Telltale MUST realize their legacy is riding on TFS and that its crucial to make past choices matter
I've been perusing the forums, Reddit, and even YouTube in order to gauge fan expectations in regards to the final season. I've even submitted posts that ask fans whether they think our s2 endings and even our s3 endings will matter in TFS (The Final Season). These are a few of the most upvoted responses that I received:
- "Doubt it. I feel like the New Frontier EP4 flashbacks with Kenny and Jane was TT's way of trying to make up for the awful EP1 flashbacks. At most I think the endings will result in a small reference but that's it, nothing major. If they did play a big role then that would be great, but my expectations for TellTale are really low at this point."
- "No, and I'm flabbergasted anyone expected it to effect Season 3. As soon as there were multiple endings it was obvious Telltale would have to crush them together. Because Telltale writes "seasons" without regard for the sequel."
- "Yeah, but I expect only subtle changes. Will I be disappointed if not? Nah. I'm already pretty done with TT."
- "Normally I'd say that I'd be surprised if they even got a brief mention, which might very well be the case, but seeing's how we still have the AJ plotline to deal with, then... maybe. I can't really see anything other than him having a major role that's continuing from season two, though. It'd be cool if they were to pull something, but I'm not holding out much hope this time. I've learned my lesson unfortunately."
- "Making those choices matter or not is basically what will determine if Telltale Games is either bringing us their best Season yet or just another good and acceptable Season. They have their fans looking up to them, everyone is involved with Clem's story, so now all they have left to do is come for the kill, they owe it to us to make those choices matter. They can do it by the way characters will act around each other, by bringing back a determinant character, by tailoring the story in a way so we can see how big of a difference it makes."
The general consensus here is that a) people don't think our past choices will matter, at all, and b) people have little to no faith in Telltale and are ready to write them off completely. In fact, many people have already given up on Telltale Games but are going to stick it out through the final season just to see Clementine's story to the end.
Faith in Telltale is practically nonexistent after ANF and the final season will determine their legacy and the legacy of TWD series. If they are smart they will go all-out on the final season, sparing no expense and making it as tailored and unique to each playthrough as humanly possible. If they cheap out, even once, that is all they will be remembered for. Their reputation and future as a gaming company hinges on how the final season goes.
I really hope the Telltale staff is reading this, because whether it's the forums or Reddit or YouTube, basically NOBODY trusts them to make a decent game anymore. And because of this, they aren't even playing the fantastic games like Batman s2 that are coming out. They don't even want to give it a chance. They still feel betrayed by ANF and rightfully so. The final season needs to make the s2 and s3 endings matter at the very least or people will just see it as more of the same streamlined bs. Seriously, people have basically written them off as a viable gaming company but are going to stick it out for Clementine's story. This is their one last chance to turn their reputation around for the better.
So Telltale, please, PLEASE put forth the extra effort. Prove every naysayer wrong. Make Clementine remember her promise that she made to Kenny to take care of AJ. Make Kenny's hat have a significant role. Make my Clementine who stayed with Kenny different than someone's who stayed with Jane. Let Clementine mourn and reflect on the lives of Jane, the cabin group, Kenny, Lee, basically anyone and everyone who shaped her into the person she is today. Make our choices matter. Go back to the 2.5 hour+ episodes. If you cheap out again, people WILL realize it. And most of them will NOT give you another chance after that. Make something that the fans will be truly proud of, even if it needs to be delayed.
Everything I said, I said out of love for this company and this series. I play every Telltale episode the day it releases. I make memes about the game. I manage the r/TeamKenny subreddit. I contribute fan theories. I truly love TWD game and want to see it finish on a very high note. So please don't take this as me being a nitpicker or a spoiled brat. Just please, please do not disappoint and insult us again. Peace.
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Not that I don’t agree with you or anything but don’t you think that there are enough threads about this?
Someone's being a little overdramatic...
AMEN BRUH! AMEN!
Agreed. Don't mess this up, telltale.
I could not agree more. In fact, I want to congratulate you for bringing up such an important topic in a marvelous way. Thank you so much for speaking up for us. You, Sir, have my respect, vigorous fan to another.
About as overdramatic as ANF getting a 36% metacritic review and 300k sales, compared to S1's 95% score and over 8.5 million sales. About as overdramatic as the ANF launch trailer getting only 261k views and then dwindling to 98k views for the finale trailer. About as overdramatic as Pewdiepie (a YouTuber with 59.6 million subscribers) saying that Telltale makes shit games and that he is done with them (not to mention similar sentiments from countless other YouTubers). About as overdramatic as the countless YouTube videos saying that ANF sucked, and the majority of fans saying that they have little to no faith in Telltale anymore.
But yeah, by all means pretend that I'm being overdramatic and that there aren't real problems and issues for Telltale going into the final season.
LOL thread counters always make me chuckle. Perhaps 60 threads are needed to get the message through that another garbage game is not something this series deserves to go out on. Worked for Wolf Among Us returning.
Thank you. I'm very happy to see that my thread is being mostly well-received, and that my passion for TWD series and Telltale is not going unnoticed. Here's hoping we get a final season that blows everyone's expectations out of the water.
Well let us look at things logically....S2 will not really matter to S4...S3s endings were not really anything special..I mean sure we may see Clint or Joan again....but then again...if we do find AJ...getting away from Richmond may be the best idea...building a society in an area where there are too few solid escape routes strikes me as stupid. I think at this point I am just wanting a solid send off for Clem. If they pull that off, then I will be happy...if they manage to tie up loose ends...then even better...but it may be best to just ignore S3.
Say that to the thousands of figures that are dropping on Teltale's sales over the last couple months.
Even if the game was as good as season 1, I highly doubt it would have sold more then 1 million copies. The New Frontier retail launch trailer had more then 3 million views. And may is ask where you saw that 36% review? I can't find it.
Yea. I can't imagine how Gary Whitta must feel now that he's back. Probably the same way that Scotty felt in Star Trek: Into Darkness when he made it back to the Enterprise: "5-6 Years Without Me On Board, Now Look What You've Done To The Place!" Nah I'm kidding. You see where I'm coming from though. Right?
Bruh you still have hope don't ya
"Hope is all we got"
We hopefully will.
I feel the same way. They need to set things right, make a proper ending. Season Three isn't on the same league of the previous Seasons and Season Four just has to be perfect!
Yeeeeeeeeah I've been saying this since A New Frontier, they completely ruined most of what mattered in the past when they handled those Season 2 endings in such a disgusting way.
Here's a link to my response for the final season: https://telltale.com/community/discussion/114921/telltale-please-dont-make-the-same-mistake-twice-spoilers-obviously
Not sure what value you could keep by making the choices matter now, but I'd say at least the past involvement with Christa/Lilly is the best shot, or having at least Javier return or Clementines past being overly explained with past events. Or even having Joan/Clint return as antagonistic characters (even if they're cliche as hell at this point).
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Why does that woman in the poster not look like Katja? She looks more like Crista, to me.
I believe I have once heard that long ago, it may of been the original plan to have Christa suicide instead of Katjaa or they did it to not spoil events. Like they use to make the picture thumbnails of the episodes during S1 and S2 to appear odd to throw off guesses and so as not to spoil the plot points.
This screenshot is really old, I believe it's from the announcement trailer from S01E01 so it was probably really early in the story and they rewrote it
is it still up to watch ?
This is the trailer.
Yup, that's it, that was one month before the release of the first episode so yeah it could have been Christa instead of Katja
And they probably created Irene to do still have that scene in the game with Glenn(could've been Doug) and Carley instead of Kenny and Ben.
The most important things for me that they can nail is the feeling of helplessness and survival of season 1 and 2, as well as proper relationships with characters (so take everything that The New Frontier did, then do the opposite of that in terms of characters)
One of the great things about season 1 and somewhat season 2 was how survival dictated what happened, walkers and the need to survive carried the plot forward, and the plot points happened as a direct result of that. In The New Frontier, the need to survive was nonexistant, and walkers were basically nonconsequential
Oh. I feel like Kenny's reaction was still a little strong for Christa killing herself. And why would Lee be holding him back? That's fuck'd up. But I guess that's how they lure people in.
Yeah I would not ever compare that trailer as full canon with the actual game. Half of it does not match up and it was more so an intention to act as an attraction for players to play it when it released. Like that picture of the S1 Macon group around the campfire next to that freighter from Long Road Ahead never happened either and walkers did try to break into the drug store but Glenn and Lee never tried to keep them out together when it was Doug, Lee and Carly.
It could be an A House Divided situation where it's a reflection of what the original plan may have been before they came up with the iconic "Who did you save?" element.
Or simple Wolervine Publicity. Either way.
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The choices mattering isn’t enough for me to save the company’s legacy. There is so much more needed than that
Like What? Genuinely curious
It being half as "amazing"(for lack of a better word) and impactful as Season 1 was.
So more hub areas, opportunities to actually interact with characters, people treating you differently based on dialogue and choices, sense of realism without Hollywood style gun battle theatrics, feeling like you actually have a stake in the world, and episodes that are at least 2.5 hours in length. Yep I agree.
Yep, the biggest problem I had with A New Frontier which was already showing a little in season 2 was the change from slow paced plot development and character development to jump cut after jump cut of "cool shooty action sequences", some of my favorite scenes in Telltales TWD include: Lee and Clem talking in the train wagon, Lee and Clem talking in the drug store, and Clementine telling Luke about Lee in season 2, all these scenes have 1 thing in common, they are way more laid back, and kind of distance themselves a bit from the apocalypse, but by distancing, the apocalypse becomes way more real and emotional, A New Frontier lacked that
Or maybe they could keep in line with that? S1 had it's faults to be sure, but from a story telling aspect it was pretty good. Even wasting Madsens Carver S2 evoked emotion. Choices mattering can be avoided when the developers treat decisions with respect to the players that made them.
Half as amazing would be pretty good as well. I don't think they will ever deliver a game as great & impactful as TWD S1.
I think we should all keep saying that so telltale can go into “challenge accepted mode”. But will they really? ?
You answered it before i could reply to you lol. Those are exactly the things needed back in future Telltale games
Part of me hopes, but then parts like
it's clearly effected the company with the major job losses and people leaving left right and center, just hope they can give it a respectful end, it's hard to see Telltale surviving if were honest here in the long run.