Also, what half of TFS has been released has been deemed by some to be "almost as good as Season 1" despite it's rushed nature before it and other games got cancelled through Telltale closing, so...
It was already going downhill, to be honest.
Also, what half of TFS has been released has been deemed by some to be "almost as good as Season 1" despite it's rushed nature before it and other games got cancelled through Telltale closing, so...
Also, what half of TFS has been released has been deemed by some to be "almost as good as Season 1" despite it's rushed nature before it and other games got cancelled through Telltale closing, so...
For someone who hasn't even been bothered to play TFS for yourself you sure are a vocal critic.
It's one thing for someone to criticize media that they have actually experienced for themself first-hand as opposed to merely observing from an outside perspective. If someone was to do this their opinion would be completely valid.
It's another thing when someone doesn't even bother to experience something first-hand judging it merely from an outsider's perspective yet they proceed to feel entitled to criticize it despite the fact that they haven't even fully experienced it. Honestly it's kind of hard to even take those types of viewpoints seriously. Same goes for when people judge the comics and the show. Shitting on a game you haven't even played, shitting on a show you haven't even watched, shitting on a comic series you haven't even read, etc. all of these are just stupid. But... whatever floats your boat I guess.
It was already going downhill, to be honest.
Also, what half of TFS has been released has been deemed by some to be "almost as good as Season 1" despite it's rushed nature before it and other games got cancelled through Telltale closing, so...
Also, what half of TFS has been released has been deemed by some to be "almost as good as Season 1" despite it's rushed nature before it and… more other games got cancelled through Telltale closing, so...
For someone who hasn't even been bothered to play TFS for yourself you sure are a vocal critic.
It's one thing for someone to criticize media that they have actually experienced for themself first-hand as opposed to merely observing from an outside perspective. If someone was to do this their opinion would be completely valid.
It's another thing when someone doesn't even bother to experience something first-hand judging it merely from an outsider's perspective yet they proceed to feel entitled to criticize it despite the fact that they haven't even fully experienced it. Honestly it's kind of hard to even take those types of viewpoints seriously. Same goes for when people judge the comics and the show. Shitting on a game you haven't e… [view original content]
For someone who hasn't even been bothered to play TFS for yourself you sure are a vocal critic.
The other stuff I wrote are analogies to get my point across.
Look, you are free to say whatever you want. I was just telling you that it is usually pretty hard to take the criticisms of someone who hasn't experienced the things that they are criticising first-hand seriously.
As I stated in my previous reply:
For someone who hasn't even been bothered to play TFS for yourself you sure are a vocal critic.
… more
The other stuff I wrote are analogies to get my point across.
Look, you are free to say whatever you want. I was just telling you that it is usually pretty hard to take the criticisms of someone who hasn't experienced the things that they are criticising first-hand seriously.
Very exaggerated and false.
IGN, Marketing, Lets plays, waiting for epidodes, price point, and plot switching and giving the game for free = telltales/twd death.
Let's blame ANF for WW2 while were at it.
I agree this probably wasn't the best place for this discussion but considering that one of the main points of this thread is "TFS saved TWD" and your comment as well as numerous other comments you have made in the past seemed to be rebuting that statement I figured we would just have the discussion here rather than creating a whole new thread.
As you stated in your first comment:
It was already going downhill, to be honest.
Also, what half of TFS has been released has been deemed by some to be "almost as good as Season 1" despite it's rushed nature before it and other games got cancelled through Telltale closing, so...
In this comment from what I could tell you were essentially rebutting the OP's statement saying that the TFS isn't exactly making the series much better.
This just reminded me of how in the past you have outright stated that you haven't actually played TFS yet you have proceeded to make a few threads and numerous comments dedicated to criticising TFS despite the fact that you haven't properly played it for yourself.
At least it wasn't out of character. Kenny wanted Clem and AJ safe while Jane didn't give two shits and gave up on her life over pregnancy caused by her stupidity.
Okaaay, I guess one can make some sufficient correlation there.
This just reminded me of how in the past you have outright stated that you haven't actually played TFS yet you have proceeded to make a few threads and numerous comments dedicated to criticising TFS despite the fact that you haven't properly played it for yourself.
It's almost like I'm sticking to the purchase mentality I've always stuck to, have played all but one of the other games, and that the game itself is based on the same gameplay mechanics that most of the companies games operate by.
I agree this probably wasn't the best place for this discussion but considering that one of the main points of this thread is "TFS saved TWD… more" and your comment as well as numerous other comments you have made in the past seemed to be rebuting that statement I figured we would just have the discussion here rather than creating a whole new thread.
As you stated in your first comment:
It was already going downhill, to be honest.
Also, what half of TFS has been released has been deemed by some to be "almost as good as Season 1" despite it's rushed nature before it and other games got cancelled through Telltale closing, so...
In this comment from what I could tell you were essentially rebutting the OP's statement saying that the TFS isn't exactly making the series much better.
This just reminded me of how in the past you have outright stated that you haven't actually played TFS yet you have proceeded to make a few threads… [view original content]
At least it wasn't out of character. Kenny wanted Clem and AJ safe while Jane didn't give two shits and gave up on her life over pregnancy caused by her stupidity.
A lot of people got tired of telltale before that,but ANF was just the last straw for a lot of their loyal fans,i'm still here because The Final Season is great but i can't blame the people who left,that game is the worst thing they've ever done,and that's the worst thing i've ever played too.
The first two episodes were bad but you'd think they'd listen to their fans and the other episodes would be good but no,the entire game was bad.
They rewrote so much shit,they lied to their fans,and i could tell you so much more so yes i believe that game is part of the reason telltale died.
You say all this like you think he hasn't seen the game. Watching playthroughs of the game is just as good as playing it. He's also active on the Details thread. Playing the game doesn't make one's reviews better. He's also stating facts.
I agree this probably wasn't the best place for this discussion but considering that one of the main points of this thread is "TFS saved TWD… more" and your comment as well as numerous other comments you have made in the past seemed to be rebuting that statement I figured we would just have the discussion here rather than creating a whole new thread.
As you stated in your first comment:
It was already going downhill, to be honest.
Also, what half of TFS has been released has been deemed by some to be "almost as good as Season 1" despite it's rushed nature before it and other games got cancelled through Telltale closing, so...
In this comment from what I could tell you were essentially rebutting the OP's statement saying that the TFS isn't exactly making the series much better.
This just reminded me of how in the past you have outright stated that you haven't actually played TFS yet you have proceeded to make a few threads… [view original content]
You say all this like you think he hasn't seen the game. Watching playthroughs of the game is just as good as playing it.
I would've been ok with you saying that if you were talking about season 2 or 3,but i'm gonna have to disagree with The Final Season,playing TFS and watching it is two completely different things and you can miss a lot of details.
And anyway it's pretty obvious that Dabig just lost interest in this series after season 2.
You say all this like you think he hasn't seen the game. Watching playthroughs of the game is just as good as playing it. He's also active on the Details thread. Playing the game doesn't make one's reviews better. He's also stating facts.
playing TFS and watching it is two completely different things and you can miss a lot of details.
They are not. Again, as I said, he's active on the Details thread. I played TFS myself, and I'd have to disagree with you there. It's the same thing. Also, I think he's still interested but there's no more hype anymore. That's what it's like with me at least. The fact that he bothers with the projects and that he bothers to still write more than most, when the forums have tumbleweeds rolling around right now is enough for me to deny that he lost interest.
He's also stating facts
Lol,uh yeah..No.
You say all this like you think he hasn't seen the game. Watching playthroughs of the… more game is just as good as playing it.
I would've been ok with you saying that if you were talking about season 2 or 3,but i'm gonna have to disagree with The Final Season,playing TFS and watching it is two completely different things and you can miss a lot of details.
And anyway it's pretty obvious that Dabig just lost interest in this series after season 2.
He lost interest,he's just here for..well i don't know why he's here but he's clearly not enjoying this season,i mean he said that Willy was his favorite character dude,of all the characters this season fucking Willy is his favorite.
I don't really understand why some people here who hates the game just stay,i mean what's the point of being here if you don't even like Clem,or AJ or what they did this season,
if i don't like something i'd just move on and do something else i like but whatever.
playing TFS and watching it is two completely different things and you can miss a lot of details.
They are not. Again, as I said, he… more's active on the Details thread. I played TFS myself, and I'd have to disagree with you there. It's the same thing. Also, I think he's still interested but there's no more hype anymore. That's what it's like with me at least. The fact that he bothers with the projects and that he bothers to still write more than most, when the forums have tumbleweeds rolling around right now is enough for me to deny that he lost interest.
i mean he said that Willy was his favorite character dude,of all the characters this season fucking Willy is his favorite.
I mean that's coming from a guy that likes... Jolene, for some reason I cannot humanly comprehend by any stretch of the imagination
Or Michelle, for an equally un-understandable reason
I mean what, these characters barely even count as characters, what the hell can you even find interesting in them to seemingly place them on a higher pedestal than basically 75% of the entire roster of characters across all four seasons, that actually have some semblance of actual characterization; motives, feelings, flaws, hopes, and dreams
Like, forgive me if I'm sounding super rude here, but I don't get it. At all. Like, I mean I literally cannot understand why. I have tried, and I just can't.
He lost interest,he's just here for..well i don't know why he's here but he's clearly not enjoying this season,i mean he said that Willy was… more his favorite character dude,of all the characters this season fucking Willy is his favorite.
I don't really understand why some people here who hates the game just stay,i mean what's the point of being here if you don't even like Clem,or AJ or what they did this season,
if i don't like something i'd just move on and do something else i like but whatever.
I'll have to track it down, but I actually wrote out a timeline regarding how long the game was in development at minimum that lends to the idea that it's somewhat rushed compared to most of the other Walking Dead games.
It's just a theory(or really, a hypothesis with some evidence), but one that has precedent to reference.
,playing TFS and watching it is two completely different things and you can miss a lot of details.
That is true. However, given that I've seen two separate playthroughs and a few lone videos of some things, I think I got at least 70% of the experience.
Especially since I've played all but one of the others games(plus the Wolf Among Us) and there are visible markers for what you interact with.
And anyway it's pretty obvious that Dabig just lost interest in this series after season 2.
He's also stating facts
Lol,uh yeah..No.
You say all this like you think he hasn't seen the game. Watching playthroughs of the… more game is just as good as playing it.
I would've been ok with you saying that if you were talking about season 2 or 3,but i'm gonna have to disagree with The Final Season,playing TFS and watching it is two completely different things and you can miss a lot of details.
And anyway it's pretty obvious that Dabig just lost interest in this series after season 2.
I'll have to track it down, but I actually wrote out a timeline regarding how long the game was in development at minimum that lends to the idea that it's somewhat rushed compared to most of the other Walking Dead games.
So i'm trying to makes sense of what you just said,but what you're trying to tell me here is that the Final Season is..Rushed ? Or was rushed in development or something ?
Anyway i don't really know what you're trying to say here but if you're saying that the final season is rushed,that's bullshit,i haven't seen any big rewrites or huge deleted scenes or concepts or whatever.
The only things i've seen they removed were some lines from episode 1 (i made a thread for that) other than that it seems like they're not joking this time,and actually know what they're doing.
Lol,uh yeah..No.
I'll have to track it down, but I actually wrote out a timeline regarding how long the game was in development at m… moreinimum that lends to the idea that it's somewhat rushed compared to most of the other Walking Dead games.
It's just a theory(or really, a hypothesis with some evidence), but one that has precedent to reference.
,playing TFS and watching it is two completely different things and you can miss a lot of details.
That is true. However, given that I've seen two separate playthroughs and a few lone videos of some things, I think I got at least 70% of the experience.
Especially since I've played all but one of the others games(plus the Wolf Among Us) and there are visible markers for what you interact with.
And anyway it's pretty obvious that Dabig just lost interest in this series after season 2.
Eeeh...that's sorta fair?
i mean he said that Willy was his favorite character dude,of all the characters this season fucking Willy is his favorite.
I mean th… moreat's coming from a guy that likes... Jolene, for some reason I cannot humanly comprehend by any stretch of the imagination
Or Michelle, for an equally un-understandable reason
I mean what, these characters barely even count as characters, what the hell can you even find interesting in them to seemingly place them on a higher pedestal than basically 75% of the entire roster of characters across all four seasons, that actually have some semblance of actual characterization; motives, feelings, flaws, hopes, and dreams
Like, forgive me if I'm sounding super rude here, but I don't get it. At all. Like, I mean I literally cannot understand why. I have tried, and I just can't.
If anything, the seeming lack of cut content backs the notion up.
They wanted to get what they would call "The Final Season" done and out the door within the next two years and so went with most of what they came up with on the first few trials and possibly just kept what they didn't really like on paper or channeled it into another character/plotpoint. Simple as that.
That's not really meant to be taken as a bad thing.
I'll have to track it down, but I actually wrote out a timeline regarding how long the game was in development at minimum that lends to the … moreidea that it's somewhat rushed compared to most of the other Walking Dead games.
So i'm trying to makes sense of what you just said,but what you're trying to tell me here is that the Final Season is..Rushed ? Or was rushed in development or something ?
Anyway i don't really know what you're trying to say here but if you're saying that the final season is rushed,that's bullshit,i haven't seen any big rewrites or huge deleted scenes or concepts or whatever.
The only things i've seen they removed were some lines from episode 1 (i made a thread for that) other than that it seems like they're not joking this time,and actually know what they're doing.
I'll have to track it down, but I actually wrote out a timeline regarding how long the game was in development at minimum that lends to the idea that it's somewhat rushed compared to most of the other Walking Dead games.
Just because the development time was short it doesn't mean that the game was rushed.
ANF was rushed. Not TFS.
Lol,uh yeah..No.
I'll have to track it down, but I actually wrote out a timeline regarding how long the game was in development at m… moreinimum that lends to the idea that it's somewhat rushed compared to most of the other Walking Dead games.
It's just a theory(or really, a hypothesis with some evidence), but one that has precedent to reference.
,playing TFS and watching it is two completely different things and you can miss a lot of details.
That is true. However, given that I've seen two separate playthroughs and a few lone videos of some things, I think I got at least 70% of the experience.
Especially since I've played all but one of the others games(plus the Wolf Among Us) and there are visible markers for what you interact with.
And anyway it's pretty obvious that Dabig just lost interest in this series after season 2.
Eeeh...that's sorta fair?
I thought ANF's problem was that it spent so much time making and changing so much of what was all intended to be in the game, even after the premiere was "ready" to go?
I'll have to track it down, but I actually wrote out a timeline regarding how long the game was in development at minimum that lends to the … moreidea that it's somewhat rushed compared to most of the other Walking Dead games.
Just because the development time was short it doesn't mean that the game was rushed.
ANF was rushed. Not TFS.
Nah. I'm sure there are a ton of old stuff that we haven't seen yet, or it was in such a stage that we'd need devs or VA's to tell us about it. There is already a lot of concept art of this Season, and by looking at it you can see that the atmosphere was very different to what we have now. The tones and even themes could've been different. Every Telltale game goes through several iterations before finding the 'Launch Story', and there are lots of different layers of 'rewrites'.
Choices, characters, development, locations and just huge stories parts could've changed. And before that, there must have been several iterations of the story. The devs look for that solid story first and I'm sure there were a lot of interesting stuff discussed. Deleted lines auren't all there is, I'm sure. Anyway, because our first look was in April, I think actual development started in Janruary. If we look at what we got in April alone, you can tell it's different. Take Louis, he doesn't ponder over the old world, he's way different. After all, there's gotta be an explanation for why we have all these side-characters that auren't realised. But understand that re-writers auren't bad things, I just wanted to let you know that I believe there is a lot of stuff that ended up on the cutting room floor.
I don't think the game is rushed though. But I really, really want to know of more old stuff that was being discussed in the Concept stage.
I'll have to track it down, but I actually wrote out a timeline regarding how long the game was in development at minimum that lends to the … moreidea that it's somewhat rushed compared to most of the other Walking Dead games.
So i'm trying to makes sense of what you just said,but what you're trying to tell me here is that the Final Season is..Rushed ? Or was rushed in development or something ?
Anyway i don't really know what you're trying to say here but if you're saying that the final season is rushed,that's bullshit,i haven't seen any big rewrites or huge deleted scenes or concepts or whatever.
The only things i've seen they removed were some lines from episode 1 (i made a thread for that) other than that it seems like they're not joking this time,and actually know what they're doing.
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Can't argue with you there
It did more damage on the series and the company then it did beneficial positives.
Kenny was killing TWD. That's why they killed his ass.
Kevin Bruner did it.
It was already going downhill, to be honest.
Also, what half of TFS has been released has been deemed by some to be "almost as good as Season 1" despite it's rushed nature before it and other games got cancelled through Telltale closing, so...
Well i wouldn't say it's as good as season 1 but it's better than ANF and the second half of season 2 imo
For someone who hasn't even been bothered to play TFS for yourself you sure are a vocal critic.
It's one thing for someone to criticize media that they have actually experienced for themself first-hand as opposed to merely observing from an outside perspective. If someone was to do this their opinion would be completely valid.
It's another thing when someone doesn't even bother to experience something first-hand judging it merely from an outsider's perspective yet they proceed to feel entitled to criticize it despite the fact that they haven't even fully experienced it. Honestly it's kind of hard to even take those types of viewpoints seriously. Same goes for when people judge the comics and the show. Shitting on a game you haven't even played, shitting on a show you haven't even watched, shitting on a comic series you haven't even read, etc. all of these are just stupid. But... whatever floats your boat I guess.
Uh...what am I criticizing now?
As I stated in my previous reply:
The other stuff I wrote are analogies to get my point across.
Look, you are free to say whatever you want. I was just telling you that it is usually pretty hard to take the criticisms of someone who hasn't experienced the things that they are criticising first-hand seriously.
And I repeat: What was criticizing there?
I definitely get what you're saying, but it seems like an odd place to say something like that.
Very exaggerated and false.
IGN, Marketing, Lets plays, waiting for epidodes, price point, and plot switching and giving the game for free = telltales/twd death.
Let's blame ANF for WW2 while were at it.
Most people liked S1 and S2 better.
I agree this probably wasn't the best place for this discussion but considering that one of the main points of this thread is "TFS saved TWD" and your comment as well as numerous other comments you have made in the past seemed to be rebuting that statement I figured we would just have the discussion here rather than creating a whole new thread.
As you stated in your first comment:
In this comment from what I could tell you were essentially rebutting the OP's statement saying that the TFS isn't exactly making the series much better.
This just reminded me of how in the past you have outright stated that you haven't actually played TFS yet you have proceeded to make a few threads and numerous comments dedicated to criticising TFS despite the fact that you haven't properly played it for yourself.
The Walking Dead A New Frontier was a mistake.
.#NotMySeason3
You forgot the hashtag.
I don’t like Season 3 much, some parts are decent, but so much of it being retconned doesn’t help the impact of it.
At least it wasn't out of character. Kenny wanted Clem and AJ safe while Jane didn't give two shits and gave up on her life over pregnancy caused by her stupidity.
Okaaay, I guess one can make some sufficient correlation there.
It's almost like I'm sticking to the purchase mentality I've always stuck to, have played all but one of the other games, and that the game itself is based on the same gameplay mechanics that most of the companies games operate by.
Well yeah but that doesnt mean ANF killed TWD or TT. It just didnt. It was alot. ANF might be worst than S1 but its not trash
Jane was 3 times the man kenny would've ever lived to be.
Poor Luke and Troy.
ANF killed Telltale,literally dude.
A lot of people got tired of telltale before that,but ANF was just the last straw for a lot of their loyal fans,i'm still here because The Final Season is great but i can't blame the people who left,that game is the worst thing they've ever done,and that's the worst thing i've ever played too.
The first two episodes were bad but you'd think they'd listen to their fans and the other episodes would be good but no,the entire game was bad.
They rewrote so much shit,they lied to their fans,and i could tell you so much more so yes i believe that game is part of the reason telltale died.
The game ANF was originally going to be would make the onewe actually got certainly look like trash.
it was already going downhill bc of s2 tbh
How many of these fucking threads are we gonna have? ANF was garbage, we already know that.
You guys still crying about Anf huh? It happend. Get over it.
Oh no i'm not crying i got over it already,i just hope most people remember that this game is part of the reason telltale fucking died.
You say all this like you think he hasn't seen the game. Watching playthroughs of the game is just as good as playing it. He's also active on the Details thread. Playing the game doesn't make one's reviews better. He's also stating facts.
Lol,uh yeah..No.
I would've been ok with you saying that if you were talking about season 2 or 3,but i'm gonna have to disagree with The Final Season,playing TFS and watching it is two completely different things and you can miss a lot of details.
And anyway it's pretty obvious that Dabig just lost interest in this series after season 2.
They are not. Again, as I said, he's active on the Details thread. I played TFS myself, and I'd have to disagree with you there. It's the same thing. Also, I think he's still interested but there's no more hype anymore. That's what it's like with me at least. The fact that he bothers with the projects and that he bothers to still write more than most, when the forums have tumbleweeds rolling around right now is enough for me to deny that he lost interest.
He lost interest,he's just here for..well i don't know why he's here but he's clearly not enjoying this season,i mean he said that Willy was his favorite character dude,of all the characters this season fucking Willy is his favorite.
I don't really understand why some people here who hates the game just stay,i mean what's the point of being here if you don't even like Clem,or AJ or what they did this season,
if i don't like something i'd just move on and do something else i like but whatever.
I mean that's coming from a guy that likes... Jolene, for some reason I cannot humanly comprehend by any stretch of the imagination
Or Michelle, for an equally un-understandable reason
I mean what, these characters barely even count as characters, what the hell can you even find interesting in them to seemingly place them on a higher pedestal than basically 75% of the entire roster of characters across all four seasons, that actually have some semblance of actual characterization; motives, feelings, flaws, hopes, and dreams
Like, forgive me if I'm sounding super rude here, but I don't get it. At all. Like, I mean I literally cannot understand why. I have tried, and I just can't.
...
I'll have to track it down, but I actually wrote out a timeline regarding how long the game was in development at minimum that lends to the idea that it's somewhat rushed compared to most of the other Walking Dead games.
It's just a theory(or really, a hypothesis with some evidence), but one that has precedent to reference.
That is true. However, given that I've seen two separate playthroughs and a few lone videos of some things, I think I got at least 70% of the experience.
Especially since I've played all but one of the others games(plus the Wolf Among Us) and there are visible markers for what you interact with.
Eeeh...that's sorta fair?
So i'm trying to makes sense of what you just said,but what you're trying to tell me here is that the Final Season is..Rushed ? Or was rushed in development or something ?
Anyway i don't really know what you're trying to say here but if you're saying that the final season is rushed,that's bullshit,i haven't seen any big rewrites or huge deleted scenes or concepts or whatever.
The only things i've seen they removed were some lines from episode 1 (i made a thread for that) other than that it seems like they're not joking this time,and actually know what they're doing.
Actually, it's Louis.
Wily is another runner up above Tenn & Ruby and probably below AJ.
I don't hate the game, okay. I'm just not too impressed by what I've seen, nor the timeline of it reaching this level of superficial level.
If anything, the seeming lack of cut content backs the notion up.
They wanted to get what they would call "The Final Season" done and out the door within the next two years and so went with most of what they came up with on the first few trials and possibly just kept what they didn't really like on paper or channeled it into another character/plotpoint. Simple as that.
That's not really meant to be taken as a bad thing.
Just because the development time was short it doesn't mean that the game was rushed.
ANF was rushed. Not TFS.
I thought ANF's problem was that it spent so much time making and changing so much of what was all intended to be in the game, even after the premiere was "ready" to go?
Nah. I'm sure there are a ton of old stuff that we haven't seen yet, or it was in such a stage that we'd need devs or VA's to tell us about it. There is already a lot of concept art of this Season, and by looking at it you can see that the atmosphere was very different to what we have now. The tones and even themes could've been different. Every Telltale game goes through several iterations before finding the 'Launch Story', and there are lots of different layers of 'rewrites'.
Choices, characters, development, locations and just huge stories parts could've changed. And before that, there must have been several iterations of the story. The devs look for that solid story first and I'm sure there were a lot of interesting stuff discussed. Deleted lines auren't all there is, I'm sure. Anyway, because our first look was in April, I think actual development started in Janruary. If we look at what we got in April alone, you can tell it's different. Take Louis, he doesn't ponder over the old world, he's way different. After all, there's gotta be an explanation for why we have all these side-characters that auren't realised. But understand that re-writers auren't bad things, I just wanted to let you know that I believe there is a lot of stuff that ended up on the cutting room floor.
I don't think the game is rushed though. But I really, really want to know of more old stuff that was being discussed in the Concept stage.
Look at the graph. Look at the sales after ANF. Do you notice anything?