A J is a disturbed little boy and there's a hint well before he does the thing
You only get the hint if you choose to go fishing and talk to AJ about it before bed that night. He describes the fishing as "I got to kill a fish." He "got to." Not 'caught a fish' or any other way to say it that downplays the death of the fish. No, he "got to" kill a fish, and he was smiling about it. He enjoyed killing it and that's a sign of a psycopathy. Psychopaths kill people and animals and show no signs of empathy and most psychopaths that become serial killers start out killing animals.
There is another hint, come to think of it, but it's not quite as overt. If Clem pushes Abel into the walkers at the train station, when Clem tells Brody not to worry about Abel following because she pushed him out the window into walkers, AJ will say it was awesome and have a huge smile on his face.
I think... I think we may have to put the little dude down for the safety of everyone around him.
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I’d honestly rather save Aj and have everyone else die then put him down. He’s such cool kid with an unbreakable relationship to Clementine.
I don't know man I think your reaching, and I disagree again I feel like it's hard to actually just put an illness around what Aj has by our standards. His particular situation is just so much more unique than that. Imagine a child born into a world as bad as the walking dead of course they're not going to be normal by any standards at all. I mean how could you act like a normal kid in that type of environment and not have issues. But I think it's too easy to just chalk that up to him being a psychopath. Aj's psyche is very much a product of his environment and how he is being raised by clem so I guess you could call him a sociopath. But I just think there are deeper issues at play and I don't think killing him is a good solution to that.
AJ's a poor boy from a poor family...
In post Apocalyptia Killing whether it's bad people, walkers, or Animals is proof you're strong and skilled. If Clem doesn't kill Abel he calls her weak basically. So his enthusiasm for killing is the normal world equivalent of being excited about touchdowns.
I don't care how messed up he might be, i'm not letting him die
Clementine, just killed a man...
I was aiming for his head,
pulled my trigger, now he's dead...
Aj was born into the zombie apocalypse. He thought the tire swing was a trap. He's not a normal kid and there's nothing wrong with that. Marlon was not a good person and was being threatening. Aj saw him as a bad guy and dealt with him and he was right about marlon being a bad guy and was right for dealing with him.
To be fair the group should have dealt with him not AJ. He's got the weight of the world on his shoulders.
He was happy when we spared the baby rabbit tho...I think he's just troubled on how to handle situations....remember he's only trained to kill bad guys yet he's never been with good guys ever in his conscious life.I hope we can save him.
Yeah they should've dealt with marlon but I don't blame aj for what he did nor am I mad at him.
I think i'd say the same thing if I went spear fishing. I got to kill a fish lol. He wasn't happy about it per say like massacist type but more so happy of the accomplishment and being able to help provide food. He was proud. I'm sure he didn't get off on watching it die. Him saying that wasn't a questionable moment for me.
Marlon was just another bad guy.
Remember why he wants to sleep under the bed not only because nobody can find him but " I can protect you while you sleep" he wants to be useful, he wants to pay back Clementine for all the love, care, and protection she's given him. He hesitation to eat the snacks asking about her well being first.
Completely agree. Aj's a good kid and clem is the only good person he's ever known and marlon clearly was not a good person.
So you’re whole justification for AJ is based around you thinking Marlon’s a bad guy.
I can do that too. In my opinion, Marlon wasn’t a bad guy. He was just a scared kid who made some really bad mistakes. He deserved a second chance to make up for his actions and was no longer a threat. AJ was wrong for shooting him when Clementine had the situation under control.
You can do that. Marlon was not innocent. He was a bad person. He got what he deserved. Even though I'm glad aj shot him I wish aj didn't so marlon could suffer like how he made tenn, violet, brody, sophi and minin suffer. What could he have done? he coward out of staging a rescue and he killed brody. He said he'd do it again. He clearly did not deserve a second chance. Not everyone deserves a second chance. I don't buy that scared kid nonsense. And he did more than made some really bad mistakes. He killed someone then try to put the blame on someone else. He wanted to give aj and clem away. And then there's situation regarding tenn's sisters. Marlon was absolute scum.
Quick question . Polite question. Whenever you were AJs age did you experience a situation similar to AJs? I recall being outside my parents door hearing my mom's screams holding a kitchen knife ready to stab my dad when I was AJs age . I didn't go through with stabbing him but it got that bad that I had the knife. And I don't live in an apocalypse.
Wow thats fucked up, sorry you had to go through something like that.
It's why I can see where AJs coming from him.
You say I can do that but then follow that up with more talk about what a bad person person Marlon was, how he got what he deserved and how you wish he was still alive so he could suffer, etc.
Sounds like you’re still unwilling to accept other people’s opinion of Marlon unless they match your own. If that’s the case than i’m ending the conversation here.
Yeah I mean when you think about it, Marlon was essentially threatening Aj's mom Clementine that's how Aj sees her. And if I saw someone threatening my mom with a weapon I would lose my shit too consequences be dammed.
Thing is, the threatening was over. He was threatening her with AJ's weapon. AJ watched the whole thing. He would be well aware that Marlon was no longer a threat. He would have had to pick up the gun off the ground after Marlon dropped it or had it taken from him, then moved over behind Marlon, then shot. I don't see how any of that could be justified as him thinking he's protecting Clem.
When I was 12 my Aunt’s boyfriend (Of all people) broke into our apartment and threatened to kill my mom right in front of me. I got in front of her and acted like a shield to protect her. Violence is not solved with more violence. That’s the way I see it anyway.
That's not the case whatsoever. I accept other people's opinion's. That's why I said you can do that. And there's no need for a conversation because I have my stance and you have yours and I respect that.
I didn't say anything about him protecting her, Like you said Clementine had already handled the situation at that point, I think when Aj killed Marlon it was done purley out of anger because he had threatened her in the first place. And if i'm being honest like I said in my previous post I would lose my shit too if someone threatened my mom with a weapon, a gun no less too. Hell I wouldn't stop trying to kill that person until they were dead, I wouldn't care if they surrendered.
He might just be the reincarnation of evil incarnate, Michael Myers.
Please do yourself the favor of watching S4 of TWD show & focus on the relationship of Carol & Tyreese as they tried to take care of Lizzie and Mika. Afterwards, return here to see if you hold the same opinion.
No, I think you're reaching from a state of denial. Child psychologists exist today even without the apocalypse for a good reason, dude.
Can't prevent his death if it's a part of the script, though.
Comparing AJ to a schizophrenic is low man go look at the Flowers and think about what you did.
Only trained to kill bad guys? The fact he brings up the Ranch suggests otherwise. He reminisced about missing the ranch prior to the bloodshed. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume there WERE some good guys @ the ranch before the bloodshed. Quit making excuses for him.
Wrong. If he remembers the ranch, he remembers it before Clem got there, too.
In the apocalypse, it's fair to say NO ONE is innocent. Our current morals & societal values go flying out the window in the apocalypse, sir. Add that to someone born in it & never knew what those were & you have a fine recipe for disaster if you don't get it in check before it's too late.
AJ = Lizzie Samuels.
No, unfortunately not. But i will do my best to keep him alive.
True. If this was a court case, AJ would be getting tried for 1st degree murder. Regardless of how half this forum is trying to justify his actions. If Clem never would've escaped the basement, I'm pretty sure he would've still shot him. Lee wasn't that type of guy.
I’ve seen the show 3 times. Aj is different from Lizzie(that was the crazy one right?) in many ways. Aj doesn’t play ring around the rosie with walkers or but down people he cares about because he thinks turning is “evolution” or some crazy shit. Lizzie was also born before the apocalypse started so she has no excuse for being weird af. Aj was born 2 years into the apocalypse, he didn’t have a normal childhood. Ultimately whatever Aj does has some sort of purpose that’s, in a way, reasonable, unlike Lizzie. He shot Marlon because he was a threat who was previously holding Clem at gunpoint. Many argue that’s Aj’s actions make sense and he’s a good kid, find me someone who thought Lizzie’s actions made sense and was a good kid.
You treat AJ like he's Lizzie
Lizzie was a badly schizophrenic Floridian with no medication for either of those conditions.
AJ doesn't empathize with Walkers. He does what he's taught to. Eliminate the threat and survive. Marlon threatened Clementine, Attacked him, Sold his friend's sisters and said they were Dead. Marlon said "AND I WOULD DO IT AGAIN!" So not only do you have a current threat but a future threat. Someone who will hurt you , hurt your mom, lied about your mom, killed someone, hurt your friends. What do you do? Hell ask ANF Jane let the strangers in Clementine what trusting strangers gets you. They screw you over later. So he was justified in being afraid of Marlon and Killing him. Marlon's behavior earned him a bullet in the eyes of a child who is still developing.
"I killed a fish" let's admit it that wasn't exactly easy for us especially getting all three. Him accomplishing it was impressive
Toys he's being a kid
He's shown no Lizzie signs. Maybe Carl early seasons maybe
You forget that one of the main goals of TFS is to guide the future of AJ. He only became a psycho if you taught him to be like that, Lee and company always teach Clem everything what she should be and what she should not be would be the same with AJ. You forget the difficult decisions Clem had to make before then. or when Conrad threatened Javier Gabe pointed the gun at Conrad to defend Javier advised Gabe that if he did that he would regret it for the rest of his life, it will be the same with AJ. and that's why we'll teach the son of a bitch when it's to shoot and when it's not to shoot
"Son of a bitch" is appropriate given Rebecca's behavior in season 2
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