...well. you have a right to your opinion even if it's the wrong one. do y'all just not understand that she was literally mentally ill? she suffered a trauma and then she had a mental breakdown, of course that's gonna make her act irrational and unstable.
Care to explain why you think my opinion is wrong and yours is right? Do you know how many characters suffered trauma? Rick Grimes, Abraham Ford, Maggie Greene and many others from the comics(not the shitty TV series) set in the same world suffered more than Lilly has but they can refrain themselves from murdering someone from their group for no reason ad robbing their own group and leaving them stranded. Are you gonna say comic Governor is mentally ill? he too suffered trauma and had a mental breakdown but that isn't gonna take away the fact that he's an evil man just like it ain't gonna take away the fact that Lilly is an unstable loose-canon backstabber. How far can grief be taken up to the point where an innocent person had to die?
we know from the interactions we had with her when she was clear-headed that she was an individual that valued justice and selflessness, but she wasn't perfect. she was against stealing food from the stranger's car and she also acts appalled if you let the woman at the beginning of ep 3 act as distraction for the walkers.
You forget Lilly herself was willing to let Lee, Clem & Kenny's family be eaten in Episode 1 and got angry with Lee, Kenny & Mark from bringing back Ben & Travis/Mr Parker and not to mention she stole herself. She was a hypocrite.
...well. you have a right to your opinion even if it's the wrong one. do y'all just not understand that she was literally mentally ill? she … moresuffered a trauma and then she had a mental breakdown, of course that's gonna make her act irrational and unstable. we know from the interactions we had with her when she was clear-headed that she was an individual that valued justice and selflessness, but she wasn't perfect. she was against stealing food from the stranger's car and she also acts appalled if you let the woman at the beginning of ep 3 act as distraction for the walkers.
True, true. I only hope that Lily hasn’t become a mass murdering, baby-stabbing freak since the last time we met. It’ll be fun to see how Clementine can choose to react to her reappearance, where the game doesn’t outright tell you to hate her.
the opinion thing was more of a joke than a serious statement lol.
i'm not saying what lilly did was right or that she hasn't done immoral things, because she has. she's a character with flaws, which is what makes her intriguing to me. however, i don't think it's that fair to compare different characters' reactions to a traumatic event and then judge them based on that comparison. all of them went through very different situations and people respond differently to trauma.
You forget Lilly herself was willing to let Lee, Clem & Kenny's family be eaten in Episode 1 and and got angry with Lee, Kenny & Mark from bringing back Ben & Travis/Mr Parker
all of that was done in order to protect her group. i don't necessarily agree with it, but i get her thought process.
not to mention she stole herself.
she was in a mentally unstable condition when she did that. but yes, she has done hypocritical things. most people have.
...well. you have a right to your opinion even if it's the wrong one. do y'all just not understand that she was literally mentally ill? she … moresuffered a trauma and then she had a mental breakdown, of course that's gonna make her act irrational and unstable.
Care to explain why you think my opinion is wrong and yours is right? Do you know how many characters suffered trauma? Rick Grimes, Abraham Ford, Maggie Greene and many others from the comics(not the shitty TV series) set in the same world suffered more than Lilly has but they can refrain themselves from murdering someone from their group for no reason ad robbing their own group and leaving them stranded. Are you gonna say comic Governor is mentally ill? he too suffered trauma and had a mental breakdown but that isn't gonna take away the fact that he's an evil man just like it ain't gonna take away the fact that Lilly is an unstable loose-canon backstabber. How far can grief be taken… [view original content]
i'm not saying what lilly did was right or that she hasn't done immoral things, because she has. she's a character with flaws, which is what makes her intriguing to me. however, i don't think it's that fair to compare different characters' reactions to a traumatic event and then judge them based on that comparison. all of them went through very different situations and people respond differently to trauma.
Well isn't fair to bring up her trauma as a defense for her actions. Others characters did go through different situations but they lost more.
all of that was done in order to protect her group. i don't necessarily agree with it, but i get her thought process.
Protect herself more like.
she was in a mentally unstable condition when she did that. but yes, she has done hypocritical things. most people have.
She seems to know what she was doing, even if she was "mentally unstable" it doesn't take away that she's a dangerous lunatic who acts like she's a decent person when in fact she's a lot worse than the people she criticises.
PS. Like I said to TripleKillionare, it's pointless discussing this now since Telltale is shutting down and most likely this board will be going too.
the opinion thing was more of a joke than a serious statement lol.
i'm not saying what lilly did was right or that she hasn't done immoral… more things, because she has. she's a character with flaws, which is what makes her intriguing to me. however, i don't think it's that fair to compare different characters' reactions to a traumatic event and then judge them based on that comparison. all of them went through very different situations and people respond differently to trauma.
You forget Lilly herself was willing to let Lee, Clem & Kenny's family be eaten in Episode 1 and and got angry with Lee, Kenny & Mark from bringing back Ben & Travis/Mr Parker
all of that was done in order to protect her group. i don't necessarily agree with it, but i get her thought process.
not to mention she stole herself.
she was in a mentally unstable condition when she did that. but yes, she has done hypocritical things. most people have.
I feel sorry for Lily fans. Regardless of their loyalty to her, Lily still kills an innocent ally and if you forgive her, she steals the RV and contemplates killing Lee.
I feel sorry for Lily fans. Regardless of their loyalty to her, Lily still kills an innocent ally and if you forgive her, she steals the RV and contemplates killing Lee.
But she didn’t kill lee, that was the point. She could have but she had recomposed herself to not give in to her desires.
She didn't have a gun to kill you and she still robs you.
Even tho a lot of this is tue she hesitated trying to kill Clementine, I know deep down in her empty heart she cares for Clementine but not for the right reasons,I was so pissed on her actions in season one...but I’m passed that and hope she reddens herself...it’s never to late .
Even tho a lot of this is tue she hesitated trying to kill Clementine, I know deep down in her empty heart she cares for Clementine but no… moret for the right reasons,I was so pissed on her actions in season one...but I’m passed that and hope she reddens herself...it’s never to late .
I said this before about her hesitation and I'll continue saying it, it means nothing when you look at what she did, she tries to kill Clem multiple times, attacked the school, killed Mitch, taunted Clem by bringing up Lee and left the rest of the children to the fate of walkers that entered the grounds because of the attack and you and many others overlook this because of her hesitating? even with her hesitating, she'll still pull the trigger if you weren't nice and this doesn't justify her shooting dead an unarmed teenage girl just because of an attitude. Whatever care she had for Clem is long gone, her redemption would just be just forced.
Even tho a lot of this is tue she hesitated trying to kill Clementine, I know deep down in her empty heart she cares for Clementine but no… moret for the right reasons,I was so pissed on her actions in season one...but I’m passed that and hope she reddens herself...it’s never to late .
Yeah, prior to things going completely wrong for the group, Lily was indeed a good character that could be called bitch in part because she actually good reasons to be that way.
Which is exactly why TFS brought her back the way it did, so she could be incredibly slackly written in an episode that's already kinda half-handed and have her positives stripped away instead.
@Dex-Starr Lily cared about everyone until they tried to throw her under the bus over some stupid biatch.
That stupid biatch (I presume you mean Carley) saved your life but then again, based on your arguments, saving your life is a bad thing and an attempted murder on you is a good thing. Besides, not once in your arguments have you ever given reason that actually makes sense that she cared for the group.
That stupid biatch (I presume you mean Carley) saved your life
She did one good thing. I'm supposed to defend her with my life?
Besides, not once in your arguments have you ever given reason that actually makes sense that she cared for the group.
She tried getting rid of the rat in the group that was threatening everyone's survival.
Quick question. Why are you in every thread that's pro-Lily/pro-Jane, trying to tell people they're wrong for having their opinions I don't enter threads about characters I don't like, but that's just me
That stupid biatch (I presume you mean Carley) saved your life but then again, based on your arguments, saving your life is a bad thing and … morean attempted murder on you is a good thing. Besides, not once in your arguments have you ever given reason that actually makes sense that she cared for the group.
Which is exactly why TFS brought her back the way it did, so she could be incredibly slackly written in an episode that's already kinda half-handed and have her positives stripped away instead.
Would you have accepted if TFS brought her back as a Mother Therese type character? because Lilly is your favorite character, you can't accept that she's a villain because 6 years of her fanbase defending her comes to a halt because TT confirmed what her haters have been saying.
Yeah, prior to things going completely wrong for the group, Lily was indeed a good character that could be called bitch in part because she … moreactually good reasons to be that way.
Which is exactly why TFS brought her back the way it did, so she could be incredibly slackly written in an episode that's already kinda half-handed and have her positives stripped away instead.
@Dex-Starr Lily cared about everyone until they tried to throw her under the bus over some stupid biatch.
...I mean, you're not wrong.
...I don't actually know who that is, but I'm gonna say no for the sake of it.
Also, buzz off a bit, will ya? You've been incredibly condescending, lumping, and dogmatic everytime I'm seen of you.
TT confirmed what her haters have been saying.
They didn't confirm anything beyond the predictions that she might come back in an antagonistic role.
Which was increasingly obvious given the original concept and Telltale's own favoritism tendencies.
Which is exactly why TFS brought her back the way it did, so she could be incredibly slackly written in an episode that's already kinda half… more-handed and have her positives stripped away instead.
Would you have accepted if TFS brought her back as a Mother Therese type character? because Lilly is your favorite character, you can't accept that she's a villain because 6 years of her fanbase defending her comes to a halt because TT confirmed what her haters have been saying.
Which is exactly why TFS brought her back the way it did, so she could be incredibly slackly written in an episode that's already kinda half… more-handed and have her positives stripped away instead.
Would you have accepted if TFS brought her back as a Mother Therese type character? because Lilly is your favorite character, you can't accept that she's a villain because 6 years of her fanbase defending her comes to a halt because TT confirmed what her haters have been saying.
Also, buzz off a bit, will ya? You've been incredibly condescending, lumping, and dogmatic everytime I'm seen of you.
Look man, I mean no offense, you replied to me.
They didn't confirm anything beyond the predictions that she might come back in an antagonistic role.
Which was increasingly obvious given the original concept and Telltale's own favoritism tendencies.
The last 6 years, Lilly haters have been saying that she's a selfish bitch that gives a shit about no one, Lilly fans said otherwise. TT confirmed the type of person she is in STC. Their not playing favoritism, it's how they wrote her in the first season.
Don't bother with him there.
I'm half sure that's not even it.
You're acting like I'm causing trouble, all I'm doing is voicing my opinion on a character you like.
...I don't actually know who that is, but I'm gonna say no for the sake of it.
Also, buzz off a bit, will ya? You've been incredibly cond… moreescending, lumping, and dogmatic everytime I'm seen of you.
TT confirmed what her haters have been saying.
They didn't confirm anything beyond the predictions that she might come back in an antagonistic role.
Which was increasingly obvious given the original concept and Telltale's own favoritism tendencies.
I had to go back up and doublecheck to make sure you weren't confusing and yeah, you were.
The last 6 years, Lilly haters have been saying that she's a selfish bitch that gives a shit about no one, Lilly fans said otherwise.
And they were indeed wrong.
And depending on how this game plays out, they're still wrong, albeit more deeply.
TT confirmed the type of person she became in STC.
Fixed.
I wasn't gonna say much, but since you insist on acting this way, I might as well spell out and then dispel the so called "politics here."
That mindset is no better than the Kenny fans who pretend he doesn't do anything wrong OR the haters who act like his behavior wasn't the gradual product of a desire to do good things.
In fact, it's considerably worse, because at least most Kenny fans/haters are willing to acknowledge his extremes/intentions.
Their not playing favoritism, it's how they wrote her in the first season.
Their favoritism refers to a number of trends in the writing and storytelling over the course of the series, particular in Season 2 and to an extent A New Frontier.
Also, buzz off a bit, will ya? You've been incredibly condescending, lumping, and dogmatic everytime I'm seen of you.
Look man, I m… moreean no offense, you replied to me.
They didn't confirm anything beyond the predictions that she might come back in an antagonistic role.
Which was increasingly obvious given the original concept and Telltale's own favoritism tendencies.
The last 6 years, Lilly haters have been saying that she's a selfish bitch that gives a shit about no one, Lilly fans said otherwise. TT confirmed the type of person she is in STC. Their not playing favoritism, it's how they wrote her in the first season.
Don't bother with him there.
I'm half sure that's not even it.
You're acting like I'm causing trouble, all I'm doing is voicing my opinion on a character you like.
I had to go back up and doublecheck to make sure you weren't confusing and yeah, you were.
So you never replied to me in other threads? did I tell you to buzz off when you did?
And they were indeed wrong.
And depending on how this game plays out, they're still wrong, albeit more deeply.
Who was wrong? the fans? the haters? or Telltale themselves for writing her the way you're against?
I assume you're talking about the haters, how are they wrong? and more importantly, how are you and her fanbase right?
Fixed.
I wasn't gonna say much, but since you insist on acting this way, I might as well spell out and then dispel the so called "politics here."
That mindset is no better than the Kenny fans who pretend he doesn't do anything wrong OR the haters who act like his behavior wasn't the gradual product of a desire to do good things.
In fact, it's considerably worse, because at least most Kenny fans/haters are willing to acknowledge his extremes/intentions.
Are you talking about Telltales mindset? where are you going with this?
Their favoritism refers to a number of trends in the writing and storytelling over the course of the series, particular in Season 2 and to an extent A New Frontier.
Look man, I mean no offense, you replied to me.
I had to go back up and doublecheck to make sure you weren't confusing and yeah, you… more were.
The last 6 years, Lilly haters have been saying that she's a selfish bitch that gives a shit about no one, Lilly fans said otherwise.
And they were indeed wrong.
And depending on how this game plays out, they're still wrong, albeit more deeply.
TT confirmed the type of person she became in STC.
Fixed.
I wasn't gonna say much, but since you insist on acting this way, I might as well spell out and then dispel the so called "politics here."
That mindset is no better than the Kenny fans who pretend he doesn't do anything wrong OR the haters who act like his behavior wasn't the gradual product of a desire to do good things.
In fact, it's considerably worse, because at least most Kenny fans/haters are willing to acknowledge his extremes/intentions.
Their not playin… [view original content]
I was generally talking about how you need to ease up a bit and maybe branch out from this general shtick revolving around Lily and especially anyone who says something about her.
I had to go back up and doublecheck to make sure you weren't confusing and yeah, you were.
So you never replied to me in other threa… moreds? did I tell you to buzz off when you did?
And they were indeed wrong.
And depending on how this game plays out, they're still wrong, albeit more deeply.
Who was wrong? the fans? the haters? or Telltale themselves for writing her the way you're against?
I assume you're talking about the haters, how are they wrong? and more importantly, how are you and her fanbase right?
Fixed.
I wasn't gonna say much, but since you insist on acting this way, I might as well spell out and then dispel the so called "politics here."
That mindset is no better than the Kenny fans who pretend he doesn't do anything wrong OR the haters who act like his behavior wasn't the gradual product of a desire to do good things.
In fact, it's considerably worse, because at least most Kenny fans/haters… [view original content]
I'm just voicing my opinion, that's all. I'm not picking fights with anyone, I'm not attacking anyone for having a different view, I'm certainly not here to start trouble.
I was generally talking about how you need to ease up a bit and maybe branch out from this general shtick revolving around Lily and especially anyone who says something about her.
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Care to explain why you think my opinion is wrong and yours is right? Do you know how many characters suffered trauma? Rick Grimes, Abraham Ford, Maggie Greene and many others from the comics(not the shitty TV series) set in the same world suffered more than Lilly has but they can refrain themselves from murdering someone from their group for no reason ad robbing their own group and leaving them stranded. Are you gonna say comic Governor is mentally ill? he too suffered trauma and had a mental breakdown but that isn't gonna take away the fact that he's an evil man just like it ain't gonna take away the fact that Lilly is an unstable loose-canon backstabber. How far can grief be taken up to the point where an innocent person had to die?
You forget Lilly herself was willing to let Lee, Clem & Kenny's family be eaten in Episode 1 and got angry with Lee, Kenny & Mark from bringing back Ben & Travis/Mr Parker and not to mention she stole herself. She was a hypocrite.
Even if she is, it'd be no surprise and it feels pointless now discussing this since TT is shutting down and we might not get 3 & 4
Normally I hate leaks, I still do, but given the circumstances I just want everything about E3 and E4 to come out if they won’t bother finishing them.
the opinion thing was more of a joke than a serious statement lol.
i'm not saying what lilly did was right or that she hasn't done immoral things, because she has. she's a character with flaws, which is what makes her intriguing to me. however, i don't think it's that fair to compare different characters' reactions to a traumatic event and then judge them based on that comparison. all of them went through very different situations and people respond differently to trauma.
all of that was done in order to protect her group. i don't necessarily agree with it, but i get her thought process.
she was in a mentally unstable condition when she did that. but yes, she has done hypocritical things. most people have.
Well isn't fair to bring up her trauma as a defense for her actions. Others characters did go through different situations but they lost more.
Protect herself more like.
She seems to know what she was doing, even if she was "mentally unstable" it doesn't take away that she's a dangerous lunatic who acts like she's a decent person when in fact she's a lot worse than the people she criticises.
PS. Like I said to TripleKillionare, it's pointless discussing this now since Telltale is shutting down and most likely this board will be going too.
I feel sorry for Lily fans. Regardless of their loyalty to her, Lily still kills an innocent ally and if you forgive her, she steals the RV and contemplates killing Lee.
But she didn’t kill lee, that was the point. She could have but she had recomposed herself to not give in to her desires.
That is true, but the fact she had the thought despite Lee's loyalty is quite telling of Lily.
She only wants to kill you if you helped Kenny kill her dad, that’s not representative of his loyalty at all.
She didn't have a gun to kill you and she still robs you.
This is true. After Suffer the Children I now have to agree that she is an asshole who needs to die.
Finally
Finally, someone sums up Lilly perfectly. If Season 1 didn't show it, I'm sure Suffer the Children clarifies what a selfish bitch Lilly really is.
Even tho a lot of this is tue she hesitated trying to kill Clementine, I know deep down in her empty heart she cares for Clementine but not for the right reasons,I was so pissed on her actions in season one...but I’m passed that and hope she reddens herself...it’s never to late .
3 out of 4 of clems dialogue options in that moment prompts lilly to squeeze the trigger. Lilly hesitated but she was still going to kill clementine.
Lilly is nice
Lilly shoots at you from a distance
She's gone through a lot
Lilly SHOUTS: YOU HAVE TO DIE
She's just misunderstood
She does care for Clementine. BUT she said it herself "Us or them" meaning if you aren't on her side, she'll kill you.
If she touches Louis, Violet, or Tenn she's dead as fuck.
I said this before about her hesitation and I'll continue saying it, it means nothing when you look at what she did, she tries to kill Clem multiple times, attacked the school, killed Mitch, taunted Clem by bringing up Lee and left the rest of the children to the fate of walkers that entered the grounds because of the attack and you and many others overlook this because of her hesitating? even with her hesitating, she'll still pull the trigger if you weren't nice and this doesn't justify her shooting dead an unarmed teenage girl just because of an attitude. Whatever care she had for Clem is long gone, her redemption would just be just forced.
Lily cared about everyone until they tried to throw her under the bus over some stupid biatch.
“Lilly is a bitch” yeah but that’s what makes her character good
*Lily slits the throat a newborn baby
"SHE HAD A TOUGH LIFE, SHE CAN BE REDEEMED!"
Lily fans are about to be worse than Kenny cultists, which I never thought was possible.
Yeah, prior to things going completely wrong for the group, Lily was indeed a good character that could be called bitch in part because she actually good reasons to be that way.
Which is exactly why TFS brought her back the way it did, so she could be incredibly slackly written in an episode that's already kinda half-handed and have her positives stripped away instead.
...I mean, you're not wrong.
That stupid biatch (I presume you mean Carley) saved your life but then again, based on your arguments, saving your life is a bad thing and an attempted murder on you is a good thing. Besides, not once in your arguments have you ever given reason that actually makes sense that she cared for the group.
If by good character you mean a good villain then yes, other than that, she's nowhere near a good person.
She did one good thing. I'm supposed to defend her with my life?
She tried getting rid of the rat in the group that was threatening everyone's survival.
I don't enter threads about characters I don't like, but that's just me
Quick question. Why are you in every thread that's pro-Lily/pro-Jane, trying to tell people they're wrong for having their opinions
Would you have accepted if TFS brought her back as a Mother Therese type character? because Lilly is your favorite character, you can't accept that she's a villain because 6 years of her fanbase defending her comes to a halt because TT confirmed what her haters have been saying.
...I don't actually know who that is, but I'm gonna say no for the sake of it.
Also, buzz off a bit, will ya? You've been incredibly condescending, lumping, and dogmatic everytime I'm seen of you.
They didn't confirm anything beyond the predictions that she might come back in an antagonistic role.
Which was increasingly obvious given the original concept and Telltale's own favoritism tendencies.
I, along with many other players, shot Kenny and let him die while freezing in the snow storm. I killed him. He's dead.
Don't bother with him there.
I'm half sure that's not even it.
OK, so? you think I'd be upset by that? why would I be? that is your choice, I already knew you did that because you mentioned it before.
The last 6 years, Lilly haters have been saying that she's a selfish bitch that gives a shit about no one, Lilly fans said otherwise. TT confirmed the type of person she is in STC. Their not playing favoritism, it's how they wrote her in the first season.
Yeah I was kinda hoping you would
I had to go back up and doublecheck to make sure you weren't confusing and yeah, you were.
And they were indeed wrong.
And depending on how this game plays out, they're still wrong, albeit more deeply.
Fixed.
I wasn't gonna say much, but since you insist on acting this way, I might as well spell out and then dispel the so called "politics here."
That mindset is no better than the Kenny fans who pretend he doesn't do anything wrong OR the haters who act like his behavior wasn't the gradual product of a desire to do good things.
In fact, it's considerably worse, because at least most Kenny fans/haters are willing to acknowledge his extremes/intentions.
Their favoritism refers to a number of trends in the writing and storytelling over the course of the series, particular in Season 2 and to an extent A New Frontier.
Because you have nothing else to say.
So you never replied to me in other threads? did I tell you to buzz off when you did?
Who was wrong? the fans? the haters? or Telltale themselves for writing her the way you're against?
I assume you're talking about the haters, how are they wrong? and more importantly, how are you and her fanbase right?
Are you talking about Telltales mindset? where are you going with this?
Getting way off topic here.
I was generally talking about how you need to ease up a bit and maybe branch out from this general shtick revolving around Lily and especially anyone who says something about her.
here we go again
I'm just voicing my opinion, that's all. I'm not picking fights with anyone, I'm not attacking anyone for having a different view, I'm certainly not here to start trouble.
Lily obviously cares about Clementine or at least is conflicted since she could've easily had killed Clementine just as she did Mitch.