Anti-Clementine?

If you have any reasons for disliking Clementine, do not hesitate to state why.

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  • Too many to count. Though I will say that most of the reasons strain from the fact that she only acts in a way that's catered to certain choices, regardless of what you chose, despite the fact that ones such as the "Survivalism" choice in No Going Back were close to even, (only because Telltale manipulated that choice). It's reasons such as this, that has led to some people calling her a, "Mini-Jane" in ANF. And well...they ain't wrong.

    Fortunately, this story hasn't been canon in a while; and that's why me & a friend of mine are working on fixing that. :)

  • I love #MyClementine. Couldn't stand #TelltalesClementine in ANF, I imagine that edgelord alternate reality version used the same wormhole to get here that uncle Javi and his family used to drive their van 4 years into the future. Hopefully she stays out of the upcoming season 3.

  • How she's pretty much the only one alive at the end of season 1 and 2. Why can't she die?! Quite frankly it's unrealistic.

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    Ghetsis posted: »

    How she's pretty much the only one alive at the end of season 1 and 2. Why can't she die?! Quite frankly it's unrealistic.

  • Haha. At least with the comics and tv show, when major characters are killed regularly, there are still a decent amount of them alive. Michonne, Daryl, Maggie, etc.
    But with the game, the vast majority of the cast, which is seasonal, gets wiped out with Clementine left to pick up the pieces or just walk away from the battlefield like a badass. Or in tears.

    Dex-Starr posted: »

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    @Ghetsis
    It's fiction. It isn't supposed to be realistic to that point, as it wouldn't be interesting at all. There's loads of stuff you could call technically unrealistic. In fact, as an example, why do you even like the walking dead itself? How is it realistic, that, people didn't figure the immediate moment outbreak happened "oh look, some people are getting eaten and zombified, but these fuckers are slow af, shouldn't be a problem to stop them before they manage to spread too much, i mean we got choppers and ak47 and bazookas and shit" - yet nearly all of population got zombified.

    Point is, as long as it isn't unrealistic to the point that, e.g. people shot in the head come back alive, or they don't need food to survive etc, then work of fiction is supposed to make these "unrealistic" things such as little girl surviving for so long and becoming a badass, because that's what makes all of this interesting and have a point in the first place.

    Ghetsis posted: »

    How she's pretty much the only one alive at the end of season 1 and 2. Why can't she die?! Quite frankly it's unrealistic.

  • My problems with Clementine as of recent is how she's developed between each season.

    In Season 2, she was a blank slate and barely carried the story on her own, and she occasionally had superhuman feats of skill , survival and strength that took me out of the experience.

    In Season 3, she behaves like a typical 'hardened and gruff survivor with a heart-of-gold' character in every playthrough regardless of past choices, seems to only exist in Javier's story as fanservice, and kills a person in a fit of rage that seems way too out-of-character for her.

  • Actually I was wondering about that bald guy Clem killed in episode 1. Did she do it intentionally, or did she accidentally pull the trigger or not know the bullets were working?
    Because if she actually wanted to kill him, then that's waaaay out of Clem's personality.

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    My problems with Clementine as of recent is how she's developed between each season. In Season 2, she was a blank slate and barely carrie

  • She fired a one or two shitty bullets while pointing the gun at him before the working bullet blows his brain out.

    Razer531 posted: »

    Actually I was wondering about that bald guy Clem killed in episode 1. Did she do it intentionally, or did she accidentally pull the trigger

  • I just dislike Clems voice acting, sometimes it sounds so bad.

  • Ya just don't get it, do you? SPOILERS BECAUSE I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO THEM PROPERLY
    People thought that Carl and Rick were immune to the virus back in the day, but look what happened to Carl! He deaded. People thought Rick would de, and then Carl would take over. No. I can excuse Clem being alive for so long, but it doesn't mean she's exempt from death. She or AJ should die no matter what. I want the players to see that no-one is invulnerable, and the harsh brutality of this world.

    Razer531 posted: »

    @Ghetsis It's fiction. It isn't supposed to be realistic to that point, as it wouldn't be interesting at all. There's loads of stuff you c

  • I didn't like the season 3 voice either, so monotonous.
    ''How ya doing, Kiddo?''
    snores

    Bruno113 posted: »

    I just dislike Clems voice acting, sometimes it sounds so bad.

  • I'll admit that Clementine didn't actually intend to kill Eli, but she did continue to fire at him with the assumption that all of her ammo were duds, which did lead to her needlessly killing a person.

    It doesn't help that the scene with Eli seemed pointless since no one brings up Clementine killing a person with reckless abandon after the event.

    Razer531 posted: »

    Actually I was wondering about that bald guy Clem killed in episode 1. Did she do it intentionally, or did she accidentally pull the trigger

  • Also its kinda awkward how Eli is suddenly like "Fuck this" and takes out a knife and attacks Javi. Like what the plan there? Kill Javi and Clem right on the spot? If so, then what after that when you've killed 2 ppl in a bar? Eli deserved that bullet.

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    She'd fired the gun in his face once after it jammed outside just to call what she thought was his bluff, then outright cocked it after his tussle with Javi to threaten him into complying.

    Even if she didn't intend to actually shoot it a third time, she still should've backed off a bit once he was compliant(or really, when he clearly flinched) and not continued threatened him with a gun she believed was rigged with faulty bullets anyway.

    @Saltyliquorice Also its kinda awkward how Eli is suddenly like "Fuck this" and takes out a knife and attacks Javi. Like what the plan there?

    It was self-defense at that point.
    Two wrongs don't make a right, sure, and he openly assumed Javier was there to muscle him for Clementine-- but at that point, he had already had his life threatened(however emptily as it appeared) by someone he knew as being hostile and seemed to believed was trying to intimidate him into going back on their previous deal.
    Probably didn't help that he'd clearly had a few beforehand, though.

    Razer531 posted: »

    Actually I was wondering about that bald guy Clem killed in episode 1. Did she do it intentionally, or did she accidentally pull the trigger

  • Shitbird deserved to die....how many people did he knowingly send to their deaths with bad bullets? Karma came to Prescott brother!

  • If he "knew" the bullets were bad, than why did he not only flinch but dropped the tough guy act when she threatened to fire again?

    Shitbird deserved to die....how many people did he knowingly send to their deaths with bad bullets? Karma came to Prescott brother!

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    because it is human nature when someone has a pistole in your face o flinch...and not all would be bad...just most...He knew...just in the way he replied to her when she went to talk...he was not innocent.

    DabigRG posted: »

    If he "knew" the bullets were bad, than why did he not only flinch but dropped the tough guy act when she threatened to fire again?

  • I'd take it any day of the week over uncle Javis impression of a Cuban tho. Holy hell.

    Bruno113 posted: »

    I just dislike Clems voice acting, sometimes it sounds so bad.

  • This is perhaps the damn stupidest thing ever posted on these forums. You basically take issue with her because she survives...that is like screaming at a concentration camp survivor because millions of others died in those camps.

    She survives because of luck...not seen as a real threat so that she is underestimated.
    S1 was all about keeping her alive...S2...the Cabin group was already in trouble when she got there. So yeah she survived and got a prize in the form of a screaming newborn....yay.

    Now I am sure in this finale season there will be multiple endings...and you and people like Dick starr can kill her off. You probably yelled when Frodo lived as well.

    Ghetsis posted: »

    How she's pretty much the only one alive at the end of season 1 and 2. Why can't she die?! Quite frankly it's unrealistic.

  • you basically take issue with her because she survives

    This is from another thread, but heres a
    list of many instances where she miraculously survives MANY close calls with death. That time sam would've killed her had she not been able to unrealistically kicked him into spikes that just happened to be there, the time a bullet missed her heart by a few inches without hitting a brachial artery which would cause her to bleed out and die, the time she fell under the frozen lake and didn't fall ill at all after getting out and not changing her soaked clothes in the freezing cold, the time she barely pulls herself up from falling off the bridge, the time a bullet barely misses her head during the shootout with the KGB(the russians), the time she didnt get bit by a walker who clearly could've done so without issue
    here are some visuals proving her immunity to death

    Honestly, wtf is this. she should've got bitten

    2:46-3:03 :| WOW

    :| :| HOW

    :| :| :| OW

    This is perhaps the damn stupidest thing ever posted on these forums. You basically take issue with her because she survives...that is like

  • ...and not all would be bad...just most...

    ...I have no idea what you're talkin about here.

    He knew...just in the way he replied to her when she went to talk...he was not innocent.

    Yeah? Well, with the way the story was presenting itself, I'm inclined to believe otherwise.

    because it is human nature when someone has a pistole in your face o flinch...and not all would be bad...just most...He knew...just in the way he replied to her when she went to talk...he was not innocent.

  • Btw, I forgot to say, when I saw the title "Anti-Clementine," I assumed it was about that Evil Counterpart point of mine.

  • I thought about that idea I had where Clementine had an evil doppelganger with black eyes and a backwards "D" on her hat that would lose her shit whenever she saw clementine and would attack her relentlessly.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Btw, I forgot to say, when I saw the title "Anti-Clementine," I assumed it was about that Evil Counterpart point of mine.

  • Holy shit! :lol:
    Black eyes as in cornea or schlera?

    Dex-Starr posted: »

    I thought about that idea I had where Clementine had an evil doppelganger with black eyes and a backwards "D" on her hat that would lose her shit whenever she saw clementine and would attack her relentlessly.

  • schlera

    DabigRG posted: »

    Holy shit! Black eyes as in cornea or schlera?

  • Season 2 clem, best clem

  • It was self-defense at that point.
    Two wrongs don't make a right, sure, and he openly assumed Javier was there to muscle him for Clementine-- but at that point, he had already had his life threatened(however emptily as it appeared) by someone he knew as being hostile and seemed to believed was trying to intimidate him into going back on their previous deal.

    I still find it funny that I'm supposed to hate Eli over the 'faulty bullets' tale that turns out to be not entirely true, and that I'm supposed to believe that Eli is in the wrong to try and stab Clementine when she instigated the fight by pointing her gun at him and pulling the trigger.

    It's almost as if the writers wanted Clementine to have a moment in her life where she gets away with murdering someone simply because she didn't like them. I'm exaggerating, but still.

    DabigRG posted: »

    She'd fired the gun in his face once after it jammed outside just to call what she thought was his bluff, then outright cocked it after his

  • That Clementine was depressing. The only good thing about ANF Clem was that she was a cold hearted renegade

    Season 2 clem, best clem

  • Yeah so did I.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Btw, I forgot to say, when I saw the title "Anti-Clementine," I assumed it was about that Evil Counterpart point of mine.

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    When I first played season one, I felt like it was odd that the game kept pushing me to like clementine so much because I felt she actually didn't get enough scenes with Lee.
    I can only assume telltale was afraid too many "talking to a little girl" scenes would bore regular players, and she couldn't really be included in too many action scenes.
    Optionally, (if clem is left with omid) clementine is absent for a lot of episode 4 and for most of episode 5, so that didn't help the matter.

    It also annoys me in both season 1 and 2 when the writers lapse into making her just act like a miniature adult. It's really distracting and immersion-breaking. Yes, kids can act snarky and moody but I feel like her development should also be arrested since the zombie outbreak started when she was 8.

  • imo The way Clementine behaves in ANF is understandable, how she has become the loner type and having difficulties trusting anyone, a "mini-Jane" like some people call her.
    Ik TT lied about MyClementine bs eve though everyone had the same Clem but ANF Clem still makes sense.

    First of all, Clem has literally lost everyone like mentioned above. She has had her heart broken many times so she doesn't wan't to get close with anyone to save herself from more pain.

    Secondly, how the S2 endings all result into the same Clem. The s2 ending were a choice between Loyalty/Family and Ultimate Survival (even at the expense of loved ones(even tho Jane ended up killing herself)). The alternative option is more about abandoning dysfunctionality and dividedness and finding something unified.

    Going with Jane will obviously make Clem a "Mini-Jane", not trusting anyone especially if the family steals the food. Jane ends up killing herself so even she betrayed Clem's trust!
    With the Kenny endings Clem loses the people she can trust and call "family" and be loyal to, whether its Welligton or Kenny himself. She finds a group she can be loyal to (based on the mark) but they end up separating Clem and AJ, taking the only thing "family" she had left. Her trust again being betrayed. (Tho she did steal medicine but TNF left her with no other choice)
    In the alone ending Clem has been surviving by herself with AJ for a long long time. This makes her obviously a loner and not so used to being around others. She finds a group thats unified and functional but with the same result as i mentioned a few sentences ago.
    To summarize: Clem's trust has been broken enough times that its very hard to trust anyone anymore. After the Clem and AJ separation flashback Clem even says: "Thats what I get for trusting other people, again" TNF isn't the first time her trust was broken. The Stranger, Mike and Bonnie, The Family(determinant) to name some.

    At the start of ANF Clem is all alone and has lost everything and has lost the ability to rely on others. But her time with the Garcias slowly turns her back to the old Clem.

  • Didn't we already go through her surviving because "realistic" scenarios would have ended the series in episode 2? You're still on about that?

    Dex-Starr posted: »

    you basically take issue with her because she survives This is from another thread, but heres a list of many instances where she mi

  • He told @Ghetsis that he takes issue with Clem because she's just surviving, and i'm showing him people aren't upset about her "just surviving". He wasn't in the other thread to see this so I brought it to him

    Didn't we already go through her surviving because "realistic" scenarios would have ended the series in episode 2? You're still on about that?

  • Ah shoot, gittin strait Metal Sonic up n dis ish!

    Dex-Starr posted: »

    schlera

  • I'll be generous and maintain that the actual point of the scene is to establish that Clementine has drastically changed from what she once was for the worst--having what used to be a quiet little girl with an admirable sense of compassion was now moody delinquent who essentially murders a guy and tries to get a stranger to lie for her without skipping a beat.

    The problem is that, with or without Eli being an "Acceptable Target" in design to allow certain people to pat themselves on the back for siding with her in the short-term, nothing really comes of a scene that's partially built on critical shock-value and OOC behavior.

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    It was self-defense at that point. Two wrongs don't make a right, sure, and he openly assumed Javier was there to muscle him for Clement

  • At least she had plenty of reason to be and still managed to keep moving forward with a relatively cool head.

    Dex-Starr posted: »

    That Clementine was depressing. The only good thing about ANF Clem was that she was a cold hearted renegade

  • It also annoys me in both season 1 and 2 when the writers lapse into making her just act like a miniature adult.

    There's a reason for that. In order to survive she had to mature faster than normal. Like Clem said "We can't be kids anymore, Sarah"

  • It also annoys me in both season 1 and 2 when the writers lapse into making her just act like a miniature adult.

    That's part of why they have characters like Duck and Ben around, isn't it?
    Gotta make the "Greatest Child Character in Video Game History" standpoint" somehow.

    Louche posted: »

    When I first played season one, I felt like it was odd that the game kept pushing me to like clementine so much because I felt she actually

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