Relationships in The Final Season...
What kind of relationships do you want to see/not see in The Final Season, either what we haven’t seen or we have seen, previously in previous Seasons, example: I would like to see a mother and a daughter relationship because I think it would be intriguing to see as we haven’t seen that relationship in other Seasons. I wouldn’t like to see another son and dad relationship as they are getting boring as we have seen this relationships numerous times in The Walking Dead game, remember my opinion. What relationships would you like to see in The Final Season?
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I was gonna slap somebody if this was romance again, I swear it.
One of the broader disappointing aspects of A New Frontier is that they squandered or even threw away some perfectly good relationships within the Garcias alone.
Except Javier&David and Gabe&David.
Another Clem/Sarah mentorship, but without killing the Sarah part off.
Or something gay. (Bury Your Gays and queer-coded villainy do not count.)
Yes agree! Would love to see a lesbian couple as we haven’t seen that relationship yet.
Something Something Evil Counterpart
A sibling dynamic that actually gets enough time to be deeply explored. I really want more of this kind of relationship but the ones we have seen on screen are either short lived since one of them dies or we just don't get to see them interact a lot.
Some political relationships that consist of more than one settlement being full of selfish assholes. I would love to see more nuanced interactions between the communities.
Doesn't have to be Nate but I would really like Clementine to have a dynamic with a character similar to the one Russell had with Nate except more in depth. Someone who would surely be a villain if they were on the opposite side of the fence yet strangely enough still gets somewhat of a sympathetic portrayal or at the very least the character is shown to have some redeeming qualities despite being a monster. Of course whether they do have those things would definitely be debatable but I think that's a good thing in a choice based game.
IF SOMEBODY SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT ROMANCE I'M GOING TO COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND I'M GOING TO PUT ALL YOUR CUPS WAY TO CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF A TABLE
AND POUR OUT ALL YOUR MILK
AND USE ALL OF YOUR PHONE DATA
THEN BREAK THE PHONE
MAYBE UNMAKE YOUR BED SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT OVER AGAIN
AND THROW A BRICK AT YOUR WINDOWS
then go home and enjoy some bacon that's been in the fridge for 6 months
This was always probably the one thing I saw Marianna contributing to the series.
Too bad even that was a farce borne of convenience.
What sucks is that ANF was clearly going for that and ultimately copped out.
Sounds like Jane. And somewhat what they originally had planned for Mike, I guess.
YOU MONSTER! YOU ARE THE DEVIL INCARNATE!
Honestly, anything that isn't another forced and undeveloped romance option for Clem, I will tolerate damn near anything else so long as we don't have another Gabentine thing in the season, especially one where we don't have a choice in the matter.
What Clementine needs is a close friend her age. In Season 1 that was Duck, and in Season 2 that was Sarah, but both of these relationships never really developed properly. Duck was always just that annoying, dumb kid and we never really saw Clem and Duck interact that much. With Clem and Sarah, you saw it a bit in the first 3 episodes, and then Telltale decided to just kill her in Amid the Ruins. But what we got in those three episodes was really good, and it had a lot of potential, Sarah was essentially a foil to what Clem was in Season 2, an opposite to Clem that also presented a look at what Clem could have been had she been overly protected by Lee and not taught how to survive.
With Clem now, she's gone even farther than the point she was at in Season 2, so it would be nice to see something like what I described above in the final season, but this time, actually utilized.
Jane could be very selfish at times but I saw her more as a pragmatist than outright evil. I was thinking someone along the lines of Badger except given more depth and humanization. Basically a truly nominal hero that Clem would be forced to work with. If I got it right Kenny, Jane and David are unscrupulous at worst.
-A friendly rivalry between Clementine and her possible companion/friend. I can see those two trying to one up each other to see who’s the better Survivor. Some friendly competition wouldn’t hurt in this series.
-Another Lee/Clementine relationship but seeing it from Clem’s view. Basically, Clementine watching someone from her new group look after someone they’ve never met before the apocalypse hit. Maybe that will cause a few flashbacks with Lee and Clem.
I guess..
What's funny about that, along with the point below, is that she sometimes borders into Stupid Evil territory when you really think about it.
So not Badger? Got it.
Kenny, yes. Even if he's almost always got some nobility attached to him in the end.
Jane, for some reason, is seemingly ranked by TVTropes as technically being more heroic than Kenny.
And I don't know what the fuck David is, if anything.
Ya know, in the past, I would've pointed out that that's not quite the type of character Clementine is, but really no one gives a fuck anymore, so why not.
(Why does this one end prematurely?)
Possibly but more often than not her actions were motivated by good intentions even if the means were pretty questionable. Even when she committed suicide. Jane and Clem couldn't possibly raise another child and being pregnant would surely limit her mobility in dangerous situations.
Pretty much yeah, what I'm basically hoping to see is a character study of Badger done right. The problem I had with Badger was that his evilness was so exaggerated it came off as cartoonish. Nate, while undoubtedly vile, still gets enough of a rounded character to come off as more human than Badger does. If you take away his psychopathic tendencies I actually have uncles who act just like Nate. That's a lot more unnerving than a character who's every action is seemingly only for evil's sake.
It's definitely highly debatable. Can't say I agree with TVTropes on that one though.
I don't believe he's nominal since it does seem like he genuinely cares for both his family and Richmond before it starting falling to ruin. Of course he does choose the military over his family but I don't think that really makes him malevolent. I think unscrupulous fits him, though I still might not have a strong grasp on how the scale works admittedly.
You monster
Who would do such a thing?
As long as there isnt a shitty Clem romance again. I mind still cant get over Gabe X Clem. Especially the Clem and Gabe kiss scene. The fact Clem was saying weird shit like "I never thought Id find someone like you ;(" like Jesus Christ they played a card game ONCE, I guess that is true love or some shit. Also the fact that the kiss happens only if you have the Jane ending. Like, how does that even correlate to Clem kissing Gabe? Like, at all?
The best part about it is the way she says, "I thought I'd always be alone... then I met... you...." and she says that if you get the Jane ending. WTF? Jane's teachings to Clem were about why it is better to be alone and why you shouldn't get too attached to people. That kiss didn't make sense for any of the endings but especially not the Jane ending. That determinant kiss really ruined a potentialy sad death scene.
Well Jane did have sex with Luke, they dint know each other that long either so it kinda does make some sense when you think about it...
No it doesn't make any sense like @Veeeee said Jane's teaching to Clem was to not get attached to people this is stupid.
Well I guess that would make Jane a hypocrite wouldn't it because Jane was pretty close to Luke.
Something that isn't forced romance like Gabe x Clem which is one of the most retarded relationships ever, it's close to the ones from Twilight, Fifty Shades and Star Wars The Last Jedi.
I want Clem be with friends and partners with a girl of her age like Sarah and work togheter on survival.
Stopping the forced friendships and overall agreeability would be a start. You'd expect 4 years into the apocalypse people would be pretty wary of strangers. Yet we have characters like Tripp who becomes Javier's best friend in a matter of hours, Eleanor who is quick to start humping on Javier's leg as soon as she sights the beard, Conrad who gets all friendly even if a day before you left his girlfriend to the wolves, Clem who starts psychoanalyzing you after a single day together... oh but I could go on.
If you need certain characters to work together but you haven't had the time to develop their relationship, have them work together out of necessity or have them have a pressing common goal, just don't create some spontaneous adoration towards the PC.
Also, you're 4 years into the apocalypse, mistrust between strangers is implied! I have a very hard time picturing people who've endured that long in a world filled with people who will rob you of all your food if they don't take your life as well, turning their back so easily on armed strangers, even if said strangers appear friendly at first glance.
Furthermore, as others have said don't have your whole narrative rely on pre-existing relationships (Kate, Gabe, David... AJ!!!!!). They are not as effective, especially when underdeveloped and hardly explored.
The Clem and Gabe kiss and what happened with Luke and Jane aren't even close to being the same thing. The Clementine and Gabe kiss is supposedly an act of genuine affection. What Jane did with Luke was lust and seduction. She liked Luke and was sad when he died but she wasn't interested in a close relationship with him that was genuinly romantic. Also Jane flat out says, "There wasn't any time for kissing."
Double post
Its strange to me how you and others are trying to downplay what jane did with luke but are upset with clementine giving a dying boy a kiss. There is no indication whatsoever that Clementine wanted to pursue a relationship with Gabe other than the fact that Gabe did seem to have feelings for Clementine. But she dint really reciprocate them and tries to downplay them, however in that one moment where clementine knows gabe is about to die aware of his feelings of her decides to give him a kiss goodbye.Now tell me how that is any different from the supposed stoic,cold Jane who has sex with Luke and your argument is as you put it was "lust and seduction"?
Oh I'm not trying to justify what Jane did with Luke at all. Jane and Luke were being a bunch of sluts. They didn't have genuine romantic feelings for each other and were having sex simply for the sake of pleasure which is messed up. I'm not saying that showing affection before someone dies is wrong. You should show affection to someone who is about to die but that stupid romantic kiss was just so out of character for Clem. What bothers me more than anything about that scene is the way Clementine makes the cheesy comment about how she was afraid of always being alone when she had spent a lot of time around Jane who taught her the importance of independence and not gettin overly attached to others.
There is nothing similar about having sex to fulfill lustful desires and kissing someone as an act of affection before they die. If you think those two things are the same thing you need some serious education.
how can clementine be out of character, last time I checked everybody has a different version of clementine that they played as so maybe she isn't the clementine you want but that doesn't me she's out of character.Also what's to say that the sex luke and jane had wasn't affection?
Now onto that last bit, if you think my education has to have any weight or bearing in a fictional discussion perhaps you need to rethink your life.
That's the problem with making Clem a side character so much of her personality had been tailored by players in both of the first two seasons. That scene might not of been out of character for everybody's Clem but it was for most people I have heard of.
I'm sorry I offended you. Looking back on that comment I wrote it really was rude and unneccesary. I was being an asshole and there is no other way of putting it. I didn't mean to insult your education I was trying to explain that there just isn't any similarity between a kiss of affection before someone dies and people engaging in lustful behavior. I think it will be best for everyone if we both move on from this topic.
Agreed I apologize as well for the way I responded, peace
Since the discussion around Clementine seducing Gabe is predictably looking like a bit of a fuckin mess, I'll just say this here lieu of directly replying:
While I do think the Janiac version of that ending is evoking the fact that Jane fucked Luke and Troy on a whim, I wouldn't be surprised if it suddenly turned out that that was meant for the Alone Ending, given how glitched up the ass or just straight up dumb many of the determinant factors are.
The fact that the clear shift in story direction coincided with that straw grasped and blown way out of proportion shipping nonsense being lazily rectonned into the game proper led me to draw three conclusions:
1. It was just Telltale deciding to troll the fans who wouldn't stfu about the mere prospect for over two months
2. It was always legitimately supported by a vocal minority of developers who tried to make sneak in nods and teases where they could(with a failed major attempt being among Above the Law's unused dialogue) before being able to hop on dat shit after being given control of the story after Above the Law
3. Or that it was a blatant gimmick using [the] fanbase's shallower tendencies to make ANF!Clementine seem "important" and "relevant" to a story she officially had zero stake in by said direction shift.
While the last is the explanation I ultimately went with for being the most pragmatic storytelling-wise(with From the Gallows proving me right, especially when said scenario was shared a month later), the last two were left in the air for being vaguely feasible given precedent.
Best friends forever
Clem meeting a younger girl and developing a sibling-esque relationship with her.
I think I would like to see Clem meeting a girl roughly the same age as her and have this teasing/friendly rivaly relationship going on, while they are complimenting each other as far as skills for survival are concerned. What also could be nice is TT really following this relationship throughout a couple of episodes (not what they did with Gabentine) and if romance needs to be there they make it a CHOICE
Oh yeah, I forgot about this thread.