In the apocalypse, it's fair to say NO ONE is innocent. Our current morals & societal values go flying out the window in the apocalypse… more, sir. Add that to someone born in it & never knew what those were & you have a fine recipe for disaster if you don't get it in check before it's too late.
AJ = Lizzie Samuels.
You forget that one of the main goals of TFS is to guide the future of AJ. He only became a psycho if you taught him to be like that, Lee an… mored company always teach Clem everything what she should be and what she should not be would be the same with AJ. You forget the difficult decisions Clem had to make before then. or when Conrad threatened Javier Gabe pointed the gun at Conrad to defend Javier advised Gabe that if he did that he would regret it for the rest of his life, it will be the same with AJ. and that's why we'll teach the son of a bitch when it's to shoot and when it's not to shoot
I still say he's like Lizzie Samuels, he doesn't have to show empathy for the zombies. The contrast for me here is the fact he doesn't show empathy for monsters OR human life. That's going to be an issue. The problem now is, he's committed a murder at such a young age to where it may be irreversible to teach him that what he did was wrong. AJ is almost like a child soldier which is ironic being he spent some time with David and we can only guess the types at the Ranch.
The only thing that comes close to AJ is Judith & to an extent, Hershel Jr in TWD. Both of them were born in the apocalypse & have had the fortune of being shielded from most of the horrors that is the apocalypse.
AJ resembles Lizzie's arc by feigning to listen to their respective caretaker. Carol/Clem, however they still decide to go their own way, no matter how delusional it may be. That is how he is similar to Lizzie & if you can't recognize that similarity of disobedience, then you're simply not trying to see it.
You forget that one of the main goals of TFS is to guide the future of AJ. He only became a psycho if you taught him to be like that, Lee an… mored company always teach Clem everything what she should be and what she should not be would be the same with AJ. You forget the difficult decisions Clem had to make before then. or when Conrad threatened Javier Gabe pointed the gun at Conrad to defend Javier advised Gabe that if he did that he would regret it for the rest of his life, it will be the same with AJ. and that's why we'll teach the son of a bitch when it's to shoot and when it's not to shoot
Basically wrapped up my reply for me.
@Dat1Wizard246 @CapnJay
I still say he's like Lizzie Samuels, he doesn't have to show empathy fo… morer the zombies. The contrast for me here is the fact he doesn't show empathy for monsters OR human life. That's going to be an issue. The problem now is, he's committed a murder at such a young age to where it may be irreversible to teach him that what he did was wrong. AJ is almost like a child soldier which is ironic being he spent some time with David and we can only guess the types at the Ranch.
The only thing that comes close to AJ is Judith & to an extent, Hershel Jr in TWD. Both of them were born in the apocalypse & have had the fortune of being shielded from most of the horrors that is the apocalypse.
AJ resembles Lizzie's arc by feigning to listen to their respective caretaker. Carol/Clem, however they still decide to go their own way, no matter how delusional it may be. That is how … [view original content]
Not saying these 'empathetic' points aren't valid, but I'm also not going to believe these weren't just more of his feigning. If he wants to protect the people he loves, then please explain to me as if you were a lawyer defending your client accused of 1st degree murder, why this child felt an unarmed teenager that admitted he screwed up and wanted to give up, was still a threat to him and those around him?
Time for me to recite ajs empathy
Clementine: here you go kiddo eat up
AJ: but what about you?
Clementine: we'll find food
Aj;: I beli… moreeve you
AJ: They're not people anymore they're monsters ( he recognizes the difference and why killing people is different from killing monsters)
Clem: what's going on kiddo
Ah: if I stay under here the monster's can't find me and I can watch over you and protect you.
Learning to respect privacy, to pay respects, to be honest .
Befriending Tenn ( the toy incident is a child problem)
Understanding Minnie and Violet were in love
AJ is empathetic he's confused about things and wants to protect the people he loves.
It was storming , he couldn't hear Marlon over the thunder , the blood rushing in his ears, and the barking dog behind him. And the man was threatening his mom and up until that point he didn't have a weapon to stop the threat. In Florida we have stand your ground laws. A sex trafficking, murderer is definitely a threat no matter how much he boohoos about it.
Not saying these 'empathetic' points aren't valid, but I'm also not going to believe these weren't just more of his feigning. If he wants to… more protect the people he loves, then please explain to me as if you were a lawyer defending your client accused of 1st degree murder, why this child felt an unarmed teenager that admitted he screwed up and wanted to give up, was still a threat to him and those around him?
Ignoring the stupid argument that AJ couldn't see or hear what was going on (everyone else could hear just fine), you mean the same weapon that the "man" threatening his "mom" took from him, then dropped or had taken from him and thrown down? That same weapon that by sheer virtue of getting it back, AJ would know the "man" no longer had it? That weapon? That one? No, there's literally no excuse for what AJ did. There's absolutely no way he still thought Clem was in enough danger to warrant shooting Marlon. If that were the case, he'd have shot the guy in the train station without a word because that guy never did drop his gun and remained a threat the entire time he was there.
It was storming , he couldn't hear Marlon over the thunder , the blood rushing in his ears, and the barking dog behind him. And the man was … morethreatening his mom and up until that point he didn't have a weapon to stop the threat. In Florida we have stand your ground laws. A sex trafficking, murderer is definitely a threat no matter how much he boohoos about it.
Ignoring the stupid argument that AJ couldn't see or hear what was going on (everyone else could hear just fine), you mean the same weapon t… morehat the "man" threatening his "mom" took from him, then dropped or had taken from him and thrown down? That same weapon that by sheer virtue of getting it back, AJ would know the "man" no longer had it? That weapon? That one? No, there's literally no excuse for what AJ did. There's absolutely no way he still thought Clem was in enough danger to warrant shooting Marlon. If that were the case, he'd have shot the guy in the train station without a word because that guy never did drop his gun and remained a threat the entire time he was there.
Sure, if AJ had shot him during the standoff, absolutely. But AJ didn't shoot Marlon during the standoff (he couldn't). AJ shot him after the standoff was over and Marlon was no longer a threat. AJ just straight up executed him. He wasn't defending anyone. He executed Marlon.
Let's put this in other terms. Imagine a bank robbery. Robber has the bank manager hostage. Robber is talked down or otherwise disarmed, drops his gun and gives up. As he presents himself to the police for arrest, one of the bank employees picks up the gun the robber dropped and blows his brains out. Is the employee justified? Fuck no lol.
Cops oooh yeah let's use modern laws and trials to justify this . No fuck you . You want to justify it look up a war torn third world country and see what they'd say on the matter. Fuck you you don't get to try to go oh well it would be first degree bullshit the arresting officer is a walker the prosecutor is a walker the judge is a walker the whole damn system are walkers. You execute the threat as soon as you have the chance.
Sure, if AJ had shot him during the standoff, absolutely. But AJ didn't shoot Marlon during the standoff (he couldn't). AJ shot him after th… moree standoff was over and Marlon was no longer a threat. AJ just straight up executed him. He wasn't defending anyone. He executed Marlon.
Let's put this in other terms. Imagine a bank robbery. Robber has the bank manager hostage. Robber is talked down or otherwise disarmed, drops his gun and gives up. As he presents himself to the police for arrest, one of the bank employees picks up the gun the robber dropped and blows his brains out. Is the employee justified? Fuck no lol.
It has nothing to do with our modern laws. I'm making a point. Killing someone after they're no longer a threat is not justified. Period. No matter what world you live in. It's murder, or execution, but it's not justified like if he had been shot while waving the gun around threatening people. Marlon had surrendered and was no longer an immediate threat that warranted being killed. He may have been executed later, but in that moment AJ was completely wrong.
Cops oooh yeah let's use modern laws and trials to justify this . No fuck you . You want to justify it look up a war torn third world countr… morey and see what they'd say on the matter. Fuck you you don't get to try to go oh well it would be first degree bullshit the arresting officer is a walker the prosecutor is a walker the judge is a walker the whole damn system are walkers. You execute the threat as soon as you have the chance.
Robber has the bank manager hostage. Robber is talked down or otherwise disarmed, drops his gun and gives up. As he presents himself to the police for arrest, one of the bank employees picks up the gun the robber dropped and blows his brains out. Is the employee justified? Fuck no
I'm sorry, but you can't deny it, he's right. Once the immediate danger is gone, it just becomes an excessive use force at that point. That's straight up homicide.
Cops oooh yeah let's use modern laws and trials to justify this . No fuck you . You want to justify it look up a war torn third world countr… morey and see what they'd say on the matter. Fuck you you don't get to try to go oh well it would be first degree bullshit the arresting officer is a walker the prosecutor is a walker the judge is a walker the whole damn system are walkers. You execute the threat as soon as you have the chance.
Robber has the bank manager hostage. Robber is talked down or otherwise disarmed, drops his gun and gives up. As he presents himself to the … morepolice for arrest, one of the bank employees picks up the gun the robber dropped and blows his brains out. Is the employee justified? Fuck no
I'm sorry, but you can't deny it, he's right. Once the immediate danger is gone, it just becomes an excessive use force at that point. That's straight up homicide.
If he had shot Marlon while Marlon was waving the gun around he'd have been a magician with a spare gun. He didn't have the opportunity to shoot Marlon UNTIL Marlon was disarmed and Marlon was still a threat to his and Clem's safety.
It has nothing to do with our modern laws. I'm making a point. Killing someone after they're no longer a threat is not justified. Period. No… more matter what world you live in. It's murder, or execution, but it's not justified like if he had been shot while waving the gun around threatening people. Marlon had surrendered and was no longer an immediate threat that warranted being killed. He may have been executed later, but in that moment AJ was completely wrong.
Think of it like this: You're walking your dog and i'm walking mine. Your dog attacks mine, but you quickly detain him. After your dog has been detained and is no longer a threat, me pulling out my gun and shooting your dog, even though he clearly is no longer endangering the life of mine cannot be justified. It just can't.
Cops oooh yeah let's use modern laws and trials to justify this . No fuck you . You want to justify it look up a war torn third world countr… morey and see what they'd say on the matter. Fuck you you don't get to try to go oh well it would be first degree bullshit the arresting officer is a walker the prosecutor is a walker the judge is a walker the whole damn system are walkers. You execute the threat as soon as you have the chance.
If he had shot Marlon while Marlon was waving the gun around he'd have been a magician with a spare gun. He didn't have the opportunity to shoot Marlon UNTIL Marlon was disarmed and Marlon was still a threat to his and Clem's safety.
I... I don't know if you're trolling or not. You're making my points for me yet you're still arguing against me. We've established that because Marlon had AJ's gun, the fact that AJ got it back meant Marlon no longer had it and was no longer a threat yet you still maintain that he was. How? Was AJ to think Marlon was hiding a pistol in his asshole or something? Marlon was basically in tears, begging to leave, and AJ picked up the gun that Marlon dropped and shot him with it.
If he had shot Marlon while Marlon was waving the gun around he'd have been a magician with a spare gun. He didn't have the opportunity to shoot Marlon UNTIL Marlon was disarmed and Marlon was still a threat to his and Clem's safety.
Man...I don't see how anyone could still see Marlon as a threat at that moment. Especially if you talked him down peacefully. If you mean in regards to a future threat, you can't execute someone for something they MIGHT do in the future.
If he had shot Marlon while Marlon was waving the gun around he'd have been a magician with a spare gun. He didn't have the opportunity to shoot Marlon UNTIL Marlon was disarmed and Marlon was still a threat to his and Clem's safety.
Man...I don't see how anyone could still see Marlon as a threat at that moment. Especially if you talked him down peacefully. If you mean in regards to a future threat, you can't execute someone for something they MIGHT do in the future.
I... I don't know if you're trolling or not. You're making my points for me yet you're still arguing against me. We've established that beca… moreuse Marlon had AJ's gun, the fact that AJ got it back meant Marlon no longer had it and was no longer a threat yet you still maintain that he was. How? Was AJ to think Marlon was hiding a pistol in his asshole or something? Marlon was basically in tears, begging to leave, and AJ picked up the gun that Marlon dropped and shot him with it.
Man...I don't see how anyone could still see Marlon as a threat at that moment. Especially if you talked him down peacefully. If you mean in regards to a future threat, you can't execute someone for something they MIGHT do in the future.
As much as I like Brody, I don't think he deserved to die. Yeah he split her skull, but.....Idk I just really don't think he deserved to die for it, or for trading the twins. What he did was super fucked up, but Idk he's just doesn't deserve death. But to be fair, I don't think AJ deserves death either. Just two people who rushed to act before thinking.
As much as I like Brody, I don't think he deserved to die. Yeah he split her skull, but.....Idk I just really don't think he deserved to die… more for it, or for trading the twins. What he did was super fucked up, but Idk he's just doesn't deserve death. But to be fair, I don't think AJ deserves death either. Just two people who rushed to act before thinking.
Did he have the flashlight at that point? Was he swinging it at anyone? Was he threatening anyone at that point? Unless the answer is yes to any of those than you and I have very different definitions of threat.
Let me speak in terms you'll understand better.
Remember when Mr Jefferson got arrested? Was he endangering any other girls at that exact moment? Would he still be a threat to Max within that moment of his arrest?
Did he have the flashlight at that point? Was he swinging it at anyone? Was he threatening anyone at that point? Unless the answer is yes to any of those than you and I have very different definitions of threat.
Agreed, I really doubt that he wanted to kill Brody, he just has anger issues and did not think at the moment, hell, even Kenny acts before thinking but yet not as many people hate him. AJ was wrong too and neither of them deserves to die, in life you learn from the mistakes you make, with guidance AJ would not repeat what he has done and if Marlon was left alone to think of his actions and redeem himself eventually he would become a better person. I don't say that both of what they have done is good, I only say that they don't deserve to die for it.
As much as I like Brody, I don't think he deserved to die. Yeah he split her skull, but.....Idk I just really don't think he deserved to die… more for it, or for trading the twins. What he did was super fucked up, but Idk he's just doesn't deserve death. But to be fair, I don't think AJ deserves death either. Just two people who rushed to act before thinking.
Let me speak in terms you'll understand better.
Remember when Mr Jefferson got arrested? Was he endangering any other girls at that exact moment? Would he still be a threat to Max within that moment of his arrest?
He was barking and not biting, what I mean is with his secret being exposed and him realizing his mistakes that he wouldn't have done this again therefore he's not a threat anymore. Even if he tried do you think the group would allow this? After what happened? I definitely don't think so.
He was barking and not biting, what I mean is with his secret being exposed and him realizing his mistakes that he wouldn't have done this a… moregain therefore he's not a threat anymore. Even if he tried do you think the group would allow this? After what happened? I definitely don't think so.
Sure, but he had lost his authority and wouldn't be able to make good on it.
Imagine the manager of best buy telling you they'll give away a 4k tv to some random person. Now imagine the manager got fired. Can they still give away a 4k tv? No. They no longer have the authority to do it. If they try to they'll be stopped.
I 've dealt with constant threats in life. (If you bothered to read my answer to the question you asked me on the first page) Marlon wasn't a threat anymore. Not to me he wasn't. Like I said, i don't have the same definition of threat that you obviously do.
I 've dealt with constant threats in life. (If you bothered to read my answer to the question you asked me on the first page) Marlon wasn't … morea threat anymore. Not to me he wasn't. Like I said, i don't have the same definition of threat that you obviously do.
I am resigning from my un-obligated duty of trying to convince you Marlon was no longer a threat once the gun was out of his hands, and had given up. Please enjoy this picture of frogs talking about some box
No your Clem was in the middle of establishing herself as the new leader of the school. None of them would go along with him trying to give her away after learning he gave the twins away, lied about it for a year, made no effort to get them back, and then killed Brody, especially considering Clem had just that night brought in enough food to feed everyone for several days, maybe a week. You're delusional if you think any of them would still remain loyal to him as a leader and go along with him giving Clem to raiders.
I am resigning from my un-obligated duty of trying to convince you Marlon was no longer a threat once the gun was out of his hands, and had given up. Please enjoy this picture of frogs talking about some box
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Well it's a good thing aj's still a kid.
Idk what you're talking about and referring to.
There's no way I taught him to kill unarmed people. I certainly didn't teach it to him in episode 1. Did you?
Basically wrapped up my reply for me.
@Dat1Wizard246 @CapnJay
I still say he's like Lizzie Samuels, he doesn't have to show empathy for the zombies. The contrast for me here is the fact he doesn't show empathy for monsters OR human life. That's going to be an issue. The problem now is, he's committed a murder at such a young age to where it may be irreversible to teach him that what he did was wrong. AJ is almost like a child soldier which is ironic being he spent some time with David and we can only guess the types at the Ranch.
The only thing that comes close to AJ is Judith & to an extent, Hershel Jr in TWD. Both of them were born in the apocalypse & have had the fortune of being shielded from most of the horrors that is the apocalypse.
AJ resembles Lizzie's arc by feigning to listen to their respective caretaker. Carol/Clem, however they still decide to go their own way, no matter how delusional it may be. That is how he is similar to Lizzie & if you can't recognize that similarity of disobedience, then you're simply not trying to see it.
I'm just kinda whatever on him at this point. I have more attachment to Tenn in under 2 hours than I've had AJ's entire lifespan of this series.
Time for me to recite ajs empathy
Clementine: here you go kiddo eat up
AJ: but what about you?
Clementine: we'll find food
Aj;: I believe you
AJ: They're not people anymore they're monsters ( he recognizes the difference and why killing people is different from killing monsters)
Clem: what's going on kiddo
Ah: if I stay under here the monster's can't find me and I can watch over you and protect you.
Learning to respect privacy, to pay respects, to be honest .
Befriending Tenn ( the toy incident is a child problem)
Understanding Minnie and Violet were in love
AJ is empathetic he's confused about things and wants to protect the people he loves.
Not saying these 'empathetic' points aren't valid, but I'm also not going to believe these weren't just more of his feigning. If he wants to protect the people he loves, then please explain to me as if you were a lawyer defending your client accused of 1st degree murder, why this child felt an unarmed teenager that admitted he screwed up and wanted to give up, was still a threat to him and those around him?
It was storming , he couldn't hear Marlon over the thunder , the blood rushing in his ears, and the barking dog behind him. And the man was threatening his mom and up until that point he didn't have a weapon to stop the threat. In Florida we have stand your ground laws. A sex trafficking, murderer is definitely a threat no matter how much he boohoos about it.
Ignoring the stupid argument that AJ couldn't see or hear what was going on (everyone else could hear just fine), you mean the same weapon that the "man" threatening his "mom" took from him, then dropped or had taken from him and thrown down? That same weapon that by sheer virtue of getting it back, AJ would know the "man" no longer had it? That weapon? That one? No, there's literally no excuse for what AJ did. There's absolutely no way he still thought Clem was in enough danger to warrant shooting Marlon. If that were the case, he'd have shot the guy in the train station without a word because that guy never did drop his gun and remained a threat the entire time he was there.
Everything Marlon did was an excuse.
Sure, if AJ had shot him during the standoff, absolutely. But AJ didn't shoot Marlon during the standoff (he couldn't). AJ shot him after the standoff was over and Marlon was no longer a threat. AJ just straight up executed him. He wasn't defending anyone. He executed Marlon.
Let's put this in other terms. Imagine a bank robbery. Robber has the bank manager hostage. Robber is talked down or otherwise disarmed, drops his gun and gives up. As he presents himself to the police for arrest, one of the bank employees picks up the gun the robber dropped and blows his brains out. Is the employee justified? Fuck no lol.
Cops oooh yeah let's use modern laws and trials to justify this . No fuck you . You want to justify it look up a war torn third world country and see what they'd say on the matter. Fuck you you don't get to try to go oh well it would be first degree bullshit the arresting officer is a walker the prosecutor is a walker the judge is a walker the whole damn system are walkers. You execute the threat as soon as you have the chance.
idk. i like this aj. he seems more strong than crazy. if he hadn't killed mullet then i would've. that kid had to go.
It has nothing to do with our modern laws. I'm making a point. Killing someone after they're no longer a threat is not justified. Period. No matter what world you live in. It's murder, or execution, but it's not justified like if he had been shot while waving the gun around threatening people. Marlon had surrendered and was no longer an immediate threat that warranted being killed. He may have been executed later, but in that moment AJ was completely wrong.
I'm sorry, but you can't deny it, he's right. Once the immediate danger is gone, it just becomes an excessive use force at that point. That's straight up homicide.
Thank you.
If he had shot Marlon while Marlon was waving the gun around he'd have been a magician with a spare gun. He didn't have the opportunity to shoot Marlon UNTIL Marlon was disarmed and Marlon was still a threat to his and Clem's safety.
Think of it like this: You're walking your dog and i'm walking mine. Your dog attacks mine, but you quickly detain him. After your dog has been detained and is no longer a threat, me pulling out my gun and shooting your dog, even though he clearly is no longer endangering the life of mine cannot be justified. It just can't.
No he wasn't
He was only a threat because had the gun.
I'm sure it was Marlon's gun that gave the twins away. Marlon shot Brody need i go on?
I... I don't know if you're trolling or not. You're making my points for me yet you're still arguing against me. We've established that because Marlon had AJ's gun, the fact that AJ got it back meant Marlon no longer had it and was no longer a threat yet you still maintain that he was. How? Was AJ to think Marlon was hiding a pistol in his asshole or something? Marlon was basically in tears, begging to leave, and AJ picked up the gun that Marlon dropped and shot him with it.
Man...I don't see how anyone could still see Marlon as a threat at that moment. Especially if you talked him down peacefully. If you mean in regards to a future threat, you can't execute someone for something they MIGHT do in the future.
"He could rob a bank so let's send him to jail"
?????
He killed Brody with a flashlight
As much as I like Brody, I don't think he deserved to die. Yeah he split her skull, but.....Idk I just really don't think he deserved to die for it, or for trading the twins. What he did was super fucked up, but Idk he's just doesn't deserve death. But to be fair, I don't think AJ deserves death either. Just two people who rushed to act before thinking.
The point was Marlon was a threat gun or no gun.
Did he have the flashlight at that point? Was he swinging it at anyone? Was he threatening anyone at that point? Unless the answer is yes to any of those than you and I have very different definitions of threat.
Let me speak in terms you'll understand better.
Remember when Mr Jefferson got arrested? Was he endangering any other girls at that exact moment? Would he still be a threat to Max within that moment of his arrest?
He already announced his intent to give them away in the future. Threat.
Agreed, I really doubt that he wanted to kill Brody, he just has anger issues and did not think at the moment, hell, even Kenny acts before thinking but yet not as many people hate him. AJ was wrong too and neither of them deserves to die, in life you learn from the mistakes you make, with guidance AJ would not repeat what he has done and if Marlon was left alone to think of his actions and redeem himself eventually he would become a better person. I don't say that both of what they have done is good, I only say that they don't deserve to die for it.
Does Max understand what a legal system is?
He was barking and not biting, what I mean is with his secret being exposed and him realizing his mistakes that he wouldn't have done this again therefore he's not a threat anymore. Even if he tried do you think the group would allow this? After what happened? I definitely don't think so.
Considering my Clem was in the middle of saying " you can stay but not in charge" yes the group would have let him.
Sure, but he had lost his authority and wouldn't be able to make good on it.
Imagine the manager of best buy telling you they'll give away a 4k tv to some random person. Now imagine the manager got fired. Can they still give away a 4k tv? No. They no longer have the authority to do it. If they try to they'll be stopped.
I 've dealt with constant threats in life. (If you bothered to read my answer to the question you asked me on the first page) Marlon wasn't a threat anymore. Not to me he wasn't. Like I said, i don't have the same definition of threat that you obviously do.
Or the same definition Aj does?
I am resigning from my un-obligated duty of trying to convince you Marlon was no longer a threat once the gun was out of his hands, and had given up. Please enjoy this picture of frogs talking about some box
No your Clem was in the middle of establishing herself as the new leader of the school. None of them would go along with him trying to give her away after learning he gave the twins away, lied about it for a year, made no effort to get them back, and then killed Brody, especially considering Clem had just that night brought in enough food to feed everyone for several days, maybe a week. You're delusional if you think any of them would still remain loyal to him as a leader and go along with him giving Clem to raiders.
I remember those frog books from when I was a kid. Ah nostalgia...