@staff: It's OK to retcon older events for the Final Season.
It's happened before, so there's room to have it happen again and allow previous plot threads to (realistically and satisfyingly) tie into whatever's gonna happen.
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Um what?
I hope people have the option to Retcon the Gabentine stuff. That way anyone can write it off if they choose to.
Which events are we talking about here? The only one that springs to mind is Lilly's exit, considering that was originally the same Lilly in the comic but was changed to be an original character,
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Retconning in general I find pretty annoying. It basically is either lazy writing or for cheap shock value. However, considering how awful ANF was I dont think I would even care if they retcon a ton of shit, Im not sure if its just because ANF already pulled so much dumb shit that retconning would fit right in, or I just dont care about the series enough anymore to care if they retcon. I mean fuck it, bring out the Kenny and Jane didnt die, Clem was DREAMING and that wasnt the TRUE way it happened ! ! ! HeARd iT hERe FirST FoLKs
I'll be retconing more Gabentine stuff into my game, because my first time through just wasn't crappy enough.
I'm not saying we could just Dallas ANF, but if TFS starts with Clem waking with a startle camping on the road, hearing some rustling behind a tree, and then Kenny pokes his head out and says "We're out of toilet paper. CLAM. PAPER."
Then she looks at the camera like
Boom opening credits. I'd be ok with this.
kenny cant feel his legs i think hes gonna need help with the toilet paper
I meant actually important stuff, like (as @richwalk23 said) Lilly and her status, events from a New frontier, or, in the case of season 2, Sarah's 2nd death and the whole... Mike thing.
I can get behind this. Sometimes it is necessary to admit to mistakes and try to fix them.
I have always hated that. It would of made the game and comic tie ins much stronger and exciting so I refuse to accept that one. If it was never retconned then I'd happily accept Lilly never coming back into the game series even better.
The entirety of ANF should be more or less a nightmare for Clem to wake up from in Wellington or Howes due to a head injury while helping out within the base LOL. Might be a cheesy cop out but I'd love it so much as an excuse to wipe away season 3 as pretty much non canon.
It has...?
Honestly, I feel a reboot would be far better suited to that type of thing. Retconning is generally a more than convenient writing technique and with a series as grounded and final as this one, utilizing many of them would just be cheap and discredit what little integrity remains.
For comparison and contrast, part of the reason Jane's flashback was the worst was because it was essentially Telltale looking at the bed they made and throwing out the window into a compacting garbage truck, effectively making much of the frustration of Season 2.5 completely pointless. Hence the already unnecessary flashback in Thicker than Water being borderline pointless.
They don't have to take details out, and I'm not saying they have to bring anyone back to life, either. They just have to make it so that what doesn't make sense makes sense.
In terms of what they've done, Lilly canonically WAS the same character as Lilly Caul, but that changed because Kirkman decided to override her backstory despite Telltale consulting with him constantly during S1's development. Sarah canonically WAS on top of the deck when it collapsed, and then she was under it in a way that implies it was above her first. Natasha was Maud, Mike was Ralph, AJ had a different skin tone when he was born (changed from pale to dark in No Going Back and the Collection), Mike's death became non-canon, how Kenny and Jane looked during the flashbacks was retconned (compare the original Ties That Bind release with the Episode 4 flashback and the Collection release), everyone's personalities flip-flopped in ANF every 1 or 2 episodes regardless of how the characters actually behaved or felt...
Yeah the ep 4 flashbacks were just obvious "guys pls forgiv us for makin rlly bad mistakes ;( we promis not 2 get high af and rite an episod agan
" It sucked because the ep 4 flashbacks were probably the best part of ANF, but it was only there for fan service instead of actual passion, if there was any passion thats what Season 3 would have became.
It sucks Jane hung herself and Clem clearly saw it. If Jane didnt hang herself they could have retconned Kenny and Jane's death without it feeling too over the top. Could have been a reveal that Kenny's leg was broken and he wasnt fully paralyzed, could have then revealed he fought off the walkers and managed to pull a classic "HID UNDER SOMETHING" and with Clem not looking back she wouldnt see Kenny getting away. Considering Telltale made the family evil no matter what, they could have made it so Jane gets separated from Clem as the evil family attacks them, with strong emphasis with us assuming Jane is killed, could have even shown her get shot. But then it would later be revealed that she was shot, but not fatally or something along those lines.
Hmm, yes, that would very much be understandable and even appreciated.
Are these examples of things that can be addressed with retcons or are you saying they are retcons? Cause if the latter, that's not really how some of them work
Eh, mind explaining this one? Cause I honestly don't get this complaint outside of Tripp and Joan and even that wouldn't be as bad if it wasn't so hamfisted and blatant
I gave those as examples of retcons they did do. In the case of other characters, I present Gabe's 'shoot him, Javi' and eventual, intentional back-stabbing reveal at they apartment. Clem also trying to put Alvin Jr's life before hers but then letting the new frontier essentially kill him without a fight and Kate's loyalties in a given situation not matching up count, too.
Ah. Well, some of them don't really work out, like the one with Sarah.
See, this one is an example that definitely could've worked if you really look at his character, but the determinant factors on that scene and the distracting element in the rest of the scenes that may or may not be Clementine really screw up any real substance of that development.
Mm, good point. She can spit in David's face, but that's about it.
Okay, so this one in particular, I never really got. Like, at all.
Granted, Kate had very conditional screentime throughout the game, but her motivations were generally clearly stated in any given scene.
It's alright though, because it was just a dream, a bad dream
Just to be safe, anyone who kept Jane around, maybe just keep an eye on her for a while tho.