Dang?. Well I mean I don't want her to die in the most gruesome, messed up way possible (although I wouldn't really mind it) but like Clementine has come a long way.
From a little girl getting protected by her protector till the end until he dies to her now doing to same for AJ. I see it more as a "Thank You" to Lee for giving her the chance to live and now she'll do the same for AJ as a rememberance to his teachings.
It would be a beautiful way to end the series and a nice send off to the fans that the little girl that they knew from Season 1 is now all grown up and has come a long way. Clem says goodbye to AJ as she's dying and then we see her getting greeted by Lee and Lee's greets her with a "Hey Sweet Pea" and the series ends off there.
Like just because she dies, that doesn't mean its a bad ending. It can be a beautiful, heartwarming ending depending on how she dies.
Like Lee got bit but still wanted to save Clem. Went through hell to try and save her and he did till thr very end. Yes it was sad but it wasn't a bad/horrible ending. It was a heartwreching, bittersweet ending because while Lee died, Clem still lived and while she did lose a lot of people and hope was gone, she gained hope back when she saw Christa and Omid in the distance giving her a hopeful expression.
People seem to forget that bittersweet endings can happen and in the TWD universe, people you either get a bittersweet ending or a sad ending. Happy endings don't always happen for everyone
We don't want a Cliché "Fucked up ending" I don't know why you would want one
I want her survivability to falter and crumble, and it… more's imminent.
your words may actually matter here
Hopefully
The influence you are trying to convey is definitely horrible story-wise and in a logical standpoint.
I think otherwise
As I said in my thread she's an iconic character. There's no reason to kill her off as it would be a horrible ending among other things
It's people like you that are part of the reason why I want her to die in the first place. Your attachment to her. It makes me itch ?
it would be a horrible ending
For you. Honestly, I think it would be a great ending if they had her die in the most gruesome, fucked up way imaginable
It wouldn't really be bad writing if they make it meaningful and impactful.
Like to see Clem wanting to protect AJ just like Lee did for … moreher and then she sacrifices herself for AJ or they both die (in a satisfying way) just shows how long she came. She went from someone protecting her till the end giving her the chance to live to her now protecting someone else becoming like her old mentor/guidance is just beautiful and sweet.
Just shows her coming full circle and shows the fans that their precious little girl is all grown up
I thought at this point that it was the general consensus of the series that nothing lasts forever and you always die. Don't you think aj would.die as a kid anyways? Even Clem, no one is indestructible in the series and luck runs out at some point. If she does survive it would to be latch onto a new group every so often.
Unless ttg was trolling us the whole point of this season is for Clementine to stop running and start building becoming a leader of a new community. Season 1 looking for Truth. Season 2 looking for a way to survive. Season 3 looking for a reason to live
Season 4. Looking for home.
I thought at this point that it was the general consensus of the series that nothing lasts forever and you always die. Don't you think aj w… moreould.die as a kid anyways? Even Clem, no one is indestructible in the series and luck runs out at some point. If she does survive it would to be latch onto a new group every so often.
Unless ttg was trolling us the whole point of this season is for Clementine to stop running and start building becoming a leader of a new co… moremmunity. Season 1 looking for Truth. Season 2 looking for a way to survive. Season 3 looking for a reason to live
Season 4. Looking for home.
Besides the biased flashbacks, gabentine to punish Jane supporters ( as if that kennysuckin writer didn't punish us enough with how she died), and Tripp forgetting we told him about Conrad i thought it was a good season.
Besides the biased flashbacks, gabentine to punish Jane supporters ( as if that kennysuckin writer didn't punish us enough with how she died), and Tripp forgetting we told him about Conrad i thought it was a good season.
Neither did Michonne..... Would you have enjoyed season 3 if there hadn't been a drop of Clementine it had all been the garcias story and the final season covered what happened between season 2 and season 4 instead?
Neither did Michonne..... Would you have enjoyed season 3 if there hadn't been a drop of Clementine it had all been the garcias story and the final season covered what happened between season 2 and season 4 instead?
Making an audience bond with a character for 6 years and then killing said character off just to make your audience feel something has a name mate, it's called bad writing.
Lol, I'm not just saying this just because I like Clem. I'm saying this because I like telltale games and the community. You're ignoring the point at which I said there's multiple things to take into account. As I said, I've seen this type of community mayhem where a minority of people speak up in support of decisions that are not good for a company at all. This is one of the times I've decided to intervene, probably my first.
And if you make the argument that she's just a fictional character, why are you yourself discussing it or even involving yourself? Illogical.
I think you're too attached to Clem. Just my opinion. She's just a fictional character. You should learn to let go, and like Clem said, learn to say goodbye.
Coincidentally when one of my family members was in prison he'd watch the Walking Dead. He felt like the only people he liked in the prison were the characters on the Walking Dead. When one of the characters died he'd feel so angry he'd want to break stuff. He loves music and when Beth died it depressed him for days.
Some people ( like myself) care more about fictional characters than real people especially when we don't have break people In our lives. Wh… moreen fictional characters are the closest thing you have to friends or famy that you have we'll see how you feel then. Youll Probably think " Lul I don't have your issues I hang out with my buds have dinner with my family and fucky my partner. And everyone who doesn't do that is stupid"
Nobody lives forever. Even God was killed by Douglas Adams.. Alexandria is still standing along with hilltop kingdom and the Commonwealth as of the most recent issue. So Clementine could die of old age in bed hypothetically.
Well I could have cited thanks Thor Kratos basically any character who seems unkillable but has been killed. Even if a character is immortal they've probably died because of a different writer. It may be retconned later but in the moment it's true.
Or to put it simply
Everyone dies everything dies. Doesn't mean it has to be a sad tragic or young death
It sounds like you have a bit of a problem...not me. You're more than a little needy in "Feeling something", and sadness probably being the strongest emotion, it seems as if you're hinting that you're emotionally depraved to the point that sadness is all you can feel. If Clementine did die I think you would probably regret being so hot to get her killed off.
Considering two people are presuming I'm "Attached" to a character I didn't even make besides what Telltale lets you make of her, I wouldn't give much warrant to that claim.
While people can become attached to moldable characters, it's rare. If you want to see people attached to characters look to the source. It's well known that Authors, Developers, etc. sometimes even resonate with their characters. I like Clem as a character, a lot. She's one of my favorites. Attached? Maybe a little due to her being a moldable and very likeable character. Other than that claiming I'm attached has no affect on my points as they are not based mainly on me liking the character. They're based on what's good for the series and community besides the other things I covered. If you're not "attached" why would you claim you have the feeling of sadness when a character you're supposedly not "attached" to dies?
Also from a logical standpoint, it doesn't matter if you think otherwise.
I think you're too attached to Clem. You should learn to let go, and like Clem said, learn to say goodbye.
I resonate with this. I l… moreike her character, but I'd love it if she'd die. I like being stripped of all the characters I care about in fiction. It really makes you feel, you know? Maybe not sadness or anger, but you do feel something.
Exactly. Some of the people talking against my points think I don't at least somewhat know what I'm talking about considering my background. I'm glad you looked at it from both a logical and heartfelt standpoint. That's rare. It would be horrible storytelling to just kill Clem off.
Making an audience bond with a character for 6 years and then killing said character off just to make your audience feel something has a name mate, it's called bad writing.
But it definitely would be bad storytelling, even if they made her death "meaningful and impactful". It seems pretty impossible that her death would be meaningful and impactful any way considering it's the final season and nothing comes after. One of the main points of raising a kid is staying alive for them, that's why Lee felt like he let Clem down by dying.
Also what you were imagining is literally the plot of Season 1. Implementing the Season 1 plot again would be the laziest act possible by the Developers, and if I know them they won't take that route, thankfully.
It wouldn't really be bad writing if they make it meaningful and impactful.
Like to see Clem wanting to protect AJ just like Lee did for … moreher and then she sacrifices herself for AJ or they both die (in a satisfying way) just shows how long she came. She went from someone protecting her till the end giving her the chance to live to her now protecting someone else becoming like her old mentor/guidance is just beautiful and sweet.
Just shows her coming full circle and shows the fans that their precious little girl is all grown up
The issue is bittersweet endings, more often sad endings, happen almost all the time in TWD. So yeah, happy endings don't always happen, in fact they're rare. Most people have a better remembrance of a series if it has a happy ending, and are more inclined to rewatch or replay it.
It's like with Mass Effect. They realize they messed up the ending, and I got to it late, after when they tried to fix everything. It turned out the ending was Amazing for me. My Shepard managed to survive through my decisions. This makes me more likely to replay the series and think of it highly. I did claim once that it's one of the best digital entertainment mediums in history, as I will somewhat claim of the Walking Dead so far. But this series has much more to lose due to its nature. Having it have a horrible and depressing ending where the main character dies will end up like what happened with Mass Effect 3, I guarantee it. Not only is it bad storytelling, but a bad idea as a whole. What happened with Mass Effect 3 destroyed the community and had the staff in a frenzy.
Clementine should live. How the story would unfold in the magnificent case that she does live is up for speculation, but regardless, it's smart to have Clem survive in all cases.
Dang?. Well I mean I don't want her to die in the most gruesome, messed up way possible (although I wouldn't really mind it) but like Clemen… moretine has come a long way.
From a little girl getting protected by her protector till the end until he dies to her now doing to same for AJ. I see it more as a "Thank You" to Lee for giving her the chance to live and now she'll do the same for AJ as a rememberance to his teachings.
It would be a beautiful way to end the series and a nice send off to the fans that the little girl that they knew from Season 1 is now all grown up and has come a long way. Clem says goodbye to AJ as she's dying and then we see her getting greeted by Lee and Lee's greets her with a "Hey Sweet Pea" and the series ends off there.
Like just because she dies, that doesn't mean its a bad ending. It can be a beautiful, heartwarming ending depending on how she dies.
Like Lee got bit but still wanted to save Clem. Went throu… [view original content]
You're more than a little needy in "Feeling something", and sadness probably being the strongest emotion, it seems as if you're hinting that you're emotionally depraved to the point that sadness is all you can feel.
How could you have come to that conclusion based on
It really makes you feel, you know? maybe NOT sadness or anger, but you do feel something."
Maybe I'm more than a little needy in feeling something(shock, because that's all you really can feel in their games to be honest), as you put it, because their previous game didn't evoke any emotion at all, I don't know. When Marlon killed Brody, and then died when AJ shot him, I was completely shocked. I was so surprised by the fact they had both died and that AJ had killed someone, and I liked it. I like being shocked/surprised. Based on what the trailer showed us when Clementine asked AJ "Now what do you do when I get bit?", I was lead to believe that she could possibly die this season, hence my "her survivability will falter and crumble" comment. I don't think Telltale will kill her, but I'd love to see them prove me wrong.
If Clementine did die I think you would probably regret being so hot to get her killed off.
You have not witnessed my presence on this forum enough to think so
If you're not "attached" why would you claim you have the feeling of sadness when a character you're supposedly not "attached" to dies?
Wtf? When did I make such a claim?????
The influence you are trying to convey is definitely horrible story-wise and in a logical standpoint.
So for her to die, in the very last Walking Dead game her character will ever be in, would be horrible(story wise) and illogical because you think she's "iconic"? That's your opinion. I don't think there's anything iconic about her at all.
It sounds like you have a bit of a problem...not me. You're more than a little needy in "Feeling something", and sadness probably being the … morestrongest emotion, it seems as if you're hinting that you're emotionally depraved to the point that sadness is all you can feel. If Clementine did die I think you would probably regret being so hot to get her killed off.
Considering two people are presuming I'm "Attached" to a character I didn't even make besides what Telltale lets you make of her, I wouldn't give much warrant to that claim.
While people can become attached to moldable characters, it's rare. If you want to see people attached to characters look to the source. It's well known that Authors, Developers, etc. sometimes even resonate with their characters. I like Clem as a character, a lot. She's one of my favorites. Attached? Maybe a little due to her being a moldable and very likeable character. Other than that claiming I'm attached ha… [view original content]
Actually, the consensus is much different, I don't know where you got that. The consensus is that disorganized groups are dangerous, which is why Clem and AJ did better off with each other alone. When a group supersedes 4 or 5 people it usually ends badly unless they have a viable headquarters and they don't fuck with other groups like idiots. I can only assume you saw the option to say ""Whoever" ended up like all of them did" and completely ignored the opposite option. Those are story decisions, not a consensus. The consensus is made through what generally happens at the top, and at the top, people die because of groups. Considering how long Kenny, Clem, Javier, and everyone who lived up to season 4 survived, it doesn't make much sense to think that everyone ends up dead. Kenny basically died of old age and a car crash. I was surprised how old he looked in the end and it didn't really make much sense. A sickly old lady and an old man, Walt and Jean, survived 184 days in only to get shot by an unstable idiot who convinced another unstable idiot should tell you something. Not to mention all the Cancer survivors who stole Kenny's boat and probably resided in safety for the rest of their days.
I thought at this point that it was the general consensus of the series that nothing lasts forever and you always die. Don't you think aj w… moreould.die as a kid anyways? Even Clem, no one is indestructible in the series and luck runs out at some point. If she does survive it would to be latch onto a new group every so often.
Actually no, that's not an opinion. She's iconic, which is not determined solely through opinion but through influence and other factors.
And also, I didn't say the reason it's illogical to kill her off is because she's iconic alone, there are other reasons.
Lastly what you're feeling has to be one of few emotions, and I'm pretty sure that would be sadness and/or anger. If you felt happiness and/or amusement over the death of a character you "liked" I would be concerned.
You're more than a little needy in "Feeling something", and sadness probably being the strongest emotion, it seems as if you're hinting that… more you're emotionally depraved to the point that sadness is all you can feel.
How could you have come to that conclusion based on
It really makes you feel, you know? maybe NOT sadness or anger, but you do feel something."
Maybe I'm more than a little needy in feeling something(shock, because that's all you really can feel in their games to be honest), as you put it, because their previous game didn't evoke any emotion at all, I don't know. When Marlon killed Brody, and then died when AJ shot him, I was completely shocked. I was so surprised by the fact they had both died and that AJ had killed someone, and I liked it. I like being shocked/surprised. Based on what the trailer showed us when Clementine asked AJ "Now what do you do when I get bit?", I was lead to believe that she could po… [view original content]
Actually no, that's not an opinion. She's iconic, which is not determined solely through opinion but through influence and other factors.
… more And also, I didn't say the reason it's illogical to kill her off is because she's iconic alone, there are other reasons.
Lastly what you're feeling has to be one of few emotions, and I'm pretty sure that would be sadness and/or anger. If you felt happiness and/or amusement over the death of a character you "liked" I would be concerned.
Actually no, that's not an opinion. She's iconic
You don't even understand half of how wrong you are.
And also what you're fee… moreling has to be one of few emotions, and I'm pretty sure that would be sadness
You're actually going to tell me what I feel????????? All that can be said is "Lol".
If you felt happiness over death of a character you "liked" I would be concerned.
It's like you didn't even read anything I said
I didn't tell you what you felt. I said you could only feel one of few emotions. You could actually feel more than one emotion which is common, but like I said, that would most likely be anger and sadness at the death of a character you like unless you're weirder than I thought.
I read everything you wrote which is why I responded the way I did. You said it makes you feel "something" when a character you like dies. As I meant to say, there are only a select few emotions you can feel.
As for her being iconic, you can't argue with fact. Clementine is the face of Telltale games. I don't know why you insist on arguing something that's not solely individually determined as you think it is.
Actually no, that's not an opinion. She's iconic
You don't even understand half of how wrong you are.
And also what you're fee… moreling has to be one of few emotions, and I'm pretty sure that would be sadness
You're actually going to tell me what I feel????????? All that can be said is "Lol".
If you felt happiness over death of a character you "liked" I would be concerned.
It's like you didn't even read anything I said
Aw thank you You're a pretty cool guy yourself. And yeah, I probably am weirder than you think ???
As for her being iconic, you can't argue with fact. Clementine is the face of Telltale games. I don't know why you insist on arguing something that's not solely individually determined as you think it is
Tell me, what's the difference between a statement that's an opinion and a statement that is a fact? What makes one an opinion and the other a fact?
Also, if I asked everyone "is Clementine iconic?" they'd all tell me yes, because that's just as much of a fact as saying "an apple is a fruit"?
I didn't tell you what you felt. I said you could only feel one of few emotions. You could actually feel more than one emotion which is comm… moreon, but like I said, that would most likely be anger and sadness at the death of a character you like unless you're weirder than I thought.
I read everything you wrote which is why I responded the way I did. You said it makes you feel "something" when a character you like dies. As I meant to say, there are only a select few emotions you can feel.
As for her being iconic, you can't argue with fact. Clementine is the face of Telltale games. I don't know why you insist on arguing something that's not solely individually determined as you think it is.
You're seriously trying to argue opinion versus fact...
A fact is something determined not only by an individual but naturally and through whether or not it's generally true. It's something that's indisputably the case. Based on the influence that Clementine has had on Telltale and its community, and other factors such as marketing and media, Clementine can be factually descripted as iconic. The claim that she's not iconic is not based on fact.
An opinion is a view/belief which is not necessarily based on fact. You may say Clementine is not iconic, and that's your opinion, but it is a nil opinion as it is false by being based on the opposite of fact.
unless you're weirder than I thought.
Aw thank you You're a pretty cool guy yourself. And yeah, I probably am weirder than you thin… morek ???
As for her being iconic, you can't argue with fact. Clementine is the face of Telltale games. I don't know why you insist on arguing something that's not solely individually determined as you think it is
Tell me, what's the difference between a statement that's an opinion and a statement that is a fact? What makes one an opinion and the other a fact?
Also, if I asked everyone "is Clementine iconic?" they'd all tell me yes, because that's just as much of a fact as saying "an apple is a fruit"?
Now answer this, because you seemed to have ignored it the first time:
If you and I told everyone here on the forum "It is a fact that Clementine is an Icon.", would they all agree in the same way they would if we told them "An apple is a fruit"?
If Clementine being an icon is a fact and not an opinion, your answer to my question should be nothing other than "yes".
You're seriously trying to argue opinion versus fact...
A fact is something determined not only by an individual but naturally and throug… moreh whether or not it's generally true. It's something that's indisputably the case. Based on the influence that Clementine has had on Telltale and its community, and other factors such as marketing and media, Clementine can be factually descripted as iconic. The claim that she's not iconic is not based on fact.
An opinion is a view/belief which is not necessarily based on fact. You may say Clementine is not iconic, and that's your opinion, but it is a nil opinion as it is false by being based on the opposite of fact.
I'll explain once more: Public Icons are determined mainly by fame, popularity, frequency of appearance in media, and by Influence, not by individual opinion. I'm quite sure popular opinion would say Clem is iconic here, but that's only part of it. You can try to say Indiana Jones isn't an Iconic character as well, and you'd be just as wrong.
Facts are facts. Arguing against that will lead to something called an argumentative paradox, which means you will end up arguing with yourself. It's already proven through overwhelming and apparent evidence which is right in front of us that Clementine is an Iconic character, so why you're still arguing on this single point I seriously have no idea.
Now answer this, because you seemed to have ignored it the first time:
If you and I told everyone here on the forum "It is a fact that C… morelementine is an Icon.", would they all agree in the same way they would if we told them "An apple is a fruit"?
If Clementine being an icon is a fact and not an opinion, your answer to my question should be nothing other than "yes".
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Dang?. Well I mean I don't want her to die in the most gruesome, messed up way possible (although I wouldn't really mind it) but like Clementine has come a long way.
From a little girl getting protected by her protector till the end until he dies to her now doing to same for AJ. I see it more as a "Thank You" to Lee for giving her the chance to live and now she'll do the same for AJ as a rememberance to his teachings.
It would be a beautiful way to end the series and a nice send off to the fans that the little girl that they knew from Season 1 is now all grown up and has come a long way. Clem says goodbye to AJ as she's dying and then we see her getting greeted by Lee and Lee's greets her with a "Hey Sweet Pea" and the series ends off there.
Like just because she dies, that doesn't mean its a bad ending. It can be a beautiful, heartwarming ending depending on how she dies.
Like Lee got bit but still wanted to save Clem. Went through hell to try and save her and he did till thr very end. Yes it was sad but it wasn't a bad/horrible ending. It was a heartwreching, bittersweet ending because while Lee died, Clem still lived and while she did lose a lot of people and hope was gone, she gained hope back when she saw Christa and Omid in the distance giving her a hopeful expression.
People seem to forget that bittersweet endings can happen and in the TWD universe, people you either get a bittersweet ending or a sad ending. Happy endings don't always happen for everyone
Meh I like my Clementines alive.
I thought at this point that it was the general consensus of the series that nothing lasts forever and you always die. Don't you think aj would.die as a kid anyways? Even Clem, no one is indestructible in the series and luck runs out at some point. If she does survive it would to be latch onto a new group every so often.
Unless ttg was trolling us the whole point of this season is for Clementine to stop running and start building becoming a leader of a new community. Season 1 looking for Truth. Season 2 looking for a way to survive. Season 3 looking for a reason to live
Season 4. Looking for home.
Season 3 doesn't deserve acknowledgement.
What doesn't deserve acknowledgement???
Besides the biased flashbacks, gabentine to punish Jane supporters ( as if that kennysuckin writer didn't punish us enough with how she died), and Tripp forgetting we told him about Conrad i thought it was a good season.
My problem with season 3 is that , it adds literally nothing to the series. It felt like they made it for the hell of making a main series game.
Neither did Michonne..... Would you have enjoyed season 3 if there hadn't been a drop of Clementine it had all been the garcias story and the final season covered what happened between season 2 and season 4 instead?
The only happy ending is the one in which Louis survives.
If it was a Michonne style game, yes I would have.
This thread is focken glitchy. Had a perfect joke but the stupid switch forced me to edit it out ?
By Michonne style game what do you mean?
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Lol, I'm not just saying this just because I like Clem. I'm saying this because I like telltale games and the community. You're ignoring the point at which I said there's multiple things to take into account. As I said, I've seen this type of community mayhem where a minority of people speak up in support of decisions that are not good for a company at all. This is one of the times I've decided to intervene, probably my first.
And if you make the argument that she's just a fictional character, why are you yourself discussing it or even involving yourself? Illogical.
Disregard this comment. Thought this was a new thread
Coincidentally when one of my family members was in prison he'd watch the Walking Dead. He felt like the only people he liked in the prison were the characters on the Walking Dead. When one of the characters died he'd feel so angry he'd want to break stuff. He loves music and when Beth died it depressed him for days.
While Douglas Adams' logic is completely flawed in that case, I do agree with the rest of what you said.
Understood. I don't really care, just seemed like bad timing when I took the time to write all of that. Sorry if I sounded rude before.
Well I could have cited thanks Thor Kratos basically any character who seems unkillable but has been killed. Even if a character is immortal they've probably died because of a different writer. It may be retconned later but in the moment it's true.
Or to put it simply
Everyone dies everything dies. Doesn't mean it has to be a sad tragic or young death
Its cool
It sounds like you have a bit of a problem...not me. You're more than a little needy in "Feeling something", and sadness probably being the strongest emotion, it seems as if you're hinting that you're emotionally depraved to the point that sadness is all you can feel. If Clementine did die I think you would probably regret being so hot to get her killed off.
Considering two people are presuming I'm "Attached" to a character I didn't even make besides what Telltale lets you make of her, I wouldn't give much warrant to that claim.
While people can become attached to moldable characters, it's rare. If you want to see people attached to characters look to the source. It's well known that Authors, Developers, etc. sometimes even resonate with their characters. I like Clem as a character, a lot. She's one of my favorites. Attached? Maybe a little due to her being a moldable and very likeable character. Other than that claiming I'm attached has no affect on my points as they are not based mainly on me liking the character. They're based on what's good for the series and community besides the other things I covered. If you're not "attached" why would you claim you have the feeling of sadness when a character you're supposedly not "attached" to dies?
Also from a logical standpoint, it doesn't matter if you think otherwise.
Exactly. Some of the people talking against my points think I don't at least somewhat know what I'm talking about considering my background. I'm glad you looked at it from both a logical and heartfelt standpoint. That's rare. It would be horrible storytelling to just kill Clem off.
But it definitely would be bad storytelling, even if they made her death "meaningful and impactful". It seems pretty impossible that her death would be meaningful and impactful any way considering it's the final season and nothing comes after. One of the main points of raising a kid is staying alive for them, that's why Lee felt like he let Clem down by dying.
Also what you were imagining is literally the plot of Season 1. Implementing the Season 1 plot again would be the laziest act possible by the Developers, and if I know them they won't take that route, thankfully.
The issue is bittersweet endings, more often sad endings, happen almost all the time in TWD. So yeah, happy endings don't always happen, in fact they're rare. Most people have a better remembrance of a series if it has a happy ending, and are more inclined to rewatch or replay it.
It's like with Mass Effect. They realize they messed up the ending, and I got to it late, after when they tried to fix everything. It turned out the ending was Amazing for me. My Shepard managed to survive through my decisions. This makes me more likely to replay the series and think of it highly. I did claim once that it's one of the best digital entertainment mediums in history, as I will somewhat claim of the Walking Dead so far. But this series has much more to lose due to its nature. Having it have a horrible and depressing ending where the main character dies will end up like what happened with Mass Effect 3, I guarantee it. Not only is it bad storytelling, but a bad idea as a whole. What happened with Mass Effect 3 destroyed the community and had the staff in a frenzy.
Clementine should live. How the story would unfold in the magnificent case that she does live is up for speculation, but regardless, it's smart to have Clem survive in all cases.
Not in the main series aka Clem's story.
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How could you have come to that conclusion based on
Maybe I'm more than a little needy in feeling something(shock, because that's all you really can feel in their games to be honest), as you put it, because their previous game didn't evoke any emotion at all, I don't know. When Marlon killed Brody, and then died when AJ shot him, I was completely shocked. I was so surprised by the fact they had both died and that AJ had killed someone, and I liked it. I like being shocked/surprised. Based on what the trailer showed us when Clementine asked AJ "Now what do you do when I get bit?", I was lead to believe that she could possibly die this season, hence my "her survivability will falter and crumble" comment. I don't think Telltale will kill her, but I'd love to see them prove me wrong.
You have not witnessed my presence on this forum enough to think so
Wtf? When did I make such a claim?????
So for her to die, in the very last Walking Dead game her character will ever be in, would be horrible(story wise) and illogical because you think she's "iconic"? That's your opinion. I don't think there's anything iconic about her at all.
Actually, the consensus is much different, I don't know where you got that. The consensus is that disorganized groups are dangerous, which is why Clem and AJ did better off with each other alone. When a group supersedes 4 or 5 people it usually ends badly unless they have a viable headquarters and they don't fuck with other groups like idiots. I can only assume you saw the option to say ""Whoever" ended up like all of them did" and completely ignored the opposite option. Those are story decisions, not a consensus. The consensus is made through what generally happens at the top, and at the top, people die because of groups. Considering how long Kenny, Clem, Javier, and everyone who lived up to season 4 survived, it doesn't make much sense to think that everyone ends up dead. Kenny basically died of old age and a car crash. I was surprised how old he looked in the end and it didn't really make much sense. A sickly old lady and an old man, Walt and Jean, survived 184 days in only to get shot by an unstable idiot who convinced another unstable idiot should tell you something. Not to mention all the Cancer survivors who stole Kenny's boat and probably resided in safety for the rest of their days.
Actually no, that's not an opinion. She's iconic, which is not determined solely through opinion but through influence and other factors.
And also, I didn't say the reason it's illogical to kill her off is because she's iconic alone, there are other reasons.
Lastly what you're feeling has to be one of few emotions, and I'm pretty sure that would be sadness and/or anger. If you felt happiness and/or amusement over the death of a character you "liked" I would be concerned.
You don't even understand half of how wrong you are.
You're actually going to tell me what I feel????????? All that can be said is "Lol".
It's like you didn't even read anything I said
It’s getting spicy in here...
Oh please, we all know you don't feel anything Dex
I didn't tell you what you felt. I said you could only feel one of few emotions. You could actually feel more than one emotion which is common, but like I said, that would most likely be anger and sadness at the death of a character you like unless you're weirder than I thought.
I read everything you wrote which is why I responded the way I did. You said it makes you feel "something" when a character you like dies. As I meant to say, there are only a select few emotions you can feel.
As for her being iconic, you can't argue with fact. Clementine is the face of Telltale games. I don't know why you insist on arguing something that's not solely individually determined as you think it is.
Aw thank you
You're a pretty cool guy yourself. And yeah, I probably am weirder than you think ???
Tell me, what's the difference between a statement that's an opinion and a statement that is a fact? What makes one an opinion and the other a fact?
Also, if I asked everyone "is Clementine iconic?" they'd all tell me yes, because that's just as much of a fact as saying "an apple is a fruit"?
Fine, you got me
You're seriously trying to argue opinion versus fact...
A fact is something determined not only by an individual but naturally and through whether or not it's generally true. It's something that's indisputably the case. Based on the influence that Clementine has had on Telltale and its community, and other factors such as marketing and media, Clementine can be factually descripted as iconic. The claim that she's not iconic is not based on fact.
An opinion is a view/belief which is not necessarily based on fact. You may say Clementine is not iconic, and that's your opinion, but it is a nil opinion as it is false by being based on the opposite of fact.
Now answer this, because you seemed to have ignored it the first time:
If you and I told everyone here on the forum "It is a fact that Clementine is an Icon.", would they all agree in the same way they would if we told them "An apple is a fruit"?
If Clementine being an icon is a fact and not an opinion, your answer to my question should be nothing other than "yes".
Actually, that's not how it works.
I'll explain once more: Public Icons are determined mainly by fame, popularity, frequency of appearance in media, and by Influence, not by individual opinion. I'm quite sure popular opinion would say Clem is iconic here, but that's only part of it. You can try to say Indiana Jones isn't an Iconic character as well, and you'd be just as wrong.
Facts are facts. Arguing against that will lead to something called an argumentative paradox, which means you will end up arguing with yourself. It's already proven through overwhelming and apparent evidence which is right in front of us that Clementine is an Iconic character, so why you're still arguing on this single point I seriously have no idea.
Yes. I don't necessarily want to her live in that happy ending, but I do want it to be happy for her.