Jane is a selfish person, not a killer. After she killed the russian guy at the gunfight she even felt really bad about it, and she did show empathy not only once about things in general, but she just didn't like getting into other people's problems herself.
I don't think she would have the balls to drop the salt lick on his head, but she probably would do the same thing as Lee did (optional): Hold Lilly back so Kenny could smash Larry's head.
Jane is a selfish person, not a killer. After she killed the russian guy at the gunfight she even felt really bad about it, and she did show… more empathy not only once about things in general, but she just didn't like getting into other people's problems herself.
I don't think she would have the balls to drop the salt lick on his head, but she probably would do the same thing as Lee did (optional): Hold Lilly back so Kenny could smash Larry's head.
About Sarah and Jaime - That was her being selfish, so... What's your point? She literally didn't do anything. As someone that hated the fact of her leaving Sarah to die in both her deaths, you're objectively wrong and nothing will ever change it.
About Troy - He was basically the sidekick of a dictator and there are some theories around that he had forced sex with Jane or something like that in trade of favors considering their lines at his last moments, so... Makes sense that she was 100% disgusted with him?
About Sarah and Jaime - That was her being selfish, so... What's your point? She literally didn't do anything. As someone that hated the fac… moret of her leaving Sarah to die in both her deaths, you're objectively wrong and nothing will ever change it.
About Troy - He was basically the sidekick of a dictator and there are some theories around that he had forced sex with Jane or something like that in trade of favors considering their lines at his last moments, so... Makes sense that she was 100% disgusted with him?
Jane wouldnt even have hesitated or Asked Lee for help she d just straight up pick it up and dropped it on him without any explanation, She d deal with the consequences and explain it after the threat had passed.
Well, I didn't say I disagree on it being unhealthy, but it just isn't inconsistent at all. As I said, the fact of Jane leaving Sarah to die in both her deaths pissed me a fuckton back in the days.
What I'm saying is that, like it or not, she had no obligations with those people, if she wanted to save them because she's a good person fine, but not saving them doesn't mean that she's a heartless person or that those deaths were her fault, if anything their deaths were their own faults and that's Jane's character arc in a nutshell.
No, if anything, it's the unhealthy application and investment of said emotions that bothers me.
Also, fuck criticizing neutrality--these are consciously discarded lives we're talking about here.
Yes she is. And the smart choice is not to risk being stuck in a confined space with a 300 lb. zombie. She'd have dropped that salt lick without a second thought. She may have regretted the necessity of it, but she still would've thought it was necessary.
Jane is a selfish person, not a killer. After she killed the russian guy at the gunfight she even felt really bad about it, and she did show… more empathy not only once about things in general, but she just didn't like getting into other people's problems herself.
I don't think she would have the balls to drop the salt lick on his head, but she probably would do the same thing as Lee did (optional): Hold Lilly back so Kenny could smash Larry's head.
We met Jane two or three years into the apocalypse. The meat locker situation was three months in. Who knows what Jane was like, or would have done, back then?
Heck, maybe even Lilly would have dropped the saltlick on Larry's head with a few years of survival experience under her belt.
Well, she had no problem shooting Troy in the dick and using him as walker food. Now before you say, "Well he's an asshole", that was never in question, but do you honestly think he deserved to go out like that?
Did he rape Jane or something else equally heinous? Not in the final product, he didn't.
Also, we aren't forgetting her whole plan to kill Kenny just so she could have Clementine all to herself right? Hell, she even emulates the stranger in that regard:
"You're going away, and we're starting our new family."
Jane is a selfish person, not a killer. After she killed the russian guy at the gunfight she even felt really bad about it, and she did show… more empathy not only once about things in general, but she just didn't like getting into other people's problems herself.
I don't think she would have the balls to drop the salt lick on his head, but she probably would do the same thing as Lee did (optional): Hold Lilly back so Kenny could smash Larry's head.
Sarah, that part is true, she was selfish and apathetic towards her, yet would still risk her life twice to try and save her.
As for Jaime, Jane literally had to force her to survive, dragging her across multiple states through multiple years until she no longer had the energy to keep dragging her sister who wanted to die ages ago, is it selfish for Jane not to want to die with her sister? I think not.
As for Troy, he's an aggressive and rude individual who acted as the right hand to an even worse person, Carver. He was more apathetic than Jane or Kenny in the short time we knew him.
How tf did I not see this? Anyway, Ithink she would’ve held the saltlick over his head, ready to drop on him the moment he turned and not a second earlier.
How tf did I not see this? Anyway, Ithink she would’ve held the saltlick over his head, ready to drop on him the moment he turned and not a second earlier.
She would have dropped it long before waiting for him to turn. Anyone with a brain wouldn’t wait till someone turns if they were trapped in a room with limited options
How tf did I not see this? Anyway, Ithink she would’ve held the saltlick over his head, ready to drop on him the moment he turned and not a second earlier.
Not unless she knew he had heart problems and saw how he went down back at the pharmacy. If there was a chance he could've bounced back, which there was btw, she would've waited until the exact moment he turned to drop the saltlick, like, while he was pinned on the floor.
She would have dropped it long before waiting for him to turn. Anyone with a brain wouldn’t wait till someone turns if they were trapped in a room with limited options
You obviously do not understand about reviving heart attack victims do you? No, Larry could not have been saved. Why? Because even if he was revived, Larry would have died anyway without the medicine he needed or hospital care. Do some research sir. The group had neither. They were trapped. Or did you forget that part Dex?
Waiting until the moment he turns is the stupidest thing anyone could do. You think one man could pin Larry to the floor? Do you think Lilly would be in the state of mind to hold him down? It would take Kenny and Lee to pin him down. Who would lift the salt lick? Clementine? Jesus Christ man, assess the scene properly. What if Lee or Lilly began giving mouth to mouth and he turned? Larry would rip their face off. It happened on an episode of Fear The Walking Dead in very similar circumstances.
There is no point trying to defend this. Lee even tells Clem at the end of the game that Larry was going one way or another either way.
Not unless she knew he had heart problems and saw how he went down back at the pharmacy. If there was a chance he could've bounced back, whi… morech there was btw, she would've waited until the exact moment he turned to drop the saltlick, like, while he was pinned on the floor.
You won't need to do cardiac pulmonary resuscitation (CPR) unless the heart attack victim goes into cardiac arrest, which means they are unconscious and have stopped breathing. If this happens, CPR will keep the blood circulating while you wait for the ambulance or for someone to get a defibrillator
Please explain to me where the group would get an ambulance or a defibrillator during the zombie apocalypse while trapped in a meat locker at a cannibal farm
Not unless she knew he had heart problems and saw how he went down back at the pharmacy. If there was a chance he could've bounced back, whi… morech there was btw, she would've waited until the exact moment he turned to drop the saltlick, like, while he was pinned on the floor.
Exactly. And how can the group risk continue giving CPR to someone knowing the high risk that he’ll turn and try to kill you? Someone who revives from a heart attack doesn’t just get up and dust themselves and say “hey i’m good to go guys”! No, Larry would have been very ill and without the medicine, defibrillator or anything hospital related, he would have died anyway. I wish people would use their brains when it comes to common sense as to why Larry needed to be dealt with, as horrible/sad that it was for Lilly.
You won't need to do cardiac pulmonary resuscitation (CPR) unless the heart attack victim goes into cardiac arrest, which means they are unc… moreonscious and have stopped breathing. If this happens, CPR will keep the blood circulating while you wait for the ambulance or for someone to get a defibrillator
Please explain to me where the group would get an ambulance or a defibrillator during the zombie apocalypse while trapped in a meat locker at a cannibal farm
You obviously do not understand about reviving heart attack victims do you?
No, I forgot to do my homework on it
Even if he was revived, Larry would have died anyway without the medicine he needed or hospital care
Doesn't mean Jane wouldn't have waited until the moment he turned to kill him though. She could've left Sarah the moment she saw her frozen in the corner but didn't. She would've waited.
Do some research sir
No thanks, I have other things I wanna waste my invaluable time on
You obviously do not understand about reviving heart attack victims do you? No, Larry could not have been saved. Why? Because even if he was… more revived, Larry would have died anyway without the medicine he needed or hospital care. Do some research sir. The group had neither. They were trapped. Or did you forget that part Dex?
Waiting until the moment he turns is the stupidest thing anyone could do. You think one man could pin Larry to the floor? Do you think Lilly would be in the state of mind to hold him down? It would take Kenny and Lee to pin him down. Who would lift the salt lick? Clementine? Jesus Christ man, assess the scene properly. What if Lee or Lilly began giving mouth to mouth and he turned? Larry would rip their face off. It happened on an episode of Fear The Walking Dead in very similar circumstances.
There is no point trying to defend this. Lee even tells Clem at the end of the game that Larry was going one way or another either way.
Doesn't mean Jane wouldn't have waited until the moment he turned to kill him though. She could've left Sarah the moment she saw her frozen in the corner but didn't. She would've waited.
Maybe she would have waited but i highly doubt it. We’ll never know.
As for Sarah, if she was on her own she would have left her in a heartbeat. The reason she didn’t was because of Clem’s insistence
You obviously do not understand about reviving heart attack victims do you?
No, I forgot to do my homework on it
Even if he w… moreas revived, Larry would have died anyway without the medicine he needed or hospital care
Doesn't mean Jane wouldn't have waited until the moment he turned to kill him though. She could've left Sarah the moment she saw her frozen in the corner but didn't. She would've waited.
Do some research sir
No thanks, I have other things I wanna waste my invaluable time on
Or did you forget that part Dex?
Hold on, let me think...….
if she was on her own she would have left her in a heartbeat
That's different from actually having to kill someone while they're unconscious. And of course she would've left her. Who wouldn't have? If she could leave her own sister to die then she definitely could've left some random girl she knew for less than a day to die as well. Doing so wouldn't make her a bad person or anything, she'd just be ensuring her own survival by separating herself from the weakest link, which is perfectly understandable.
Doesn't mean Jane wouldn't have waited until the moment he turned to kill him though. She could've left Sarah the moment she saw her frozen … morein the corner but didn't. She would've waited.
Maybe she would have waited but i highly doubt it. We’ll never know.
As for Sarah, if she was on her own she would have left her in a heartbeat. The reason she didn’t was because of Clem’s insistence
Doing so wouldn't make her a bad person or anything, she'd just be ensuring her own survival by separating herself from the weakest link, which is perfectly understandable.
Yes, i don’t blame Jane for wanting to leave her. Sarah was putting everyone in danger, technically Clementine was for trying to force her to move. The meat locker scene and trailer scene isn’t so different really. Both scenarios had the group trapped, Larry was a threat for obvious reasons and Sarah was a threat for allowing the walkers time to break in.
if she was on her own she would have left her in a heartbeat
That's different from actually having to kill someone while they're unc… moreonscious. And of course she would've left her. Who wouldn't have? If she could leave her own sister to die then she definitely could've left some random girl she knew for less than a day to die as well. Doing so wouldn't make her a bad person or anything, she'd just be ensuring her own survival by separating herself from the weakest link, which is perfectly understandable.
Doing so wouldn't make her a bad person or anything, she'd just be ensuring her own survival by separating herself from the weakest link, wh… moreich is perfectly understandable.
Yes, i don’t blame Jane for wanting to leave her. Sarah was putting everyone in danger, technically Clementine was for trying to force her to move. The meat locker scene and trailer scene isn’t so different really. Both scenarios had the group trapped, Larry was a threat for obvious reasons and Sarah was a threat for allowing the walkers time to break in.
If we're taking the time frame into account, then I'd say no. If this was still only three months in, I got a feeling Jane would have tried to save him. When you take into the consideration the little story she tells Clem about how a group she was with attempted to save some dude that got himself trapped, she strikes me as someone who probably did try to help people in the beginning, tried to do the 'right thing', but the more senseless and pointless deaths she saw, the more bitter she became. And eventually, you end up with the Jane we see in S2, who has probably reached a point where, since every other attempt to save someone that couldn't save themselves has ended in failure for her, she came to the conclusion that some people just can't be saved no matter what you do, and that more people end up dead when they try to help somebody than when they don't. A pessimistic outlook for sure, but quite understandable given all the shit you'd witness in that world. Simply put, it's hard to continue being the good guy when it feels like the world punishes you or somebody else every time you try to be. If doing the bad/questionable stuff is what keeps you and the people around you alive, you might as well just go along with it, right? It's not like there's anyone or anything left to impress by trying to be the morally upstanding survivor. That's how I imagine most people in the world of TWD probably feel.
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Dude, Jane would have dropped that saltlick the second Larry collapsed.
Oh she definitely would have killed Larry.
Kill him no question. Would be the only time her and Kenny agree on something.
She would have killed him but only be a bigger bitch about doing it than Kenny
Of course.
The Trailer Park choice was clearly trying to emulate the Meat Locker.
Jane is a selfish person, not a killer. After she killed the russian guy at the gunfight she even felt really bad about it, and she did show empathy not only once about things in general, but she just didn't like getting into other people's problems herself.
I don't think she would have the balls to drop the salt lick on his head, but she probably would do the same thing as Lee did (optional): Hold Lilly back so Kenny could smash Larry's head.
And yet she had little to no problem with fucking over Jaime, Troy, and Sarah.
About Sarah and Jaime - That was her being selfish, so... What's your point? She literally didn't do anything. As someone that hated the fact of her leaving Sarah to die in both her deaths, you're objectively wrong and nothing will ever change it.
About Troy - He was basically the sidekick of a dictator and there are some theories around that he had forced sex with Jane or something like that in trade of favors considering their lines at his last moments, so... Makes sense that she was 100% disgusted with him?
Just making fun of the somewhat inconsistent "standards" between episodes there.
Nah, that's just you thinking that not wanting to get into people's problems and living for yourself means not having emotions.
No, if anything, it's the unhealthy application and investment of said emotions that bothers me.
Also, fuck criticizing neutrality--these are consciously discarded lives we're talking about here.
Jane wouldnt even have hesitated or Asked Lee for help she d just straight up pick it up and dropped it on him without any explanation, She d deal with the consequences and explain it after the threat had passed.
Well, I didn't say I disagree on it being unhealthy, but it just isn't inconsistent at all. As I said, the fact of Jane leaving Sarah to die in both her deaths pissed me a fuckton back in the days.
What I'm saying is that, like it or not, she had no obligations with those people, if she wanted to save them because she's a good person fine, but not saving them doesn't mean that she's a heartless person or that those deaths were her fault, if anything their deaths were their own faults and that's Jane's character arc in a nutshell.
Yes she is. And the smart choice is not to risk being stuck in a confined space with a 300 lb. zombie. She'd have dropped that salt lick without a second thought. She may have regretted the necessity of it, but she still would've thought it was necessary.
We met Jane two or three years into the apocalypse. The meat locker situation was three months in. Who knows what Jane was like, or would have done, back then?
Heck, maybe even Lilly would have dropped the saltlick on Larry's head with a few years of survival experience under her belt.
Well, she had no problem shooting Troy in the dick and using him as walker food. Now before you say, "Well he's an asshole", that was never in question, but do you honestly think he deserved to go out like that?
Did he rape Jane or something else equally heinous? Not in the final product, he didn't.
Also, we aren't forgetting her whole plan to kill Kenny just so she could have Clementine all to herself right? Hell, she even emulates the stranger in that regard:
"You're going away, and we're starting our new family."
Sarah, that part is true, she was selfish and apathetic towards her, yet would still risk her life twice to try and save her.
As for Jaime, Jane literally had to force her to survive, dragging her across multiple states through multiple years until she no longer had the energy to keep dragging her sister who wanted to die ages ago, is it selfish for Jane not to want to die with her sister? I think not.
As for Troy, he's an aggressive and rude individual who acted as the right hand to an even worse person, Carver. He was more apathetic than Jane or Kenny in the short time we knew him.
How tf did I not see this? Anyway, Ithink she would’ve held the saltlick over his head, ready to drop on him the moment he turned and not a second earlier.
What sort of Jane fan are you?
She would have dropped it long before waiting for him to turn. Anyone with a brain wouldn’t wait till someone turns if they were trapped in a room with limited options
Not unless she knew he had heart problems and saw how he went down back at the pharmacy. If there was a chance he could've bounced back, which there was btw, she would've waited until the exact moment he turned to drop the saltlick, like, while he was pinned on the floor.
You obviously do not understand about reviving heart attack victims do you? No, Larry could not have been saved. Why? Because even if he was revived, Larry would have died anyway without the medicine he needed or hospital care. Do some research sir. The group had neither. They were trapped. Or did you forget that part Dex?
Waiting until the moment he turns is the stupidest thing anyone could do. You think one man could pin Larry to the floor? Do you think Lilly would be in the state of mind to hold him down? It would take Kenny and Lee to pin him down. Who would lift the salt lick? Clementine? Jesus Christ man, assess the scene properly. What if Lee or Lilly began giving mouth to mouth and he turned? Larry would rip their face off. It happened on an episode of Fear The Walking Dead in very similar circumstances.
There is no point trying to defend this. Lee even tells Clem at the end of the game that Larry was going one way or another either way.
Please explain to me where the group would get an ambulance or a defibrillator during the zombie apocalypse while trapped in a meat locker at a cannibal farm
Exactly. And how can the group risk continue giving CPR to someone knowing the high risk that he’ll turn and try to kill you? Someone who revives from a heart attack doesn’t just get up and dust themselves and say “hey i’m good to go guys”! No, Larry would have been very ill and without the medicine, defibrillator or anything hospital related, he would have died anyway. I wish people would use their brains when it comes to common sense as to why Larry needed to be dealt with, as horrible/sad that it was for Lilly.
No, I forgot to do my homework on it
Doesn't mean Jane wouldn't have waited until the moment he turned to kill him though. She could've left Sarah the moment she saw her frozen in the corner but didn't. She would've waited.
No thanks, I have other things I wanna waste my invaluable time on
Hold on, let me think...….
Maybe she would have waited but i highly doubt it. We’ll never know.
As for Sarah, if she was on her own she would have left her in a heartbeat. The reason she didn’t was because of Clem’s insistence
That's different from actually having to kill someone while they're unconscious. And of course she would've left her. Who wouldn't have? If she could leave her own sister to die then she definitely could've left some random girl she knew for less than a day to die as well. Doing so wouldn't make her a bad person or anything, she'd just be ensuring her own survival by separating herself from the weakest link, which is perfectly understandable.
Yes, i don’t blame Jane for wanting to leave her. Sarah was putting everyone in danger, technically Clementine was for trying to force her to move. The meat locker scene and trailer scene isn’t so different really. Both scenarios had the group trapped, Larry was a threat for obvious reasons and Sarah was a threat for allowing the walkers time to break in.
That's obviously what they were trying to emulate.
Pfft. "Threat."
If we're taking the time frame into account, then I'd say no. If this was still only three months in, I got a feeling Jane would have tried to save him. When you take into the consideration the little story she tells Clem about how a group she was with attempted to save some dude that got himself trapped, she strikes me as someone who probably did try to help people in the beginning, tried to do the 'right thing', but the more senseless and pointless deaths she saw, the more bitter she became. And eventually, you end up with the Jane we see in S2, who has probably reached a point where, since every other attempt to save someone that couldn't save themselves has ended in failure for her, she came to the conclusion that some people just can't be saved no matter what you do, and that more people end up dead when they try to help somebody than when they don't. A pessimistic outlook for sure, but quite understandable given all the shit you'd witness in that world. Simply put, it's hard to continue being the good guy when it feels like the world punishes you or somebody else every time you try to be. If doing the bad/questionable stuff is what keeps you and the people around you alive, you might as well just go along with it, right? It's not like there's anyone or anything left to impress by trying to be the morally upstanding survivor. That's how I imagine most people in the world of TWD probably feel.