANF one of their worst games. S4 won't be selling good as well as their new Batman. Even the 1st season of Batman was selling bad so why should the 2nd season sell better ?
Making ANF so short and bad was their biggest mistake they made so far. Hopefully S4 will be longer and better, but man.... I don't believe TTG anymore...
Maybe they just didn't want to do TWD. Because I was blown away by that Batman episode, it's the most exciting episode I've played from any of their games thus far.
Maybe they just didn't want to do TWD. Because I was blown away by that Batman episode, it's the most exciting episode I've played from any of their games thus far.
They even said A New Frontier was going to be their biggest season so far and that's, without a single doubt, one of the worst lies a game company could have said to their fans.
The reviews were little bit over 70% on steam. Which is not too good compared to S1 TWD or TWAU. While I dont know the exact reason, I think its because the Batman was something that people did not really ask for. But thats just my opinion.
I feel as A New Frontier wasn't intended to be a series in its own right and that hurt it.
Javier's story could have been great but I look back at it and all I see is a series setup to get Clementine into a neutral state for her final season.
Yes I am angry about it! I have every right to be! I am not a newcomer and most members on here are not either, we wanted our Season 2 endings to have a satisfactory storyline in Season 3, but just instead we got 5 minute flashbacks which were poorly executed. I payed nearly £30 for 4 short episodes.
As someone who was disappointed by the episode length: meh. I mean what do you want Telltale to do? Purposely cut down the runtime of future… more episodes in other series just so it's fair? ANF is finished, it's in the past now. All we can do is continue to provide feedback and hope that Telltale listens, either that or just ditch TWDG entirely. No point in getting so angry about it.
Yes I am angry about it! I have every right to be! I am not a newcomer and most members on here are not either, we wanted our Season 2 endin… moregs to have a satisfactory storyline in Season 3, but just instead we got 5 minute flashbacks which were poorly executed. I payed nearly £30 for 4 short episodes.
I don't think that would make much of a difference in them reading the thread or not. Chances are they are already aware of the positive feedback of longer episodes if they went out of their way to mention it as a direct marketing point in the Batman Season 2 Ep 1 blog post.
I'm sorry I upset you. You do have every right to be angry at the questionable decisions Telltale has made with A New Frontier. What I meant was there is no point being angry over the other series that came after A New Frontier having the features that we wanted in Season 3, since it's very likely that Telltale decided to take the negative feedback from A New Frontier and used it to improve their other series. I didn't mean there's no point being angry over the horrible quality of Season 3.
Yes I am angry about it! I have every right to be! I am not a newcomer and most members on here are not either, we wanted our Season 2 endin… moregs to have a satisfactory storyline in Season 3, but just instead we got 5 minute flashbacks which were poorly executed. I payed nearly £30 for 4 short episodes.
The reviews were little bit over 70% on steam. Which is not too good compared to S1 TWD or TWAU. While I dont know the exact reason, I think its because the Batman was something that people did not really ask for. But thats just my opinion.
And probably even much better if they actually kept the original dark story they had instead throwing it under the bus because "It wasn't a walking dead story".
Im just mad at the excuse they gave us for cutting so many good things from the story.
"It didn't make an authentic Walking Dead story..."
Yet this is the same series that introduced a king and his pet tiger, a man kissing his walker daughter, a group of people covering themselves with walker skin, and showing a panel with two underage Teens banging each other...
I don't get why people get so mad about this.
It's obvious that Telltale simply messed up in making ANF and what we have now (detail in Gu… moreardians, length in Batman and Minecraft) is a result of them learning from their mistakes and taking our feedback into consideration to make these games better. People say that it's unfair that these new games are better than ANF. That's because this is the future, and that was the past. Telltale has changed. They've improved their game-making skills already and I don't see why you people can't accept it.
Sure, you didn't get it earlier for TWD, but you're getting it now, in some form or another... so please be happy about it.
Yeah, that's my main complaint with the story as well.
If it isn't authentic, then wouldn't we be seeing the same thing over and over again in a story? Things only become "authentic" when used correctly, and are accepted by many.
Telltale could have made that original E3 plot work, and it would have been considered "authentic" by the fans I'm sure. It would have been better than Love Triangle: Family Edition; The Apocalypse Special!
Im just mad at the excuse they gave us for cutting so many good things from the story.
"It didn't make an authentic Walking Dead story...… more"
Yet this is the same series that introduced a king and his pet tiger, a man kissing his walker daughter, a group of people covering themselves with walker skin, and showing a panel with two underage Teens banging each other...
I dont see it as a bad game. All I was trying to say is that the reviews were much worse than TTG other games. 70% is just not something that you would expect from TTG.
Batman was a great series but boy it ran like crap when it launched and I can't help but feel that coloured people's impressions of it.
Still 70% is a pretty good score, it's kind of sad that people are seeing 70% as a bad game.
One of these fine days...we are going learn to what went on behind the scenes during the production of ANF...it may be a very interesting read indeed. But we all know ANF problems...the question...the real good question is have Telltale learned anything from what has to be the biggest debacle in their history. Batman...and I guess MCSM and GotG sorta do prove that Telltale does have the talent to produce really fun games...
...So I am hoping that Clem's last adventure is a very memorable one...and that Bigby's next adventure is as well. I am hopeful...but we shall see.
I think on PC it sold poorly...but on the consoles I think it might have sold ok...just like how MCSM sells better on consoles(that drives me nuts...but it is there)
Yeah, I never understood the logic of Telltale. TWD is their biggest game, I'll bet they're developing their new games from TWD S1 money bec… moreause the new ones were selling terribly. They pretty much took a sh*t on themselves by making ANF one of their worst games. S4 won't be selling good as well as their new Batman. Even the 1st season of Batman was selling bad so why should the 2nd season sell better ?
Making ANF so short and bad was their biggest mistake they made so far. Hopefully S4 will be longer and better, but man.... I don't believe TTG anymore...
Yeah, that's my main complaint with the story as well.
If it isn't authentic, then wouldn't we be seeing the same thing over and over aga… morein in a story? Things only become "authentic" when used correctly, and are accepted by many.
Telltale could have made that original E3 plot work, and it would have been considered "authentic" by the fans I'm sure. It would have been better than Love Triangle: Family Edition; The Apocalypse Special!
As someone who was disappointed by the episode length: meh. I mean what do you want Telltale to do? Purposely cut down the runtime of future… more episodes in other series just so it's fair? ANF is finished, it's in the past now. All we can do is continue to provide feedback and hope that Telltale listens, either that or just ditch TWDG entirely. No point in getting so angry about it.
Batman was a great series but boy it ran like crap when it launched and I can't help but feel that coloured people's impressions of it.
Still 70% is a pretty good score, it's kind of sad that people are seeing 70% as a bad game.
Yea, but the thing is...once The Final Season comes out, many of the issues that people had with A New Frontier won't even matter with the OLD WRITERS making a return. And now that GOTG is out of the way, Telltale now has more WIGGLE room to continue working on The Final Season to make it as good as they possibly can.
Old writers? Only Gary Whitta is returning and he isn’t going to make any difference because like with all their games post 2012, they have 2 to 3 writers per episode and staff will no doubt be working on more than one game at a time where as pre 2013, one writer per episode and one game at a time. Look at the difference in quality? Where has that Telltale gone to? It saddens me but this final season will be just as bad if not worse. I won’t be getting the game...sorry i mean the 90% cutscene episodes anyway
Yea, but the thing is...once The Final Season comes out, many of the issues that people had with A New Frontier won't even matter with the O… moreLD WRITERS making a return. And now that GOTG is out of the way, Telltale now has more WIGGLE room to continue working on The Final Season to make it as good as they possibly can.
I am expecting the premiere episode to be over 2 hours long. But I know Telltale would never do this for The Walking Dead as they are not interested . Telltale got a huge amount of money from Season 1 and spent it on games like Batman, Gaurdians of the Galaxy and Minecraft, not many people play. So why are Telltale not spending enough funds on their beloved Walking Dead Francise, example: ANF!
I am expecting the premiere episode to be over 2 hours long.
You mean it wasn't?
So why are Telltale not spending enough funds on their beloved Walking Dead Francise, example: ANF!
Probably because they've lost much passion and interest in it or at least Clementine over the years.
Well that and the series is bound to be really played out by this point.
I am expecting the premiere episode to be over 2 hours long. But I know Telltale would never do this for The Walking Dead as they are not in… moreterested . Telltale got a huge amount of money from Season 1 and spent it on games like Batman, Gaurdians of the Galaxy and Minecraft, not many people play. So why are Telltale not spending enough funds on their beloved Walking Dead Francise, example: ANF!
I am expecting the premiere episode to be over 2 hours long.
You mean it wasn't?
So why are Telltale not spending enough fund… mores on their beloved Walking Dead Francise, example: ANF!
Probably because they've lost much passion and interest in it or at least Clementine over the years.
Well that and the series is bound to be really played out by this point.
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90% of the displeased fanbase is not as idiotic as you make them out to be.
I don't mean to imply that everyone is stupid. A tad unreasonable maybe but not stupid. It's just a little frustrating to see the forums almost always complaining. It genuinely feels like a lot of people here are never happy, no matter what Telltale does.
Sorry, but I had to split it in two because it was too big.
Let's tone it down fellas, try and not use personal attacks.
In fact, to the entire thread, let's try to be a tad more respectful.
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Everything would have been peaceful if Telltale didn't rush ANF, you know.
And you wanna know the weirdest part? Didn't it feel like at times that Telltale were running out of things/ideas for characters to do in ANF?
Like look at Episode 4:
You are put in a prison cell. You get out the prison cell. You then meet up with everyone. You then go to the armoury and get guns. You get stabbed. You go get healed from getting stabbed. You find out where AJ is. You go back to everyone. You steal a car. You drive to...a place? You have to go to David's execution. You see either Ava/Tripp die. Everything goes to hell and the herd is loose.
Look at Episode 4 of Season 1:
You enter Savannah. You are attacked by zombies. Chuck saves Clementine as you all depart. You find a house. You find a way in the house. You begin checking the house for walkers. You go upstairs and find Kenny. You put down the kid walker. You bury the kid walker and see someone. You and Kenny go find a boat. You see someone coming towards you. You ambush this person. You escape walkers coming to you in a sewer. You find a bunker of people. You go back to your home with a doctor. You find a boat and Clementine. You plan to go to Crawford. You go to Crawford (with or without Clem). You go to get a car battery in Crawford...
And so on and so forth.
Like obviously the episode with a longer length is going to pack some more stuff into it but do you notice a key difference?
A lot of the stuff in Season 1 are a lot more exciting it's a lot more fast paced. Things like "getting stabbed" and whatnot are issues resolved in the next scene, and those are the most exciting things other than Richmond falling apart.
Season 3 was just weirdly paced in so many places and it felt like there wasn't really much worth doing, it felt overly padded.
To be fair, I wouldn't give Telltale credit for those development times. I am horrified by the fact that ideas such as Luke, Alvin, Nick, and Pete being options of who to go with at the end of S2E1 and the Slaughterhouse in S3E1 that are seemingly developed and ready to incorporate in the game are just switched through at the click of a finger weeks before releasing an episode.
Let's just hope telltale learn their lessons from all of this....we have nothing else to do except prey
To be honest..that really sounds anything but fair to the walking dead fanbase.
Ya know it's almost as though their Walking Dead game never contributed anything to putting them on the map and getting them noticed by the whole world or anything of that sort. With the very little amount of care or attention it gets compared to other games that might be popular but look to be nowhere near as good in potential for story. Even their game of thrones game as big as it is. I believe isn't better than the TV show like the first Walking Dead game was better than the TV show counterpart. Yet game of thrones game got 6 episodes all around close to 2 hours each.
Only rational conclusion I could come up with is that they either don't really know how to write a good story for Walking Dead nor ask Kirkman for help or just don't care because they personally don't like Walking Dead much like maybe the S1 team could have.
Yeah, I never understood the logic of Telltale. TWD is their biggest game, I'll bet they're developing their new games from TWD S1 money because the new ones were selling terribly. They pretty much took a sh*t on themselves by making ANF one of their worst games. S4 won't be selling good as well as their new Batman. Even the 1st season of Batman was selling bad so why should the 2nd season sell better ?
Making ANF so short and bad was their biggest mistake they made so far. Hopefully S4 will be longer and better, but man.... I don't believe TTG anymore...
Why? I thought people liked that game?
Maybe they just didn't want to do TWD. Because I was blown away by that Batman episode, it's the most exciting episode I've played from any of their games thus far.
Yeah, I kinda get that vibe myself.
Biggest lie? Look up valves new game reaction. Thousands of people awwed.
The reviews were little bit over 70% on steam. Which is not too good compared to S1 TWD or TWAU. While I dont know the exact reason, I think its because the Batman was something that people did not really ask for. But thats just my opinion.
I feel as A New Frontier wasn't intended to be a series in its own right and that hurt it.
Javier's story could have been great but I look back at it and all I see is a series setup to get Clementine into a neutral state for her final season.
Yes I am angry about it! I have every right to be! I am not a newcomer and most members on here are not either, we wanted our Season 2 endings to have a satisfactory storyline in Season 3, but just instead we got 5 minute flashbacks which were poorly executed. I payed nearly £30 for 4 short episodes.
Can someone tag every Telltale staff on this thread? So it gets their attention and maybe Telltale might make Season 4 episodes longer?
I think discussion will be more constructive if you avoid personal comments like that and take a level-headed approach.
I don't think that would make much of a difference in them reading the thread or not. Chances are they are already aware of the positive feedback of longer episodes if they went out of their way to mention it as a direct marketing point in the Batman Season 2 Ep 1 blog post.
I'm sorry I upset you. You do have every right to be angry at the questionable decisions Telltale has made with A New Frontier. What I meant was there is no point being angry over the other series that came after A New Frontier having the features that we wanted in Season 3, since it's very likely that Telltale decided to take the negative feedback from A New Frontier and used it to improve their other series. I didn't mean there's no point being angry over the horrible quality of Season 3.
Batman was a great series but boy it ran like crap when it launched and I can't help but feel that coloured people's impressions of it.
Still 70% is a pretty good score, it's kind of sad that people are seeing 70% as a bad game.
And probably even much better if they actually kept the original dark story they had instead throwing it under the bus because "It wasn't a walking dead story".
Im just mad at the excuse they gave us for cutting so many good things from the story.
"It didn't make an authentic Walking Dead story..."
Yet this is the same series that introduced a king and his pet tiger, a man kissing his walker daughter, a group of people covering themselves with walker skin, and showing a panel with two underage Teens banging each other...
Yeah, that's my main complaint with the story as well.
If it isn't authentic, then wouldn't we be seeing the same thing over and over again in a story? Things only become "authentic" when used correctly, and are accepted by many.
Telltale could have made that original E3 plot work, and it would have been considered "authentic" by the fans I'm sure. It would have been better than Love Triangle: Family Edition; The Apocalypse Special!
I dont see it as a bad game. All I was trying to say is that the reviews were much worse than TTG other games. 70% is just not something that you would expect from TTG.
One of these fine days...we are going learn to what went on behind the scenes during the production of ANF...it may be a very interesting read indeed. But we all know ANF problems...the question...the real good question is have Telltale learned anything from what has to be the biggest debacle in their history. Batman...and I guess MCSM and GotG sorta do prove that Telltale does have the talent to produce really fun games...
...So I am hoping that Clem's last adventure is a very memorable one...and that Bigby's next adventure is as well. I am hopeful...but we shall see.
I think on PC it sold poorly...but on the consoles I think it might have sold ok...just like how MCSM sells better on consoles(that drives me nuts...but it is there)
What they should do is have Kirkman look over the "story" they wanna take with the season and if he approves they can work on it.
Batman Season 2 episode 3 is around 1 hour and 50 minutes, longer than all of New Frontier’s episodes
Yea. You're right. I mean, why are people even still TALKING about ANF? It was done MONTHS ago. It's over.
I agree to an extent. TT Batman S1 was Pretty good. It was just the bugs that kinda fucked it over.
Cause it's still the freshest in the average person's mind and there are still things that can be constructively criticized and suggested about it.
Yea, but the thing is...once The Final Season comes out, many of the issues that people had with A New Frontier won't even matter with the OLD WRITERS making a return. And now that GOTG is out of the way, Telltale now has more WIGGLE room to continue working on The Final Season to make it as good as they possibly can.
Old writers? Only Gary Whitta is returning and he isn’t going to make any difference because like with all their games post 2012, they have 2 to 3 writers per episode and staff will no doubt be working on more than one game at a time where as pre 2013, one writer per episode and one game at a time. Look at the difference in quality? Where has that Telltale gone to? It saddens me but this final season will be just as bad if not worse. I won’t be getting the game...sorry i mean the 90% cutscene episodes anyway
I am expecting the premiere episode to be over 2 hours long. But I know Telltale would never do this for The Walking Dead as they are not interested
. Telltale got a huge amount of money from Season 1 and spent it on games like Batman, Gaurdians of the Galaxy and Minecraft, not many people play. So why are Telltale not spending enough funds on their beloved Walking Dead Francise, example: ANF!
You mean it wasn't?
Probably because they've lost much passion and interest in it or at least Clementine over the years.
Well that and the series is bound to be really played out by this point.
Do you think they regret aging her up?