I'm having some trouble finding the source but iirc it was a staff member on the forums who mentioned that a walker-fighting bear was originally going to save Clementine in episode 4 when she is escaping Howe's.
I have seen god knows how many scrapped files but I have never heard of a scrapped bear. Maybe I forgot. Maybe this has to do with the scrapped zoo files? Can you link me where you saw this?
The idea of people turning to walkers is a fantasy in its own self so how come it's unrealistic for clem to have a tiger? People forget what they're into sometimes...
Ok, now that it has been an entire day (for me at least) I have checked the scores and so far we have 7 to 1. So I’m gonna say this as calmly as possible... loud minority my ass and I was right ? Shiva is great and should be the next president
Hold your horses. You surveyed literally around 20 people in a specific forum which is bound to have a bit of mob mentality... That's hardly representative of the fanbase's opinion.
Shiva is unrealistic in many ways. That is not up for debate. Tigers are erratic animals, even if by some chance it never attacked Ezekiel, it would've at least attacked any other strangers who ever got around her (unless this wild animal was also magically able to get comfortable around the countless strangers in The Kingdom). Furthermore the beast conveniently only ever attacked the bad guys by magic. It's extremely unrealistic and for those who like their stories with at least a little drop of realism and groundedness, it's an extremely immersion breaking, cringy and shallow addition to a story. Its purpose is to put all the fanboys' panties on fire. It's a distraction tactic, people see all these "badass" moments, go all "woahhh" so they give no shits whether the plot has any effort or complexity put into it.
Ok, now that it has been an entire day (for me at least) I have checked the scores and so far we have 7 to 1. So I’m gonna say this as calmly as possible... loud minority my ass and I was right ? Shiva is great and should be the next president
Lol the "well zombies arent real!" argument is so dry and done with
This ZA is presumably caused by some kind of virus. It's not magical, it's not a curse, it's not caused by aliens, it's caused by a virus/outbreak which is a real thing. The walking dead's zombies are retarded cause kirkman doesnt even have an explanation for it, but most people dont need one. There are literally Cordyceps that exist in the jungle which control the brains of insects to kill its own colony. This fungus just hasn't had much exposure to humans, yet. Blah blah "yeah but its only on bugs not humans"
Alessandro Piccato: “it could be very likely to happen but certainly nowhere near our lifetime...it takes years for something like that to evolve and infect humans too…”
Tiffany Anderson: “Like almost anything, it COULD happen, but then again, anything could happen, so why limit it to that? If it were to mutate, it would exhibit the same symptoms in the human hosts as the animal hosts, it would infect people just as fast as it would infect animals.
In case you didnt know, TLOU is based on this. This is one of the reasons TLOU is probably one of the most successful and highest rated games. It's realistic.
But that's besides the point. The reason people are so interested in zombie media is because its the realist thing to a fictional event. Aliens? Eh. Vampires? Eh. Werewolves? Eh. They're not closest to a real thing.
Why has The Walking Dead been so successful? Because (at least from the beginning) it strives to be realistic. No huge titty woman running around with flame throwers fucking up zombies, it was realistic. That was why people watched it.
Bring in a tiger who somehow knows what to attack when you speak to it in ENGLISH? Not realistic. Did you know tigers are the 6th strongest mammal in the world? Fuck it, lets bring in a tiger who somehow gets overpowered by 5 dumb slow moving zombies. Not realistic.
The idea of people turning to walkers is a fantasy in its own self so how come it's unrealistic for clem to have a tiger? People forget what they're into sometimes...
Ok, now that it has been an entire day (for me at least) I have checked the scores and so far we have 7 to 1. So I’m gonna say this as calmly as possible... loud minority my ass and I was right ? Shiva is great and should be the next president
I'm surprised they didn't film the king telling the tiger "HEY GO ATTACK NEGAN CAUSE HES ABOUT TO KILL CARL" and have the tiger roar back to him as if replying hahahaha.
Also not to mention, not a single one of Negan's men thought to shoot Shiva. Such a joke of a show.
Hold your horses. You surveyed literally around 20 people in a specific forum which is bound to have a bit of mob mentality... That's hardly… more representative of the fanbase's opinion.
Shiva is unrealistic in many ways. That is not up for debate. Tigers are erratic animals, even if by some chance it never attacked Ezekiel, it would've at least attacked any other strangers who ever got around her (unless this wild animal was also magically able to get comfortable around the countless strangers in The Kingdom). Furthermore the beast conveniently only ever attacked the bad guys by magic. It's extremely unrealistic and for those who like their stories with at least a little drop of realism and groundedness, it's an extremely immersion breaking, cringy and shallow addition to a story. Its purpose is to put all the fanboys' panties on fire. It's a distraction tactic, people see all these "badass" moments, go all "woahhh" so they give no shits whether the plot has any effort or complexity put into it.
I didn’t say that I’ve concluded the survey, I only said I’ve rounding up th scores because the day for me is coming to an end and I am going to round them up again tomorrow, and maybe the day after that. And you know people around here, mostly dislike everything and do give some harsh and sometimes valid criticisms and it seems like most people here are liking shiva, which is a sign.
Shiva was trained by Ezekiel, this is realistic. Like I said before, there are many instances of people owning pet tigers, and they are completely docile to anyone who is near that tiger. And who cares about realism even if it wasn’t? We play a game where dead people come back to life and eat people, killing people only by biting them who whatever unknown reason.
Like @Wiso2kinfinity said, it’s like people forget about what they are into. And the walking dead is not, in any way shape or form about realism, even though owning docile pet tigers is not unrealistic at all.
Hold your horses. You surveyed literally around 20 people in a specific forum which is bound to have a bit of mob mentality... That's hardly… more representative of the fanbase's opinion.
Shiva is unrealistic in many ways. That is not up for debate. Tigers are erratic animals, even if by some chance it never attacked Ezekiel, it would've at least attacked any other strangers who ever got around her (unless this wild animal was also magically able to get comfortable around the countless strangers in The Kingdom). Furthermore the beast conveniently only ever attacked the bad guys by magic. It's extremely unrealistic and for those who like their stories with at least a little drop of realism and groundedness, it's an extremely immersion breaking, cringy and shallow addition to a story. Its purpose is to put all the fanboys' panties on fire. It's a distraction tactic, people see all these "badass" moments, go all "woahhh" so they give no shits whether the plot has any effort or complexity put into it.
I didn’t say that I’ve concluded the survey, I only said I’ve rounding up th scores because the day for me is coming to an end and I am goin… moreg to round them up again tomorrow, and maybe the day after that. And you know people around here, mostly dislike everything and do give some harsh and sometimes valid criticisms and it seems like most people here are liking shiva, which is a sign.
Shiva was trained by Ezekiel, this is realistic. Like I said before, there are many instances of people owning pet tigers, and they are completely docile to anyone who is near that tiger. And who cares about realism even if it wasn’t? We play a game where dead people come back to life and eat people, killing people only by biting them who whatever unknown reason.
Like @Wiso2kinfinity said, it’s like people forget about what they are into. And the walking dead is not, in any way shape or form about realism, even though owning docile pet tigers is not unrealistic at all.
If you would have actually read my comment, I said that it is the end of the day for me and I am about to go to bed so I am going to stop checking, record the results FOR TODAY, and I am going to go through them tomorrow and possibly the day after that to see if there are any changes. Sooooo good luck in the real world, the ability to read things without making a mistake is a huge skill that everyone needs to have.
And so far, my point is proven seeing as you said a loud minority, but so far it seems like it’s going in the opposite direction to what you stated, giving a clear indication that even if we do wait, I will still be right about Shiva having more lovers than haters.
Anyone watching the show who has a brain would understand that zombies are not realistic, then smh ?♂️ The walking dead is not a show for realism, so even if Shiva wasn’t realistic, which she really is, it wouldn’t matter anyway cos it is a fictional world about dead people eating everything
Making the strawpoll is completely pointless to begin with. You got probably 15 people at most viewing this thread out of the thousands of people who view this show.
If you would have actually read my comment, I said that it is the end of the day for me and I am about to go to bed so I am going to stop ch… moreecking, record the results FOR TODAY, and I am going to go through them tomorrow and possibly the day after that to see if there are any changes. Sooooo good luck in the real world, the ability to read things without making a mistake is a huge skill that everyone needs to have.
And so far, my point is proven seeing as you said a loud minority, but so far it seems like it’s going in the opposite direction to what you stated, giving a clear indication that even if we do wait, I will still be right about Shiva having more lovers than haters.
Sigh. People watch the show because the way people act in a situation like that is realistic. They don't run around with infinite bullets blasting zombie heads with grenade launchers.
As quoted from an article that talks about realism in the walking dead:
"First - let me clarify the question: I am not asking if Zombies are realistic, or if particular situations are realistic - I allow much room for creative licensing here. My question has more to do with the world and reality that has ensued in the aftermath of what happened.
Given that we accept that the zombie apocalypse happened in a manner similar to the way it happened in The Walking Dead; is the reality faced by the survivors realistically portrayed?"
With that said, it's preferred that the characters don't have tigers that follow their every command for the sake of the plot. Any sane (enough) person in the ZA would run the fuck away from a tiger in an instant, and think the guy with the tiger is a crazy lunatic who will get mauled.
Anyone who truly thinks the tiger was some totally rad idea completely misses the soul purpose of what the show is supposed to be.
Anyone watching the show who has a brain would understand that zombies are not realistic, then smh ?♂️ The walking dead is not a show for r… moreealism, so even if Shiva wasn’t realistic, which she really is, it wouldn’t matter anyway cos it is a fictional world about dead people eating everything
Shiva was introduced in the comics and was brought over to the show to connect the stories, so it isn’t the show’s doing, introducing shiva, it was the comic’s
Anyone who truly thinks the tiger was some totally rad idea completely misses the soul purpose of what the show is supposed to be
Behold... the power of opinions, everyone has one. If everyone was forced to view the same way then pretty much the entire world would be North Korea rn.
Also about the infinite bullets thing...
Plus, people wouldn’t be able to react exactly like they do in the tv show at all for many reasons.
1. Gasoline doesn’t last forever so it is impossible to even own cars in the walking dead, so when they use vehicles for supply runs then that should just be impossible.
2. When they eat canned food, chances are it’s most likely going to be off, especially in the places they find them so you’d expect them to at least do some throwing up even if they were stupid enough to eat food like that.
3. This one isn’t linked to real life, but in “the walking dead’s own world of realism” michonne having zombies chained up to help her navigate through herds untouched doesn’t make sense at all. You have like 2 zombies right next to you, with no guts smeared on you, so by that logic it should be possible to walk through whole herds without even being touched.
4. Ammo also runs out, and would be extremely hard to come by, they shouldn’t be finding any as easy as they do.
5. This on isn’t a tv show logic but the comics still count. In one of the most recent issues, negan wraps barbwire around a new bat, easy peasy lemon squeazy. But it isn’t that simp,e to put barbed wire on a baseball bat! Totally unrealistic
6. Finally, to avoid this list dragging on, performing surgery on an infected person’s leg, without any knowledge of how to perform such acts, with barely any medical equipment is also suppeerrr unrealistic.
So in short, the walking dead is not realistic, and was never intended to be, so I wouldn’t plan on watching it to learn about how to survive a zombie apocalypse
Now I made a promise not to go into deep arguments or anything so I’m gonnnaaa like stop replying... btw pls stop being judgemental and telling people to stop liking what they like, it really puts me down
Sigh. People watch the show because the way people act in a situation like that is realistic. They don't run around with infinite bullets … moreblasting zombie heads with grenade launchers.
As quoted from an article that talks about realism in the walking dead:
"First - let me clarify the question: I am not asking if Zombies are realistic, or if particular situations are realistic - I allow much room for creative licensing here. My question has more to do with the world and reality that has ensued in the aftermath of what happened.
Given that we accept that the zombie apocalypse happened in a manner similar to the way it happened in The Walking Dead; is the reality faced by the survivors realistically portrayed?"
With that said, it's preferred that the characters don't have tigers that follow their every command for the sake of the plot. Any sane (enough) person in the ZA would run the fuck away from a tiger in an instant, and think the… [view original content]
The reason the comics didnt get this criticism is because the comics have a MUCH smaller fan base than the show, especially back when there were only comics and not a show.
to keep the stories connected
They're not hardly connected anymore and they haven't been for a while. So that's not an excuse.
Shiva was introduced in the comics and was brought over to the show to connect the stories, so it isn’t the show’s doing, introducing shiva,… more it was the comic’s
Anyone who truly thinks the tiger was some totally rad idea completely misses the soul purpose of what the show is supposed to be
Behold... the power of opinions, everyone has one. If everyone was forced to view the same way then pretty much the entire world would be North Korea rn.
Also about the infinite bullets thing...
Plus, people wouldn’t be able to react exactly like they do in the tv show at all for many reasons.
1. Gasoline doesn’t last forever so it is impossible to even own cars in the walking dead, so when they use vehicles for supply runs then that should just be impossible.
2. When they eat canned food, chances are it’s most likely going to be off, especially in the places they find them so you’d expect them to at least do some throwing up even if th… [view original content]
It would be cool to see a character that has a well trained dog or something but I hope they focus more on the human characters. The dog scene in season 2 was actualy done quite well but I found it ridiculous how much love that dog got from the fans. Please no crazy animal duo though the whole tiger thing was cool but it was unrealistic. You can train a tiger to be loyal if you get it at a young age but if it is starving its instincs will take over and would turn on you. How on earth does Shiva always know who the bad guys are and doesn't get them confused with the good guys. Tigers aren't stupid creatures but they are not at that level of intelligence. The way the tiger is intelligent enough to sacrifice itself for Ezekial made for a good scene but was also pretty cheesy at the same time. People always make the whole zombies are unrealistic claim in defense to comments like this, which is 100% true but Walking Dead is not supposed to be a fantasy story the walkers are the only thing of nature that has been altered from reality. Fun Fact: I don't know if this is true or not but I have heard from several sources none of which are reliable but never the less I have heard it and if it is true I am glad telltale scrapped it. In season 1 telltale was considering having a character that had a trained tiger and this was before Ezekial was introduced in the comics. Ultimately they thought that it was too unrealistic so they scrapped it. If this rumor is true telltale made a good choice by scrapping this concept and avoided ruining their masterpiece of a game, season 1.
I hope they don't pull any bull crap choices that involve saving a human life or an animal life. I can already hear all of the haters I am going to get for understanding this but a human life is infinitely more valuable than an animal life. Human's are sentient creatures and have the potential to live over twice the years of most animals and can make much more of a difference in their lifetime. It is only natural that we should look out for our own species first. I hope they don't waste their resources in a stupid attempt to make a tough choice regarding the well being of an animal and a human character when that could be spent on a choice between two human characters that are actualy able to talk and have their own opinions producing at least a slight impact on the story. I usualy am all about people making their own choices but if you choose to save a dog or any other animal over a human toddler you deserve to rot in hell.
Exactly. A tiger would be a jump the shark moment if introduced to the game. And at least in the comics Shiva sort of made sense because Ezekiel was a zookeeper and managed to save the tiger from starving to death at the zoo. They were all they had left but it still got ridiculous at times.
Hipster haircut Clementine somehow taming a tiger (let alone finding one in rural America) would make me rage quit the series.
Lol the "well zombies arent real!" argument is so dry and done with
This ZA is presumably caused by some kind of virus. It's not magical… more, it's not a curse, it's not caused by aliens, it's caused by a virus/outbreak which is a real thing. The walking dead's zombies are retarded cause kirkman doesnt even have an explanation for it, but most people dont need one. There are literally Cordyceps that exist in the jungle which control the brains of insects to kill its own colony. This fungus just hasn't had much exposure to humans, yet. Blah blah "yeah but its only on bugs not humans"
Alessandro Piccato: “it could be very likely to happen but certainly nowhere near our lifetime...it takes years for something like that to evolve and infect humans too…”
Tiffany Anderson: “Like almost anything, it COULD happen, but then again, anything could happen, so why limit it to that? If it were to mutate, it would exhibit the same symptoms in t… [view original content]
I wouldn't mind if they introduced wild hogs/boars into TWD. They could be used for finding food in the wild and can be used as an early war… morening for danger. And I've heard they're very hardy and durable creatures. It seems like even today, with humans hunting them to keep their numbers down, they are spreading quick throughout the US. In a apocalyptic situation, their numbers would only explode.
And if you doubt their durability, here's one that was able to hold its own against a Tiger, with the tiger having the size advantage and already having its teeth around the boar's neck.
(Spoiler)
I would LOVE for there to be a moment where Clem meets someone and they have a dog.
New Guy: Hey there kid. You ok?
Clem: Yeah, I'm fin… moree just...
New Guy's Dog: growls to defend owner
Clem: (backing away slowly) I'm just... gonna leave now...
New Guy: Oh this is just Betsy. She don't bite.
Clem: Dogs have teeth. Teeth bite. I'll pass. (still backing away)
New Guy: Oh come on. She's friendly. Just let her smell you and...
Clem: (showing scar on arm while STILL moving backwards and displaying that lovely temper) DOES IT LOOK LIKE I WANNA PET YOUR F###ING DOG!?!?
New Guy's Dog: (growls louder)
New Guy: Alright right! Alright right. Sheesh. You ain't gotta be rude about it.
Clem: (to herself she feels bad now) Thanks for the temper Kenny/Jane...
Making the strawpoll is completely pointless to begin with. You got probably 15 people at most viewing this thread out of the thousands of people who view this show.
Y'all experts on tigers or what? Just because something isn't realistic or probable, it doesn't mean it couldn't happen at least once. Who gives a shit about how low the chances of it are, if it's cool and unique people will love it. We're not gonna see another fucking tiger show up anyway, it's probably some dog or wolf or cat or whatever.
Suspension of belief regarding a setting or premise can be had depending on how strong the characters in the story are. You have to keep them grounded in order to pull this off. I can buy an insufferable douchebag in a leather jacket who goes around hitting jukeboxes and saying "ehhhhh" is probably the coolest person in a small town, and wouldn't get punched in the face everyday by everyone. When he gets on some jet skis and jumps over a shark, that's when you hit wtf territory.
How does Shiva know only to maul the Saviors when she's let loose in a crowd of people?
Why a tiger? I don't know if you hear thousands of stories of any big cats forming a bond with a human, but when you do it's usually a lion. Most big cats are not social creatures, only mingling with their own for the purpose of mating or raising cubs, and in those situations it's only until the interactions are no longer necessary. Think I've heard about a cheetah before, but its usually lions. Shoulda been a lion.
Either way, no more tigers. Maybe she finds that raccoon or something. Or this doesn't happen. I'd be good with either.
My point was not to prove that the entire fan base hated the tiger, the point was that the tiger was the furthest thing from realistic, and to think that a tiger would really do anything that shiva did is nonesense
Just because something isn't realistic or probable, it doesn't mean it couldn't happen at least once. Who gives a shit about how low the chances of it are, if it's cool and unique people will love it.
No one has made a show about zombies flying around on jetpacks. But you dont see TWD doing that because it's unrealistic and not what the show was set out to be from the start.
That kinda made me think that you were trying to say that the minority of fans liked Shiva.
And Tigers can be tamed. Think of her like a circus tiger, she’ll do anything as long as she is treated properly and is trained enough
My point was not to prove that the entire fan base hated the tiger, the point was that the tiger was the furthest thing from realistic, and … moreto think that a tiger would really do anything that shiva did is nonesense
Just because something isn't realistic or probable, it doesn't mean it couldn't happen at least once. Who gives a shit about how low the chances of it are, if it's cool and unique people will love it.
No one has made a show about zombies flying around on jetpacks. But you dont see TWD doing that because it's unrealistic and not what the show was set out to be from the start.
Suspension of belief regarding a setting or premise can be had depending on how strong the characters in the story are. You have to keep them grounded in order to pull this off.
Exactly
Having a tiger in the community who often is feared by the community due to it being a beast, it's temperamental and sometimes goes against what the king wants, but sometimes achieving what needs to be done would be more realistic.
Having a tiger obey your every command and somehow read your mind or understand when you tell it who to attack? Then for it to somehow be eaten by 5 dumb slow moving zombies? Not realistic and breaks immersion.
Well, this went places. Couple of things.
Suspension of belief regarding a setting or premise can be had depending on how strong the char… moreacters in the story are. You have to keep them grounded in order to pull this off. I can buy an insufferable douchebag in a leather jacket who goes around hitting jukeboxes and saying "ehhhhh" is probably the coolest person in a small town, and wouldn't get punched in the face everyday by everyone. When he gets on some jet skis and jumps over a shark, that's when you hit wtf territory.
How does Shiva know only to maul the Saviors when she's let loose in a crowd of people?
Why a tiger? I don't know if you hear thousands of stories of any big cats forming a bond with a human, but when you do it's usually a lion. Most big cats are not social creatures, only mingling with their own for the purpose of mating or raising cubs, and in those situations it's only until the interactions are no longer necessary… [view original content]
Y'all experts on tigers or what? Just because something isn't realistic or probable, it doesn't mean it couldn't happen at least once. Who g… moreives a shit about how low the chances of it are, if it's cool and unique people will love it. We're not gonna see another fucking tiger show up anyway, it's probably some dog or wolf or cat or whatever.
Just that Shiva didn’t die by 5 dumb slow moving zombies, she was killed by about 10-15 dumb slow moving zombies, who were moving from every direction towards her. Besides, it’s not hard to figure out that she died as a distraction so that Ezekiel could escape without drawing any attention, shiva didn’t just die, her death was a sacrifice.
Suspension of belief regarding a setting or premise can be had depending on how strong the characters in the story are. You have to keep the… morem grounded in order to pull this off.
Exactly
Having a tiger in the community who often is feared by the community due to it being a beast, it's temperamental and sometimes goes against what the king wants, but sometimes achieving what needs to be done would be more realistic.
Having a tiger obey your every command and somehow read your mind or understand when you tell it who to attack? Then for it to somehow be eaten by 5 dumb slow moving zombies? Not realistic and breaks immersion.
Just that Shiva didn’t die by 5 dumb slow moving zombies, she was killed by about 10-15 dumb slow moving zombies, who were moving from every… more direction towards her. Besides, it’s not hard to figure out that she died as a distraction so that Ezekiel could escape without drawing any attention, shiva didn’t just die, her death was a sacrifice.
Tigers can jump 30 feet and according to a study, not even 50 (unarmed) men at the same time could take down a tiger.
Her death was unrealistic, bad writing and plain fucking stupid.
Tigers can jump 30 feet and according to a study, not even 50 (unarmed) men at the same time could take down a tiger.
Her death was unrealistic, bad writing and plain fucking stupid.
As Clementine has spent so much time on the road in season 4 she will get over her fear of dogs, get a dog companion and become the next road warrior.
Please forgive my shitty photoshop skills as this ony took me two minutes.
I wonder if it will be one of the rejected horses that were replaced in From the Gallows. Clem having a horse with glitchy teleporting powers would be awesome!
I wonder if it will be one of the rejected horses that were replaced in From the Gallows. Clem having a horse with glitchy teleporting powers would be awesome!
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I'm having some trouble finding the source but iirc it was a staff member on the forums who mentioned that a walker-fighting bear was originally going to save Clementine in episode 4 when she is escaping Howe's.
I also saw it too @VengefulKenny
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Heck Yeah!!
an animal....jesus...please no pets,no animals...give me at least a chance to like the game xD
Ok, now that it has been an entire day (for me at least) I have checked the scores and so far we have 7 to 1. So I’m gonna say this as calmly as possible... loud minority my ass and I was right ? Shiva is great and should be the next president
The biggest drop in the TV's ratings in the last 6 years.
Hold your horses. You surveyed literally around 20 people in a specific forum which is bound to have a bit of mob mentality... That's hardly representative of the fanbase's opinion.
Shiva is unrealistic in many ways. That is not up for debate. Tigers are erratic animals, even if by some chance it never attacked Ezekiel, it would've at least attacked any other strangers who ever got around her (unless this wild animal was also magically able to get comfortable around the countless strangers in The Kingdom). Furthermore the beast conveniently only ever attacked the bad guys by magic. It's extremely unrealistic and for those who like their stories with at least a little drop of realism and groundedness, it's an extremely immersion breaking, cringy and shallow addition to a story. Its purpose is to put all the fanboys' panties on fire. It's a distraction tactic, people see all these "badass" moments, go all "woahhh" so they give no shits whether the plot has any effort or complexity put into it.
Lol the "well zombies arent real!" argument is so dry and done with
This ZA is presumably caused by some kind of virus. It's not magical, it's not a curse, it's not caused by aliens, it's caused by a virus/outbreak which is a real thing. The walking dead's zombies are retarded cause kirkman doesnt even have an explanation for it, but most people dont need one. There are literally Cordyceps that exist in the jungle which control the brains of insects to kill its own colony. This fungus just hasn't had much exposure to humans, yet. Blah blah "yeah but its only on bugs not humans"
In case you didnt know, TLOU is based on this. This is one of the reasons TLOU is probably one of the most successful and highest rated games. It's realistic.
But that's besides the point. The reason people are so interested in zombie media is because its the realist thing to a fictional event. Aliens? Eh. Vampires? Eh. Werewolves? Eh. They're not closest to a real thing.
Why has The Walking Dead been so successful? Because (at least from the beginning) it strives to be realistic. No huge titty woman running around with flame throwers fucking up zombies, it was realistic. That was why people watched it.
Bring in a tiger who somehow knows what to attack when you speak to it in ENGLISH? Not realistic. Did you know tigers are the 6th strongest mammal in the world? Fuck it, lets bring in a tiger who somehow gets overpowered by 5 dumb slow moving zombies. Not realistic.
If you think posting a strawpoll on the internet for 24 hours proves a point, good luck in the real world.
Lmfao, exactly, this.
I'm surprised they didn't film the king telling the tiger "HEY GO ATTACK NEGAN CAUSE HES ABOUT TO KILL CARL" and have the tiger roar back to him as if replying hahahaha.
Also not to mention, not a single one of Negan's men thought to shoot Shiva. Such a joke of a show.
I didn’t say that I’ve concluded the survey, I only said I’ve rounding up th scores because the day for me is coming to an end and I am going to round them up again tomorrow, and maybe the day after that. And you know people around here, mostly dislike everything and do give some harsh and sometimes valid criticisms and it seems like most people here are liking shiva, which is a sign.
Shiva was trained by Ezekiel, this is realistic. Like I said before, there are many instances of people owning pet tigers, and they are completely docile to anyone who is near that tiger. And who cares about realism even if it wasn’t? We play a game where dead people come back to life and eat people, killing people only by biting them who whatever unknown reason.
Like @Wiso2kinfinity said, it’s like people forget about what they are into. And the walking dead is not, in any way shape or form about realism, even though owning docile pet tigers is not unrealistic at all.
yes, because a random dude somehow knows how to train a tiger.
anyone watching this show who has a brain
If you would have actually read my comment, I said that it is the end of the day for me and I am about to go to bed so I am going to stop checking, record the results FOR TODAY, and I am going to go through them tomorrow and possibly the day after that to see if there are any changes. Sooooo good luck in the real world, the ability to read things without making a mistake is a huge skill that everyone needs to have.
And so far, my point is proven seeing as you said a loud minority, but so far it seems like it’s going in the opposite direction to what you stated, giving a clear indication that even if we do wait, I will still be right about Shiva having more lovers than haters.
Anyone watching the show who has a brain would understand that zombies are not realistic, then smh ?♂️ The walking dead is not a show for realism, so even if Shiva wasn’t realistic, which she really is, it wouldn’t matter anyway cos it is a fictional world about dead people eating everything
Making the strawpoll is completely pointless to begin with. You got probably 15 people at most viewing this thread out of the thousands of people who view this show.
Sigh. People watch the show because the way people act in a situation like that is realistic. They don't run around with infinite bullets blasting zombie heads with grenade launchers.
As quoted from an article that talks about realism in the walking dead:
"First - let me clarify the question: I am not asking if Zombies are realistic, or if particular situations are realistic - I allow much room for creative licensing here. My question has more to do with the world and reality that has ensued in the aftermath of what happened.
Given that we accept that the zombie apocalypse happened in a manner similar to the way it happened in The Walking Dead; is the reality faced by the survivors realistically portrayed?"
With that said, it's preferred that the characters don't have tigers that follow their every command for the sake of the plot. Any sane (enough) person in the ZA would run the fuck away from a tiger in an instant, and think the guy with the tiger is a crazy lunatic who will get mauled.
Anyone who truly thinks the tiger was some totally rad idea completely misses the soul purpose of what the show is supposed to be.
Shiva was introduced in the comics and was brought over to the show to connect the stories, so it isn’t the show’s doing, introducing shiva, it was the comic’s
Behold... the power of opinions, everyone has one. If everyone was forced to view the same way then pretty much the entire world would be North Korea rn.
Also about the infinite bullets thing...
Plus, people wouldn’t be able to react exactly like they do in the tv show at all for many reasons.
1. Gasoline doesn’t last forever so it is impossible to even own cars in the walking dead, so when they use vehicles for supply runs then that should just be impossible.
2. When they eat canned food, chances are it’s most likely going to be off, especially in the places they find them so you’d expect them to at least do some throwing up even if they were stupid enough to eat food like that.
3. This one isn’t linked to real life, but in “the walking dead’s own world of realism” michonne having zombies chained up to help her navigate through herds untouched doesn’t make sense at all. You have like 2 zombies right next to you, with no guts smeared on you, so by that logic it should be possible to walk through whole herds without even being touched.
4. Ammo also runs out, and would be extremely hard to come by, they shouldn’t be finding any as easy as they do.
5. This on isn’t a tv show logic but the comics still count. In one of the most recent issues, negan wraps barbwire around a new bat, easy peasy lemon squeazy. But it isn’t that simp,e to put barbed wire on a baseball bat! Totally unrealistic
6. Finally, to avoid this list dragging on, performing surgery on an infected person’s leg, without any knowledge of how to perform such acts, with barely any medical equipment is also suppeerrr unrealistic.
So in short, the walking dead is not realistic, and was never intended to be, so I wouldn’t plan on watching it to learn about how to survive a zombie apocalypse
Now I made a promise not to go into deep arguments or anything so I’m gonnnaaa like stop replying... btw pls stop being judgemental and telling people to stop liking what they like, it really puts me down
I read the comics, I know.
The reason the comics didnt get this criticism is because the comics have a MUCH smaller fan base than the show, especially back when there were only comics and not a show.
They're not hardly connected anymore and they haven't been for a while. So that's not an excuse.
It would be cool to see a character that has a well trained dog or something but I hope they focus more on the human characters. The dog scene in season 2 was actualy done quite well but I found it ridiculous how much love that dog got from the fans. Please no crazy animal duo though the whole tiger thing was cool but it was unrealistic. You can train a tiger to be loyal if you get it at a young age but if it is starving its instincs will take over and would turn on you. How on earth does Shiva always know who the bad guys are and doesn't get them confused with the good guys. Tigers aren't stupid creatures but they are not at that level of intelligence. The way the tiger is intelligent enough to sacrifice itself for Ezekial made for a good scene but was also pretty cheesy at the same time. People always make the whole zombies are unrealistic claim in defense to comments like this, which is 100% true but Walking Dead is not supposed to be a fantasy story the walkers are the only thing of nature that has been altered from reality. Fun Fact: I don't know if this is true or not but I have heard from several sources none of which are reliable but never the less I have heard it and if it is true I am glad telltale scrapped it. In season 1 telltale was considering having a character that had a trained tiger and this was before Ezekial was introduced in the comics. Ultimately they thought that it was too unrealistic so they scrapped it. If this rumor is true telltale made a good choice by scrapping this concept and avoided ruining their masterpiece of a game, season 1.
I hope they don't pull any bull crap choices that involve saving a human life or an animal life. I can already hear all of the haters I am going to get for understanding this but a human life is infinitely more valuable than an animal life. Human's are sentient creatures and have the potential to live over twice the years of most animals and can make much more of a difference in their lifetime. It is only natural that we should look out for our own species first. I hope they don't waste their resources in a stupid attempt to make a tough choice regarding the well being of an animal and a human character when that could be spent on a choice between two human characters that are actualy able to talk and have their own opinions producing at least a slight impact on the story. I usualy am all about people making their own choices but if you choose to save a dog or any other animal over a human toddler you deserve to rot in hell.
Exactly. A tiger would be a jump the shark moment if introduced to the game. And at least in the comics Shiva sort of made sense because Ezekiel was a zookeeper and managed to save the tiger from starving to death at the zoo. They were all they had left but it still got ridiculous at times.
Hipster haircut Clementine somehow taming a tiger (let alone finding one in rural America) would make me rage quit the series.
Plus, they'd be an excellent supply of food. Sounds delicious.
Why would Clem feel bad? Also, why blame someone else?
I was sadder about the tiger's death than most humans this last season.
Then wouldnt your argument also be completely pointless since you cant Prove everyone hates Shiva with only the forums?
Y'all experts on tigers or what? Just because something isn't realistic or probable, it doesn't mean it couldn't happen at least once. Who gives a shit about how low the chances of it are, if it's cool and unique people will love it. We're not gonna see another fucking tiger show up anyway, it's probably some dog or wolf or cat or whatever.
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Well, this went places. Couple of things.
Suspension of belief regarding a setting or premise can be had depending on how strong the characters in the story are. You have to keep them grounded in order to pull this off. I can buy an insufferable douchebag in a leather jacket who goes around hitting jukeboxes and saying "ehhhhh" is probably the coolest person in a small town, and wouldn't get punched in the face everyday by everyone. When he gets on some jet skis and jumps over a shark, that's when you hit wtf territory.
How does Shiva know only to maul the Saviors when she's let loose in a crowd of people?
Why a tiger? I don't know if you hear thousands of stories of any big cats forming a bond with a human, but when you do it's usually a lion. Most big cats are not social creatures, only mingling with their own for the purpose of mating or raising cubs, and in those situations it's only until the interactions are no longer necessary. Think I've heard about a cheetah before, but its usually lions. Shoulda been a lion.
Either way, no more tigers. Maybe she finds that raccoon or something. Or this doesn't happen. I'd be good with either.
My point was not to prove that the entire fan base hated the tiger, the point was that the tiger was the furthest thing from realistic, and to think that a tiger would really do anything that shiva did is nonesense
No one has made a show about zombies flying around on jetpacks. But you dont see TWD doing that because it's unrealistic and not what the show was set out to be from the start.
Not to point any fingers here but...
That kinda made me think that you were trying to say that the minority of fans liked Shiva.
And Tigers can be tamed. Think of her like a circus tiger, she’ll do anything as long as she is treated properly and is trained enough
Exactly
Having a tiger in the community who often is feared by the community due to it being a beast, it's temperamental and sometimes goes against what the king wants, but sometimes achieving what needs to be done would be more realistic.
Having a tiger obey your every command and somehow read your mind or understand when you tell it who to attack? Then for it to somehow be eaten by 5 dumb slow moving zombies? Not realistic and breaks immersion.
Yes! Clementine running into battle with her loyal cat! That would add so much to the realism and immersion!
Just that Shiva didn’t die by 5 dumb slow moving zombies, she was killed by about 10-15 dumb slow moving zombies, who were moving from every direction towards her. Besides, it’s not hard to figure out that she died as a distraction so that Ezekiel could escape without drawing any attention, shiva didn’t just die, her death was a sacrifice.
Tigers can jump 30 feet and according to a study, not even 50 (unarmed) men at the same time could take down a tiger.
Her death was unrealistic, bad writing and plain fucking stupid.
That’s why I said it would have been a sacrifice to give Ezekiel time to escape ?
If i remember Shiva's death was better in the comics i think
Haa, double points for getting her current style too lol.
Gonna be a horse.
I wonder if it will be one of the rejected horses that were replaced in From the Gallows. Clem having a horse with glitchy teleporting powers would be awesome!