I also left out the part where the manager during that time left and was replaced by a new manager who wanted to work on what made the driver so talented and focus on giving the fans what they want: a great performance in the Grand Prix. While the new manager did praise the efforts made by the driver to improve his performance he knew that he had to take control and put a lot more focus into what made the driver as talented as they were. His game plan was to allow the driver to take their time to work on new tactics and strategies so they can improve. This proved to have been beneficial to the driver as they completed a race and was praised for their performance and concentration.
Oh your analogy worked quite well and you did a good job explaining it. You just left some parts out. Like that time they stopped mid race t… moreo repaint the car, then promptly drove that car into that stands and then blamed the people they ran over for messing up their lap time. Or that time they switched to boat racing for some reason. Then switched back to car racing but lied about how big the car was or that the fan favorite mascot was going to have a big role in the race. Then during the press junkets ran around slapping anyone who asked a reasonable question that wasn't just glowing praise.
But other than that, it made perfect sense to me at least.
Also, a few things I'd like to add to the discussion after seeing the first trailer:
The art style looks amazing. A great mixture of S1/S2's comic style and ANF's realism. Clementines model is looking great and there are no signs of the cringey look she had at the end of ANF. Telltale is teasing relationship building and tough choices, as well as our choices determining what happens to her. Also, 4 episodes instead of 5 tells me that they know what story they're going to tell and they're not just going to make shit up on the fly to fulfill their usual 5 episodes. I fully expect each of the 4 episodes to be of decent length.
The only thing I didn't like was how AJ sounded like three times his age. I guess it's good for him to be talking so we can actually converse with him but I do hope they tweak his voice to sound a lot younger.
Repainting the car: Deciding to switch season 2’s focus to the Kenny/Jane conflict.
Running it into the stands: Amid the ruins, and their awful attitude towards people who did not like where they went with the story.
Boat Racing: Michonne
Lying about the big car: So big we split the episode in two.
Press Junkets: Thise awful ama’s they did. And while I don’t mind if someone disagrees with my other points. But if you think those ama’s were anything other than a train wreck, I don’t know what to say.
that time they stopped mid race to repaint the car, then promptly drove that car into that stands and then blamed the people they ran over f… moreor messing up their lap time. Or that time they switched to boat racing for some reason. Then switched back to car racing but lied about how big the car was or that the fan favorite mascot was going to have a big role in the race. Then during the press junkets ran around slapping anyone who asked a reasonable question that wasn't just glowing praise
Can you explain this in the simplest form possible? I'm lost as to what you're referring to by all of that.
I don’t break forum rules, I don’t attack individuals. But I’m not backing off of giving this company back every single ounce of shit they threw at me.
And it won’t be a full two months of me crapping on them. I’ll get bored in a couple days and you won’t see me again until the next bit of news drops.
Okay, we get it. You think Telltale sucks and the final season will bomb.
Now please stop bombarding the post with your negative vibes. M… moreost of us actually want to enjoy the last season we will ever get of Clementine and don't want to be soaking up the toxicity from disillusioned ex-fans for the next 2 months while we wait for it.
No.
I don’t break forum rules, I don’t attack individuals. But I’m not backing off of giving this company back every single ounce of shit… more they threw at me.
And it won’t be a full two months of me crapping on them. I’ll get bored in a couple days and you won’t see me again until the next bit of news drops.
I'm not commanding you or threatening to report you, I asked politely. Everyone already knows the things you're bringing up, we've all been talking about that since the first 1.5 episodes of ANF released. I made this discussion to talk about moving forward into the final season in a positive manner.
No.
I don’t break forum rules, I don’t attack individuals. But I’m not backing off of giving this company back every single ounce of shit… more they threw at me.
And it won’t be a full two months of me crapping on them. I’ll get bored in a couple days and you won’t see me again until the next bit of news drops.
I'm not commanding you or threatening to report you, I asked politely. Everyone already knows the things you're bringing up, we've all been … moretalking about that since the first 1.5 episodes of ANF released. I made this discussion to talk about moving forward into the final season in a positive manner.
Despite her feedback being negative, I think it's actually positive thing. Unfortunately, some people here just blindly give in to what's given out by TTGs without taking a second to point out areas in need of correction in their games. Although her reasons for believing why TFS will be trash are just her opinions, you can't deny the fact there are faults within how they go about doing things. All she's doing is stating her opinions.Think of her negative criticism as coffee. She wants people to wake up and smell it, even if it smells like shit, which is why you probably don't like it.
Okay, we get it. You think Telltale sucks and the final season will bomb.
Now please stop bombarding the post with your negative vibes. M… moreost of us actually want to enjoy the last season we will ever get of Clementine and don't want to be soaking up the toxicity from disillusioned ex-fans for the next 2 months while we wait for it.
But mate there has been complaints since 2014 on how Telltale did things and it was only around November last year where there were measures taken to improve and reduce the issues that people had. I feel horrible saying that given the circumstances of the measures taken to improve Telltale as it affected lots of people but since then things have improved tremendously. The faults have been and are being addressed as we speak. Telltale deserve quite a lot of credit for the steps they have been taking to listen to fan feedback and with how The Final Season looks it is evident that they have been following the advice of forum users, YouTubers and others who had criticised their content.
Despite her feedback being negative, I think it's actually positive thing. Unfortunately, some people here just blindly give in to what's gi… moreven out by TTGs without taking a second to point out areas in need of correction in their games. Although her reasons for believing why TFS will be trash are just her opinions, you can't deny the fact there are faults within how they go about doing things. All she's doing is stating her opinions.Think of her negative criticism as coffee. She wants people to wake up and smell it, even if it smells like shit, which is why you probably don't like it.
The negative feedback has of course been a positive thing in the end. That's why we are actually seeing positive changes where Telltale is taking strides towards improving on their past mistakes. The negative feedback was constructive before we knew they were listening but she even admitted that her criticism is fueled out of spite and not a desire for Telltale to improve their games.
If you're being intellectually honest then it is apparent that Telltale is responding to all of the feedback. They are talking about hubs, relationship building, choices, improved artstyle.... all of the things that people felt ANF lacked.
I understand the criticism but it's time to recognize how far we've come since then and start getting hyped about the good news we are receiving about the final season.
Despite her feedback being negative, I think it's actually positive thing. Unfortunately, some people here just blindly give in to what's gi… moreven out by TTGs without taking a second to point out areas in need of correction in their games. Although her reasons for believing why TFS will be trash are just her opinions, you can't deny the fact there are faults within how they go about doing things. All she's doing is stating her opinions.Think of her negative criticism as coffee. She wants people to wake up and smell it, even if it smells like shit, which is why you probably don't like it.
start getting hyped about the good news we are receiving about the final season
We also received "good news" about ANF before it was released and look how that turned out.
she even admitted that her criticism is fueled out of spite and not a desire for Telltale to improve their games
Be that as it may, isn't this a place where one can share their opinions about Telltale and their games regardless of intent, even if that means raining on someone else's parade? I get that you don't wanna see that here, but there's not much anyone can do about it.
The negative feedback has of course been a positive thing in the end. That's why we are actually seeing positive changes where Telltale is t… moreaking strides towards improving on their past mistakes. The negative feedback was constructive before we knew they were listening but she even admitted that her criticism is fueled out of spite and not a desire for Telltale to improve their games.
If you're being intellectually honest then it is apparent that Telltale is responding to all of the feedback. They are talking about hubs, relationship building, choices, improved artstyle.... all of the things that people felt ANF lacked.
I understand the criticism but it's time to recognize how far we've come since then and start getting hyped about the good news we are receiving about the final season.
Well, you can always go to another thread and spread your negative complaints there instead of putting negative comments in a thread which was made to support Telltale. Or just make your own thread: Why the Final Season is gonna suck, or something like that.
start getting hyped about the good news we are receiving about the final season
We also received "good news" about ANF before it was… more released and look how that turned out.
she even admitted that her criticism is fueled out of spite and not a desire for Telltale to improve their games
Be that as it may, isn't this a place where one can share their opinions about Telltale and their games regardless of intent, even if that means raining on someone else's parade? I get that you don't wanna see that here, but there's not much anyone can do about it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in seeing what they have in store for us, but i'm not about to hop on the hype train just yet, due to previous disappointments. I'll wait until after I see reviews and play the game for myself. Then i'll decide whether or not it's worth getting hyped over.
The time leading up to ANF and the time leading up to TFS are completely different situations in pretty much every single regard. I'm not going to go into it or drop names, but yeah. As someone who was here for both I can tell that things are looking up.
And like I said I'm not trying to report or be ugly to anybody. I understand that I can't help it if people are rehashing complaints here but I am however encouraging politeness and intellectual honesty when it comes to TFS and how Telltale is very clearly making huge strides towards fixing their past shortcomings. Genuine concern and skepticism is fine but when people are still venting how pissed they are over ANF it creates a toxic atmosphere even for those many fans who are actually excited and optimistic about TFS.
Anyways I'm glad we can all talk about this and be civil. There's a lot of great people in these forums and I hope everyone gets a quality s4 that we can truly enjoy and be able to discuss for a long time to come.
start getting hyped about the good news we are receiving about the final season
We also received "good news" about ANF before it was… more released and look how that turned out.
she even admitted that her criticism is fueled out of spite and not a desire for Telltale to improve their games
Be that as it may, isn't this a place where one can share their opinions about Telltale and their games regardless of intent, even if that means raining on someone else's parade? I get that you don't wanna see that here, but there's not much anyone can do about it.
Even though her criticism wasn't meant to help, it's not like it can't. She wasn't born hating their games. Problems she's had in the past with their games are to blame. So even if she's just speaking negatively without the intent to help them improve, they can still improve based on what she's said.
Well, you can always go to another thread and spread your negative complaints there instead of putting negative comments in a thread which w… moreas made to support Telltale. Or just make your own thread: Why the Final Season is gonna suck, or something like that.
people are still venting how pissed they are over ANF
Can you really blame them though? Had Telltale not made the decision to stray from Season 2 when making ANF, we could've already played what is now TFS back when they released ANF. If they had given us TFS after season 2, we'd be waiting on a whole different game from what we're waiting on now, where we'd be even further into clementine's story. They even said the game will start where AJ is already with Clementine. For all that, they could've just given us TFS instead, back when ANF was released . The fact that AJ will already be with Clementine when the game starts practically makes everything that happened in ANF non-canon. ANF should've been what The Walking Dead Michonne was, a miniseries. Now, everyone's one game short of what we should've had, and won't be getting another due to TFS substituting for what should've been The Walking Dead: Season 3, all thanks to ANF.
And this is my first time ever putting it like that here on this Forum.
The time leading up to ANF and the time leading up to TFS are completely different situations in pretty much every single regard. I'm not go… moreing to go into it or drop names, but yeah. As someone who was here for both I can tell that things are looking up.
And like I said I'm not trying to report or be ugly to anybody. I understand that I can't help it if people are rehashing complaints here but I am however encouraging politeness and intellectual honesty when it comes to TFS and how Telltale is very clearly making huge strides towards fixing their past shortcomings. Genuine concern and skepticism is fine but when people are still venting how pissed they are over ANF it creates a toxic atmosphere even for those many fans who are actually excited and optimistic about TFS.
Anyways I'm glad we can all talk about this and be civil. There's a lot of great people in these forums and I hope everyone gets a quality s4 that we can truly enjoy and be able to discuss for a long time to come.
people are still venting how pissed they are over ANF
Can you really blame them though? Had Telltale not made the decision to stray … morefrom Season 2 when making ANF, we could've already played what is now TFS back when they released ANF. If they had given us TFS after season 2, we'd be waiting on a whole different game from what we're waiting on now, where we'd be even further into clementine's story. They even said the game will start where AJ is already with Clementine. For all that, they could've just given us TFS instead, back when ANF was released . The fact that AJ will already be with Clementine when the game starts practically makes everything that happened in ANF non-canon. ANF should've been what The Walking Dead Michonne was, a miniseries. Now, everyone's one game short of what we should've had, and won't be getting another due to TFS substituting for what should've been The Walking Dead: Season 3, all thanks to ANF.
And this is my first time ever putting it like that here on this Forum.
I literally said that the complaints are valid and completely understandable. What I'm trying to say is that the focus should be on how Telltale is focusing on fixing things and bringing back the aspects of the series that made people fall in love with it in the first place, not beating a dead horse which is all the complaints that literally everyone is acutely aware of. Now let's stop going around in circles about it.
people are still venting how pissed they are over ANF
Can you really blame them though? Had Telltale not made the decision to stray … morefrom Season 2 when making ANF, we could've already played what is now TFS back when they released ANF. If they had given us TFS after season 2, we'd be waiting on a whole different game from what we're waiting on now, where we'd be even further into clementine's story. They even said the game will start where AJ is already with Clementine. For all that, they could've just given us TFS instead, back when ANF was released . The fact that AJ will already be with Clementine when the game starts practically makes everything that happened in ANF non-canon. ANF should've been what The Walking Dead Michonne was, a miniseries. Now, everyone's one game short of what we should've had, and won't be getting another due to TFS substituting for what should've been The Walking Dead: Season 3, all thanks to ANF.
And this is my first time ever putting it like that here on this Forum.
The purpose of A New Frontier was to help Clementine rediscover the faith in humanity that she once held. After what happened in Season Two and in the events of the flashbacks in A New Frontier Clementine became cold and bitter towards the world. Meeting Javier and seeing how he interacted with his family changed that. Like it or not A New Frontier despite its many flaws served a purpose to Clementine's story. A crucial role. It may not be in the physical sense that we can see but on a mental sense. It made Clementine rediscover her faith in humanity which I suppose could be translated on to a physical level I know what I am saying sounds crazy as it is in relation to a video game character where physical facts and scenes that appear in the game are the strongest leads we can go on. And during the time of A New Frontier it had faced many rewrites and changes to the overall direction of the game. While the direction that the Series may have taken if it stayed on that path may have been interesting to see that isn't to say that the path that we are going down at the moment is a poor one.
This explanation may be terrible to some but it is how I interpret the version A New Frontier that we got. It may be flawed but to me it makes sense.
I know that this isn't my conversation to stick my nose into so I will just refrain from making any further comments in relation to this. Apologies man
people are still venting how pissed they are over ANF
Can you really blame them though? Had Telltale not made the decision to stray … morefrom Season 2 when making ANF, we could've already played what is now TFS back when they released ANF. If they had given us TFS after season 2, we'd be waiting on a whole different game from what we're waiting on now, where we'd be even further into clementine's story. They even said the game will start where AJ is already with Clementine. For all that, they could've just given us TFS instead, back when ANF was released . The fact that AJ will already be with Clementine when the game starts practically makes everything that happened in ANF non-canon. ANF should've been what The Walking Dead Michonne was, a miniseries. Now, everyone's one game short of what we should've had, and won't be getting another due to TFS substituting for what should've been The Walking Dead: Season 3, all thanks to ANF.
And this is my first time ever putting it like that here on this Forum.
I understood everything you meaning to say. Also, for all that is was, ANF would've been better off as a miniseries.
I know that this isn't my conversation to stick my nose into so I will just refrain from making any further comments in relation to this. Apologies man
It's alright. Anyone can jump in and share their opinions. After all, that's what discussion threads are for
While the direction that the Series may have taken if it stayed on that path may have been interesting to see that isn't to say that the we are going at the moment is a poor one
Well, when the final season is finished, the jury will reach a verdict regarding whether the path Telltale had us on was a poor one. Even though I still believe the path we're on is a poor one due to ANF, and TFS being their last installment to the series lol.
The purpose of A New Frontier was to help Clementine rediscover the faith in humanity that she once held. After what happened in Season Two … moreand in the events of the flashbacks in A New Frontier Clementine became cold and bitter towards the world. Meeting Javier and seeing how he interacted with his family changed that. Like it or not A New Frontier despite its many flaws served a purpose to Clementine's story. A crucial role. It may not be in the physical sense that we can see but on a mental sense. It made Clementine rediscover her faith in humanity which I suppose could be translated on to a physical level I know what I am saying sounds crazy as it is in relation to a video game character where physical facts and scenes that appear in the game are the strongest leads we can go on. And during the time of A New Frontier it had faced many rewrites and changes to the overall direction of the game. While the direction that the Series may have ta… [view original content]
Except ANF itself invents the reasons why she needs to have her faith restored in humanity with very short flashback sequences in the event that you didn't choose the alone ending. The game essentially chooses it for you. Meeting Javier and seeing how he interacts with his family results in one static ending with her having a renewed faith in humanity and people, regardless of whether or not you had a close or distant relationship with any of them, or all of them.
Ignore them all, end up with the family as splintered by confrontation and determinantly over half of them dead, and her faith is still renewed in humanity by the end because...? I guess it only serves a purpose if you play it the right way? Why even give us choices, then? Even the character herself made little sense, you could choose to treat her as coldly or warmly as you wanted, and her final choice of whether or not she she loyally follows Javier is chosen by 2/3 decisions she made before she even met him, not their interactions?
The fact that Telltale seems more open to discussing the faults the game had and communicating with the fan base, especially with the way the lead up to ANF and during the months it was released, is a good sign and hopefully an indication of change. But with their recent history, and the bad taste ANF left in a lot of people, it's going to be up to the product itself to reform that trust people have in their handling of the franchise. ANF was a completely sidetracked entry marketed as the next installment of a continuing series, one that was ripe with misleading descriptions and promotion. As nice as it is to have some insight into where they're going and what they're trying to do, after the debacle that was so many aspects of the previous games released, doubts are going to stay until the product itself disproves, or proves, them. Not taking them at their word or expecting it to be bad isn't (always) done out of a desire to see it fail, for many it's because of past disappointments despite our hoping to feel otherwise.
The purpose of A New Frontier was to help Clementine rediscover the faith in humanity that she once held. After what happened in Season Two … moreand in the events of the flashbacks in A New Frontier Clementine became cold and bitter towards the world. Meeting Javier and seeing how he interacted with his family changed that. Like it or not A New Frontier despite its many flaws served a purpose to Clementine's story. A crucial role. It may not be in the physical sense that we can see but on a mental sense. It made Clementine rediscover her faith in humanity which I suppose could be translated on to a physical level I know what I am saying sounds crazy as it is in relation to a video game character where physical facts and scenes that appear in the game are the strongest leads we can go on. And during the time of A New Frontier it had faced many rewrites and changes to the overall direction of the game. While the direction that the Series may have ta… [view original content]
Not everybody is willing to give them another chance and a lot of those people probably have a serious doubt about their ability in creating the Final Season. As much as I want them to succeed, I'm having a low expectation of what they could be offering to us. It's better than getting your hopes up and then having them slammed down when the final product is unsatisfactory. The news surrounding its very early release date and only being four episodes (which I really hope they reconsider this) doesn't strike me with much confidence.
Just my two cents. I love this universe but TTG has to take it slow.
I literally said that the complaints are valid and completely understandable. What I'm trying to say is that the focus should be on how Tell… moretale is focusing on fixing things and bringing back the aspects of the series that made people fall in love with it in the first place, not beating a dead horse which is all the complaints that literally everyone is acutely aware of. Now let's stop going around in circles about it.
Except ANF itself invents the reasons why she needs to have her faith restored in humanity with very short flashback sequences in the event … morethat you didn't choose the alone ending. The game essentially chooses it for you. Meeting Javier and seeing how he interacts with his family results in one static ending with her having a renewed faith in humanity and people, regardless of whether or not you had a close or distant relationship with any of them, or all of them.
Ignore them all, end up with the family as splintered by confrontation and determinantly over half of them dead, and her faith is still renewed in humanity by the end because...? I guess it only serves a purpose if you play it the right way? Why even give us choices, then? Even the character herself made little sense, you could choose to treat her as coldly or warmly as you wanted, and her final choice of whether or not she she loyally follows Javier is chosen by 2/3 decisions sh… [view original content]
Except ANF itself invents the reasons why she needs to have her faith restored in humanity with very short flashback sequences in the event that you didn't choose the alone ending. The game essentially chooses it for you. Meeting Javier and seeing how he interacts with his family results in one static ending with her having a renewed faith in humanity and people, regardless of whether or not you had a close or distant relationship with any of them, or all of them.
Ignore them all, end up with the family as splintered by confrontation and determinantly over half of them dead, and her faith is still renewed in humanity by the end because...? I guess it only serves a purpose if you play it the right way? Why even give us choices, then? Even the character herself made little sense, you could choose to treat her as coldly or warmly as you wanted, and her final choice of whether or not she she loyally follows Javier is chosen by 2/3 decisions she made before she even met him, not their interactions?
The fact that Telltale seems more open to discussing the faults the game had and communicating with the fan base, especially with the way the lead up to ANF and during the months it was released, is a good sign and hopefully an indication of change.
Except ANF itself invents the reasons why she needs to have her faith restored in humanity with very short flashback sequences in the event … morethat you didn't choose the alone ending. The game essentially chooses it for you. Meeting Javier and seeing how he interacts with his family results in one static ending with her having a renewed faith in humanity and people, regardless of whether or not you had a close or distant relationship with any of them, or all of them.
Ignore them all, end up with the family as splintered by confrontation and determinantly over half of them dead, and her faith is still renewed in humanity by the end because...? I guess it only serves a purpose if you play it the right way? Why even give us choices, then? Even the character herself made little sense, you could choose to treat her as coldly or warmly as you wanted, and her final choice of whether or not she she loyally follows Javier is chosen by 2/3 decisions sh… [view original content]
The Garcia's were the most dysfunctional family known to fiction blatant exaggeration. There's no doubt that people like Javier, who are caring and sympathetic, exist in the apocalypse, but If seeing how he and his family were constantly feuding with each other throughout all hours of the day restored Clementine's faith in humanity, then she needs to be written better lol.
The Garcia's were the most dysfunctional family known to fiction.
WERE they? Cause honestly, remove David from the equation and they're actually rather normal and/or manageable.
Some would/did argue a little too normal, but dem's the brakes.
If seeing how he and his family were constantly feuding with each other throughout all hours of the day restored Clementine's faith in humanity, then she needs to be written better lol.
I think it's more apropos to say the point was that they were constantly feuding(or "feuding"), but ultimately worked things out.
There's a side step or three missing somewhat, but it makes more sense in concept.
The Garcia's were the most dysfunctional family known to fiction blatant exaggeration. There's no doubt that people like Javier, who are car… moreing and sympathetic, exist in the apocalypse, but If seeing how he and his family were constantly feuding with each other throughout all hours of the day restored Clementine's faith in humanity, then she needs to be written better lol.
Two of the most poorly anticipated games of 2018 so far and you want one to feature the other? Whatever floats your boat.? Although it does sound like it could be interesting?
Two of the most poorly anticipated games of 2018 so far and you want one to feature the other? Whatever floats your boat.? Although it does sound like it could be interesting?
Oh, I'm sorry--is this 2013? If so, then I'm ready to ride the HYPE train through the following Season of unfulfilled payoff, inconsistent direction, and disillusionment!
both black ops 4 and walking dead are pretty anticipated
Call of Duty received a whole lot of backlash from fans for not including a campaign, and returning to futuristic warfare. Literally every social media post they make is met with a BUTT LOAD of negative criticism in the comments section. It’s reveal trailer has 353K likes and 210K dislikes. If it weren’t for battle royale and BOTG, it would receive even more hate.
I could list several people who are a small percentage of the MANY who aren’t looking forward to TFS. Hell, all you have to do is look at other threads and you’ll have your answer
both black ops 4 and walking dead are pretty anticipated
Call of Duty received a whole lot of backlash from fans for not including a… more campaign, and returning to futuristic warfare. Literally every social media post they make is met with a BUTT LOAD of negative criticism in the comments section. It’s reveal trailer has 353K likes and 210K dislikes. If it weren’t for battle royale and BOTG, it would receive even more hate.
I could list several people who are a small percentage of the MANY who aren’t looking forward to TFS. Hell, all you have to do is look at other threads and you’ll have your answer
You don’t have to look at the forums to know people are REALLY skeptical about TFS, especially after hearing there will only be 4 episodes, yet still cost the same as the previous games.
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I also left out the part where the manager during that time left and was replaced by a new manager who wanted to work on what made the driver so talented and focus on giving the fans what they want: a great performance in the Grand Prix. While the new manager did praise the efforts made by the driver to improve his performance he knew that he had to take control and put a lot more focus into what made the driver as talented as they were. His game plan was to allow the driver to take their time to work on new tactics and strategies so they can improve. This proved to have been beneficial to the driver as they completed a race and was praised for their performance and concentration.
Also, a few things I'd like to add to the discussion after seeing the first trailer:
The art style looks amazing. A great mixture of S1/S2's comic style and ANF's realism. Clementines model is looking great and there are no signs of the cringey look she had at the end of ANF. Telltale is teasing relationship building and tough choices, as well as our choices determining what happens to her. Also, 4 episodes instead of 5 tells me that they know what story they're going to tell and they're not just going to make shit up on the fly to fulfill their usual 5 episodes. I fully expect each of the 4 episodes to be of decent length.
The only thing I didn't like was how AJ sounded like three times his age. I guess it's good for him to be talking so we can actually converse with him but I do hope they tweak his voice to sound a lot younger.
Repainting the car: Deciding to switch season 2’s focus to the Kenny/Jane conflict.
Running it into the stands: Amid the ruins, and their awful attitude towards people who did not like where they went with the story.
Boat Racing: Michonne
Lying about the big car: So big we split the episode in two.
Press Junkets: Thise awful ama’s they did. And while I don’t mind if someone disagrees with my other points. But if you think those ama’s were anything other than a train wreck, I don’t know what to say.
No.
I don’t break forum rules, I don’t attack individuals. But I’m not backing off of giving this company back every single ounce of shit they threw at me.
And it won’t be a full two months of me crapping on them. I’ll get bored in a couple days and you won’t see me again until the next bit of news drops.
Thank God!
I'm not commanding you or threatening to report you, I asked politely. Everyone already knows the things you're bringing up, we've all been talking about that since the first 1.5 episodes of ANF released. I made this discussion to talk about moving forward into the final season in a positive manner.
I think we can all agree that it is my fault that this has escalated to the point it is at. Sorry to both of you
Despite her feedback being negative, I think it's actually positive thing. Unfortunately, some people here just blindly give in to what's given out by TTGs without taking a second to point out areas in need of correction in their games. Although her reasons for believing why TFS will be trash are just her opinions, you can't deny the fact there are faults within how they go about doing things. All she's doing is stating her opinions.Think of her negative criticism as coffee. She wants people to wake up and smell it, even if it smells like shit, which is why you probably don't like it.
Don’t be sorry, you have nothing to apologize about.
But mate there has been complaints since 2014 on how Telltale did things and it was only around November last year where there were measures taken to improve and reduce the issues that people had. I feel horrible saying that given the circumstances of the measures taken to improve Telltale as it affected lots of people but since then things have improved tremendously. The faults have been and are being addressed as we speak. Telltale deserve quite a lot of credit for the steps they have been taking to listen to fan feedback and with how The Final Season looks it is evident that they have been following the advice of forum users, YouTubers and others who had criticised their content.
The negative feedback has of course been a positive thing in the end. That's why we are actually seeing positive changes where Telltale is taking strides towards improving on their past mistakes. The negative feedback was constructive before we knew they were listening but she even admitted that her criticism is fueled out of spite and not a desire for Telltale to improve their games.
If you're being intellectually honest then it is apparent that Telltale is responding to all of the feedback. They are talking about hubs, relationship building, choices, improved artstyle.... all of the things that people felt ANF lacked.
I understand the criticism but it's time to recognize how far we've come since then and start getting hyped about the good news we are receiving about the final season.
We also received "good news" about ANF before it was released and look how that turned out.
Be that as it may, isn't this a place where one can share their opinions about Telltale and their games regardless of intent, even if that means raining on someone else's parade? I get that you don't wanna see that here, but there's not much anyone can do about it.
Well, you can always go to another thread and spread your negative complaints there instead of putting negative comments in a thread which was made to support Telltale. Or just make your own thread: Why the Final Season is gonna suck, or something like that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in seeing what they have in store for us, but i'm not about to hop on the hype train just yet, due to previous disappointments. I'll wait until after I see reviews and play the game for myself. Then i'll decide whether or not it's worth getting hyped over.
The time leading up to ANF and the time leading up to TFS are completely different situations in pretty much every single regard. I'm not going to go into it or drop names, but yeah. As someone who was here for both I can tell that things are looking up.
And like I said I'm not trying to report or be ugly to anybody. I understand that I can't help it if people are rehashing complaints here but I am however encouraging politeness and intellectual honesty when it comes to TFS and how Telltale is very clearly making huge strides towards fixing their past shortcomings. Genuine concern and skepticism is fine but when people are still venting how pissed they are over ANF it creates a toxic atmosphere even for those many fans who are actually excited and optimistic about TFS.
Anyways I'm glad we can all talk about this and be civil. There's a lot of great people in these forums and I hope everyone gets a quality s4 that we can truly enjoy and be able to discuss for a long time to come.
Even though her criticism wasn't meant to help, it's not like it can't. She wasn't born hating their games. Problems she's had in the past with their games are to blame. So even if she's just speaking negatively without the intent to help them improve, they can still improve based on what she's said.
Can you really blame them though? Had Telltale not made the decision to stray from Season 2 when making ANF, we could've already played what is now TFS back when they released ANF. If they had given us TFS after season 2, we'd be waiting on a whole different game from what we're waiting on now, where we'd be even further into clementine's story. They even said the game will start where AJ is already with Clementine. For all that, they could've just given us TFS instead, back when ANF was released . The fact that AJ will already be with Clementine when the game starts practically makes everything that happened in ANF non-canon. ANF should've been what The Walking Dead Michonne was, a miniseries. Now, everyone's one game short of what we should've had, and won't be getting another due to TFS substituting for what should've been The Walking Dead: Season 3, all thanks to ANF.
And this is my first time ever putting it like that here on this Forum.
I could not have said that better, not with 3 thesaurus's and 2 copies of The Elements of Style. If I was wearing a hat I would tip it to you.
I literally said that the complaints are valid and completely understandable. What I'm trying to say is that the focus should be on how Telltale is focusing on fixing things and bringing back the aspects of the series that made people fall in love with it in the first place, not beating a dead horse which is all the complaints that literally everyone is acutely aware of. Now let's stop going around in circles about it.
The purpose of A New Frontier was to help Clementine rediscover the faith in humanity that she once held. After what happened in Season Two and in the events of the flashbacks in A New Frontier Clementine became cold and bitter towards the world. Meeting Javier and seeing how he interacted with his family changed that. Like it or not A New Frontier despite its many flaws served a purpose to Clementine's story. A crucial role. It may not be in the physical sense that we can see but on a mental sense. It made Clementine rediscover her faith in humanity which I suppose could be translated on to a physical level I know what I am saying sounds crazy as it is in relation to a video game character where physical facts and scenes that appear in the game are the strongest leads we can go on. And during the time of A New Frontier it had faced many rewrites and changes to the overall direction of the game. While the direction that the Series may have taken if it stayed on that path may have been interesting to see that isn't to say that the path that we are going down at the moment is a poor one.
This explanation may be terrible to some but it is how I interpret the version A New Frontier that we got. It may be flawed but to me it makes sense.
I know that this isn't my conversation to stick my nose into so I will just refrain from making any further comments in relation to this. Apologies man
I understood everything you meaning to say. Also, for all that is was, ANF would've been better off as a miniseries.
It's alright. Anyone can jump in and share their opinions. After all, that's what discussion threads are for
Well, when the final season is finished, the jury will reach a verdict regarding whether the path Telltale had us on was a poor one. Even though I still believe the path we're on is a poor one due to ANF, and TFS being their last installment to the series lol.
Except ANF itself invents the reasons why she needs to have her faith restored in humanity with very short flashback sequences in the event that you didn't choose the alone ending. The game essentially chooses it for you. Meeting Javier and seeing how he interacts with his family results in one static ending with her having a renewed faith in humanity and people, regardless of whether or not you had a close or distant relationship with any of them, or all of them.
Ignore them all, end up with the family as splintered by confrontation and determinantly over half of them dead, and her faith is still renewed in humanity by the end because...? I guess it only serves a purpose if you play it the right way? Why even give us choices, then? Even the character herself made little sense, you could choose to treat her as coldly or warmly as you wanted, and her final choice of whether or not she she loyally follows Javier is chosen by 2/3 decisions she made before she even met him, not their interactions?
The fact that Telltale seems more open to discussing the faults the game had and communicating with the fan base, especially with the way the lead up to ANF and during the months it was released, is a good sign and hopefully an indication of change. But with their recent history, and the bad taste ANF left in a lot of people, it's going to be up to the product itself to reform that trust people have in their handling of the franchise. ANF was a completely sidetracked entry marketed as the next installment of a continuing series, one that was ripe with misleading descriptions and promotion. As nice as it is to have some insight into where they're going and what they're trying to do, after the debacle that was so many aspects of the previous games released, doubts are going to stay until the product itself disproves, or proves, them. Not taking them at their word or expecting it to be bad isn't (always) done out of a desire to see it fail, for many it's because of past disappointments despite our hoping to feel otherwise.
Not everybody is willing to give them another chance and a lot of those people probably have a serious doubt about their ability in creating the Final Season. As much as I want them to succeed, I'm having a low expectation of what they could be offering to us. It's better than getting your hopes up and then having them slammed down when the final product is unsatisfactory. The news surrounding its very early release date and only being four episodes (which I really hope they reconsider this) doesn't strike me with much confidence.
Just my two cents. I love this universe but TTG has to take it slow.
You made some very good points. I didn't really think of that. Thanks for replying to my comment.
Thank you! --THANK! YOU!
The Garcia's were the most dysfunctional family known to fiction blatant exaggeration. There's no doubt that people like Javier, who are caring and sympathetic, exist in the apocalypse, but If seeing how he and his family were constantly feuding with each other throughout all hours of the day restored Clementine's faith in humanity, then she needs to be written better lol.
WERE they? Cause honestly, remove David from the equation and they're actually rather normal and/or manageable.
Some would/did argue a little too normal, but dem's the brakes.
I think it's more apropos to say the point was that they were constantly feuding(or "feuding"), but ultimately worked things out.
There's a side step or three missing somewhat, but it makes more sense in concept.
@Plan_R to this thread
People take things too far?
Well great now I want a black ops 4 zombie mode featuring Clementine.
Just throwing that out there.
Two of the most poorly anticipated games of 2018 so far and you want one to feature the other? Whatever floats your boat.? Although it does sound like it could be interesting?
This walking dead is pretty anticipated, don’t know what game your talking about.
Oh, I'm sorry--is this 2013? If so, then I'm ready to ride the HYPE train through the following Season of unfulfilled payoff, inconsistent direction, and disillusionment!
How much have you been drinking?
You people are aware there’s other telltale/walking dead fans outside of these forums right?
Call of Duty received a whole lot of backlash from fans for not including a campaign, and returning to futuristic warfare. Literally every social media post they make is met with a BUTT LOAD of negative criticism in the comments section. It’s reveal trailer has 353K likes and 210K dislikes. If it weren’t for battle royale and BOTG, it would receive even more hate.
I could list several people who are a small percentage of the MANY who aren’t looking forward to TFS. Hell, all you have to do is look at other threads and you’ll have your answer
Forget about call of duty I don’t know why I mentioned it.
Like I said there’s other people outside these forums that are anticipated the final season.
You don’t have to look at the forums to know people are REALLY skeptical about TFS, especially after hearing there will only be 4 episodes, yet still cost the same as the previous games.
It’s $20 dollars thats $5 less than then most of there games, I thought telltale had made that pretty clear.
I don't understand how these people are anticipating a game with a lower episode count. They probably aren't even aware of it yet.