Any concept design for a Companion?
As I stated in my last discussion which is this (https://telltale.com/community/discussion/118572/possible-new-companion-for-clementine-in-s4), Yeah.... some agree, some disagree.
Well back to the topic!
Concept design.... if you ask me what does he look like (yes... little romance.. hate me all you want, Clem deserves someone like Gabe.. a little more of a badass guy, kind of like Lee or Molly or.. Jane.), I don't have a Concept art/design with me yet.. OHH FUUUUU-!!!!
Yea... I should say about his character design...
1. Possibly a caring person... (IDK WHY! it got stuck in my head)
2. Skilled or An Advanced Survivor... or Skilled Survivor (Since you know, ANF takes place 4 years after the outbreak)
3. Could teach Clem new skills (Maybe killing walkers in an effective and faster..? Still don't know why this got stuck in my head)
4. Could be Clem's old friend (another Motel Survivor) she met during the early days. (Like he stumbled at the motel?? This could be a spoiler if Telltale decided it to happen... I DUNNO IT COULD HAPPEN!) You get what I mean.
Aight! If you have any other suggestions, please reply and see if you have interesting character concepts... other than mine =P
If you disagree with my... concept... don't get mad at me... those concepts are too good in my head. So... YEA.
I'll post my concept art/design for this new guy I'm talkin' about, in another thread.. I'll tell you guys about it in here and... maybe deviant art... idk... so bye
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One of the designs me and Patrickrc95 came up with for the fanfic we were working on for TFS was OC Tristan. Early on, I wanted him to be like a Teenage Version of Luke, but we soon realized that THAT wouldn't be interesting enough. So instead we wound up making his character more well-rounded and more like a Male-Version of Clementine rather than Luke. Although he DOES have some Luke-esk qualities to his character still.
He generally uses a Crossbow like Daryl Dixon, rather than a Shotgun like Clem. He is also SUPER intelligent, and a badass who doesn't fuck around when his loved ones are in danger. He is also not afraid to beat the shit out of people, or pull the trigger on somebody if he has to.
On the flip-note, he wasn't always like this if you look into his background. In addition to everything I have said so far, me and Pat came up with a backstory for Tristan's character...a heartbreaking one, just like Clementine's really. He DOES have a more caring and understanding side to his character too. I'm willing to bet that if Telltale were to bring along a new character just like this one, it would probably be the most well-rounded character we have seen since Season 1. Here's a pic from Pat's Twitter:
Honestly, if Clementine was to have a companion, it should be someone to act as an opposite to her in alot of ways IMO, he/she should be able to take care of themselves decently enough, but they wouldnt have the skill that Clementine has at all, what they would have, is a social ability, something that Clementine has lost the aptitude for as she has become more cynical and hardened
Yeah, I think something along the lines of this would be the best way to approach any sort of character of this context.
It's just that we've been through so many different candidates already and what even Clementine's characterization is is so farcical now that I kinda struggle to see it being very successful.
I don't entirely agree with that. See, I'm okay with them having good survival instincts. Hell they could have even BETTER survival instincts than Clementine does. What they COULD have however is a more developed moral compass than what Clementine has, and would also possess a more PRACTICAL view of a situation. In other words "Forethought," which is something that Clementine can gauge her decisions from.
For Example: If innocent people are being held captive and Clementine has a choice between setting them all free, and leaving them behind, he would advise AGAINST freeing them. Not because he doesn't care about the captives themselves, but because he KNOWS that such a decision could indirectly put the people of Richmond in serious danger.
I think you may have too much trust in Clem's opinion. I think in that situation she would have to agree with him. She doesn't know these people. Why would they hold any significance to her? And who the hell is innocent these days? Everyone's got something they've done, and the apocalypse just gives you a bigger excuse. Nvm last part
Well there WOULD be other factors involved that would make the situation a tad bit more complicated. Perhaps Another Character, who would want to put the needs of the people who are suffering first.
Pretty fucked up, but I see what ur saying. Although, I feel like that would be a decision that even Tristan couldn't make.
Edit: Lol. You didn't have to delete that last part. I get it. I'm just hoping it doesn't come to that is the thing.
Hmm sure. If it's built up enough that we actually give a damn whether these characters live or not and we respect their opinions.
Well of course. It would be sort of like the end of Episode 2 Season 1 with the decision of whether or not to take the supplies, and Little Clem didn't want to.
Just with it actually meaning something afterwards? Then count me in.
That kinda sounds like the type of thing they wanted to have with Luke and Kenny.
If you don't mind me asking, what are Tristan's character flaws? I feel like that's an important aspect of a character to define when making a rounded character.
Well, as i said earlier, he hasn't ALWAYS been so forthcoming. He HAS made mistakes prior to the plot of the Fanfic me and Pat created. At one point he actually went behind his mom and older brother's back to try and free some people from captivity and he wound up being captured. His older brother managed to free him, but not too long afterwards, Tristan's captors caught up to their group and the older brother wound up dead as a result. Sort of a Lee type situation as Tristan had to put his brother down after he had turned.
Another thing. He doesn't react very well to "Relational" advances with the upmost confidence that you might expect. Of course there are OTHER quirks to his character that could be either Good or Bad, depending on whether you agree with them or not.
Oh okay, I only asked because I feel like a character's weaknesses often make them more compelling than their strengths do. Kenny is an excellent example. He wouldn't be anywhere near as polarizing among the fans without his flaws, and to me that makes him a very fascinating character.
Tristan does sound interesting. I was somewhat hoping Clem would find another boy her age in TFS so Telltale could have another go at making a relationship for her, (though I wouldn't mind if Telltale doesn't go that route) maybe a character like Tristan will show up and take that role.
The ass'in FUCK she does.
Hell, I'm not even sure James would be trading up with her.
Quick Off-topic Question: How would you feel if one of Gabe's old friends from back in Baltimore showed up in TFS?
...He had friends in ol' Baltimore?
Honestly, unless he shows up as well(and there's a 25% handicap to him being able to do so), I don't really see the relevance.
Well, either way it would most certainly give his Life/Death some well deserved traction when it comes to Javier's choices you know?
Define traction.
It means that it would make Gabe's Life or Death actually MEAN something, just as was the case with Conrad. It could potentially effect that particular friend's view of Javier and or Clementine.
Oh. I guess, but it's still seems a little too random all things considered.
Well that depends on how they did it. If it did happen, it could also be somebody that Clem meets over at the Mc Carroll Ranch. And then once they arrived back in Richmond and they see Gabe, Boom Plot-Twist. I think Telltale had planned on doing something similar with Joan and Eleanor, but that never happened.
The difference is that Joan was [affiliated with]the main antagonist and Eleanor had been introduced episodes earlier as a group member within the same installment.
Again, that seems like a random ass thing to reveal at the end of the game.
Ultimately, I think it'd be better for everyone if Gabe is scarely referenced in the Final Season, considering it has nothing to do with him and Clementine already leeched his arc off course a bit.
Ah romance. I do like me a ship. Let me think, I’m pretty good at this…hmmm.
For a concept, it could be an old school friend or somebody Clementine knew from when she was little before the ZA. That could definitely add an instant connection there if they happened to recognize each other when they're older, and leave open room to talk about stuff from before which would help with getting along, especially with the limited time left for a Final Season to develop a romance. I know there can be time skips, but a repeat of Gabe with rushing things too fast would not be wise. So this person, they and Clementine can't click immediately, you'd need to be able to see that development over time through scenarios, and believe it.
If the game ended just heavily implying things were developing, and giving the player the choice to pursue it would be a smart move, or [I can’t believe I’m going to say it] allow the option for the player to skip on back to Gabe at the end, because I know there are fans of those two and as much as I dislike the kid, it's only fair in a decision based game to leave said option available.
I don’t want to tread the same ground as from the other thread you linked, so I’ll stick to basics. They can be serious when the time calls for it, but a positive attitude to things is a good mindset to have and would boosty moral. So yup, they have to be funny to cheer our girl up [e.g: tries to get Clementine to laugh, fails horribly.] And they can’t be relying on anyone to the degree which Gabe was. Since he had Javi and Kate looking out for him all those years, and was only just learning to get better at surviving. He or she needs to be able to teach Clementine new skills, and she needs to be able to teach them back what she knows.
Telltale would have to be careful not to make it too generic though. I mean that stuff with Carl and that girl in the show, from what I've caught of it anyways, like when they hid in the hollow tree from walkers, the cheese was strong. If the person was clingy towards Clementine I wouldn't like it. Would be funny if that person got flustered though around her, and Clem doesn't catch on right away why.
This will be something odd to bring up, but it needs to be said. If another teenager Clementine’s age comes along and something does brew between them, then that new character should be voiced by an adult too that can pull a teen voice like Melissa can. It makes sense to balance it out, because that’s something that took me out of it when they were setting up the romance between Clem and Gabe, because you could tell the difference when they’re put side by side in a scene, that one is an actual teenager speaking and one is not.
With Season 2, Sarah was voiced by the grown up lady Lousia Mackintosh, and further back Season 1, sure Duck was voiced by a kid, but Clem’s voice was squeaky and she was an adorable muffin back then, so it didn’t matter so much. But back to the present, if there was another attempt at a romance, then their voice actors have to be on a level playing field I feel for it to successfully work. Because as it was, Gabe just came across sounding whiny, but I know if Clem was voiced by someone like Vale Dela Maza [who voiced Mariana] I wouldn’t have thought twice, I’d of thought instead ‘daw those adorable little muffins. Rushing this wuv, but get together you two c’mon’
But god, if our baby girl ever did get another shot with a romance thing, that voice coming out of that character has gotta be good. I can’t even visualize what they’d look like, but a nice voice is a win [Maybe someone like Sam Riegel who did Steve in Darkside Chronicles, or Jason Marsden who voiced Noel in FFXIII-2. I don't know just someone, a voice that'll work well alongside Melissa's] Sorry to the go rambling on about this, but I'm a voice junky when it comes to video games. Heck I’ve been playing Fallout 4, and I don’t wanna change over my companion because I like his voice too damn much.
I don't really have anything else to add at the moment...I-I'm going to go play more Fallout now.
Indeed. Of course the other thing is that if the other person actually KNEW Clementine at one point, it would certainly take away from any possible theoretical notion of the ship being FORCED in any way. The flip side of that being that it would also take away from the player's experience of getting to know that person through the course of the game itself. Know what I'm saying?
Do you think Eric Vale would be a good Choice? I mean...he IS close to the same age as Melissa right?
Well, they would have to be given at least SOME LEVEL of Chemistry with Clementine to start out with. That way even if the ship DID come off forced in some form or other, it would at the VERY LEAST make sense for Clem to be shipped with him given what we know about his Personal Psyche.
Edit: Eric Vale is 43 and Melissa Hutchison is 42.
Clementine does not need a romance in this last season. I honestly think that telltale should steer clear of any other young characters except for Clementine and AJ. Clem doesn't need someone her age to relate to. She is just as mature and independent as all of the adults she has ever met since the ending of season 1. It would be awesome if some of the characters in the final season try to parent her and she can have the option to chew them out declaring her own maturity and independence. Clementine is like a child to me. She isn't getting romantically involved with anyone while she is in her teens. Perhaps when she is in her 30's if she meets a responsible and loving guy her age who is worthy of her time they can... hold hands.
I had an idea a while ago that some of the people Clem meets in The Final Season could act almost like bad future versions of her where she failed to save AJ. Such as:
A suicidal teenager who has given up after losing the last of their group.
A lone wolf like Jane except without the sense of detachment. An aimless wanderer yearning for connections yet is too afraid of the inevitable tragedies that come with them.
Someone who had snapped under the pressure of the ZA and decided that they'll follow their own selfish impulses.
A tyrant like Carver who rules with an iron fist yet unlike Carver is secretly ashamed of what they've done and what they've become.
I actually like this one,this could be interesting.
No. I don't agree. I feel like after all that Clem has been through at this point in the series, she needs a F-ing Break Man. No offence. In fact like it would be much better for her to meet people that she can actually APPRECIATE and Reflect Upon. I already mentioned Tristan. But another OC that me and Pat came up with was Lisa, Tristan's 9-year-old Sister, who is essentially a YOUNGER VERSION of the current Clementine.
But let's be serious guys,we play these games to see our favourite characters SUFFER.
Right ?
That being the case, it would probably be better to have her introduced to GOOD people only to have them DIE later on just like it's always been. Hehe
None taken. I just was hoping The Final Season would be brutal and heart wrenching like Season 1 was. I get that you want Clem to finally have some pleasant scenes after all she's been through, especially since this is the last we'll see of her. I guess I wouldn't mind if Telltale decides to give her a break if it's well executed, though I still hope survival and tribulation will play some role in S4.
Eh, not suffer so much as struggle.
Sometimes, you really wanna see a focal character be stacked up against legitimately challenging odds so that they get hit where it really hurts, spend a bit on floor coming to grips with hand they've been dealt, get back up again, and grow as a person in fighting to hopefully overcome them.
But yes, I'd like to see ANF!Clementine suffer. For realsies.
I certainly do. I often find myself purposefully making choices that lead to sadder and more emotional scenes. You know writers of an apocalyptic story have been successful when they make lovable characters you can grow attached to and then do horrible things to them.
I think this video sums up Telltale's the Walking Dead. They should seriously consider the suggestion of renaming the series to "Depression Simulator"
Oh god we're back to this again. Am i the only one who'd be happy with a dog like Sam from S2 as a "companion" than a "love interest" or "caretaker" I mean how many times have we seen this play out at this point. Lee, Kenny, Jane, Luke, Javier, Christa, Gabe. Duck, etc.
Well, Kirkman DID say that there would be an Animal-Human Duo of sorts in the TFS, but then of course the Sam thing in Season 2 didn't exactly work out either because Clementine wound up having to KILL it within just a few minutes of meeting them so...
Well if were going to go with a dog, the dog has to be the original dog from hell. It has to a dog with attitude, he's edgy, he's in your face. You've heard the expression "Lets get busy"? Well this is a dog who gets Bis-ayy, consistently and thoroughly. A very proactive dog, it will be an outrageous paradigm. Maybe they should put him in more of a Hip-Hop context, or perhaps make him a surfer. Either way we need to Rastafy him by 10% or so.
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This dog would be perfect casting
Oh Eric Vale, he's the guy who voices Trunks in Dragon Ball, but he does a gruffly voice in that one for the character. You got any samples of him doing other roles? o.o
And I guess what I mean is, I wouldn't want it to be that immediately they hit it off, and the feelings of wuv are there instantly, but that they should develop over time. Basically I don't a Ken meets Barbie from Toy Story 3 thing to happen XD but I do understand what you mean in that there does need to be something there.
Also how the muffins do you do quotes things on here? Since the set up changed on here I honestly can't figure it out! T.T
Absolutely. He does quite a few Anime roles, including in Hetalia, One Piece, and Fairy Tale. He ALSO voiced a few characters in Borderlands 2.
If you wanna quote specific lines and whatnot, just use the ">" Symbol. After that, just copy-paste whatever it is U r Quoting.
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Well... Drew is definitely dead.... uh. Yup, could be a possibility.