And that would be because..?
Not what I asked about, but okay.
What you asked came off as vague and thus your question could … moreof applied to nearly all and any remark I previously made in my wall of text.. so I'd made a guess ( which I shouldn't have to do) that you were asking about the last text in bold about manslaughter..
The entire ending segment was wholly unnecessary, it achieved nothing and in my opinion didn't really end the season well.
Jane deciding to just pretend AJ died to provoke Kenny felt out of character for her, especially considering that she's the one who encourages Clementine to try and put him on the right path and she was only really violent against people who personally hurt her. Not to mention Kenny being overly hot headed, we know that Kenny has a temper but I feel as though they blew it out of proportion just to concoct a last minute rivalry between the two. Honestly, there was no build-up to this rivalry, they barely even spoke to one another until episode 5.
Would it have really been that bad if both Jane and Kenny lived and became the group going into A New Frontier? Kenny is a fan favorite character who cheated death and never really got a good arc past Season 1, plus Jane is a character introduced in Episode 3, only having character development in Episode 4 and 5, she could've used more time to actually have an arc. Their rivalry could've even been one of the sub-plots of ANF.
After playing Mass Effect 2, I've come to like games with choices that have practically the same ending every time over one that has multiple endings with a sequel that fails to really do justice with those endings.
Season 2 could've been great had Nick and Sarah been able to survive till the end, had Jane and Kenny never fought, had Luke never died and the rest of the group left. I found it disappointing the first time around but I wasn't surprised that Clementine ended up practically on her own again, I predicted it but was hoping I'd be wrong.
Thats another thing Season 1 did better, every ending resulted in Lee dead, and Clementine on the run, it meant that there was a strong foundation for continuing the story in season 2, but they utterly missed that opportunity by killing off all survivors 10 minutes into the season
Kenny is a fan favorite character who cheated death and never really got a good arc past Season 1
This is the biggest problem though, He should have never been in season 2 to begin with, he had an amazing character arc in season 1, which culminated in him sacrificing his life for Ben (or Christa or Omid, dont remember who it is if it isnt Ben), they should have left it at that, I get he is a fan favorite, but his arc was completed.
Then they bring him back for season 2, where he takes the spotlight from all the new characters, resulting in a new cast that felt severely underdeveloped, and Kenny getting a story arc that was quite frankly not very good, and very extreme, even with how extreme Kenny has been known to be, season 2 Kenny did not feel much like season 1 kenny past episode 2/3
The entire ending segment was wholly unnecessary, it achieved nothing and in my opinion didn't really end the season well.
Jane deciding … moreto just pretend AJ died to provoke Kenny felt out of character for her, especially considering that she's the one who encourages Clementine to try and put him on the right path and she was only really violent against people who personally hurt her. Not to mention Kenny being overly hot headed, we know that Kenny has a temper but I feel as though they blew it out of proportion just to concoct a last minute rivalry between the two. Honestly, there was no build-up to this rivalry, they barely even spoke to one another until episode 5.
Would it have really been that bad if both Jane and Kenny lived and became the group going into A New Frontier? Kenny is a fan favorite character who cheated death and never really got a good arc past Season 1, plus Jane is a character introduced in Episode 3, only having ch… [view original content]
@The_Great_Fish Thats another thing Season 1 did better, every ending resulted in Lee dead, and Clementine on the run, it meant that there was a strong foundation for continuing the story in season 2, but they utterly missed that opportunity by killing off all survivors 10 minutes into the season
This is the biggest problem though, He should have never been in season 2 to begin with, he had an amazing character arc in season 1, which culminated in him sacrificing his life for Ben (or Christa or Omid, dont remember who it is if it isnt Ben), they should have left it at that, I get he is a fan favorite, but his arc was completed.
Then they bring him back for season 2, where he takes the spotlight from all the new characters, resulting in a new cast that felt severely underdeveloped, and Kenny getting a story arc that was quite frankly not very good, and very extreme, even with how extreme Kenny has been known to be, season 2 Kenny did not feel much like season 1 kenny past episode 2/3
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@RichWalk23 His story in Season 2 is basically a replica of his story in Season 1, except more lazily written, and the negative qualities he displays in Season 1 was amplified to the point where I found him intolerable, and his screen-time over the new cast did not help change my opinion of him.
Thats another thing Season 1 did better, every ending resulted in Lee dead, and Clementine on the run, it meant that there was a strong foun… moredation for continuing the story in season 2, but they utterly missed that opportunity by killing off all survivors 10 minutes into the season
Kenny is a fan favorite character who cheated death and never really got a good arc past Season 1
This is the biggest problem though, He should have never been in season 2 to begin with, he had an amazing character arc in season 1, which culminated in him sacrificing his life for Ben (or Christa or Omid, dont remember who it is if it isnt Ben), they should have left it at that, I get he is a fan favorite, but his arc was completed.
Then they bring him back for season 2, where he takes the spotlight from all the new characters, resulting in a new cast that felt severely underdeveloped, and Kenny getting a story arc that was quite frankly not very goo… [view original content]
and Kenny getting a story arc that was quite frankly not very good, and very extreme, even with how extreme Kenny has been known to be, season 2 Kenny did not feel much like season 1 kenny past episode 2/3
And this is exactly why I also believe that Kenny's return in Season 2 was handled poorly.
His story in Season 2 is basically a replica of his story in Season 1, except more lazily written, and the negative qualities he displays in Season 1 was amplified to the point where I found him intolerable, and his screen-time over the new cast did not help change my opinion of him.
It's a shame, because as you say, Kenny's story in Season 1 felt complete, and at the time I did have a degree of respect and sympathy for him.
Thats another thing Season 1 did better, every ending resulted in Lee dead, and Clementine on the run, it meant that there was a strong foun… moredation for continuing the story in season 2, but they utterly missed that opportunity by killing off all survivors 10 minutes into the season
Kenny is a fan favorite character who cheated death and never really got a good arc past Season 1
This is the biggest problem though, He should have never been in season 2 to begin with, he had an amazing character arc in season 1, which culminated in him sacrificing his life for Ben (or Christa or Omid, dont remember who it is if it isnt Ben), they should have left it at that, I get he is a fan favorite, but his arc was completed.
Then they bring him back for season 2, where he takes the spotlight from all the new characters, resulting in a new cast that felt severely underdeveloped, and Kenny getting a story arc that was quite frankly not very goo… [view original content]
That was actually intended to be about how shooting Eli was manslaughter. I didn't like how that scene was really handled btw. Felt so out of character for Clem after teaching Sarah the safety hazards of a gun and Lee teaching her. Maybe another female Clem's age could of worked like Becca.
That was actually intended to be about how shooting Eli was manslaughter. I didn't like how that scene was really handled btw. Felt so out o… moref character for Clem after teaching Sarah the safety hazards of a gun and Lee teaching her. Maybe another female Clem's age could of worked like Becca.
Yes they badly fucked up. She was literally just there as an extra to be honest. She had no real importance. What i think they should have done is either had her appear briefly in the firet episode just to let us know shes still ok, then leave and the rest of the game focus on Javier or just remove her from the game completely.
What do you think the chances are of Telltale making another walking dead game with a new set of characters starting from the beginning of the apocalypse again?
If you sided with Conrad in Episode 2, Clem is furious with Javier and i think calls him a traitor, yet the following episode it is not EVER… more MENTIONED AGAIN!! She still treats him like he is her best friend! Same as with Episode 4, she gets upset with Javier if he decides not to kill Lingard, yet later she neve refers to it again and still acts the same.
Yeah, this right here is what ruined what amount of toleration I had for ANF!Clementine.
She was fine in the first twoparter since her character derailment into a more unlikable(might not be the right word) person was actually kinda the point and, minus one or two moments where they took it too far( * coughElicough * ), there was actual some purpose to having her exist in that form in what was nomimally Javier's story, some mysterious backstory to be explored(huh--deja vu), and interesting character interaction to be had with Javier, Gabe, Eleanor, and especially Ava and Conrad.
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If they want to retain the license, fairly likely. After all, there's plenty of stories that can be told around that timeframe that doesn't have to include the pre-established major characters. We could get to see different locations, ecosystems, or even countries than we get to see otherwise. And there's no reason some of the more minor/underserved characters couldn't pop up for a bit so we could get a little info on them.
And it's been pretty obvious that they have increasingly little imagination and interest in actually following and focusing on Clementine any longer, pretending they did at least. Cause honestly, it feels like most of the later games(and as far as I can tell, the source material) just kinda devolves into these stories about others settlements, corrupt leaders, and the gratuitous violence/shock value that pops up at least once an episode. And while I personally liked things like The Cabin Group, Stormin' Norma Monroe, and the New Frontier's Council in Richmond, it's pretty apparent that it's one of the ruts Telltale has fallen into in addition to seemingly not really knowing how to resolve those stories without getting herds, overtly corrupt leaders, and/or total destruction involved, with ANF ending with Javier as a potential leader being a small but noticeable change of pace.
If there's anything I could remotely appreciate about the Final Season, it'd be that they try to stray away from just focusing on this one(or two) settlement in favor of going back to the more exploratory Monster of the Week formula Season 1 had. Oh, and not fall back on the same old Fatherhood plotlines with blatant Kenny clones and the Angry Dad Climax yet again--we fuckin get it already!
Yes they badly fucked up. She was literally just there as an extra to be honest. She had no real importance. What i think they should have d… moreone is either had her appear briefly in the firet episode just to let us know shes still ok, then leave and the rest of the game focus on Javier or just remove her from the game completely.
What do you think the chances are of Telltale making another walking dead game with a new set of characters starting from the beginning of the apocalypse again?
That was probably my biggest problem with A New Frontier, way too much focus on one place, as well as tons of characters that already had a preestablished relationship with the protagonist, which is terrible for a game where you are supposed to form your own character
The good bits in season 1 and early season 2 was that character interaction made sense in terms of the story, it was necessary for survival and whatnot, but ANF every character interaction felt very forced, contrived and boring
If they want to retain the license, fairly likely. After all, there's plenty of stories that can be told around that timeframe that doesn't … morehave to include the pre-established major characters. We could get to see different locations, ecosystems, or even countries than we get to see otherwise. And there's no reason some of the more minor/underserved characters couldn't pop up for a bit so we could get a little info on them.
And it's been pretty obvious that they have increasingly little imagination and interest in actually following and focusing on Clementine any longer, pretending they did at least. Cause honestly, it feels like most of the later games(and as far as I can tell, the source material) just kinda devolves into these stories about others settlements, corrupt leaders, and the gratuitous violence/shock value that pops up at least once an episode. And while I personally liked things like The Cabin Group, Stormin' Norma Monroe, an… [view original content]
(Looks around nervously because I freaking loved Season 2 and the fact that it is a totally unforgettable in the plot department because of the fact that it basically treated itself as a slice of life story in the zombie apocalypse by never including a single overarching plot line while also creating the feeling of a full scale, emotion destroying epic that left in us in a point so viciously somber and unfinished that it was completely satisfying. Coughs. Also shadily hides a hat in my pants that says "TWDG S2 Was the BEST Season." Slowly slips out of the room in an awkward fashion.)
Also, I loved the characters in season 2. They felt so realistic to me. They were mentally and emotionally broken and all had their own separate reasons to survive, some of these reasons contrasting each others. In fact, couldn't the antagonist of this season be interpreted to anyone you wanted? Like, I saw Kenny as the antagonist, but I still took his side because of how much I connected emotionally to the character. Couldn't that of also made Clem the antagonist in my play through? This season, in my opinion, was the most beautiful work of fiction I have ever encountered. It was like the episodes were 5 separate unrelated stories that magically formed the game when tied together.
(Looks around nervously because I freaking loved Season 2 and the fact that it is a totally unforgettable in the plot department because of … morethe fact that it basically treated itself as a slice of life story in the zombie apocalypse by never including a single overarching plot line while also creating the feeling of a full scale, emotion destroying epic that left in us in a point so viciously somber and unfinished that it was completely satisfying. Coughs. Also shadily hides a hat in my pants that says "TWDG S2 Was the BEST Season." Slowly slips out of the room in an awkward fashion.)
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Yeah, it was about while killing Kenny/Jane would be manslaughter.
The entire ending segment was wholly unnecessary, it achieved nothing and in my opinion didn't really end the season well.
Jane deciding to just pretend AJ died to provoke Kenny felt out of character for her, especially considering that she's the one who encourages Clementine to try and put him on the right path and she was only really violent against people who personally hurt her. Not to mention Kenny being overly hot headed, we know that Kenny has a temper but I feel as though they blew it out of proportion just to concoct a last minute rivalry between the two. Honestly, there was no build-up to this rivalry, they barely even spoke to one another until episode 5.
Would it have really been that bad if both Jane and Kenny lived and became the group going into A New Frontier? Kenny is a fan favorite character who cheated death and never really got a good arc past Season 1, plus Jane is a character introduced in Episode 3, only having character development in Episode 4 and 5, she could've used more time to actually have an arc. Their rivalry could've even been one of the sub-plots of ANF.
After playing Mass Effect 2, I've come to like games with choices that have practically the same ending every time over one that has multiple endings with a sequel that fails to really do justice with those endings.
Season 2 could've been great had Nick and Sarah been able to survive till the end, had Jane and Kenny never fought, had Luke never died and the rest of the group left. I found it disappointing the first time around but I wasn't surprised that Clementine ended up practically on her own again, I predicted it but was hoping I'd be wrong.
Thats another thing Season 1 did better, every ending resulted in Lee dead, and Clementine on the run, it meant that there was a strong foundation for continuing the story in season 2, but they utterly missed that opportunity by killing off all survivors 10 minutes into the season
This is the biggest problem though, He should have never been in season 2 to begin with, he had an amazing character arc in season 1, which culminated in him sacrificing his life for Ben (or Christa or Omid, dont remember who it is if it isnt Ben), they should have left it at that, I get he is a fan favorite, but his arc was completed.
Then they bring him back for season 2, where he takes the spotlight from all the new characters, resulting in a new cast that felt severely underdeveloped, and Kenny getting a story arc that was quite frankly not very good, and very extreme, even with how extreme Kenny has been known to be, season 2 Kenny did not feel much like season 1 kenny past episode 2/3
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This.
And this is exactly why I also believe that Kenny's return in Season 2 was handled poorly.
His story in Season 2 is basically a replica of his story in Season 1, except more lazily written, and the negative qualities he displays in Season 1 was amplified to the point where I found him intolerable, and his screen-time over the new cast did not help change my opinion of him.
It's a shame, because as you say, Kenny's story in Season 1 felt complete, and at the time I did have a degree of respect and sympathy for him.
That was actually intended to be about how shooting Eli was manslaughter. I didn't like how that scene was really handled btw. Felt so out of character for Clem after teaching Sarah the safety hazards of a gun and Lee teaching her. Maybe another female Clem's age could of worked like Becca.
Hmm, well looking up the definition, I suppose you're right.
That scene is still shit regardless, yes.
Huh. Deja vu....
Yes they badly fucked up. She was literally just there as an extra to be honest. She had no real importance. What i think they should have done is either had her appear briefly in the firet episode just to let us know shes still ok, then leave and the rest of the game focus on Javier or just remove her from the game completely.
What do you think the chances are of Telltale making another walking dead game with a new set of characters starting from the beginning of the apocalypse again?
If they want to retain the license, fairly likely. After all, there's plenty of stories that can be told around that timeframe that doesn't have to include the pre-established major characters. We could get to see different locations, ecosystems, or even countries than we get to see otherwise. And there's no reason some of the more minor/underserved characters couldn't pop up for a bit so we could get a little info on them.
And it's been pretty obvious that they have increasingly little imagination and interest in actually following and focusing on Clementine any longer, pretending they did at least. Cause honestly, it feels like most of the later games(and as far as I can tell, the source material) just kinda devolves into these stories about others settlements, corrupt leaders, and the gratuitous violence/shock value that pops up at least once an episode. And while I personally liked things like The Cabin Group, Stormin' Norma Monroe, and the New Frontier's Council in Richmond, it's pretty apparent that it's one of the ruts Telltale has fallen into in addition to seemingly not really knowing how to resolve those stories without getting herds, overtly corrupt leaders, and/or total destruction involved, with ANF ending with Javier as a potential leader being a small but noticeable change of pace.
If there's anything I could remotely appreciate about the Final Season, it'd be that they try to stray away from just focusing on this one(or two) settlement in favor of going back to the more exploratory Monster of the Week formula Season 1 had. Oh, and not fall back on the same old Fatherhood plotlines with blatant Kenny clones and the Angry Dad Climax yet again--we fuckin get it already!
That was probably my biggest problem with A New Frontier, way too much focus on one place, as well as tons of characters that already had a preestablished relationship with the protagonist, which is terrible for a game where you are supposed to form your own character
The good bits in season 1 and early season 2 was that character interaction made sense in terms of the story, it was necessary for survival and whatnot, but ANF every character interaction felt very forced, contrived and boring
(Looks around nervously because I freaking loved Season 2 and the fact that it is a totally unforgettable in the plot department because of the fact that it basically treated itself as a slice of life story in the zombie apocalypse by never including a single overarching plot line while also creating the feeling of a full scale, emotion destroying epic that left in us in a point so viciously somber and unfinished that it was completely satisfying. Coughs. Also shadily hides a hat in my pants that says "TWDG S2 Was the BEST Season." Slowly slips out of the room in an awkward fashion.)
Also, I loved the characters in season 2. They felt so realistic to me. They were mentally and emotionally broken and all had their own separate reasons to survive, some of these reasons contrasting each others. In fact, couldn't the antagonist of this season be interpreted to anyone you wanted? Like, I saw Kenny as the antagonist, but I still took his side because of how much I connected emotionally to the character. Couldn't that of also made Clem the antagonist in my play through? This season, in my opinion, was the most beautiful work of fiction I have ever encountered. It was like the episodes were 5 separate unrelated stories that magically formed the game when tied together.