The Final Season's Antagonist...What kind do you want?
Righty so, final season. The end of the end. The grand conclusion! And with that, like every season, there's gotta be an antagonist. Somebody that's willing to fuck shit up. The guy or gal that'll shit in Clem's hat and have a right ol' laugh about it. Or boil her in a pot and eat her, or something to those effects. Yes, I'm talking about those characters and I'm curious to know what TYPE of antagonist you want this time around? Do you want to see a truly evil bastard that can only muster up hatred? Or do you want to a more relatable villain, one that could even be likable? Or something of a mix? Whatever you want, be sure to post that opinion down below. And exlain it.
To makes things easier- here's a list of all the villains and antagonists of the games. From season 1 we've had cannibalistic farm boys and their equally long pig loving momma in the St John family, and we've had the creepy, unhinged and yet sympathetic child kidnapper in The Stranger. A humorous and unpredictable wackjob that was Nate from 400 Days, the tyrannical and ruthless dictator of Howe's Hardware Carver and...the lovable Arvo (sorta) in the second season, the reasonable leader Norma and her downright psychopath of a brother Randal in Michonne, and finally, we had Joan and Badger from A New Frontier.
Me, personally, I'd want to see a blend between Norma's reasonable and realistic portrayal of a survivalist leader, someone who becomes our enemy only because of opposing goals, with the threatening nature of some of the more disturbed villains. Norma's only problem for me was that she didn't feel threatening enough to be taken as a real danger and was almost too nice, so I feel combining her best traits with a more ruthless approach would make for an intimidating, but not an entirely one-dimensional antagonist. That or just a complete monster who's so disturbing and twisted that he/she becomes memorable from the sheer terror they can inflict, but I'd still prefer a somewhat sympathetic villain. (And yes, I know I overwrote...)
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I want someone like Negan but not as extreme as him, to be plain and simple. But someone who is sympathetic and understanding and someone who has humanity left, someone who does somewhat reasonable things.
I want a Carver type of enemy, who is type of psychopath, but also smart. For example, he will make everyone cover themselves in walker guts, so that they can work outside, and if they don't accept, they'll be punished and will either be given for the walkers to eat, or simply kill him. This may sound crazy, or very action for some of you, but i personally think it's a good idea. Let's just say something like a combination of The Stranger, Carver, and Nate.
Please no grandma antagonists like Joan. She was the worst...
Step one - merge Randall and Carver. Carver was not crazy enough while Randall was not clever enough in my opinion. Merging these two would create a menacing and charismatic villain. Step two - add a relatable backstory (tragedy and all that) to make me care at some point. That`s it!
Another path is deranged villain. I like these types too. Like a character who does not kill walkers because he believes that they are already dead(corpses) and simply does not view them as a threat. For that same reason he kills people in a way that makes them turn, making more walkers along the way and does not really care about that. Dangerous and crazy.
As long as we don't have to deal with another one-dimensional, generic, or moronic antagonist who is evil just because.
Norma is someone who I feel is how you should make an engaging antagonist, someone who's motives and actions are relatively justified due to the heroes' actions themselves.
I thought she did a dance move then ?
what about combining Randall and Carver both with Nate?
She's like the shut-up-i-am-more-important-and-i-am-the-best-and-everyone-loves-me-i-own-earth version of Carver.
Carver in my opinion is great,combine him with Nate, The Stranger, Randall, Negan, and there's the best antagonist in my opinion.
I wanna see a somewhat muscular, 6'9" female antagonist. One that can effortlessly beat this shit out of anyone without hesitation. Basically a tall, size 17 wearing Nadine Ross from Uncharted
There's a number of villain templates I've recommended and/or cited out there that I'd immediately post if I felt like typing them out again. Speaking open endedly for a second, I almost always preferred more grounded, relateable, and/or personal antagonists(Brenda St. John, The Stranger, Michelle, Arvo) compared to the protracted brutal, psycho tough guy types(Carver, David, Badger, Smoker * (presumably)).
As of right now however, given the Boarding School plot, I've been very handsoff and yet unsuccessful in thinking of a proper villain for that setup. I'd kinda like to go back to the Villain of the Week format Season One and to a much lesser extent Season Two had for the sake of variety and perhaps getting the most out of what these principal five characters and Clementeen can do.
Heh. "Grandma Antagonists."
The sad thing is that's not how she started out and clearly not what she was intended to be.
Nate or Lilly
I definitely agree with you on the episodic "Villain of the Week" thing like season 1. It gave each episode it's own identity in a way. Maybe the final season could have semi-villains in the episodes, each connected to the main cast's own story/past or something. I think it'd be a good way to flesh out the new characters, and then maybe have an overarching threat that's somehow connected to form the larger story.
I want randel + Nate villain someone who enjoy murder someone like the joker some one who had no goal in his life but to make it interesting and entertaining and he crack jokes or be funny while he being a villain like handsome jack or someone can be funny crazy and scary like heath ledger joker that will add a real terror to the story and the game and it will make Clem's life to a true hell if it wasn't already a hell.
Not gonna lie, I kinda want it to be Nate.
But if it has to be someone else then I would say that I want a villain that we haven't seen yet. Not exactly sure what that would entail, but I don't want Carver 2.0 or anything like that.
An episodic villain would be cool (though I have a feeling it will be a main villain we are getting this season). I really loved the St.Johns from S1 Ep2 because they weren't these evil corrupt leaders. They were just survivors that had really questionable ways of surviving and were friendly and willing to help until the group found out about Mark and they were like; "well you don't agree with our way of survival and we can't keep you here now since we can't trust you, so I guess we gotta kill ya".
Episodic kinda villain would be nice to see. I wouldn't want a main villain for the whole season like ive said before. (I want more creativity than chasing/having to deal with a main villain)
Also idk why but i hope its not Nate. Don't really know why i feel that way
If it’s Nate I’m going to be thrilled! I think he’s an amazing character and would make an excellent villain for TFS. However, Clementine hasn’t really had a personal antagonist yet. Someone who has a direct connection to her. Lilly or Christa would be the best options. Both played pivotal roles in her journey and I could see both being compelling villains.
I'm don't really want a big antagonist. Maybe someone like Arvo who wasn't necessarily evil, just a huge jerk and screwed over thr group. It'd be cool to see TT use somehting like the weather or environment as an "antagonist" too. Like maybe there's a huge flood , or a forest fire, or there's a dam nearby that's about to collapse and destroy the group's shelter.
Reminds me of that short from Pokemon 2000 all those years ago.
There are worst villains & best villains. Although if you hate them, you like them of being a good villain. But what if you don't hate them?
What you mean?
That would be better.
Well, by that logic, Carver is a near perfectly functional villain.
The Stranger really wasn't a villain in any real sense of the archetype.
I like him. I liked that his little nefarious shenanigans caused Kenny, Christa and Omid to separate from Lee. I like he's the part of the reason why Lee got bit, which lead to his slow and inevitable demise. He caused a lot of distress among the group, and I support that.
I lean towards.......EVIL
Joan was very much an antagonist that wasn't really villainous. She had understandable motivations & logical reasoning for her methods and a relatively noble goal that she had to strain some degree of personal standards that made her sympathetic despite the fact that she was technically the Big Bad of the story.
It's just that Thicker Than Water was completely rewriting before release and thus Joan's character was dramatically shifted to have more antagonistic characterization
that made her act like she got a Titan-fueled blood transfusion from Carver between episodes.
He's a collection of things I've suggested over the year(s):
I'm interested in everything, especially the renegade who's out to eliminate every walker alive, although I can't see much drama between him and another group of people. He's just doing his job, ya know? Perhaps he lives in isolation from the rest of the world and hs marked out his own turf which outstreches for miles, with all the resources to himself. This could work with the whole 'how far you'd be willing to go to protect your home' premise, predominantly for AJ, not being able to socialize with people very well. Also, how did write it that way? With the grey and stuff?
Really just someones motives that can actually make you question them (instead of just i am BAD XD) Actually make their motive interesting, without it being truly evil.
Make the antagonist actually feel threatening. If we are going to be stuck with one, at least make them threatening when they are on screen. Carver did well at this but then he died, so his presence didnt leave the biggest impact. And we dont talk about the joke known as Joan.
Sure, walkers/geeks/lurkers/muertos/monsters=bad, dangerous, and everpresent is the absolute basic rule for TWD apocalypse and almost any other apocalypse. Avoiding and/or putting them down is the primary physical concern of anyone who wants to continue surviving.
Of course, how would someone who takes that fact especially seriously/personally behave? Who comes to the conclusion that to be rid of the undead menace would be to free what's left of the world?
Why, they'd probably make destroying them their first priority half of the time. Going out of their way take them down or trap them so they can take them down when it'd be easier(and healthier) to just ignore and avoid them at any hopeful opportunity. Maybe even endangering others as well as themselves in order to make that next stab in the head happen.
Needless to say, that could cause a numbers of problems for the attached and the unlucky.
Also, what would happen once he/she learns and/or seriously considers the obvious fact that all walkers were human once and that the virus responsible has already infected everyone...?
With this general code arouund theclose together.
An antagonist named Ladybug
Ah snap, a connection has been made--Spandex Babeh!
She is a heroine alongside Cat Noir in the series ‘Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir’. ?
Psst! Don't ruin the ambiguity of my joke, amigo!
Sorry to dodge the subject for a second, but is there a way to preorder the final season without getting ‘The Collection’ for free because I already purchased it? I am so annoyed that Telltale had the temerity to ask individuals to pay for it and then released it free. Bish whet? ?
I know, although I didn't get the idea for an antagonist with that name from her. Idk, that show looks somewhat interesting, but it looks like it's for kids ages 7-12.
I would not let people scrutinise you over a show because it is harmless. ?
Eeeh...sorta.
It's a relatively okay show with some colorful characters and a fun energy to it, if initially formulaic with plastichy textures and mostly ideas for characters.
Nope. Once you preorder TFS, it you automatically get the collection.