I was fantasying about a Bigby-Snow White romance (not the kind of Crane-Lily), but then she even tells him "I'm not yours to lose" and in the trailer for Episode 3 she says to Bigby "Handle this or I will." She was calm and reasonable in Episode 1, and I feel like she's not the same Snow White as before.
I was fantasying about a Bigby-Snow White romance (not the kind of Crane-Lily), but then she even tells him "I'm not yours to lose" and in the… more trailer for Episode 3 she says to Bigby "Handle this or I will." She was calm and reasonable in Episode 1, and I feel like she's not the same Snow White as before.
I just saw the trailer for Episode 3. If you catched Woodsman, he'll appear at the Trip Trap and Gren is threatening him. If you catched Dee, he'll find Bigby, holding a shotgun. I bet it took balls to face a werewolf. What does this mean? Will Dee get Bigby as a hostage? And why is Woody being threaten by Gren when they're both friends?
I just saw the trailer for Episode 3. If you catched Woodsman, he'll appear at the Trip Trap and Gren is threatening him. If you catched Dee, … morehe'll find Bigby, holding a shotgun. I bet it took balls to face a werewolf. What does this mean? Will Dee get Bigby as a hostage? And why is Woody being threaten by Gren when they're both friends?
Because if you interrogate the Woodsman, you find out he hired Lily's sister, which in turn might of got her killed. Even though Faith showed up besides her.
I just saw the trailer for Episode 3. If you catched Woodsman, he'll appear at the Trip Trap and Gren is threatening him. If you catched Dee, … morehe'll find Bigby, holding a shotgun. I bet it took balls to face a werewolf. What does this mean? Will Dee get Bigby as a hostage? And why is Woody being threaten by Gren when they're both friends?
That's not important. You will figure it out it's not a big deal. But if you arrest Dee, you can learn the loan shark thing. Actually Their Boss, Crooked Man.
Because if you interrogate the Woodsman, you find out he hired Lily's sister, which in turn might of got her killed. Even though Faith showed up besides her.
Well, I think same. He said "No violence" while I was torturing Dee. He really defended him. So, Dum is not glamoured as Crane. Crane hired Du… morem and Dee for investigation.
But you can see that's not true. Best theory about it is:
Crane bought black market Glamour. The man he bought was a Boss. And he is Crooked Man or someone else. And he is Dum and Dee's boss too.
More trouble judging from people pointing shotguns at us in the preview and seeing Bigby fully turn. I have a bit of a feeling that in the next episode hell is going to break loose.
This is pretty much why I think Bluebeard is the center of all of this or atleast a big part. Although I think he hired someone to kill these girls and to frame Crane so he could get rid of him. He also hired the ginger to watch Bigby's moves during the investigation. The only reason Bluebeard is "helping" with the interragation (in my opinion) is because he wants to encourage Bigby to use violence on Dee/Woodsman which is why he says "hes never gonna talk if you treat him like a fucking prince". This is also why in one of the trailers Toad is looking at the mirror and sees Bigby torturing Dee/Woodsman and asks "is this how you treat your prisoners?". Bluebeard is trying to make Bigby look bad, theres already people who dont like him (Gren) and Colin already mentioned "this is why everyone hates you" people want a little bit of an uprising if you will and Bluebeard is perfect for that. He will make it look like Bigby is up to no good and try to kick him out. Then Bluebeard will have total control. People who supported him will think things will get better when really Bluebeard will just do things the way he wants, this explains him saying "Ofcourse some things will have to change" (something along those lines). He says this in the clip of him sitting in Crane's chair after taking over. If Bluebeard isnt the ringleader of this whole thing then hes most probably a big part of it.
Remember Tj found saw them throw the body into the water. Obviously she wasnt there super long because Im pretty a body bloats after being in water for some time. Maybe they waited for cops to find the head and then decided to throw the body in.
That note at the club, where Lilly thanks Faith for covering her shift, I found that suspicious. She goes back to the Pudding and Pie after he… morer unfortunate encounter with the Woodsman, as her stuff being there proves. I think Lilly asked her to see one of her clients, and that's when she was murdered.
When was Lilly murdered, then? She was reported as missing for days, yet only now she appears dead and glamoured.
Correct me if I am wrong... all we know about the Crooked Man is that he is Dee's boss, and that Faith stole something from him... right? Does he have anything to do with Beauty?
That's not important. You will figure it out it's not a big deal. But if you arrest Dee, you can learn the loan shark thing. Actually Their Boss, Crooked Man.
I agree, that note seems potentially significant. Might be nothing (just wanted to warn her the Woodsman was a mean drunk) but it could be something more.
But I always thought Faith might have been killed at Lawrence's apartment. We know she checked on him from time to time, and from what I recall there was a lot of evidence that suggests someone was killed there AFTER Lawrence shot himself (some of the blood was sticky, whereas Lawrence's blood was dry and over a week old; the bed was raised after the blood had already puddled on the ground) And of course there was a bloody blade found on the ground.
I also think Lily might have been reported missing because she was glamoured, and no one knew it was her...except the Woodsman, who kept it a secret (maybe at her request?) That's why he was so afraid of Holly, Gren et. al finding out, because he knew she was okay and didn't say anything when they thought she was missing.
That note at the club, where Lilly thanks Faith for covering her shift, I found that suspicious. She goes back to the Pudding and Pie after he… morer unfortunate encounter with the Woodsman, as her stuff being there proves. I think Lilly asked her to see one of her clients, and that's when she was murdered.
When was Lilly murdered, then? She was reported as missing for days, yet only now she appears dead and glamoured.
The next episode will have to deal with the Crooked Man as the title is "the Crooked Mile" referring to a new character probably from this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Was_a_Crooked_Man .He is most likely Dee and Dum's boss, as he is a loanshark and they are debt collectors. They would have probably used Shylock of Shakesperian fame,but the racist connotations of this were probably too radical. All the speculation leading up to this makes me think of Blubeard, but I hope they don't completely drop the Boy Who Cried Wolf from the game.
I agree, I think people are being too hard on Snow. Think about what she had just been through - recent events had her highly strung out, finding a decapitated body that looks just like her, and after that walking into the basement with a prisoner strapped to a chair bloodied up (doesn't matter who hit him, the first thing she sees is a guy tied to a chair, and Bigby and Bluebeard at each other's necks). It's a wonder she still hasn't fully snapped and is still being a functional human being. Her being a little snippy and short fused isn't really that unexpected, she's just reacting like a normal person would under these circumstances.
Snow White is not "A bitch", what are you talking about? And if it's about what happened at the start of the episode, then we do know why she's angry. She's angry because someone was being tortured. Being angry about that does not make her a "bitch".
I can't say I 100% am certain that was crane. If the prostitutes are using glamor - why couldn't the killer? If he has a fetish or a desire to be like them then I can see why he would use glamor, hell the person behind it all actually might be the one who created the glamor for Lily in the first place (the deer might be a clue here).
If it was a person who could craft their own glamor or otherwise disguise themselves then I get a feeling that things are going to get a lot more interesting and it would be an easy way to create plot devices in which you can't trust anyone.
I was (at a stage while playing.) was beginning to think Snow was someone/thing in glamor pretending to be the real Snow. She seemed to be acting different from before, like awkward. (obvs seeing a person dead who looks just like you would probably have that effect.) So I have dismissed that theory. Also, whats going on with the Ginger dude from episode one that was spotted being around areas he shouldn't have been? Not a mention or sighting in this episode. (not to my knowledge.) I reckon he still has a big part to play.
I think the Crane plot is very incriminating but I don't think he'd be as stupid to kill someone. I think its more a case of him being infatuated with Snow and someone is trying to frame him.
Did anyone else see the sign on a passing bus during a cut scene which had an advert saying 'who will be next.' ? Nice touch.
I think Crane only ran away with his car because people know his obbsession with Snow White...becuase it doesn't add up..How was Lily murdered after fucking him in that costume(the costume is clean,but ripped)...BUT maybe he ripped the costume and got her dressed up as her casual suit and killed her........Here you go Grammar Nazis come and correct me.
Wrong.He is not a werewolf,nor wolf,nor human.He is Bigby .He was cut with a lycanthropy knife by Snow,so that he could be able to change shape between a wolf and human at will.
I think that the killer didn't know the Lily. He think she was real Snow and killed her. There is no way Glamoured Lily will walk on streets in that Fantasy Costume. She probably change the clothes, and then the murder. She changed dress but someone comed and kill her.
And someone took photo of fantasy, so I think that guy can be killer.
And Faith-Lily murders will be not connected. I mean, may be Crooked Man gived order to kill Faith.
I think that the killer didn't know the Lily. He think she was real Snow and killed her. There is no way Glamoured Lily will walk on streets i… moren that Fantasy Costume. She probably change the clothes, and then the murder. She changed dress but someone comed and kill her.
And someone took photo of fantasy, so I think that guy can be killer.
And Faith-Lily murders will be not connected. I mean, may be Crooked Man gived order to kill Faith.
If memory serves kfitz9 is correct he had the ability to shape shift when he was young but didn't learn to and the incident with Snow was what let him get those abilities back. The North Wind came to the farm to teach his grand kids about their shifting abilities and explained it to Snow.
Wrong.He is not a werewolf,nor wolf,nor human.He is Bigby .He was cut with a lycanthropy knife by Snow,so that he could be able to change shape between a wolf and human at will.
i wonder if grendel is gonna be in the next episode. Also i wonder what the crooked man would look like maybe like the main antagonist of the game of the same name lol
Well, the murderer must be someone that is not in the comics, right?
I think the murderers are conected. The reason I say this is because of the heads on the doorstep of The Woodlands, it is clearly a message, I think the whole thing was really well planned, Faith's and Lily's deaths are not coincidence for me. (maybe Snow was supposed to die)
It is obviously to early to discuss who the murderer is and why he did what he did, there is still a lot for us to see.
What you think what is waiting us next?
More trouble judging from people pointing shotguns at us in the preview and seeing Bigby fully turn. I have a bit of a feeling that in the next episode hell is going to break loose.
Are you sure that it was real crane? I think that killer glamoured himself looking like crane. Episode title says; Smoke & Mirrors, so everything is not what they seems to be
Crane is obviously suspect number 1 now. He'll try to flee and Bigby will pursue him, as per the new Episode 3 title card. It'll transpire tha… moret Crane is only guilty of being a pervert and a stalker, but Bigby will get information about the black market glamour from Crane, and that'll lead him to the Crooked Man.
I don't know how Detective Brannigan will be involved, but the original title card displayed her prominantly, so hopefully she'll still have a role.
I personally think that the ginger guy (cryer) is the killer. In episode 1 he was following bigby and snow everywhere. I think that he toke those two pictures of snow and bigby. I also think that he toke the third one too. I think that cryer glamoured himself looking like crane. Also Episode 5 title says "cry wolf",so cryer+cry wolf = the Boy who cried wolf is the killer?
Flaws in your info: The people who dumped the body did not see the toad, nor were they laughing, nor is it confirmed that it was more then one person. All that toad child says with the last 4 questions are "I don't know! sobsob"
The 2nd item in her pocket was the black market glam deer case.
Crane clearly had sex with Lily and most likely was in that pic. I say this because when you are looking at the dead troll body, he even rambles to one of your questions with "It was probably with another troll cough coughawkward silence"
Side note: What kind of cig was in the room? A huff and puff? Who do we know to smoke huff and puffs.... think... Bigby.... didn't he share a smoke with someone? I think that son of a pig is the killer! The one that was crashing at Bigby's place.
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I was fantasying about a Bigby-Snow White romance (not the kind of Crane-Lily), but then she even tells him "I'm not yours to lose" and in the trailer for Episode 3 she says to Bigby "Handle this or I will." She was calm and reasonable in Episode 1, and I feel like she's not the same Snow White as before.
He is seen seating in Ichabod's desk in the preview. I think Bluebeard has been trying since Day 1 get control of Fabletown.
She's being hardened by the harsh realities of Fabletown. Being fashioned into the Snow from Fables issue #1.
I just saw the trailer for Episode 3. If you catched Woodsman, he'll appear at the Trip Trap and Gren is threatening him. If you catched Dee, he'll find Bigby, holding a shotgun. I bet it took balls to face a werewolf. What does this mean? Will Dee get Bigby as a hostage? And why is Woody being threaten by Gren when they're both friends?
I hope we can kill Dee in this episode.
Ah yup, tru dat!
Because if you interrogate the Woodsman, you find out he hired Lily's sister, which in turn might of got her killed. Even though Faith showed up besides her.
That's not important. You will figure it out it's not a big deal. But if you arrest Dee, you can learn the loan shark thing. Actually Their Boss, Crooked Man.
Um... what?
More trouble judging from people pointing shotguns at us in the preview and seeing Bigby fully turn. I have a bit of a feeling that in the next episode hell is going to break loose.
This is pretty much why I think Bluebeard is the center of all of this or atleast a big part. Although I think he hired someone to kill these girls and to frame Crane so he could get rid of him. He also hired the ginger to watch Bigby's moves during the investigation. The only reason Bluebeard is "helping" with the interragation (in my opinion) is because he wants to encourage Bigby to use violence on Dee/Woodsman which is why he says "hes never gonna talk if you treat him like a fucking prince". This is also why in one of the trailers Toad is looking at the mirror and sees Bigby torturing Dee/Woodsman and asks "is this how you treat your prisoners?". Bluebeard is trying to make Bigby look bad, theres already people who dont like him (Gren) and Colin already mentioned "this is why everyone hates you" people want a little bit of an uprising if you will and Bluebeard is perfect for that. He will make it look like Bigby is up to no good and try to kick him out. Then Bluebeard will have total control. People who supported him will think things will get better when really Bluebeard will just do things the way he wants, this explains him saying "Ofcourse some things will have to change" (something along those lines). He says this in the clip of him sitting in Crane's chair after taking over. If Bluebeard isnt the ringleader of this whole thing then hes most probably a big part of it.
Remember Tj found saw them throw the body into the water. Obviously she wasnt there super long because Im pretty a body bloats after being in water for some time. Maybe they waited for cops to find the head and then decided to throw the body in.
Correct me if I am wrong... all we know about the Crooked Man is that he is Dee's boss, and that Faith stole something from him... right? Does he have anything to do with Beauty?
What about the fact there was no blood on the dress?
I agree, that note seems potentially significant. Might be nothing (just wanted to warn her the Woodsman was a mean drunk) but it could be something more.
But I always thought Faith might have been killed at Lawrence's apartment. We know she checked on him from time to time, and from what I recall there was a lot of evidence that suggests someone was killed there AFTER Lawrence shot himself (some of the blood was sticky, whereas Lawrence's blood was dry and over a week old; the bed was raised after the blood had already puddled on the ground) And of course there was a bloody blade found on the ground.
I also think Lily might have been reported missing because she was glamoured, and no one knew it was her...except the Woodsman, who kept it a secret (maybe at her request?) That's why he was so afraid of Holly, Gren et. al finding out, because he knew she was okay and didn't say anything when they thought she was missing.
Beauty took money from him.
The next episode will have to deal with the Crooked Man as the title is "the Crooked Mile" referring to a new character probably from this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Was_a_Crooked_Man .He is most likely Dee and Dum's boss, as he is a loanshark and they are debt collectors. They would have probably used Shylock of Shakesperian fame,but the racist connotations of this were probably too radical. All the speculation leading up to this makes me think of Blubeard, but I hope they don't completely drop the Boy Who Cried Wolf from the game.
I agree, I think people are being too hard on Snow. Think about what she had just been through - recent events had her highly strung out, finding a decapitated body that looks just like her, and after that walking into the basement with a prisoner strapped to a chair bloodied up (doesn't matter who hit him, the first thing she sees is a guy tied to a chair, and Bigby and Bluebeard at each other's necks). It's a wonder she still hasn't fully snapped and is still being a functional human being. Her being a little snippy and short fused isn't really that unexpected, she's just reacting like a normal person would under these circumstances.
I can't say I 100% am certain that was crane. If the prostitutes are using glamor - why couldn't the killer? If he has a fetish or a desire to be like them then I can see why he would use glamor, hell the person behind it all actually might be the one who created the glamor for Lily in the first place (the deer might be a clue here).
If it was a person who could craft their own glamor or otherwise disguise themselves then I get a feeling that things are going to get a lot more interesting and it would be an easy way to create plot devices in which you can't trust anyone.
The most incriminating selfie EVER!
Or hes working for Crane.
I was (at a stage while playing.) was beginning to think Snow was someone/thing in glamor pretending to be the real Snow. She seemed to be acting different from before, like awkward. (obvs seeing a person dead who looks just like you would probably have that effect.) So I have dismissed that theory. Also, whats going on with the Ginger dude from episode one that was spotted being around areas he shouldn't have been? Not a mention or sighting in this episode. (not to my knowledge.) I reckon he still has a big part to play.
I think the Crane plot is very incriminating but I don't think he'd be as stupid to kill someone. I think its more a case of him being infatuated with Snow and someone is trying to frame him.
Did anyone else see the sign on a passing bus during a cut scene which had an advert saying 'who will be next.' ? Nice touch.
=D
Wrong, he is a shapeshifter, but refused to turn into anything but a wolf. His mother was a wolf and he has daddy issues!
I think Crane only ran away with his car because people know his obbsession with Snow White...becuase it doesn't add up..How was Lily murdered after fucking him in that costume(the costume is clean,but ripped)...BUT maybe he ripped the costume and got her dressed up as her casual suit and killed her........Here you go Grammar Nazis come and correct me.
Wrong.He is not a werewolf,nor wolf,nor human.He is Bigby
.He was cut with a lycanthropy knife by Snow,so that he could be able to change shape between a wolf and human at will.
I think that the killer didn't know the Lily. He think she was real Snow and killed her. There is no way Glamoured Lily will walk on streets in that Fantasy Costume. She probably change the clothes, and then the murder. She changed dress but someone comed and kill her.
And someone took photo of fantasy, so I think that guy can be killer.
And Faith-Lily murders will be not connected. I mean, may be Crooked Man gived order to kill Faith.
So Crane only ran away because people knew his obssession or he was set up and ran away scared
If memory serves kfitz9 is correct he had the ability to shape shift when he was young but didn't learn to and the incident with Snow was what let him get those abilities back. The North Wind came to the farm to teach his grand kids about their shifting abilities and explained it to Snow.
"Belly full of stones"
What you think? May be the scene with Bigby and Dee, or Woody.
i wonder if grendel is gonna be in the next episode. Also i wonder what the crooked man would look like maybe like the main antagonist of the game of the same name lol
Well, the murderer must be someone that is not in the comics, right?
I think the murderers are conected. The reason I say this is because of the heads on the doorstep of The Woodlands, it is clearly a message, I think the whole thing was really well planned, Faith's and Lily's deaths are not coincidence for me. (maybe Snow was supposed to die)
It is obviously to early to discuss who the murderer is and why he did what he did, there is still a lot for us to see.
If you kill Dee, I'm sure the Business Office will get a bad image. I just hope Dee doesn't shoot the Big Bad Wolf.
Well, I've learned that in a Telltale game, the Episode 3 fucks you over. Let's look at The Walking Dead.
But he is Lee!
I wonder if any episode 3 models are in the files
Are you sure that it was real crane? I think that killer glamoured himself looking like crane. Episode title says; Smoke & Mirrors, so everything is not what they seems to be
I personally think that the ginger guy (cryer) is the killer. In episode 1 he was following bigby and snow everywhere. I think that he toke those two pictures of snow and bigby. I also think that he toke the third one too. I think that cryer glamoured himself looking like crane. Also Episode 5 title says "cry wolf",so cryer+cry wolf = the Boy who cried wolf is the killer?
Flaws in your info: The people who dumped the body did not see the toad, nor were they laughing, nor is it confirmed that it was more then one person. All that toad child says with the last 4 questions are "I don't know! sob sob"
The 2nd item in her pocket was the black market glam deer case.
Crane clearly had sex with Lily and most likely was in that pic. I say this because when you are looking at the dead troll body, he even rambles to one of your questions with "It was probably with another troll cough cough awkward silence"
Side note: What kind of cig was in the room? A huff and puff? Who do we know to smoke huff and puffs.... think... Bigby.... didn't he share a smoke with someone? I think that son of a pig is the killer! The one that was crashing at Bigby's place.