Ben did nothing wrong. Prove me wrong
- He kept the group alive. By giving the bandits meds; he stopped them from attacking. If the bandits hadn't stopped attacking the motor inn relentlessly; how long until someone got killed? How long until a bandit attack killed Clem? Look at it however you want but bottom line; Ben's actions caused Clem to escape the motor inn safely. If Lee hadn't discovered the meds; the motor inn would've never been attacked. You could also blame Lilly in this regard. Lee had no idea supplies went missing. Lilly started the the fire that burned the motor inn down when she interfered with the Ben's peace offering.
- You could hold a grudge against him for taking the hatchet out of the door at Crawford. But he was just trying to help the group get guns. Guns = safety for Clem and the group. And him taking that hatchet doesn't matter anyway. Molly can still be saved. You could argue that he got Brie killed. But she was going to steal the boat with Vernon anyway; so who cares? And when Ben took the hatchet and gave it to Lee it led to the most badass scene in the episode where Lee is haking walkers left and right up the bell tower.
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Yeah Ben's a great guy,i loved that scene in episode 4 where he leaves Clem in the streets,what a great fucking guy.
Only thing Ben fucked up with was leaving Clem on the streets, but at least he didn't shoot her in the shoulder (COUGH COUGH Arvo), so I can forgive him for that. Plus, he's one of my favourite characters, along side Lee and Clem of course (And many others).
He didn't tell the rest of the group about the deal he made so they were completely blindsided whereas if Ben had been honest then the group could have been ready or simply left in the middle of the night.
Ben's deal didn't ensure that the bandits would never possibly attack... the bandits were bleeding the group dry and then attacked once the supplies stopped flowing. And at the beginning of episode 3 it is abundantly clear that Macon is nearly out of supplies and the group is struggling just to feed themselves. An attack was inevitable.
Ben left Clementine to die in the streets when Lee literally yells at him to help her. Being scared isn't a good enough excuse, everyone in the group was scared but they wouldn't be so cowardly as to leave a little girl to fend for herself.
Ben pulled an axe out of a door that was very clearly being used to fortify the door. Wanting to help isn't a good enough excuse, anyone with half a brain would have seen why the axe was fixed in the door handle like that. He was a complete moron and this action got people killed.
Ben wasn't a downright evil character and he is sympathetic in some ways but to say he did literally nothing wrong completely ignores what fuck up and general shitbird he was.
He made up for it in the end. He was willing to sacrifice himself to save her
He made up for it in the end. He was willing to sacrifice himself to save her
He made up for Clem in the end. He was willing to sacrifice himself to save her and if he had told the group about the plan they would never go for it. Lilly was dead set of staying. She was going to fight the bandits for as lobg as she could. We don't know if Kenny had the RV fixed. Ben's deal gave Kenny time to fix the RV. When the bandits did attack; it almost didn't start. And I doubt it would've started at all if the motor inn got attacked sooner.
You say that Ben was willing to sacrifice himself for Clem... where are you getting this from? Because he is determinately willing to accompany Lee back to Vernon's place? Just because he goes along with Lee doesn't mean he would be willing or capable of sacrificing himself. He's still a shitbird in this scenario, he straight up faints if he has to cut Lee's arm off and then Lee has to finish the job himself.
Regardless of whether Ben's deal bought them time he should have told the group. Regardless of whether certain members decided to stay or flee or fight, being aware of the bandit situation would at least give them time to prepare and decide. Instead they were blindsided and their only choice was to flee, and as a result Duck was bitten. If Ben had been honest with the group then Duck would likely not have been bitten, Katjaa wouldn't have killed herself, and Carley wouldn't have been murdered.
At Crawford's bell tower. He wanted Lee to drop him at Crawford's bell tower to save time and to get Clementine out of the Crawford (IF you bring Clem with you, that is).
His actions did lead to Duck, Carley/Doug and Katjaa dying....so yeah I do not see Ben as not doing anything wrong.
Ben had good intentions but how he went about things was wrong.
Just going to the meds. The bandits were obviously happy with a low amount of medication, if they'd been demanding an excessive amount then even Lee would have been able to see that the count was not good.
Had he told the group that the bandits had contacted him, that they were demanding meds, then actions could have been taken. The bandit group really didn't seem to be that big in comparison to the Motel survivors, a decent ambush with Carley's deadeye and Lily's training would have ensured the bandits weren't a problem.
So yeah. Ben had good intentions but we all know where those lead.
He told Lee to let him go and ensure Clem survives. That was his sacrifice. Like I said with the RV. It almost didn't start even after days of peace. If Kenny had been focusing all his time on fighting off the bandits, he wouldn't have had time to work on the RV at all. And the RV is the only reason they escape. And Ben is blameless in Carley's death. It was all Lilly. She couldn't cope with Larry's death; she snapped. You have to admit that at least. And when Lilly shoots Doug by mistake; does that make it Ben's fault too? Doug made the choice to save Ben. Murdering the traitor wasn't Lilly's call to make. Carley/Doug are 100% on Lilly's hands.
The bandits were attacking the motor inn anyway. If anything he gave them all a few more days to live. It's not like Duck, Carley/Doug and Katjaa would've lived if Ben hadn't done the deal. If anything the bandits would've attacked sooner; causing their deaths sooner. Plus if Ben hadn't made peace with the bandits, Kenny would've been putting his time into fighting them off rather than fixing the RV. And without the RV; everybody would've died with no escape vehicle. In short; Ben gave Kenny time to work on the group's only escape. Even if they some how got away on foot; they'd be screwed anyway without any supplies.
I see your reasoning and it makes sense. But if the group had fought off all the bandits; the walkers would've swarmed the motel which would've most likely led to someone else getting bit
Also, in not telling the group, he furthered Lilly's trauma.
No excuse for Ben not telling the group about the bandits. Didn't he think the group would miss the stuff he was giving away?
That’s fucking stupid Ben.
Ben's chain reaction of decisions led to to all the group mostly dying, he even left Clem for dead when Lee asked him to look out for her
Dammit, I didn't mean to hit this.
Man, fuck this forum's glitching issues.
Next thing you know it's Badger Did Nothing Wrong.
I mean, when you think about it, he spared Mariana from having to appear in the rest of the season, so...
It's just a game, Mariana isn't a godsend or anything, she's just a cool character. If Badger spared Clem from having to appear in the rest of the season, thus no longer tarnishing her character I'd like him. She doesn't need to die she just needs to go far away from ANF.
The hatchet in the door never made sense to me since the walkers were not present or making any noise until the perfect moment of Ben revealing he had it. Ben may have made reckless decisions, but he wasn't blind by any means.
I do feel that Telltale began to make Ben such a near unrealistic screw up that it nearly became a comical parody.
He should've spared her from existing in the first place. And maybe himself while he's at it.
He was a dumb coward but in the end wanted to make it right with Kenny and Clem. He wasn’t a bad person but he did do stupid things. I still like his character, he’s torn inside, with nobody really to help him.
Okay, wtf?
She can't be killed if she didn't exist.
The questions isn't if he did nothing wrong, but rather, if we can forgive him. Despite all the mistakes he made.
Not an answer to my question.
If it were possible, I would've had Lee tear Ben's spine out
Ben abandons Clem, a 9-year old girl, to be eaten by walkers so he can save his own skin. Fuck that spineless bastard.
He makes up for it by willing to sacrifice himself in the bell tower
You act like he did that on purpose. Like it was his evil plan to leave Clem for the walkers or something.
Before I start, I just wanna say I hope you're playing Devil's advocate by defending him
You don't think they'd just LEAVE the motor inn? Why would they stay there any longer if they knew they were a target? They left after the first sign of bandit trouble.
And what would've happened once they ran out of meds to give the bandits? Then what? They would've been caught completely off guard. Had Ben told them he came in contact with bandits, they would've prepared better. So no, he didn't help by giving them meds.
I didn't care about Brie. She told Vernon to shoot me. Yeah, it was for their own protection, but she still told him to shoot me, so fuck her.
Oh yeah. Certinately stealing important supplies when the group already is doing bad clearly has a lot of sense. If he would be smart then he would immedietaly tell Lee & others what is hapenning and that they request the supplies or they will attack them. If he had said it to them then they could be ready for a fight or they would escape.
Didn't they enter the school this way? There surely wasn't a hatchet there. So he has just seen a hatchet in those doors the next time. Hmmm I don't know? They magically appeared there? You don't have to be super-smart to understand that someone put them there in order to make sure that the doors will be closed.
It's not like he had bad intentions, but he was stupid as hell. Stupid people like him get people killed, he ALREADY got people killed.
Arvo Did Nothing Wrong
He was trying to help, but he should've told Lee about it, I wish Lee could've done more for him.
There's actually some degree of legitimacy behind that up to a point, to be fair.
I mean......Mariana DOES look a little scary.....
Maybe Badger shot her because she was a witch. You know, "Brujeria".
I like your points but Lee said the bandits hadn't attacked the motor inn for days. Plus they couldn't leave since the RV didn't work; they had nowhere to go. It barely started when the bandits attacked so they couldn't have left the motor inn before that happened. If Ben hadn't given them meds; the motor inn would've been overrun by bandits before Kenny fixed the RV, which probably would've led the whole group getting killed. They had no way out without the RV. The med deal kept the bandits at bay for a few days. Kenny used that time to fix the RV; if he didn't have the time to fix the RV; everyone would've died
They couldn't fight. They lost against the bandits. Lee's group was outnumbered and outgunned. And they couldn't leave sooner because the RV didn't work. If no meds were offered the motor inn would've been attacked sooner; meaning the RV wouldn't have started. Getting probably everyone in the motor inn killed. But sure, he could've told them