Clem's reaction and dialogue with Lilly was disappointing
I don't know if you felt the same way, but honestly, Clem didn't really seem to give a fuck(even if you don't choose I don't care option). She just says "Lilly? I remember you. I thought you died." and that's kinda it, she didn't seem to be that surprised since she then didn't really talk much. And then when Lilly said "Lee isn't with you", Clem is silent implying he's dead, "So he's dead then." - and then proceeds to talk about the RV/leaving behind thing. And that's it? Like seriously Clem didn't even explain what exactly happened to him or anything. The fact that Lee has been brought up so much throughout s2,s3 and s4 and the fact that Lilly was important in their journey and it's been so long, I expected a bigger reaction and more explanation from Clem.
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Lol,no idea where you heard that,the only leaks we knew about lilly was these relationship pictures at the end of EP2.
There were leaks about Lilly crying but not while hugging Clem.
No there wasn't any leaks about lilly crying or lilly hugging someone what are you talking about lmao
There were audio files of Lilly crying
There were no leaks with Lilly hugging Clem, but there were audio files of Lilly crying.
Considering the fact that she just had her boot on her neck and Abel threatened to harm AJ, it seemed fitting that their reunion was just a passing moment. Their reunion was exactly what I expected and wanted.
But yeah,that reunion was kinda disappointing.
I'm still waiting for a scene when we can just sit down and talk with Lilly,or something like that.
I hope we get that in episode 3.
Guys, this could potentially be stuff that happens in later episodes. I'm not going to flag any of you, but I'd advise you remove those leaks before mods find out.
yeah but Lilly didn't know who she stepped on, and when she saw it was Clem she immediately offered to help her get up, while Abel let go of AJ.
"I don't give a fuck who you are, you evil BITCH!"
Nah, it was perfect.
Clementine was fearing for her and AJ’s life, while Lilly was clearly in a time crunch. Then again, lilly came back after 2 whole weeks, so I have no idea why Abel made their reunion so rushed.
Given the circumstances of their encounter, I don’t expect either character to start bawling and embracing each other.
If Lilly showed up on her own at the school hungry and desperate, then that would have been more fitting, but it is what it is.
On another note, the school group and romances were nowhere near as interesting as seeing lilly again, meeting a whisperer, and finding out about the ranch. Coincidentally, all 3 of these aspects were really lacking. Especially considering how the ranch is still an absolute mystery.
Clem barely remembers her, she wasn't that important in Clem's life.
Why bother explaining what happened to Lee ? Lilly figured it out: he died protecting Clem.
I think it was ok
She didn't have to know. She took down 2 children in the hopes of capturing more, plus all the grief they previously caused the school. She could've dusted her off, kissed her on the cheek and said how much she missed her, the fact is, that's not someone Clem would want to align herself with, knowing the person she's become. Plus, Lilly made it really clear she's not out to make friends (not yet anyway. If she has a redemption arc, I'm taking it) with Clem. She's there with a goal in mind and wasn't gonna let Clem say no.
I expected a [Hug Lily] option.?
This is exactly how I felt. I was worried they would choose to take a more fanservice and safe kind of way, you know, to keep the fans happy and not diverge to much from their expectations. But i'm glad they rather chose a more realistic, grounded and authentic route.
What I love the most about S4 Lilly is, that she has a new group and that that group is her priority, because this is where she's been for - presumably - years. She was a leader in S1 and she is a leader now. That's why I loved the scene, because there definetly is history between Lilly and Clementine, but both characters have something going on that is more important for both of them, than their history together. Lilly has her group, the Delta, and Clem has AJ.
And just because they've been in the same group for, like, three months, doesn't mean they have some sort of bonding for life. Especially after what Lilly did to Doug/Carley. That would be just absurd. Lilly is no heartless monster, either, which you can see at the end of Suffer the Children, where she points her rifle at Clementine, but can't just pull the trigger. It's not just black & white.
Both characters just followed their respective paths over the years.
Lilly continued to be the kind of leader she was in S1, only to be much more militaristic now.
Clementine followed Lee's footsteps to the point where she is in the same situation as he was in S1, but she also surpasses him by becoming much more of a survivalist of her own.
The difference now is, that they're on different sides of a war.
There's just this raw-ness in the interactions between Clementine and Lilly, that makes this "reunion" much more interesting than just repeating what they did with Kenny in S2.
Both know exactly what the other has become.
Wish I could like this 100 times. Everything you just said hit the nail on how I feel about Lilly, her relationship with Clem at this moment and their reunion. Couldn’t have possibly said it any better myself.
After what Lilly did in Season1, you didn't expect there to be a friendly reunion between the two.
Im hoping we get a chance to talk to her in a more "one on one" catching up kind of way. I did find her inclusion a bit disappointing simply because she isnt explained that much and Im a bit worried they are just using Lilly as an excuse for why the antagonist group isnt that developed by just throwing her in because she was developed in Season 1, and just using her to cover how undeveloped the Delta is.
I'd also like to add that Lilly seems to be the kind of person, who cares more about the group - as a construct - than the individuals inside that group. The way she just takes people and children away to force them to fight for her group shows that.
She'd feel right at home at Telltale's upper management.
I loved the moment because I hate the bitch with every fiber of my being. I told her "I don't give a fuck who you are you evil bitch" and she got shot with the arrow tupac style by Violet. I hope we can kill her.
That scene is kinda lame in general.
Yeah, it was pretty awful and kinda makes you question what the whole point of bringing Lilly back is. It seems like the devs just completely forgot that there was more than one way your relationship with Lilly develops in S1. Or that she had many other layers to her other than being a "mean bitch!!!", as did most of the S1 characters.
They seem to go off on the assumption that every player had a horrible relationship with Lilly, that every Lee out there was a rival to her, which is simply not true. You can develop a very genuine friendship with Lilly, she will rely on you and respect you if you do, when giving out supplies when you take her side, on the dairy expressing her mistrust for the St. Johns and finally when investigating the mole right... this, of course, before she goes loony.
Perhaps the most insulting part of all this is that the meat locker just... simply isn't acknowledged. It's just not ok to me that Lilly has so little regard or care for Lee considering what he did for her there. That's she'll shoot at the surrogate daughter of the man who did that for her without blinking an eye. Yes, it's been eight years, but the death of a parent isn't forgotten in a century much less in eight fucking years.
But the writers diminished all this to a single line on how "Lee was too trusting" because Lilly now is a cynic because who the fuck knows why. It's just disheartening that they bring her back just to turn her into this borderline one dimensional antagonist and make the character's past with Clem just a really dumbed down side-note to be disregarded. This also applies if your Lee helps kill Larry. It's just not right that she's so dismissive of Lee, who's either one of the men who killed her dad in front of her or the man who tried to save him during his final moments.
Also give me a fucking break. "I was never sure if he stole you or saved you" has to be one of the most ridiculous lines on the whole series. Lilly asks Lee about who he is to Clem on the drugstore hub. Literally one of the very first interactions you have with her is clearing that out. Not to mention the 3 months+ she spends with them. It's just such a joke that they felt adding that in made any sense.
We didn't know much about Clem and Lilly's relationship, but we do see her approaching Clem while she's drawing and we know that she gave her the hair thingies, so you know, we can assume that she was nice to Clem before the disaster with Carley. I do think that Clem not trusting Lilly and thinking she's horrible works IF you justify it with what she last saw Lilly doing (murdering Carley). That line about how Larry was a racist and whatnot? Ridiculous. It was just not right coming from Clem, who was eight at the time.
And I do agree that Clem also comes off as too uncaring about Lilly. Lilly is one of the people who reminds her of her time with Lee, yet she seems pretty much either angry or emotionless towards her. When I clicked "We were family once." I was expecting Clem to ask how Lilly could be considering executing her after all they went through together. You know, some emotion towards what Lilly is doing to her. Some feeling of being betrayed. God, I'll take anything. Instead Clem goes completely emotionless and the line is in fact Clem using Lilly's feelings toward her to get the upper hand. No actual emotion coming from Clem herself. It's just unsatisfying and I'm definitely not comfortable with the range of approaches we are getting to interact with Lilly.
And no, before anyone asks, I'm definitely not asking for Clem and Lilly to happily hug and be friends! I'm ok with Lilly being an antagonist and I believe that what she did to Carley in front of Clem still haunts our little girl's dreams and that that trauma should not be ignored. I'm just advocating that some lingering affection Clem might've had for Lilly being expressed in the slightest way would be extremely appreciated. Or at least the option to express it.
Fans are way more emotionally invested in Lilly than Clem and Lilly ever were to each other
Now if Clem and Christa reunited, I'd expect it to be a bigger deal
...You're not wrong.
It's really worrying that they only have 2 more episodes to develop this whole Delta vs another community thing, a year long war, if not longer, and give it a resolution, all while also completing the now mini war the school has going on with them AND finishing off Clem and AJ's story in a satisfying way. So far the whole season plot is sustained by 1 (one) single line by James. The pacing and actual plot development in this season is just a little too slow.
See, that probably could've been interesting.
I mean, they're obviously rehashing the broad strokes of Season 2's original plot anyway, why not actually take advantage of the setup people actually got back then with a character that's actually somewhat worth the ambiguous presentation?
Eeehhh...
I like when I got to tell her to never say Lee's name. That felt good.
It felt jarring how quickly she went into her "You'll end up just like him" speech. Like it was so forced and there was hardly any dialogue building up to it.
It seems that many people forgot about season 1. We played Lee and not Clementine. The relationship was between Lilly and Lee.
That's pretty much my observation of it, especially given how rushed this reintroduction and first scene is.
That is somewhat interesting for a character concept if done well.
Oh, I've wanting to talk about that particular thing for a while.