Only thinking about surviving
I've been seeing some people saying that shipping Clem with anyone, and talking about crushes, and relationships are stupid, because it's the apocalypse, and people should only think about surviving, food, protecting themselves, and they have no time for such stupid things as "love". I think in a world where there is no love, only surviving, there's no reason to live, and that's just as if people were animals(not saying that animals have no reason to live, i love them with all my heart). I mean i respect people saying that they don't want their Clem to be in a relationship, but i don't agree with people saying, that there is no reason in talking about shipping and love, because that's not their no1 priority. So what do you guys think about it? Imo people have their rights to enjoy life, even a short amount of time, even if it's the apocalypse
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If you’re in a stable environment, then sure, why not?
I mean...if you are surviving the apocalypse scavenging everyday and sleeping you might aswell put a bullet in you. Being alone is difficult already in our reality, so yes given the right circumstances love is important, it could be the only thing left.
Let's take Louis pinata instead of hunting that is bad if you approach love like Louis approaches Life you might as well be Romeo and Juliet because you'll be dead by 12
Approach love like Violet. Do your job but use your free time for romance.
yeah:/ i was thinking about what if i was by myself in the apocalypse, surviving from day to day, without a group, i don't think i would be able to live like that
Exactly! Thank you for saying this. I have no problem with romance or whatever if they are in a safe environment.
Well you could always "make" a friend.
Meh I agree with Clementine when she says love is for suckers and gets you killed if you chose that line during the card game.
Speaking about love in general, Kenny became reckless when he lost Duck, Katjaa in season 1 and Sarita in season 2, Michonne was almost killing herself because she was haunted by her daughters all the time, Lilly became a "crazy bitch" (Kenny quote) when Larry gets killed, Conrad became crazy too after Francine's death, I also think Tripp died cus of Eleanor
and the list goes on.
Im pretty sure Clementine will die for the same reason in the end of this season.
In a zombie apocalypse, I think the loner type of survivors will prevail most of times, like Nate or Molly, and for most part Jane before knowing Luke, she died because she was depressed since she was pregnant, I think if Jane and Luke didnt meet, she would still be alive.
Thats right, whether we like it or not humans are social beings, sure alone we can survive, but we cannot live. Emotion are also important.
You'd lose the with to live because there's nothing worth living for. And I'm guessing by your logic Jane would have died because she still would have wanted to be around Clementine.
But also those people became a little selfish, and didn't really care about others than themselves
I definitely agree with that. I obviously understand that surviving and protecting oneself is paramount but that doesn't mean there's no room for Clem to pursue romantic relationships and find some semblance of happiness in a world this grim and unforgiving. With that said, I think it's everyone's prerogative if they wanna play Clem like a hardened survivalist or a love-struck teenager because guess what? She can be both and has been both in the past.
I don't really care who anyone loves or why.
If you're not going to add any more of an argument than that for or against Love why are you here? Just checking in to let us know you're still alive? Glad to hear it. Keep on keeping on buddy.
For what I've seen in game, she hanged herself leaving Clementine and AJ alone, the reason for it (I think) is because she was depressed because se was pregnant, she didn't want to raise a child in this kind of environment and the thought of Luke pushed her to make this decision, but I'm not sure about it.
So she showed that she didn't really care about Clementine and AJ, otherwise she wouldn't have hanged herself leaving them alone.
he/she just stated their opinion, there's nothing wrong with it (although they didn't really explain why they don't care:D)
Don't think she gave a fuck about Luke after she gave a Fuck to Luke. She just didn't want to be responsible for another life AJ was enough plus she likely would have lauried in childbirth anyway. Finding booze or stuff to cause a miscarriage would have been smarter but ttg needed her gone.
yeah you're right, if she really cared about Clem and AJ, she wouldn't have left them like that. She could have atleast talk to her about it
I always viewed Jane vs Kenny as " if Clementine was being attacked by walkers on one side and AJ was being attacked on the other who would choose who.
Kenny would let Clementine die to save baby duck... I mean AJ.
Jane would save Clementine because babies are too much work to keep alive.
It's been scientifically proven through studies that with the exception of immediate mortal danger (like a zombie literally knocking at your door), the more danger people are in, the more likely they are to take comfort in other people and form relationships. It's a combination of things, being social creatures we seek comfort from one another, but it's also something to do with natural instinct to preserve the species. It's the same reason why population growth is actually slower in areas after their infant mortality rates decrease. When their babies stop dying, they stop having so many babies. I know that seems counter intuitive but there's all sorts of data, graphs, charts, etc that show it.
I'm not sure that this theory applies for a zombie apocalypse, people killing each others all the time cutting their throats on every occasion they have just to steal a bottle of water or a little weasel (like the bandits who apparently killed Christa).
Like Hobbes said, "homo homini lupus", I think most of men are evil by nature, and in the case of an apocalypse they reveal even more their true nature.
They prefer to stay together only because they have higher chance of survival, so it's just an "alliance of convenience", there is more than one evidence of that in the game.
Laws and rules are a tool to prevent such things, otherwise we didnt even need this kind of stuff in first place.
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That can be debated, I think that in countries with no easy access to guns the people will probably tend more to stick together.
Didn't know I was walking into yet another shipping thread, I did get a good laugh out of losing the will to live without love, atleast. And I'm not your buddy, pal.
If you don't have something to live for why live at all?
It's not even about love, it's about........well, that other thing that's hard to come by in the apocalypse....
Pastries?
getting warmer
Ice cream?
Does it begin with s and end with x?
ehhhh, cold
Think about what you're saying then think about the time before modern civilization, when people did have to fight tooth and nail to survive. Sometimes they got eaten by predators, sometimes they got killed by other people, but they still formed bonds and loved and made babies and they did it sooner than we do in modern society because like I said, the survival of the species instincts urged them to get it on and make babies even when their environment wasn't really well suited to it.
Six? No.
trust?
Not Six! Sax!
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Yeah Kenny would just let Clementine die. Kenny wouldn’t decide in time and then both of them would die.
Tbh after all these shipping threads I would rather let clem die.
Given that the actual results are that Jane kills herself and Kenny sticks around to see both Clem and AJ age a bit, I'm not sure where this assessment comes from. If anything it's been proven that Kenny would save them both and Jane would save neither.
With ANF, I wanted her to as well
Jane would just leave them both without a care in the world, as we've seen in ANF, while Kenny would try his best to save both.