Why does Clementine need to keep looking for alvin jr?
Can't they just let it go? It seems like alvin is probably in a good place, they should just let us imagine our own posibilities. It doesn't really seem like an interesting way to keep it going. Maybe the plot will surprise me
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Because he's the only thing we have that doesn't make Season 2 useless.But i agree with you they should just tell us he's dead and then we move on.Or he's alive and at the ranch with a family,i don't know..That's the only plot we have because they keep killing everyone so we're stuck with a baby now.
I liked season 2 over all and the various outcomes for the story would have been good closure for clementine and the baby. It was nice seeing clementine in the third game but we don't need every detail spelled out for us.
They must have some sort of understandable goal for the final season or else the story could suffer with getting taken randomly in different directions. Also that baby is one of the few things left in that game I could actually care about.
Because it's pretty much the only tangible motivation/goal for her joke of a characterization.
Because Telltale wants to portray a thirteen year old adoptive mother as a good trait to have in a teenage girl.
Another one of the main issues with ANF and now S4. Player doesnt really care about Aj that much, but Clem does. To the player, Aj is more of a plot device than a character or something we care about. Like lets break down Aj really quick.
S2 Ep 4: Aj is born, thats about it
S2 ep5: Just a plot device for Kenny Vs Jane
S3 ep1: All the flashbacks focus on a different event, Aj is more of a side
S3 ep2: Again, main focus is a different event, Aj is just a side
S3 ep3: Aj is the focus this time, but again we arnt really given any time to care about Aj or not, plus later revealed our choice didnt matter in the outcome at all, so who really cares
S3 ep4: Kenny/Jane flashbacks focus on Kenny and Jane, second flashback has no Aj
Basically again its a case of disconnect of player and character. Clem cares about Aj a lot more than the player does. Aj isnt given any time for us to feel like we are raising him or anything like that, he is simply a plot device and that is it. And that's pretty annoying for this type of game. Like S4's main plot is going to be Clem finding Aj AKA Clem finding the plot device.
Um...Because it's the one thing driving her forward, her sole link to the past?
So what yer sayin is..., "Clementine's definition and direction as a character is a fuckin joke born of increasingly shallow pandering/pigeonholing that requires using a salvaged remnant of a pretty abandoned story arc approved of by an extremely overexposed veteran to justify continuing to making stories with her?"
For me as a player, I mainly care about AJ because Kenny loved him so much. I promised Kenny I would keep him safe so that's enough of a motivator for me.
I blame it on the time skip.
I liked AJ's involvement in Season 2. The whole group dynamics with him in episode 5 were really heartwarming and the group having different ideas on what was the safest place to raise the baby was interesting. Overall, the motivation of having the group looking out for AJ's best interests worked.
But then they all died and we got this baby literally shoved into Clem's arms.
Now I can understand her not abandoning the baby. Clem would never have done that. The whole issue with AJ's involvement was that they skipped Clem's WHOLE journey with him. How could they have expected the player to relate to Clementine on this when they decide to skip its whole development.
And let's not forget that being Clem an 11-year-old alone in the apocalypse, you'd expect that those YEARS she spent alone keeping AJ alive in the wilderness would've been a very, very, VERY trying experience. You'd expect Clem to remember that time she spent alone with him not that fondly. In fact, we should all be amazed that she succeeded in keeping him alive for more than 1 month on her own. This would've been something interesting to see. Something that should've been explored.
Too bad they wasted time on really pointless, eleventh hour Kenny/Jane fanservice rather then expanding on the endings where there was actually something to explore with Clementine and AJ.
Seems like they're just trying to salvage the botched execution that was her reason to tie into ANF. Much like the indifference people felt to Javiers family, the time skip did nothing but create a disconnect between the player and the character most of us are here for. Clementines years of attachment were formed off screen, without the players actually having a chance to form one the way we did in seasons 1 and 2. There's no reason the final season shouldn't be about finding him, because ANF was kind enough to inform us all this happened while we weren't around to actually care. So here we are.
As long as it gets us away from Richmond, I guess. I thankfully managed to get Gabe killed, but those other dolts were still alive at the end of the game. I'll deal if it means never having to see them again.
idk why Telltale keeps trying to force people to care about that little mcguffin. I've hated that kid ever since his mom squirted him out and left Clem to deal with him. At the end of season 2 I wanted nothing more than to toss that baby in a garbage can and leave him to die. Realistically, trying to take care of that kid would have gotten Clem killed. There's no way, other than shitty, miracle writing, that a kid as young as Clem could keep a baby alive by herself in a zombie apocalypse. Even if you end season 2 with Jane or Kenny, they both die and Clem is left alone. Like, AJ hardly makes any noise, and that's nowhere near realistic. Babies cry, a lot. I've had 2 and and I have 4 nieces and nephews and even my son who was "the good one" of my two and didn't cry constantly still cried when he needed food or was wet or uncomfortable etc.
What would actually happen is AJ would cry 24/7 because he's hungry, drawing walkers down on them like a goddamn dinner bell. Clem would be forced to try to scavenge in grocery stores to find formula for him. If she took him in with her, he'd be drawing every walker in the building to them. If she left him outside somewhere, he'd draw walkers to his location and be eaten while she was gone scavenging. If she was smart and tried to put him somewhere out of zombie reach, like in a tree or something, she'd not be able to get back to him because of all the walkers that'd be surrounding the tree trying to eat the noisy, fleshy thing. And even if she managed to get him formula and not get either of them eaten in the process, she'd need warm water to mix it with. Feeding a baby cold formula will serious hurt their stomach and they'll cry non stop because they have stomach cramps.
No, that kid was far too great a burden to put on an 11 year old and they both would have died because of it. I really, truly hope there's an option to just forget the kid and move on in Season 4 but my fear is they're gonna force a situation where Clem will end up sacrificing herself or otherwise get killed saving AJ, the same way Lee died saving her, bringing her story full circle. I'll admit there's a certain amount of poetry to that that I find appealing, but not for a character I've hated since he showed up.
Hey. At least we got SOMETHING.
I'd rather have that something be relevant, interesting, or useful, thank you.
Honestly, AJ is nothing more than a plot device, and I hope he dies or disappears early in season 4, since he is a baby, there is no character to be attached to other than "Daaaaw look at da little baby", which is not a good reason.
My Clem didn't even try to protect him. Didn't shoot the momma, didn't go after him in the street, didn't try to give him the meds..... I've tried to let that stupid kid go away but it won't happen. That to me is more sad then anything that they could do to him this season. If it is possible, he will not survive my final seasons. Go ahead, tempt me Telltale.
I might be wrong but i thought they were originally supposed to be a choice for the baby to die in season 2 episode 5 in early development.
I'm interested to see what telltale does with AJ going forward, but I feel he's more a burden than he's currently worth. I felt they dragged the whole "finding AJ" plot far too long in ANF solely to have some loose justification of having Clementine there.
Jesus wow some of you guys posts are really freaking sick to advocate killing a baby, a fictional one but still....You guys just fail to acknowledge that clementine loves Aj similar to how Lee loves clementine. you think I liked clementine in season 1 dead wrong I thought she was a annoying plot device as well and got lee killed.And if I could have made a choice just to leave clementine when she went to go find her parents I would of let her go.But the narrative pushes you to go find clementine regardless of what you as the player want in this "choice driven game".So there's no need to bitch and whine about clementine going to go find Aj this has been the theme of their franchise since the first season.
Well, at least we got a badass over here. There's that, and not much else
Clementine is looking for AJ because he is her adoptive son and she had been raising him the entire time gap between season 2 and 3. It hasn't really received development due to all of the newcomer friendly bullshit but I would argue that Clementine loves AJ even more than she loved Lee and her parents which is saying something. A good parent's love for their child is unmatched by any other.
I would try to argue with yea. But when Clem answers a question about her love for him with "With all my heart", there's no way to take it any other way.
I was thinking that maybe guilt also played into the factor of her risking everything for him. But clearly, Love is the only true motivator.
I didn't like how she blamed David for letting him go. He did seem to care about him and did it because he wanted what was best for him.
If David didn't let im go, there'd be no Final Season and AJ would've still been ridin his ass.
I know. It was unfair of her to blame him
Clementine's reaction after David tells her about how he sent AJ away is slightly different depending on your season 2 ending.
Kenny Ending:
Clementine: "He was a brat, huh. That goofy little brat... You were trying to take care of him. Sometimes that's not so easy. Reminds of of someone who did the same thing for me... You did the right thing."
Jane Ending:
Clementine: "No one survives by doing what their heart says... They survive by doing what
their brain says. If that was his best chance to live - I get it."
Alone Ending:
Clementine: "We're all abandoned, one way or the other, eventually... I guess AJ's no
different."
Wellington Ending:
Clementine:"He was your responsiblity, no matter what."
David:"I thought it was best"
Clementine: "You thought wrong."
Interesting
What are you even trying to say?(revised to be more appropriate.)
Holy Shit! So THAT'S where that line came from!
Did you bother to even read my post its pretty self explanatory on what on i'm trying to say,if you don't understand that's your problem i'm not going to bother explaining my thoughts to someone who has previously just insulted me.
Maybe because the plot will require it?
You know when i think about it if you let Kenny kill Jane and shoot him in the head after i don't understand why Clem keep the baby with her she's alone and has nobody there's no way she would make it alone i think it's stupid.
So i don't understand why she's going after him she clearly can't take care of AJ on her own.
I'm hoping he's dead so we don't need to have the "find AJ the whole game plot" and people said it before Clem taking care of a baby alone was stupid in the first place.
I can understand not liking him as a character, but wishing death on a baby? That's a bit much even for me and I can be pretty cold.
Sometimes people have no clear idea of what they talk or think.
oh please AJ has been nothing more but a plot device most people are hoping he's dead because searching him the whole game would be boring.And it's a game relax.
There's other ways to write him out of the game and not have him be the focus of the season without killing him. Give me a break with that bullshit reasoning.
How ? Baby dies in the apocalypse and we're talking about the comics universe,and if Telltale don't want to do something with AJ then he's going to die just look at what they did to Jane and Kenny.
I admit this is a little extreme and i would be surprised if they kill him but i really don't want to be stuck searching him for 5 episodes.
i do know of what i'm talking about yeah he's a baby and i want him dead i'm sorry but that baby shouldn't even be alive Clem taking care of a baby alone ? She have to find Aj food,a baby cry so that makes it even harder anyway if you want to know the reasons @Hillbilly_Dave said it before i'm not going to explain it again.
@iFoRias
Well, the baby is out there and if he has to be killed for script reasons this will have to be done off screen. As we all know, the media is not very receptive to the death of children in games. See Fallout 4, where children are immortal.