Eh, Clementine(or rather ANF!Clementine) was one of the worse characters/elements, honestly.
No, I meant that the story had a tendency to rush, neglect, and even outright abort certain characters and plot points, as well as increasingly invoking and needlessly adhering to certain cliches from previous seasons/installments for the sake of getting a reaction out of people. Not to mention the story elements that went vestigial before the game even came out.
Because they were meant to be far from Clementine's Story that was just an add-up to the game. Story of the game was great, it had great sou… morendstracks, awesome scenes and good plots. People please. Just drop "Clementine is love, Clementine is life" for a moment and simply look at the game as New Frontier and no The Walking Dead Season 3. It was far better and far more enjoyable than Season 2 in which Clementine, the unknown daughter of Rick Grimes and Daryl Dixon's love was ridicolusly written.
And yes, S2s story was infinitely better than the story of a game that literally ends with every character in the same place they are when it starts, with no development and now, seemingly no purpose.
Except the writers and staff HAVE referred to ANF as Season 3 on multiple occasions. So there goes that. And yes, S2s story was infinitely b… moreetter than the story of a game that literally ends with every character in the same place they are when it starts, with no development and now, seemingly no purpose. The Alone ending of S2 looks like it would tie in better to TFS than the entirety of ANF. So I'm not going to stop with this Clementine BS, even TT felt the need to let everyone know we'd be getting back to the story as soon as they could. So there's no need for me to look at the way the game is, the value of it, or the story. I already have, and it was found sorely wanting.
Well "nobody asked" is true though. I dont recall anyone saying "I really hope S3 Clem is just tacked on and serves no purpose to the plot and is nothing more than just a side character/side kick"
Nobody is more than just 1 person, he means there was no demand saying "Make Clem a side character"
"Nobody asked" is such an annoying and entitled way to look at things. It encourages the idea that developers should only make what YOU want them to make.
The problem though is that they were calling Season 3. Go back and look at the later trailers for the game, it’s referred to as both A New F… morerontier and Season 3. And if they wanted to focus solely on Javi and the New Frontier, then they should have done that, marketed it as a sort of side story, and not include Clem at all, because her appearance is actually a huge hindrance on the game as a whole, and I’m one of the biggest Clem fans here on the forums. I’m looking at the way the game is, it’s a total mess in terms of story and it’s production (rewrites, important members leaving mid season, constant lies from Telltale). The value is more than what I paid for with S1 and S2 and I got far less content due to the shortened episode lengths. Oh, and I do find S2 better than ANF, that’s my opinion. You have yours, fine, all the more power to you, but don’t call people ridiculous for disagreeing with you.
Why do people keep using this argument? It WAS called Season 3 on numerous occasions, and let's not forget that during the pre-order phase of ANF, the game on Steam was literally called "The Walking Dead: A New Frontier (Season 3)", then a DAY before release they changed the name to "The Walking Dead: A New Frontier". You need proof of that? The game files still include "Season 3".
Sigh, I don't want to spend too much time on the obvious issues so I'll just keep it brief bro.
"Why are you fighting uncle Javi, dad?"
"Go back inside, Gabe."
"k."
"I wanna be a man, uncle Javi!"
"Just keep on stabbing that corpse like a psycho, you'll get there, Gabe."
"I can help, listen to my plans, I'm a man uncle Javi!"
"Yea, good job getting me stabbed, Gabe."
"Stop fighting uncle Javi, dad!" backhand
"Lets go Gabe, we're leaving."
"k"
That kids come a long way. It's not as good as Javier going from a deadbeat loser who can't be there for his family to a responsible adult who can be there for his family during the 4 years we don't see him, and doing very little to progress as a character during the actual game, but good. I'd put it on equal grounds with 5 episodes of Tripp reminding Javi he's the boss, Ava existing, and Conrad's struggle to change as a person during the minutes he's seen at the end of episode 2 and the first half of episode 3.
And yes, S2s story was infinitely better than the story of a game that literally ends with every character in the same place they are when it starts, with no development and now, seemingly no purpose.
Sigh...mind elaborating a bit?
I don't care if new frontier doesn't matter in the grand scheme for Clem or whatever. I really enjoyed Javi's story and the theme of family. Yeah Clem was there cool man or fucking garbage whatev, but Javi, Kate, Gabe, David (fun to hate) ect. were all really interesting characters to me. I wouldn't want to see them again cause I don't want them to die. It was a good one off season and I'm glad to have played it. Opinions opinions yada yada.
"Why are you fighting uncle Javi, dad?"
"Go back inside, Gabe."
"k."
Go watch the beginning and bridge scenes in From the Gallows, as hard as that may be.
"Stop fighting uncle Javi, dad!"
backhand
"Lets go Gabe, we're leaving."
"k"
This one in particular seems to be recurring misconception/misremembering--Gabe agreed to go with David before he went into sore loser mode again and the only reason he ended up driving off with him was because David essentially kidnapped him.
It's not as good as Javier going from a deadbeat loser who can't be there for his family to a responsible adult who can be there for his family during the 4 years we don't see him, and doing very little to progress as a character during the actual game, but good.
He did end up being kind of a Vanilla/Supporting Protagonist, sure.
Ava existing
She's kinda like Uncle Iroh in that way: a supporting character that doesn't get much development or individual focus onscreen because they've already gone through things in their backstory and they're firmly meant to act as, well, supporting characters to the major characters the story is actually focused on.
"She's not Tripp," is what I'm trying say, for those who prefer that kinda of explaination/summary.
Conrad's struggle to change as a person during the minutes he's seen at the end of episode 2 and the first half of episode 3.
Granted, that's one of the areas where the focus time and pacing was kinda insufficient/rushed.
That one of the [side] few issues I personally had with Above the Law.
Sigh, I don't want to spend too much time on the obvious issues so I'll just keep it brief bro.
"Why are you fighting uncle Javi, dad?"
… more"Go back inside, Gabe."
"k."
"I wanna be a man, uncle Javi!"
"Just keep on stabbing that corpse like a psycho, you'll get there, Gabe."
"I can help, listen to my plans, I'm a man uncle Javi!"
"Yea, good job getting me stabbed, Gabe."
"Stop fighting uncle Javi, dad!"
backhand
"Lets go Gabe, we're leaving."
"k"
That kids come a long way. It's not as good as Javier going from a deadbeat loser who can't be there for his family to a responsible adult who can be there for his family during the 4 years we don't see him, and doing very little to progress as a character during the actual game, but good. I'd put it on equal grounds with 5 episodes of Tripp reminding Javi he's the boss, Ava existing, and Conrad's struggle to change as a person during the minutes he's seen at the end of episode 2 and the first half of episode 3.
I'll have to rewatch those scenes when I get home tonight, I really don't remember David forcing Gabe to go with him though, just that the whole scene ticked me off lol.
Ava, though. She was alright as a minor character, one main thing that bothers me is how forced she feels in the big choice of episode 4. I mean, the entire situation was stupid, but this in particular was bad. She's really minimally involved, but then gets this sympathetic flashback in the episode. With someone who isn't Javier. And then Joan makes Javier choose whether she or the guy he arrived with. And I don't know why. It's a great way to get David even angrier at him if the idea is create a rift between the two, if David himself wasn't currently standing on a box behind them about to be hung. But then again, they just waltzed up to the platform and, instead of being killed by the numerous people who outnumber them, Joan opens a dialogue and makes herself look terrible in front of the entire community she wants on her side. It's mind numbing.
Tripp, though. Tripps a trip.
"Where's my friend from our destroyed community?"
"Things went bad, left him in the tunnel bro."
"You're the boss, Javi."
"Javi I need help, I like like Eleanor but she only likes me and"
"God, I do not have time for this, and I don't care about it either."
"You're a real asshole Javi!"
"What else am I, Tripp?"
"You're the boss, Javi."
"Tripp, I know you're mad that I chose to have Joan kill you, but you have to understand, I didn't think you'd be alive enough for us to have this conversation now."
"Aww, I can't stay mad at the boss."
"Why are you fighting uncle Javi, dad?"
"Go back inside, Gabe."
"k."
Go watch the beginning and bridge scenes in From the Gall… moreows, as hard as that may be.
"Stop fighting uncle Javi, dad!"
backhand
"Lets go Gabe, we're leaving."
"k"
This one in particular seems to be recurring misconception/misremembering--Gabe agreed to go with David before he went into sore loser mode again and the only reason he ended up driving off with him was because David essentially kidnapped him.
It's not as good as Javier going from a deadbeat loser who can't be there for his family to a responsible adult who can be there for his family during the 4 years we don't see him, and doing very little to progress as a character during the actual game, but good.
He did end up being kind of a Vanilla/Supporting Protagonist, sure.
Ava existing
She's kinda like Uncle Iroh in that way: a supporting character that … [view original content]
Like it or not A New Frontier does play a role in the overall story. Telltale should certainly talk about what happened with bringing AJ back to Richmond since the Final Choice we got was to either tell Clementine to bring him back or leave him be. But since we will already be with AJ at the start of The Final Season that begs the question: Where will we start off? What sort of role is Javier going to play in The Final Season? But I definitely think Telltale will provide an answer to the latter at some point
I'll have to rewatch those scenes when I get home tonight, I really don't remember David forcing Gabe to go with him though, just that the whole scene ticked me off lol.
Understandable.
Ava, though. She was alright as a minor character, one main thing that bothers me is how forced she feels in the big choice of episode 4. I mean, the entire situation was stupid, but this in particular was bad. She's really minimally involved, but then gets this sympathetic flashback in the episode. With someone who isn't Javier. And then Joan makes Javier choose whether she or the guy he arrived with. And I don't know why.
Like I've said in the past: the twist saved that scene.
Though for a different reason here. [Insert "Sympathetic!Jane, Horny!Sarah" analogy here Not]
But really, I think it was basically supposed to be "Your Number Two or Your Brother's Lieutenant." TtW!Joan wanted to teach Javier a lesson by making him choose loyalty to his brother or to himself.
It's a great way to get David even angrier at him if the idea is create a rift between the two, if David himself wasn't currently standing on a box behind them about to be hung. But then again, they just waltzed up to the platform and, instead of being killed by the numerous people who outnumber them, Joan opens a dialogue and makes herself look terrible in front of the entire community she wants on her side. It's mind numbing.
It's almost like they copped out of the intended direction in favor of playing to what the audience is familiar with and what would be easier(read: straightforward/lazy) to have happen.
I'll have to rewatch those scenes when I get home tonight, I really don't remember David forcing Gabe to go with him though, just that the w… morehole scene ticked me off lol.
Ava, though. She was alright as a minor character, one main thing that bothers me is how forced she feels in the big choice of episode 4. I mean, the entire situation was stupid, but this in particular was bad. She's really minimally involved, but then gets this sympathetic flashback in the episode. With someone who isn't Javier. And then Joan makes Javier choose whether she or the guy he arrived with. And I don't know why. It's a great way to get David even angrier at him if the idea is create a rift between the two, if David himself wasn't currently standing on a box behind them about to be hung. But then again, they just waltzed up to the platform and, instead of being killed by the numerous people who outnumber them, Joan opens a dialogue and makes herself look terribl… [view original content]
I am not living at Richmond. Literally almost every single "main" character (besides Javier) is just an awful person and I really hope they died. Kate, Gabriel, David, Tripp, Eleanor, even Ava, are all terrible people and they are up there with some of the worst Walking Dead characters in the entire franchise.
Uhm sure. A girl walking into house full of people without being seen or noticed, a girl doing parkour on the bridge and Carver's base, a girl that is a badass. Don't it look to you like it is a bit overwritten? Because people tend to shit on every The Walking Dead TV Series Episode crying how not realistic it is while you people seem to not get cringed at the ridicoulus things in S2. How about Episode 5 of Season 2 in which there was a shooting between two groups in a close range ending up with 1 girl shot and rest people magically running behind the barriers without getting a scrack?
So yeah. For me Season 2 is ridicoulus. It's just simply unbelievably ridicoulus. It is overwritten, it makes most of times non sense and that's about it. ANF on the other hand has a interesting story finally focusing on human vs human relations and not just zombie shit 5 years after the start of it. Like really. They're having troubles killing walkers after 2-3 years while in Comic book or TV series they easily managed to kill them after ~1 year.
Except the writers and staff HAVE referred to ANF as Season 3 on multiple occasions. So there goes that. And yes, S2s story was infinitely b… moreetter than the story of a game that literally ends with every character in the same place they are when it starts, with no development and now, seemingly no purpose. The Alone ending of S2 looks like it would tie in better to TFS than the entirety of ANF. So I'm not going to stop with this Clementine BS, even TT felt the need to let everyone know we'd be getting back to the story as soon as they could. So there's no need for me to look at the way the game is, the value of it, or the story. I already have, and it was found sorely wanting.
I'm not calling someone ridiculous for disagreeing with me. It's just looking at facts and logic. If people call ANF story a misunderstanding without any sense then how come they not see how Season 2 was basically hilarious in plenty of terms.
The problem though is that they were calling Season 3. Go back and look at the later trailers for the game, it’s referred to as both A New F… morerontier and Season 3. And if they wanted to focus solely on Javi and the New Frontier, then they should have done that, marketed it as a sort of side story, and not include Clem at all, because her appearance is actually a huge hindrance on the game as a whole, and I’m one of the biggest Clem fans here on the forums. I’m looking at the way the game is, it’s a total mess in terms of story and it’s production (rewrites, important members leaving mid season, constant lies from Telltale). The value is more than what I paid for with S1 and S2 and I got far less content due to the shortened episode lengths. Oh, and I do find S2 better than ANF, that’s my opinion. You have yours, fine, all the more power to you, but don’t call people ridiculous for disagreeing with you.
You mean the house where all the people were in the kitchen talking about whether or not she was one of Carvers people? Except Sarah. Who actually caught her snooping around. I don't think you know what parkour is, but if you want ridiculous, go watch Jesus jump kicking off of walls in ANF. And yea, she was a real badass sneaking around Carvers base while all the people Carvers men would actually notice wasn't locked up stayed in the cell. The fact that you think S2 was focusing on zombie shit instead of human vs humans relations is genuinely mind blowing, I don't think we played the same game when it comes to either S2 or ANF, I'd love to try your magical versions.
Uhm sure. A girl walking into house full of people without being seen or noticed, a girl doing parkour on the bridge and Carver's base, a gi… morerl that is a badass. Don't it look to you like it is a bit overwritten? Because people tend to shit on every The Walking Dead TV Series Episode crying how not realistic it is while you people seem to not get cringed at the ridicoulus things in S2. How about Episode 5 of Season 2 in which there was a shooting between two groups in a close range ending up with 1 girl shot and rest people magically running behind the barriers without getting a scrack?
So yeah. For me Season 2 is ridicoulus. It's just simply unbelievably ridicoulus. It is overwritten, it makes most of times non sense and that's about it. ANF on the other hand has a interesting story finally focusing on human vs human relations and not just zombie shit 5 years after the start of it. Like really. They're having troubles killing walkers after… [view original content]
How Jesus jump kicking walkers is ridicolous? It's realistic. I maybe went too far with this S2E1 house looking, but S2E3 climbing in Carver's base was ridicolous. I didn't say it was focusing on zombie shit, but most of the times it was arugeing inside the group with Carver's arc that should have been longer. Also 11 years old girl getting shot from a shotgun and being completely ok few hours after also is quite natural. Yeah man, she is a reeeealll badass. So yeah. For me S2 is overwritten crap with 11 years old Daryl Dixon as a main character.
You mean the house where all the people were in the kitchen talking about whether or not she was one of Carvers people? Except Sarah. Who ac… moretually caught her snooping around. I don't think you know what parkour is, but if you want ridiculous, go watch Jesus jump kicking off of walls in ANF. And yea, she was a real badass sneaking around Carvers base while all the people Carvers men would actually notice wasn't locked up stayed in the cell. The fact that you think S2 was focusing on zombie shit instead of human vs humans relations is genuinely mind blowing, I don't think we played the same game when it comes to either S2 or ANF, I'd love to try your magical versions.
I'm not calling someone ridiculous for disagreeing with me.
From your post: "If you say that S2 story was better than New Frontier then it will be a grand new level of being ridicoulus. By the way, you still misspelled ridiculous in the post above.
If people call ANF story a misunderstanding without any sense then how come they not see how Season 2 was basically hilarious in plenty of terms.
People do, I don't know where the hell you have been. Before ANF, S2 got tons of shit for some of the decisions and the way things were executed, even now it still does. However, the flaws in that game are still minimal and the production problems far less evident than they were in ANF.
A girl walking into house full of people without being seen or noticed
How is that not believable? Everyone else except Sarah was gathered in one room, which she didn't enter and can only peak in for a short period of time. She makes little to no noise when she gets inside the house, and even if she did, it was drowned out by the sound of the rain occurring outside. She used tools that she found and the environment to break out of the shed, sneak into the house, and remain hidden. She's a little girl, she can do a better job of hiding and sneaking around than most other people, not sure why this is a problem.
a girl doing parkour on the bridge and Carver's base
I guess you're completely forgetting Molly from Season 1 doing far more extreme, dangerous, and actual parkour stuff? And I'm not sure how any of the stuff Clem did was "parkour." Ducking attacks and doing pull-ups are not "parkour." She struggled a lot in the fight on the bridge, nearly falling to her death a few times, and both the combat and the QTE's showed that many of the tasks she was doing, because of her age and size, were hard for her. Carver's base was here climbing a ladder, opening a window, and using the storage containers to get towards the ground, wow, that's some parkour shit right there.
a girl that is a badass
So girls can't be strong or badass characters? Again, Molly, but we also have Carley, Lilly, Jane, Ava, Kate (a bit) from the games, as well as Michonne, Andrea (comics), and Carol (TV show) that are badass female characters.
Don't it look to you like it is a bit overwritten?
Some things, like her breaking down a door, yes, but not those things you mentioned.
How about Episode 5 of Season 2 in which there was a shooting between two groups in a close range ending up with 1 girl shot and rest people magically running behind the barriers without getting a scrack?
You really need to work on your spelling and grammar. Yes, that is unlikely, everyone is in agreement with that, but that doesn't excuse the stuff that doesn't make sense in ANF, and again, ANF has far more unbelievable moments, as well as things that don't make sense, than S2 does.
How about Kate, after getting shot and nearly dying, being able to walk around, run, jump and ride a helicopter blade (which is very ridiculous in and of itself) in episodes 4 and 5, but in episode 3, she was barely able to walk. Remember, from her getting shot to Episode 5, that's about 3-4 days, if that. How about Clem, in episode 1, not only knowing that a truck would be traveling down that road at that specific time, but being able to cut down a tree with supposedly no tools to help her? How about Javi and the others being able to sneak back into Richmond, despite their supposedly being armed guards and numerous barricades preventing them from getting in? How about Joan or Clint magically disappearing, along with Max, and never showing up again? How about Javi, and possibly Kate, essentially becoming the new leaders of Richmond at the end of the season, despite the fact that they have only been there for a couple of days, but are also responsible for letting the herd in? How about both David and Kate's characters flipping on a dime with no development or reasoning as to why? How about Tripp, the supposed leader of Prescott, completely abandoning his people to die but making sure the people he just met the previous day got out? How about David, despite saying that they should have left AJ to die, decides to take AJ away from Clem after he kicks her out? How about everyone siding with Joan with little to no persuasion, after David, Javi, and Max bring to light everything she's done, and saying David put himself before the group? How about Jesus saying that the New Frontier recently took over Richmond, but when we get there, it seems like they've been there for a long time? Also, how did ANF take over Richmond, seems like a pretty big place for them to supposedly conquer, how the hell did they go in and take over? Wouldn't the people of Richmond that were living there before ANF took over hold some sort of animosity for them, it seems like they have accepted them pretty quickly for supposedly coming in and overthrowing their old leadership. Why do they continually leave the drug addicted doctor in charge of all of the drugs? Why does David do nothing when he sees that Lingard is high, again, and actually wasting drugs, but then get pissed at Clem for giving AJ medication that could help him? Why does the Jane endings cause Clem to kiss Gabe (okay, this is more of a personal complaint of mine, but seriously, it really makes no sense)?
S2 has its faults and its fair share of moments that leave you scratching your head, but ANF is far worse.
Also 11 years old girl getting shot from a shotgun and being completely ok few hours after also is quite natural
It was a rifle, not a shotgun, that shot her in the shoulder, hitting no major organs, and the bullet went straight through. I wouldn't say she's fine, she's clearly in pain from what happened afterwards and was out for longer than a few hours. Kenny and Jane were also close by and helped patch her up immediately following it as they were awoken by the gunshot. Is it entirely plausible, no, but I wouldn't necessarily say it breaks the suspension of disbelief.
I'm not calling someone ridiculous for disagreeing with me. It's just looking at facts and logic. If people call ANF story a misunderstanding without any sense then how come they not see how Season 2 was basically hilarious in plenty of terms.
You know how much nerve damage Javier would have after having a knife jammed into his shoulder? But he's absolutely fine a few minutes later. Didn't even need to make sure the needle he stuck into his open wound was sterile, because he's reallll badasssss.
Shoulder wounds are an idiotic trope most people overlook because its so common at this point. I'm not even going to address Jesus jumping off of walls being realistic. Please, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you've got to kick something, do not do this. Just don't.
How Jesus jump kicking walkers is ridicolous? It's realistic. I maybe went too far with this S2E1 house looking, but S2E3 climbing in Carver… more's base was ridicolous. I didn't say it was focusing on zombie shit, but most of the times it was arugeing inside the group with Carver's arc that should have been longer. Also 11 years old girl getting shot from a shotgun and being completely ok few hours after also is quite natural. Yeah man, she is a reeeealll badass. So yeah. For me S2 is overwritten crap with 11 years old Daryl Dixon as a main character.
A girl walking into house full of people without being seen or noticed
Sarah does interact with her and determinately Nick and Carlos at least notice her, whether they realize that's who it is.
Don't it look to you like it is a bit overwritten?
Overwritten?
How about Episode 5 of Season 2 in which there was a shooting between two groups in a close range ending up with 1 girl shot and rest people magically running behind the barriers without getting a scrack?
To be fair, Buricko(or properly, Vitali) got shot in the leg and Mike gets shot in the arm.
Uhm sure. A girl walking into house full of people without being seen or noticed, a girl doing parkour on the bridge and Carver's base, a gi… morerl that is a badass. Don't it look to you like it is a bit overwritten? Because people tend to shit on every The Walking Dead TV Series Episode crying how not realistic it is while you people seem to not get cringed at the ridicoulus things in S2. How about Episode 5 of Season 2 in which there was a shooting between two groups in a close range ending up with 1 girl shot and rest people magically running behind the barriers without getting a scrack?
So yeah. For me Season 2 is ridicoulus. It's just simply unbelievably ridicoulus. It is overwritten, it makes most of times non sense and that's about it. ANF on the other hand has a interesting story finally focusing on human vs human relations and not just zombie shit 5 years after the start of it. Like really. They're having troubles killing walkers after… [view original content]
You mean the house where all the people were in the kitchen talking about whether or not she was one of Carvers people? Except Sarah. Who ac… moretually caught her snooping around. I don't think you know what parkour is, but if you want ridiculous, go watch Jesus jump kicking off of walls in ANF. And yea, she was a real badass sneaking around Carvers base while all the people Carvers men would actually notice wasn't locked up stayed in the cell. The fact that you think S2 was focusing on zombie shit instead of human vs humans relations is genuinely mind blowing, I don't think we played the same game when it comes to either S2 or ANF, I'd love to try your magical versions.
How Jesus jump kicking walkers is ridicolous? It's realistic. I maybe went too far with this S2E1 house looking, but S2E3 climbing in Carver… more's base was ridicolous. I didn't say it was focusing on zombie shit, but most of the times it was arugeing inside the group with Carver's arc that should have been longer. Also 11 years old girl getting shot from a shotgun and being completely ok few hours after also is quite natural. Yeah man, she is a reeeealll badass. So yeah. For me S2 is overwritten crap with 11 years old Daryl Dixon as a main character.
When you find out that you can play Season 4 without wasting your time on playing A New Frontier which resulted that your choices from that game will not affect The Final Season and makes you think you just wasted your money for unnecessary decisions.
I guess you're completely forgetting Molly from Season 1 doing far more extreme, dangerous, and actual parkour stuff?
With a car battery on her during one or two chapters, no less.
How about Kate, after getting shot and nearly dying, being able to walk around, run, jump and ride a helicopter blade (which is very ridiculous in and of itself) in episodes 4 and 5, but in episode 3, she was barely able to walk. Remember, from her getting shot to Episode 5, that's about 3-4 days, if that.
Yeah, admittedly, that did kinda bother me too at first, but I stopped caring about a bit.
How about Clem, in episode 1, not only knowing that a truck would be traveling down that road at that specific time, but being able to cut down a tree with supposedly no tools to help her?
A tree that was perfectly timed and angled, btw.
How about Javi and the others being able to sneak back into Richmond, despite their supposedly being armed guards and numerous barricades preventing them from getting in?
They actually explain/handwave that--they went in through a certain spot in the back.
How about Javi, and possibly Kate, essentially becoming the new leaders of Richmond at the end of the season, despite the fact that they have only been there for a couple of days, but are also responsible for letting the herd in?
They did save the city, had Blasphemous KungFu Hobo Knight there to vouch for and watch out for them for a bit. I guess the people were just focusing on recovering from the breach at the time.
How about both David and Kate's characters flipping on a dime with no development or reasoning as to why?
Actually, they didn't--David was behaving more or less how he had been characterized throughout the entire installment and Kate actually had honest to goodness slow/organic buildup throughout the final episode(s).
Not saying the former wasn't done to a dumb, poorly timed and justified degree or that either were adequately paced and thoroughly explained, but still.
How about Jesus saying that the New Frontier recently took over Richmond, but when we get there, it seems like they've been there for a long time? Also, how did ANF take over Richmond, seems like a pretty big place for them to supposedly conquer, how the hell did they go in and take over? Wouldn't the people of Richmond that were living there before ANF took over hold some sort of animosity for them, it seems like they have accepted them pretty quickly for supposedly coming in and overthrowing their old leadership
Yeah, that was partially a product of a rewriting oversight.
Granted, Joan does mention that they've been there for about a year, but still.
Why do they continually leave the drug addicted doctor in charge of all of the drugs?
Because he was their only doctor and he's more than competent enough at his job.
Also, I'm pretty sure that's another thing where the direction shift changed the original intent, since Lingard seemed to have sobered up and improved considerably in Above the Law, yet Eleanor claims that he's constantly out of it if you took his deal in Thicker than Water.
Why does David do nothing when he sees that Lingard is high, again, and actually wasting drugs, but then get pissed at Clem for giving AJ medication that could help him?
Simple: Nepotism, Seniority, and Pragmatism. After all, Lingard is both his friend and a very important member of their group who's smart and diligent enough to limit how much medicine gets used, while Clementine is a barely 5 ft outsider who brought a seriously sick baby into the group and ended up wasting what was left of medicine she was already told wouldn't help.
Come to think of it, they never do establish what he was getting high off of and Clementine's dialogue didn't seem to pinpoint that he was using any medicine, oddly enough.
Why does the Jane endings cause Clem to kiss Gabe (okay, this is more of a personal complaint of mine, but seriously, it really makes no sense)?
I've recently come to the idea that while it technically has some precedent given that Jane was "Bear with Wide Canyon," that scenario was probably meant for the Alone Ending but it's another example of how that game's determinate factors are glitched up the ass.
Then again, that ending in general was unnecessary and near-sighted to begin with.
I'm not calling someone ridiculous for disagreeing with me.
From your post: "If you say that S2 story was better than New Frontier t… morehen it will be a grand new level of being ridicoulus. By the way, you still misspelled ridiculous in the post above.
If people call ANF story a misunderstanding without any sense then how come they not see how Season 2 was basically hilarious in plenty of terms.
People do, I don't know where the hell you have been. Before ANF, S2 got tons of shit for some of the decisions and the way things were executed, even now it still does. However, the flaws in that game are still minimal and the production problems far less evident than they were in ANF.
A girl walking into house full of people without being seen or noticed
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You know how much nerve damage Javier would have after having a knife jammed into his shoulder? But he's absolutely fine a few minutes later… more. Didn't even need to make sure the needle he stuck into his open wound was sterile, because he's reallll badasssss.
Shoulder wounds are an idiotic trope most people overlook because its so common at this point. I'm not even going to address Jesus jumping off of walls being realistic. Please, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you've got to kick something, do not do this. Just don't.
They actually explain/handwave that--they went in through a certain spot in the back.
Alright, I'll take your word for it. I honestly don't remember that, but then again, I don't remember a lot from the game.
David was behaving more or less how he had been characterized throughout the entire installment
Temperamental, volatile, and quick to anger, sure, but he was saying how Richmond was a great place and he was one of the leaders, now he's talking about how Richmond is awful and that they should leave. I get that Joan and Clint were trying to hang him, but that's not a reason to turn on the community as a whole.
Because he was their only doctor and he's more than competent enough at his job.
I get that he's the only doctor, but if he's also addicted to the drugs he uses, than either have someone else watching over the drugs or have someone constantly watching over Lingard to make sure he's not going to use them for himself. A real simple solution right there.
I guess you're completely forgetting Molly from Season 1 doing far more extreme, dangerous, and actual parkour stuff?
With a car bat… moretery on her during one or two chapters, no less.
How about Kate, after getting shot and nearly dying, being able to walk around, run, jump and ride a helicopter blade (which is very ridiculous in and of itself) in episodes 4 and 5, but in episode 3, she was barely able to walk. Remember, from her getting shot to Episode 5, that's about 3-4 days, if that.
Yeah, admittedly, that did kinda bother me too at first, but I stopped caring about a bit.
How about Clem, in episode 1, not only knowing that a truck would be traveling down that road at that specific time, but being able to cut down a tree with supposedly no tools to help her?
A tree that was perfectly timed and angled, btw.
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Alright, I'll take your word for it. I honestly don't remember that, but then again, I don't remember a lot from the game.
Understandable. I believe it's after they realize Lonnie got away.
Temperamental, volatile, and quick to anger, sure,
Don't forget fundamentalist, privileged, aggressive, jealous, petty, insecure, bullish, and a sore loser jackass.
but he was saying how Richmond was a great place and he was one of the leaders, now he's talking about how Richmond is awful and that they should leave. I get that Joan and Clint were trying to hang him, but that's not a reason to turn on the community as a whole.
The point of him wanting to leave was because he didn't want to lose anymore. He had his family with him, they were outside of the city, and there was a vehicle for them to drive away in right there--he'd rather just call it quits and say he won.
Also, he is more than willing to execute what is implied to be a very close old friend of his, forgoes accepting a deal that would allow him and his family to just walk away in favor of getting revenge(even if it's also on the guy who gave him said opportunity), and later outright declares he's gonna do so to his own little brother, so....
I get that he's the only doctor, but if he's also addicted to the drugs he uses, than either have someone else watching over the drugs or have someone constantly watching over Lingard to make sure he's not going to use them for himself. A real simple solution right there.
Very true. I guess it'd be safe to assume that did happen, even with the afformentioned direction change inconsistency.
Might as well add hypocrisy to the list.
Well, this IS a Kenny-clone we're talking about here.
They actually explain/handwave that--they went in through a certain spot in the back.
Alright, I'll take your word for it. I honestl… morey don't remember that, but then again, I don't remember a lot from the game.
David was behaving more or less how he had been characterized throughout the entire installment
Temperamental, volatile, and quick to anger, sure, but he was saying how Richmond was a great place and he was one of the leaders, now he's talking about how Richmond is awful and that they should leave. I get that Joan and Clint were trying to hang him, but that's not a reason to turn on the community as a whole.
Because he was their only doctor and he's more than competent enough at his job.
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Eh, Clementine(or rather ANF!Clementine) was one of the worse characters/elements, honestly.
No, I meant that the story had a tendency to rush, neglect, and even outright abort certain characters and plot points, as well as increasingly invoking and needlessly adhering to certain cliches from previous seasons/installments for the sake of getting a reaction out of people. Not to mention the story elements that went vestigial before the game even came out.
Sigh...mind elaborating a bit?
Well "nobody asked" is true though. I dont recall anyone saying "I really hope S3 Clem is just tacked on and serves no purpose to the plot and is nothing more than just a side character/side kick"
Nobody is more than just 1 person, he means there was no demand saying "Make Clem a side character"
I feel like that was Telltale ultimately jumpin the gun and then having the sleep in a small portion of the bed they made..
ANF should remain as the ugly step child of the whole series
Why do people keep using this argument? It WAS called Season 3 on numerous occasions, and let's not forget that during the pre-order phase of ANF, the game on Steam was literally called "The Walking Dead: A New Frontier (Season 3)", then a DAY before release they changed the name to "The Walking Dead: A New Frontier". You need proof of that? The game files still include "Season 3".
Sigh, I don't want to spend too much time on the obvious issues so I'll just keep it brief bro.
"Why are you fighting uncle Javi, dad?"
"Go back inside, Gabe."
"k."
"I wanna be a man, uncle Javi!"
"Just keep on stabbing that corpse like a psycho, you'll get there, Gabe."
"I can help, listen to my plans, I'm a man uncle Javi!"
"Yea, good job getting me stabbed, Gabe."
"Stop fighting uncle Javi, dad!"
backhand
"Lets go Gabe, we're leaving."
"k"
That kids come a long way. It's not as good as Javier going from a deadbeat loser who can't be there for his family to a responsible adult who can be there for his family during the 4 years we don't see him, and doing very little to progress as a character during the actual game, but good. I'd put it on equal grounds with 5 episodes of Tripp reminding Javi he's the boss, Ava existing, and Conrad's struggle to change as a person during the minutes he's seen at the end of episode 2 and the first half of episode 3.
I don't care if new frontier doesn't matter in the grand scheme for Clem or whatever. I really enjoyed Javi's story and the theme of family. Yeah Clem was there cool man or fucking garbage whatev, but Javi, Kate, Gabe, David (fun to hate) ect. were all really interesting characters to me. I wouldn't want to see them again cause I don't want them to die. It was a good one off season and I'm glad to have played it. Opinions opinions yada yada.
Javier: Bring AJ back Clem.
Clem:
Finds AJ
Lives somewhere else
Go watch the beginning and bridge scenes in From the Gallows, as hard as that may be.
This one in particular seems to be recurring misconception/misremembering--Gabe agreed to go with David before he went into sore loser mode again and the only reason he ended up driving off with him was because David essentially kidnapped him.
He did end up being kind of a Vanilla/Supporting Protagonist, sure.
She's kinda like Uncle Iroh in that way: a supporting character that doesn't get much development or individual focus onscreen because they've already gone through things in their backstory and they're firmly meant to act as, well, supporting characters to the major characters the story is actually focused on.
"She's not Tripp," is what I'm trying say, for those who prefer that kinda of explaination/summary.
Granted, that's one of the areas where the focus time and pacing was kinda insufficient/rushed.
That one of the [side] few issues I personally had with Above the Law.
I'll have to rewatch those scenes when I get home tonight, I really don't remember David forcing Gabe to go with him though, just that the whole scene ticked me off lol.
Ava, though. She was alright as a minor character, one main thing that bothers me is how forced she feels in the big choice of episode 4. I mean, the entire situation was stupid, but this in particular was bad. She's really minimally involved, but then gets this sympathetic flashback in the episode. With someone who isn't Javier. And then Joan makes Javier choose whether she or the guy he arrived with. And I don't know why. It's a great way to get David even angrier at him if the idea is create a rift between the two, if David himself wasn't currently standing on a box behind them about to be hung. But then again, they just waltzed up to the platform and, instead of being killed by the numerous people who outnumber them, Joan opens a dialogue and makes herself look terrible in front of the entire community she wants on her side. It's mind numbing.
Tripp, though. Tripps a trip.
"Where's my friend from our destroyed community?"
"Things went bad, left him in the tunnel bro."
"You're the boss, Javi."
"Javi I need help, I like like Eleanor but she only likes me and"
"God, I do not have time for this, and I don't care about it either."
"You're a real asshole Javi!"
"What else am I, Tripp?"
"You're the boss, Javi."
"Tripp, I know you're mad that I chose to have Joan kill you, but you have to understand, I didn't think you'd be alive enough for us to have this conversation now."
"Aww, I can't stay mad at the boss."
Oh, Tripp.
Like it or not A New Frontier does play a role in the overall story. Telltale should certainly talk about what happened with bringing AJ back to Richmond since the Final Choice we got was to either tell Clementine to bring him back or leave him be. But since we will already be with AJ at the start of The Final Season that begs the question: Where will we start off? What sort of role is Javier going to play in The Final Season? But I definitely think Telltale will provide an answer to the latter at some point
Understandable.
Like I've said in the past: the twist saved that scene.
Though for a different reason here. [Insert "Sympathetic!Jane, Horny!Sarah" analogy here Not]
But really, I think it was basically supposed to be "Your Number Two or Your Brother's Lieutenant." TtW!Joan wanted to teach Javier a lesson by making him choose loyalty to his brother or to himself.
It's almost like they copped out of the intended direction in favor of playing to what the audience is familiar with and what would be easier(read: straightforward/lazy) to have happen.
That's one of way of putting it.
I know some people that really like to live in the past, but you guys are the truly winners.
I am not living at Richmond. Literally almost every single "main" character (besides Javier) is just an awful person and I really hope they died. Kate, Gabriel, David, Tripp, Eleanor, even Ava, are all terrible people and they are up there with some of the worst Walking Dead characters in the entire franchise.
If I see you change an avatar one more time...
Uhm sure. A girl walking into house full of people without being seen or noticed, a girl doing parkour on the bridge and Carver's base, a girl that is a badass. Don't it look to you like it is a bit overwritten? Because people tend to shit on every The Walking Dead TV Series Episode crying how not realistic it is while you people seem to not get cringed at the ridicoulus things in S2. How about Episode 5 of Season 2 in which there was a shooting between two groups in a close range ending up with 1 girl shot and rest people magically running behind the barriers without getting a scrack?
So yeah. For me Season 2 is ridicoulus. It's just simply unbelievably ridicoulus. It is overwritten, it makes most of times non sense and that's about it. ANF on the other hand has a interesting story finally focusing on human vs human relations and not just zombie shit 5 years after the start of it. Like really. They're having troubles killing walkers after 2-3 years while in Comic book or TV series they easily managed to kill them after ~1 year.
I'm not calling someone ridiculous for disagreeing with me. It's just looking at facts and logic. If people call ANF story a misunderstanding without any sense then how come they not see how Season 2 was basically hilarious in plenty of terms.
You mean the house where all the people were in the kitchen talking about whether or not she was one of Carvers people? Except Sarah. Who actually caught her snooping around. I don't think you know what parkour is, but if you want ridiculous, go watch Jesus jump kicking off of walls in ANF. And yea, she was a real badass sneaking around Carvers base while all the people Carvers men would actually notice wasn't locked up stayed in the cell. The fact that you think S2 was focusing on zombie shit instead of human vs humans relations is genuinely mind blowing, I don't think we played the same game when it comes to either S2 or ANF, I'd love to try your magical versions.
How Jesus jump kicking walkers is ridicolous? It's realistic. I maybe went too far with this S2E1 house looking, but S2E3 climbing in Carver's base was ridicolous. I didn't say it was focusing on zombie shit, but most of the times it was arugeing inside the group with Carver's arc that should have been longer. Also 11 years old girl getting shot from a shotgun and being completely ok few hours after also is quite natural. Yeah man, she is a reeeealll badass. So yeah. For me S2 is overwritten crap with 11 years old Daryl Dixon as a main character.
From your post: "If you say that S2 story was better than New Frontier then it will be a grand new level of being ridicoulus. By the way, you still misspelled ridiculous in the post above.
People do, I don't know where the hell you have been. Before ANF, S2 got tons of shit for some of the decisions and the way things were executed, even now it still does. However, the flaws in that game are still minimal and the production problems far less evident than they were in ANF.
How is that not believable? Everyone else except Sarah was gathered in one room, which she didn't enter and can only peak in for a short period of time. She makes little to no noise when she gets inside the house, and even if she did, it was drowned out by the sound of the rain occurring outside. She used tools that she found and the environment to break out of the shed, sneak into the house, and remain hidden. She's a little girl, she can do a better job of hiding and sneaking around than most other people, not sure why this is a problem.
I guess you're completely forgetting Molly from Season 1 doing far more extreme, dangerous, and actual parkour stuff? And I'm not sure how any of the stuff Clem did was "parkour." Ducking attacks and doing pull-ups are not "parkour." She struggled a lot in the fight on the bridge, nearly falling to her death a few times, and both the combat and the QTE's showed that many of the tasks she was doing, because of her age and size, were hard for her. Carver's base was here climbing a ladder, opening a window, and using the storage containers to get towards the ground, wow, that's some parkour shit right there.
So girls can't be strong or badass characters? Again, Molly, but we also have Carley, Lilly, Jane, Ava, Kate (a bit) from the games, as well as Michonne, Andrea (comics), and Carol (TV show) that are badass female characters.
Some things, like her breaking down a door, yes, but not those things you mentioned.
You really need to work on your spelling and grammar. Yes, that is unlikely, everyone is in agreement with that, but that doesn't excuse the stuff that doesn't make sense in ANF, and again, ANF has far more unbelievable moments, as well as things that don't make sense, than S2 does.
How about Kate, after getting shot and nearly dying, being able to walk around, run, jump and ride a helicopter blade (which is very ridiculous in and of itself) in episodes 4 and 5, but in episode 3, she was barely able to walk. Remember, from her getting shot to Episode 5, that's about 3-4 days, if that. How about Clem, in episode 1, not only knowing that a truck would be traveling down that road at that specific time, but being able to cut down a tree with supposedly no tools to help her? How about Javi and the others being able to sneak back into Richmond, despite their supposedly being armed guards and numerous barricades preventing them from getting in? How about Joan or Clint magically disappearing, along with Max, and never showing up again? How about Javi, and possibly Kate, essentially becoming the new leaders of Richmond at the end of the season, despite the fact that they have only been there for a couple of days, but are also responsible for letting the herd in? How about both David and Kate's characters flipping on a dime with no development or reasoning as to why? How about Tripp, the supposed leader of Prescott, completely abandoning his people to die but making sure the people he just met the previous day got out? How about David, despite saying that they should have left AJ to die, decides to take AJ away from Clem after he kicks her out? How about everyone siding with Joan with little to no persuasion, after David, Javi, and Max bring to light everything she's done, and saying David put himself before the group? How about Jesus saying that the New Frontier recently took over Richmond, but when we get there, it seems like they've been there for a long time? Also, how did ANF take over Richmond, seems like a pretty big place for them to supposedly conquer, how the hell did they go in and take over? Wouldn't the people of Richmond that were living there before ANF took over hold some sort of animosity for them, it seems like they have accepted them pretty quickly for supposedly coming in and overthrowing their old leadership. Why do they continually leave the drug addicted doctor in charge of all of the drugs? Why does David do nothing when he sees that Lingard is high, again, and actually wasting drugs, but then get pissed at Clem for giving AJ medication that could help him? Why does the Jane endings cause Clem to kiss Gabe (okay, this is more of a personal complaint of mine, but seriously, it really makes no sense)?
S2 has its faults and its fair share of moments that leave you scratching your head, but ANF is far worse.
It was a rifle, not a shotgun, that shot her in the shoulder, hitting no major organs, and the bullet went straight through. I wouldn't say she's fine, she's clearly in pain from what happened afterwards and was out for longer than a few hours. Kenny and Jane were also close by and helped patch her up immediately following it as they were awoken by the gunshot. Is it entirely plausible, no, but I wouldn't necessarily say it breaks the suspension of disbelief.
You know how much nerve damage Javier would have after having a knife jammed into his shoulder? But he's absolutely fine a few minutes later. Didn't even need to make sure the needle he stuck into his open wound was sterile, because he's reallll badasssss.
Shoulder wounds are an idiotic trope most people overlook because its so common at this point. I'm not even going to address Jesus jumping off of walls being realistic. Please, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you've got to kick something, do not do this. Just don't.
What? You don't like Noodles in a cup?
Sarah does interact with her and determinately Nick and Carlos at least notice her, whether they realize that's who it is.
Overwritten?
To be fair, Buricko(or properly, Vitali) got shot in the leg and Mike gets shot in the arm.
Ch'yeah, seriously.
This is The Walking Dead, not The Matrix.
Actually, I think it was a rifle, but the point still stands.
I can agree.
When you find out that you can play Season 4 without wasting your time on playing A New Frontier which resulted that your choices from that game will not affect The Final Season and makes you think you just wasted your money for unnecessary decisions.
With a car battery on her during one or two chapters, no less.
Yeah, admittedly, that did kinda bother me too at first, but I stopped caring about a bit.
A tree that was perfectly timed and angled, btw.
They actually explain/handwave that--they went in through a certain spot in the back.
They did save the city, had Blasphemous KungFu Hobo Knight there to vouch for and watch out for them for a bit. I guess the people were just focusing on recovering from the breach at the time.
Actually, they didn't--David was behaving more or less how he had been characterized throughout the entire installment and Kate actually had honest to goodness slow/organic buildup throughout the final episode(s).
Not saying the former wasn't done to a dumb, poorly timed and justified degree or that either were adequately paced and thoroughly explained, but still.
Yeah, that was partially a product of a rewriting oversight.
Granted, Joan does mention that they've been there for about a year, but still.
Because he was their only doctor and he's more than competent enough at his job.
Also, I'm pretty sure that's another thing where the direction shift changed the original intent, since Lingard seemed to have sobered up and improved considerably in Above the Law, yet Eleanor claims that he's constantly out of it if you took his deal in Thicker than Water.
Simple: Nepotism, Seniority, and Pragmatism. After all, Lingard is both his friend and a very important member of their group who's smart and diligent enough to limit how much medicine gets used, while Clementine is a barely 5 ft outsider who brought a seriously sick baby into the group and ended up wasting what was left of medicine she was already told wouldn't help.
Come to think of it, they never do establish what he was getting high off of and Clementine's dialogue didn't seem to pinpoint that he was using any medicine, oddly enough.
I've recently come to the idea that while it technically has some precedent given that Jane was "Bear with Wide Canyon," that scenario was probably meant for the Alone Ending but it's another example of how that game's determinate factors are glitched up the ass.
Then again, that ending in general was unnecessary and near-sighted to begin with.
Well, considering he used it to drag The Specialist into the closet...
Alright, I'll take your word for it. I honestly don't remember that, but then again, I don't remember a lot from the game.
Temperamental, volatile, and quick to anger, sure, but he was saying how Richmond was a great place and he was one of the leaders, now he's talking about how Richmond is awful and that they should leave. I get that Joan and Clint were trying to hang him, but that's not a reason to turn on the community as a whole.
I get that he's the only doctor, but if he's also addicted to the drugs he uses, than either have someone else watching over the drugs or have someone constantly watching over Lingard to make sure he's not going to use them for himself. A real simple solution right there.
Might as well add hypocrisy to the list.
Understandable. I believe it's after they realize Lonnie got away.
Don't forget fundamentalist, privileged, aggressive, jealous, petty, insecure, bullish, and a sore loser jackass.
The point of him wanting to leave was because he didn't want to lose anymore. He had his family with him, they were outside of the city, and there was a vehicle for them to drive away in right there--he'd rather just call it quits and say he won.
Also, he is more than willing to execute what is implied to be a very close old friend of his, forgoes accepting a deal that would allow him and his family to just walk away in favor of getting revenge(even if it's also on the guy who gave him said opportunity), and later outright declares he's gonna do so to his own little brother, so....
Very true. I guess it'd be safe to assume that did happen, even with the afformentioned direction change inconsistency.
Well, this IS a Kenny-clone we're talking about here.
I can't respond to this
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This Gabe?
...
GET THIS THING OUT OF MY SIGHT!
Uh, was this meant to be a reply to someone?
Cause it's kind of a BLAM as it is.
Not sure how I feel about Gabe's nose there, btw.
Reported for being offensive lol.
Seriously. this offends me so much lol
Nope. Try this Gabe.
It is so weird to see him in a modelswap when he doesn't look like the Pizza is aggressive.